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Fee-paying schools have extra €81.3m for teachers and facilities

An examination of Ireland’s 55 so-called private secondary schools has thrown up some interesting figures.

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IRELAND’S 55 fee-paying, State-aided secondary schools have an additional €81.3 million available to them to spend on extra teachers, facilities and extracurricular activities, a new report has shown.

The Department of Education analysed the income of fee-paying schools across the country to better inform policy decisions about the nature and extent of exchequer funding provided to such institutions.

The research found that the discretionary income works out at an average of €1.48 million for each of the schools, approximately €3,177 per student. However, there are discrepancies depending on fee charged and enrolment numbers with actual discretionary income ranging from €112,000 for one relatively small school to €4.7 million for a large school.

The figures were arrived at after allowance is made for discounts on fees, unpaid fees, capital loan repayments and the estimate of foregone recurrent grants, including teacher salaries.

Fees charged by the 55 schools ranged from €2,550 to €10,065.

The Department said the funding allows for the private recruitment of additional subject teachers and extra ancillary staff or investment in capital improvements and extracurricular activities. The State pays teachers in both fee-paying and non-fee-paying institutions. The extra staff are used in fee-paying institutions to provide extra subjects or reduce the teacher-pupil ratio.

Last year there were 25,589 students in fee-charging schools. That is 7.1 per cent of total enrolment in Ireland. On the other side, there were 333,458 enrolled in the ‘Free Scheme’. Of those schools, 21 continue to provide a boarding option.

Some interesting figures from the report:

  • The nine schools that charge in excess of €6,000 per annum have on average €2.2 million in discretionary income ranging from €1.08 million to €4.7 million.
  • There are seven schools charging a fee between €2500 and €3000. These have an average discretionary income of €696,000.
  • The number of schools permitted to charge fees represents 7.6 per cent of the 723 post primary level schools.

The analysis looked at a scenario where the State could cease its funding for fee-paying schools. In such a development, schools would likely have to replace publicly-funded teachers with teachers employed with the discretionary income. This would reduce the funds available to the schools for other purposes by about €20 million, leaving them with €61.7 million.

On the issue of Protestant fee-paying schools, the report examined the financial impact on such institutions but said it did not provide evidence that the group should be exempted from any measure being applied.

Some recent contributions have called for special consideration for 20 Protestant schools.

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Comments (19 Comments)

  • Lets get one thing straight. The state does not fund private schools. It pays teachers in all schools to educate all children. All curriculum based teachers are public servants and it does not matter if the school they are in is public, private, religious or nondenominational, the state should pay their wages so as each child in the country gets a free education. That’s a social principle this country should not give up. We live in a country in which each child is entitled to a free education. It does not matter if that child is black, white, rich, poor, religious, agnostic, atheist………they are entitled to a free education provided for by the state.

    Now for those who can afford it, because they earn it, they should be allowed to then further pay on top of that as they see fit for their kid’s education. Some people get grinds for their kids. Some send there kids to Irish schools during the summer. Some send their kids to other countries on exchanges so as they can learn a foreign language better and some others send their kids to schools in which you pay to get added value. You get better facilities; a larger range of educational programs; more after school actives; more choice of sports to do etc etc………They pay for these extra add-ons through their money which they earn and pay tax on. Many families make a lot of sacrifices to ensure their kids have this opportunity.

    To force private schools to pay for their own teachers will result in swades more kids going to state funded schools, costing the state more. Some private schools will close or become public schools, costing the state more. What would be left is a public school system costing the state more and the emergence of the mega private school in which only the very richest in the country will go, as it will cost at least €15000-20000 a year to send a kid. Then we really will have top heavy elitism in this country.

    Let me pose another question. Each kid in the country is entitled to a free pre-school place at the age of 3-4. If someone is sending their child to a creche already should they have to pay for their preschool place? Should people who earn and save their money, pay their taxes get nothing at all back from the state?

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    • Well said Tom. My sentiments exactly. The lazy perception is that all kids who go to private schools are privileged snobs and that’s just not the case. Parents pay tax and that goes to pay for the teachers in every school as you say. If some parents make the decision to spend part of their after tax income on sending their children to a school with extra facilities then why should they be punished. I think its laudable that they would spend this on their childrens education rather than other things.

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  • How much to so called free schools collect in request from patents for ancillary items, such as photocopying? Most schools outside of poor areas as for “voluntary” contributions, as far as I know.

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  • “Fee-paying schools have extra €81.3m for teachers and facilities”

    Yeah, that’s because they’re fee-paying. The parents pay this money for exactly that reason. DUH!

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    • The state pays for the teachers not the school DUH!. Why should the state subsidise this?

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    • I know that, Christopher, DUH! But the parents pay for the “EXTRA”.

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    • Christopher, the cinsistutuion entitles ever person in the state to an eductaion, they get no more than any other student in the system.
      the Parents choose to increase the money givign to the school so that they may have smaller class sizes or extra facilities. some paretns choose to buy nicer cars, soem parents choose to go on holidays.

      Why shouldn’t the state subsidise these kids that go to semi private schools less than those that go to state schools?

      Private schools actualy get less funding and it would cost the state more if there was no private schools

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    • Exactly my point, Brian – but I was a smartarse about it, assuming others posters weren’t so thick as to need it explained in detail.

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  • In other words, fee paying schools are saving the exchequer €81.3m a year to provide their current level of service.

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    • They are saving the state €20 million a year and therefore are profiting to the tune of €60 million a year. They don’t need state money clearly.

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    • and huge sections of society milk the best education while the myth or free education and opportunities is propagated by the state. Absolutely disgraceful that the state should subsidise your decision to get PRIVATE education. its like a want to buy a house and the state buys the plot and I build the house and I have the neck to say I built the house. Withdraw unfair state funding from your little cosy arrangement that promotes children from wealthy families and gives then a totally unfair advantage over other children who are just as entitled to a proper education as you are but are not accommodated in private schools.

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    • Christopher,

      your analogy is wrong, its more liek water charges, you’ll get a small aloowance, if you choose to increase this then you pay.

      The education is no private its semi private, the school must follow the national cirriculum.

      take the chip of your shoulder.

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  • Ciara 05/03/13 #

    As an alumnus of one such school, they’re run to a tight order. Teachers are paid on how many classes a week they teach, not because they’ve been teaching for x amount of years. The government could learn a lot about utilising teachers to their full potential from these schools.

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    • Nonsense Ciara. Private school teachers, bar the grind schools, are paid by the state. That’s why they get to keep the few money and why they have that extra money to spend. They should either pay teachers from fees or go public. It would not cost the state that much more.

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    • Alan,

      soem of the teachers are paid by the state, the school use the fees to emply other teachers directly so that class sizes may be smaller.

      the private school are also responsible for there own building unlike state schools who get allowances for maintenance heating etc.

      thats whay its cheaper for the state to have semi private schools.

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    • So Alan – what you’re saying is that if people want to pay money to what is a SEMI private school (no such thing as a private school in Ireland) their kids should be denied the rights of ever other kid in the country?

      And instead of costing the taxpayer what it does now, you’re suggesting that it should cost the taxpayer more in order to homogenise the system and not offer that choice?

      There is no scandal here – or at least, the scandal is not what it’s being presented as.
      The real scandal is the fees that are being charged in order for fee-paying schools to have amassed such monies.

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  • Nothing like a private education, small class sizes, great facilities.

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  • free education, where when, no such thing in Ireland

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  • Wow shocker not!

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