And btw time for Fergus O’Dowd to check his dictionary. At last we have a decent opposition in the Dáil. Sinn Féin, along with ULA are proving to be the best opposition we’ve had ever. They are really holding this inept government to account, and are the only ones speaking up for the people of Ireland.

You missed the football so Was a great match.

Ye must have robbed the luck of the Irish as well mcbab because god knows we don’t have any. Felt really sorry for Ukraine having their goal disallowed. I hate to see injustice. Our pics might look alike mcbab but we are total opposites.

Off topic, but Ukraine were offside in the buildup to the “goal” so despite both the assistant and the guy on the line getting calls wrong it ended up with the right result. Back on topic, the lack of government tds during the debate shows their contempt for the electorate. The parties were elected on a mandate of no property tax yet once elected changed all that in the programme for government for which they have NO mandate. They should’ve put that programme before the people if they wanted to implement it. Typical lying politicians only interested in looking after their own bank accounts. FG/Lab are now the equals of FF when it comes to corruption and lies.

Ah Richard. You can’t interfere when I’m winning against mcbab, but back to topic. Are you sure he was offside? Not everybody understands the offside rule you know. Was he actually interfering with play? Was the part of the body that was offside capable of scoring a goal? If it was just the hand then that’s not deemed capable of scoring so the offside rule would not apply. In matters of football all these things must be considered. But I’m glad you agree that the household charge is unjust so we’ll say no more about it. :-P

Think they are all just rabbiting nonsense to pass the time in the dail .u couldn’t take one of them seriously as they don’t take one blind bit of notice to us . enda then goes into hiding or is put into hiding if any so called serious debating goes on and if he speaks it’s in sound bites.and Joan button speaks to carers with her sun glasses on .(hiding too)

Cheers Damian

They understand alright they just don’t care.I know my wife are struggling to pay the bills we have there’s no way i find an extra €500 to a €1000 for the proposed property tax.I may as well give up work and seek social housing.

Ffs !

what has connolly to do with this cal???
i thought adams,mcguinness and their cronies had given up eliminating the opposition

Class traitors, pure and simple…

Oh Madeline, missed you… hadn’t seen you since SF was last mentioned in a headline … welcome back … now lets wait for the usual ‘I hate SF’ comment thread :D

Cal, the reason you only see me in threads about sf/ira is that they’re the only threads you post in. I was tempted to call you out on your “random post about hating the government in a totally inappropriate thread” but other people did so i didn’t bother. Still you haven’t mentioned dublin/monaghan for about a week so i’ll keep an eye out for that. Should be due soon.

Cal I agree with you and as the next party to be in government as a coalition partner , I just hope SF will not go the same way … but like I said I support the Bill. but for SF to say that they campaigned against the HHC is stretching the truth somewhat…..

Ignoreland will defend this lot no matter what they do. Good old blind loyalty .

SF/IRA lol

a regular Ian Paisley we have here. Do one.

Obviously a woman who has failed to move with the times

The word “liar” is highly offensive but when coupled with the word “traitor” either smacks of the schoolyard with one kid shouting abuse at another or someone who probably did not really go very far in school and latched on to a virulent left wing movement that are currently in rehab!

Richard its only the truth

Cal. James Connelly has been dead for years and times have changed dramatically since then. The labour party has moved with the times thank goodness.

Labour will be moving off the page the same way the Greens have done…. Along with ff / fg if people have any sense.

Connolly’s words have proven prophetic with regards the “Labour” party

I suppose “moving with the times” entails selling out your support base and abandoning your values

@ mcgrath..oh no the truth often huts

@ kerron…o you think there is no connection between sf an the ira? how many serving sf tds have been imprisoned for ira membership? maybe you shold educate yourself

In my book it’s an honourable thing to be a member or ex-member of a guerilla army that fights for your country’s freedom

Better than snivelling Blueshirt West-Brits who are only too happy to hand our sovereignty away to the Troika

Up the RA!

Check out “The Shock Doctrine” by Naomi Klein. Thatcher’s Britain, here we come!

*repeal
*alternatives

EXACTLY the first thing to go through my head when I read the story. A member of fine gael telling anybody to be accountable as a political party after lying their way to power and using their lack of accountability to threaten and bully our people is beyond contemptible.

How about your leader actually answers a question he’s asked in the dail instead of twisting and squirming around the issues lie the coward he is, Mr. O’Dowd??

Why did Sinn Féin and the United Left Alliance encourage people to break the law BEFORE they moved this Bill, i.e. before they exhausted the democratic channels?
As for Labour and FG election promises:
Both Lab and FG agreed with the terms set by the EU/IMF that Ireland has to reduce its deficit.
Labour: Said they’d do it with a 1:1 ratio between spending cuts and TAX INCREASES.
FG: Said they’d do it with a 3:1 ration between spending cuts and TAX INCREASES.
Budget 2012 gave us a ratio of 2:1 Spending cuts and TAX INCREASES.

They have a mandate from the people to do exactly what they’re doing now, and in a democracy you have to respect that, even if you don’t agree with it.

Actually Ignoreland, Pearse Doherty was constantly on the air during the campaign telling people that he would not ‘encourage’ people not to pay and that they would have to decide for themselves whether or not to do so.

You know this, right?

Sorry Too True Left but here’s a copy of a resolution passed at the Sinn Féin Ard Fheis, taken straight from their website: http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/23355
“This Ard Fheis calls on the Sinn Féin leadership to advise members of the public not to pay the Household Charge.”

Fergus O’Dowd should remember he is meant to be an Irishman and not a tool of outside interests. Ignoreland people voted FF out they did not give a mandate to FG/LAB to destroy Ireland to ensure foreign banks got their money back. Just like Kenny claiming that the yes vote on the fiscal treaty was a mandate for his policies another lie. God help Ireland we have a fool in charge worried about wandering about with a defaulter stamped on his forehead.

Sinn Fein Never told people not to pay the hhc . The whole lot have them sf TD’s and councillors have splinters on their A’s from sitting on the fence . Don’t get me wrong I am glad SF are bringing this Bill to the dail , but it is not done so for the greater good of the ordinary person or home owner . It is for the greater good of SF …. They will be building up for the next election . How ever I will be at the protest at the Dail tomorrow evening to support the Bill.

@ignoreland, funny the way you government supporters shout and accuse Sinn Fein and the left alliance about breaking the law, but none of you responded to the many people on here last week demanding an explanation as to why Fine Gael broke the law when they defrauded the tax payer of hundreds of thousands by paying their staff under the table for 9 years. You right wingers lies and half truths make my stomach churn.

Amen to that

where does 1000 euro come from?

Can you spell naive Madeline?

The dogs in the street know that once you register they’ll raise the Home Tax in a year or two. Add that to the Water Tax which they’ll have you for once you’ve registered and you’re looking at about 1,400 euro in some cases, and 1,000+ in many cases

The Fine Gaelers admitted as much themselves a couple months back. I’m sure you’ll have no problem finding the evidence with a simple search…

Madeline this figure has been put out by Tasc/Ersi google it if you like might clarify things for you.

thank you Norman.

Kerron don’t forget the septic tanks costs as well.

Cabal………I thought we had lost that word from The English language……..please modernise your communications so we don’t confuse you with old fashioned REDS? Lol.

Simon, you keep telling Madeline that she hasnt a clue yet you have nothing informative to add. Grow up.

I think the numbers of thumbs down she has received prove she hasn’t a clue. Don’t jump on her band wagon and my advice to you is to go back to sleep

Ah to be honest I doubt an election would be of any benefit. Anybody with a bit of sense knew what FG were about before the previous election, I find it hard to believe that people who fell for it the first time won’t fall for it again.

Looking forward to helping you move forward with the party Martin

Thanks for the info – very helpful because I was doing a survey…

Catherine
I hear you . It is an utter joke to tax the good decent people of this country in order to get the wealthy bankers and poloiticians off the hook > We did not cause this .We did not cause it. I am not paying.

Yeah because its nothing got to do with the fact vast numbers in our country are finding hard to survive and have no more to give.Why would we expect any of the TDs we voted for to actually be our voice,huh?

And also with luxury that they won’t ever have to actually try and implement any of their policies or deal with the inconvenient practilaties of governance.
I’ve no doubt that in decade or so (maybe sooner) SF will be in power but watch how far to the centre they’ll have moved by then.

It is the nature of the opposition to oppose. Just because FG was asleep at the wheel during the “boom years” that created our current crisis does not mean the opposition are actually supposed to keep quiet and support all government policies.