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Labour councillor demands internal investigation into Senator’s Savita case comments

Clontarf councillor Jane Horgan-Jones has called for an internal investigation into comments made by John Whelan.

John Whelan said not allow Ivana Bacik to speak on his behalf or to be
John Whelan said not allow Ivana Bacik to speak on his behalf or to be "branded as pro-abortion".
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Updated Friday, 16 November, 16.01

A LABOUR COUNCILLOR has called for a full internal party investigation into comments made by a party member in relation to the death of Savita Halappanavar.

Jane Horgan-Jones, who represents Clontarf on Dublin City Council, is seeking an investigation into the comments of John Whelan who last night criticised the party’s Seanad leader, Ivana Bacik, for her comments on Savita’s death.

Bacik had called for legislation to allow abortion under the circumstances of the Supreme Court ruling in the X Case in 1992 – prompting furious comments from Whelan.

The Portlaoise-based Senator, who joined the party shortly before last year’s general election, told TV3 he resented “the attempts by people to exploit tragedies like this for their own political purposes, and their own political agenda, on both sides of the argument as if the only two kinds of people in this country are so-called pro-life or so called pro-choice”.

“I’m pro-life, I’m pro-woman, I’m pro-women’s health but I will not be characterised or branded as pro-abortion,” he said, “and I certainly will not have Ivana Bacik or anyone else speaking on my behalf in this regard, in this fashion, and she’s certainly not representing the Labour Party.”

Whelan had spoken in the Seanad earlier regarding the death of Savita Halappanavar, and there described the situation that had arisen as a result of the case as being of “a very complex and delicate nature”. (See full transcript below).

Horgan-Jones this afternoon said she would be using the party’s internal complaints mechanism to formally complain about Whelan’s comments, which she claimed went against the party’s own policy.

“Senator Bacik is the leader of the Labour Party in the Seanad and, let me assure you, when she calls for legislation for X she does speak for the Party and with far more authority on the topic than you have,” she wrote in a letter to Whelan.

While acknowledging that Labour was in a coalition government and could not enforce all of its own policies, Labour policy had “been clear for some time and that is that legislation for X is the only way forward”.

“I feel that Senator Whelan should reconsider making statements that deviate from stated party policy in future, or perhaps seek to realign his party allegiance before the next Seanad election,” Horgan-Jones said, calling on Labour TDs and Senators to “discharge the heavy responsibility” they had to “fix this mess immediately”.

Update: John Whelan contacted TheJournal.ie on Friday to say: “I at no stage in the Senate or in the TV3 interview opposed the Government policy of addressing as appropriate the legal limbo and lack of legal clarity which currently arises subsequent to the supreme Court X case ruling of 20 years ago. I will of course be supporting such measures when the Minister for Health comes forward with proposals agreed by Cabinet in the near future.”

He spoke in the Seanad on Thursday in relation to the death of Savita Halappanavar.

This is the transcript of what he said in the chamber:

I am nervous and reluctant, because I agree with sentiments expressed earlier, to speak about the complex and delicate nature of the case that has arisen in Galway and the implications of that. I commend Senator Heffernan on the sensible and sensitive tone he set calling for a more compassionate and reasoned discourse on these issues and I also commend Senator Reilly.
This was a terrible tragedy and it will be compounded if people try to exploit it to pursue their own selfish political agendas. I sometimes despair coming to the House for the Order of Business because it seems some Members have nothing else on their mind only abortion and nothing would suit them better – and they are on both sides of the House – to push this issue towards another divisive referendum. That would be appalling.

(An Cathaoirleach: We are not discussing this issue today. Has the Senator a question for the Leader?)

My heart goes out the poor family in Galway and to the obstetricians, gynaecologists and midwives who have to make life or death decisions in a matter of seconds in stressful circumstances. It is important we take seriously our responsibilities as legislators. It is clear the medical profession requires legal clarity on this complex issue, for which one would have to have the wisdom of Solomon to divine. It is important the Minister for Health discloses at the earliest opportunity the recommendations of the expert group in order that, as legislators, we can take our responsibilities to ensure no mother dies in child birth in these circumstances ever again.

You can see his full speech here:



via IrishLabourParty/Youtube

Read: Gilmore: We need to bring legal clarity to abortion issue

More: Savita tragedy continues to attract international attention

Poll: Should Ireland legislate on the X Case ruling?

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Comments (49 Comments)

  • I don’t think they intended to have an abortion Amy. In fact,I think I’m right in saying that they intended to have a child!

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  • Paul 15/11/12 #

    It wil take another 20 years before this gov or any gov to do anything by the way they go on. I think this should go to the people and let us make our minds.

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  • John Whelan is NOT based in Tullamore but in Timahoe which is in the next county – Laois.

    He is what is politely called “volatile”.

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  • A woman has lost her life when she shouldn’t have,but what have we on here only at least 2 FG supportors trying to score points off Labour.Incase no one told ye two idiots FG is in government with Labour,both parties are guilty.

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  • Unelected Labour Councillor attacks unelected Labour Senator over comments by an unelected Labour Senator

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    • Quite incredible, isn’t it? A nice little earner too. Nice work if you can get it.

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    • Although not a particular fan of Ivana, saying she is unelected is an affront to the 2,982 people that gave her a FPV, leading to her election on the Dublin University panel of the Seanad. John Whelan also got 66,000 votes (equivalent scale) leading to his election on the Labour Panel.

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    • @David curious where is FG in all this,they have been in government in the last 20 years i take it.FG has failed this unfortunate woman as much as Labour and FF has in their failure to legislate.

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    • We haven’t been in government since 1997, now we’ve commissioned the expert group and I’m very hopeful we’ll get legislation out of it, although a free vote should be provided for some of our TDs.

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    • @David the ruling in the X case was in the last 20 years,FG/Lab were in government together in that time .Also they have been in power for the last 18 months.Were any FG tds part of the 111 who voted down the proposed legislation on abortion brought forward by Clair Daly and the ULA.?

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    • Clare Daly’s bill was voted down over concerns over its wording and because we had yet to hear from the expert group. Why should we commission a group to examine the issue but then ignore their findings? It’d be a massive waste of money.

      I’m absolutely in favour of legislative change on the X-case and the Trinity branch of YFG is debating the issue next Monday with a view to passing a motion calling for legislation. Even Simon Harris, a pro-life TD of ours has expressed a need to do whatever it takes to prevent another death.

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    • David, parties in government commission reports and then ignore them all the time

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  • Why are everybody going on about abortion when the simple fact is that this woman pleaded for her life and she was not listened to. My opinion is that the people responsible for her death are covering for themselves for allowing her to die. Stop talking about abortion it has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

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  • Why are we answering this troll called Abi. I’ve reported her.

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  • In 2012 the daughters of Eve are still paying for the “sin” of being born a woman!
    Wouldn’t it be super if everything was as black and white as our god bothering friends seem to believe it is?
    Why, I wonder, didn’t this god just leave us in the Garden of Eden?
    Why did he put that pesky tree in there when he knew what was going to happen? Or didn’t he… and if he didn’t, then he’s not all he’s cracked up to be?
    Why did he give us reason, free will and enquiring minds and then forbid us to use them? Why indeed!
    If these people really study their bible, they’ll realise that there is not much in the way of atrocities that their god doesn’t condone, if the circumstances call for it… including the killing of children.
    Nothing in this world is “Black and White”, everything is a varying shade of grey and the sooner some people wise up and realise this, the better off we’ll all be.
    Regardless of what I, as a man, feel about abortion, what right have I to dictate to another human being what they can or cannot do with their own bodies?
    The last thing a woman, in the awful position of having to even considering such an option, needs, is some condescending bastard judging her… and God knows, we have more than our fair share of them in this country!
    This poor excuse for a government, like so many before them, needs to do what they are employed to do, and that is to legislate for the world we live in, and not the Eden that we left a long time ago! If any of our so called legislators had done their job, then this poor woman wouldn’t have died in agony, pleading for her life!
    The Labour Party’s internal squabbling on this issue, should be treated with the contempt it deserves.
    Any so called left wing, socialist party that has stood over the decimation of the livelihoods of the poorest sections of society, as this shower has done, has forfeited any right to speak for anyone and deserves the oblivion to which it hopefully is heading.

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  • Whelan and Bacik were both rejected by the electorate: they’re a pair of walking, talking adverts for Seanad abolition.

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    • Spot on. Unwanted “politicians” who got themselves handy, unelected numbers in politics despite the nation of Ireland saying they weren’t wanted time and time again.

      The Seanad is a stain on the country.

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  • Take religion out of politics and then make an informed decision.

    We think of ourselves as a more advanced society in regards to the “lesser” third world nations and less barbaric than the Islamic nations… Biggest myth I’ve ears in a while.

    Allowing that helpless woman to die in those circumstances because we are a(n) (outdated) catholic country is a joke!

    Until politics is free of the shackles of religion I will laugh every time I hear the media spout about atrocities in the third world.

    As that book says let he without sin cast the first stone. Good look casting a stone…

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  • Whelan was headhunted by Labour HQ to run in Laois/Offaly so the suggestion he only joined the party before the election is quite frankly, complete bollox. If you watch the interview, Whelan was cut off half way through his final sentence in an edited voxpop designed to be divisive. He never mentioned the word “policy” at all in the interview. He said passionately that he was pro-choice, pro-women’s health but would not be branded pro-abortion. What’s wrong with that? That’s his right, he should not be vilified for this.

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  • Ciara 15/11/12 #

    Good on Jane Horgan-Jones, and Ivanna Bacik. Ireland needs more female representatives to stand up for our rights.

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    • @Ciara

      Maybe their Labour party colleagues in the Dail who actually had a chance to vote on legislation implementing X 6 months ago but all voted against it could follow their example? Or more likely Horgan-Jones and Bacik would have followed the party whip in voting it down too. This is more empty verbiage from the Labour party, which has done absolutely nothing for women’s rights to choose in the last 20 years and is now desperately trying to cover its tracks with this trivial PR bullshit.

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  • The right hand hasn’t a clue what the left one is doing. But sure as long as the party isn’t running the country …….

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  • A councillor, trying to shine before the axe falls!

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  • Christ, more Labour trying to score points off this poor woman’s death.

    Bin the Seanad after this term and we’ll be rid of the horrendous popularity mongerers there and in the Dail as Labour are sent to sit with The Greens

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  • Bacik has been rejected by the people twice as far as i can rember and she still gets a platform to push her agenda. Bin the senate and Bacik as soon as possible.

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  • Spot on Jane!!

    In response to the slurs i.e. ‘unelected councillor’ against how she got elected; I totally respect the platform she has been given and admire how she has used her representational voice to stand up for the rights of others in Ireland and in this case, for the right to life of a mother.

    Shame on those of you who are using cheap shots at Jane and Ivanna; completely without foundation; total lies.
    And *hopefully* Labour in Government will act on this case. How many more mothers have to die for the Govt to legislate for X?

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  • Nothing wrong with what the guy said. He clarified his personal position vis-a-vis Bacik’s statement. No case to answer.

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  • Well with leaders like Pat Rabbitte and Eamon Gilmore we all knew freedom of speech was non-existent in Labour

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  • Bacik has made it clear that she won’t stop until abortion on demand is legalised in Ireland, I’m glad someone in the Labour party had the courage to tell her where to get off.

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  • As we fall over each other with accusations of trolling we might want to hear what a real expert on the subject has to say.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/1114/1224326573976.html

    Bacik and the Labour councillor are cynically exploiting the death of this woman based on what? Do they know the full extent of what happened? Yes? Maybe a read of this one would go some way to coming to some sort of consensus on the subject. I doubt it because on the one side are the knuckle dragging Youth Defense and on the other extreme is Bacik.
    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/doctors-need-to-join-in-the-embryo-debate-1318805.html

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  • well said!

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  • They were here since 2008. They should have known Abortion was illegal here.

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    • she did not want am abortion she was told her baby would not survive and her cervix was dilated and she was bleeding and in a lot of pain. she asked to be induced do you people not read this is not an abortion for or against issue

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    • @ Amy: Abortion IS legal in Ireland in cases where the life of the mother is under threat and is happening on an ongoing basis. Please do your homework, it is an important issue.

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    • A Facebook account created yesterday? You really a sad excuse for a human Amy, or is it Abi ?

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    • Amy – Savita and her husband did not choose an abortion – they were a beautiful young couple looking forward to the birth of their baby in 2013. Savita was admitted to UCHG miscarrying her baby. Before you post a comment like you have – know the facts. They DID not attend an abortion clinic.

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  • Mr phelan is so small in his comments he hasn’t a clue life is precious hope he hasn’t a wife or family

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