And it is unbelievable to think of the lemmings that will line up and vote to keep Kenny in office so that we can endure three more years of this nonsense. So much for voting yes in the referendum.

While not ideal raising PRSI and cutting social welfare at least it would be fair as everybody is hit a little bit. What’s the bets thou that they’ll continue the divide and conquer policies by Doing only one of the above.

The people want the government to invest in much needed public transport like modern buses, trams and proper trains. Under FG and LAB, the country is cutting basic services to pay bondholders. Kenny’s party has always been pro-EU. Taxing the rich people over €70,000 would help close the deficit.

“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”

Thomas Jefferson

FG were elected on a manifesto that promised no income tax increase. A raising of PRSI is exactly that and would constitute a massive betrayal of the people that voted FG in February of last year. It was after all one of their key pledges that they repeated time and again. Government quickly loosing their mandate. Only 17 months in office and already roundly disliked for the break-neck U-turns they have performed in that time.

Taoiseach Kenny is unable to engage in any debate – he refused to engage prior to the referendum.

Meanwhile, the 6 super-rich people who say ‘tax me more’:
http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/6-super-rich-people-who-say-tax-me-more-436415-May2012/

What little game does kenny mean , I wonder . Is it who will come off the best or the worst ? The divide and conquer game the government are so intent on playing all the time. Paye V self employed. Rural V urban. Working V Unemployed, men V women. Young V old . household tax payers V Household tax non-payers…… Kenny , you are the one playing games. Get real and abolish the Austerity policies…

excuse me ? ”can’t even get out of it now cant get a passport if you haven’t paid household tax” since when ? Seriously , when did you find this out ?

No. There is no mechanism to deny anyone a passport for not paying any stealth tax. It wouldn’t stand in the courts.

Besides, applicants could easily say “I ain’t the owner”.

So a person can get a passport still , even if they have not paid the hhc ? Can this be clarified ? Please.

So very, very wrong. Would you care to name another country with higher social welfare/pension/healthcare payments as a % OD GDP than us??

Mark that person on €80k could well have a big mortgage do you want them to default on that if they get hit by a 3rd tax band?

Kerry,

Anyone earning above €80 K has no financial difficulty – I assure you. Raising taxes on rich would help reduce our balooning deficit. New taxes on the wealthy, restructure the tax code and approve short-term spending measures as part of a budget plan aimed at boosting job growth and helping the middle class.

Mark, you have internet access and time to post comments on the journal. By the standards of most of the world, you are “rich”. I think we should tax you.

Mark,

A single individual PAYE worker on 60k pays 4 times the tax of someone on 30k. (though earning twice)
A single individual PAYE worker on 90k pays 7 times the tax of someone on 30k (though earning three times as much)
A single individual PAYE worker on 120k pays 10 times the tax of someone on 30k (though earning 4 times as much)

How can you say that high earners don’t pay their share? They pay far income more tax than the lower paid.

http://www.budget.gov.ie/Budgets/2012/FinancialStatement.aspx
“The OECD have concluded that Ireland has the most progressive tax system of the EU members of its organization and Revenue records show that the top 5 per cent of income earners pay 44 per cent of income tax”

Seems to me like the highest earners pay the most tax. Why are you going after PAYE workers? You think they should pay even more than now (which is progressively more than the lower paid already), just because they’re more successful than most people?

I’ve established above how the highest PAYE earners pay the most income tax. The way the wealthy have a lower “effective tax rate” is because they have all sorts of schemes to take pay as shares (for which they used to pay lower CGT/CAT etc) and because they pay themselves in perks, and earn gains on their assets.

Attacking PAYE earners, who don’t game the system, is unfair and misdirected.

censored,

I earn €35 K a year and unlike the filthy rich, I pay more taxes after my PAYE and pension is deducted. Most people aren’t earning anywhere near €80 K. The previous tax rises appear to be working now that revenue is ahead of target. Any further increase for high earners is anticipated.

Ronan:

Per the 2012 Index of Economic Freedom,
Ireland, population 4.5 million, Income per capita $38,550/year
Italy, population 60.3 million, Income per capita $29.392/year

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6 super-rich people who say ‘tax me more’:

http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/6-super-rich-people-who-say-tax-me-more-436415-May2012/

Raising taxes on rich would help reduce deficit. Any sane government will enact new taxes on the wealthy over €80 K, restructure the tax code and approve short-term spending measures as part of a budget plan aimed at boosting job growth and helping the middle class. It’s interesting to see some of the comments by you on here.

Mark, a person on 80k pays a higher amount of tax than you in all of:n- Absolute valuen- percentage of gross incomennYour deflecting from my calling bull on you. Plug the incomes into any tax calculator and you’re wrong, but you throw out GDP per capita as an example to I don’t know what.

Mark, if you think people earning 80k are the “super rich” then you’re even more naive than your comments suggest. This country already raises (over) 39 billion euros a year in tax. So here’s a simple question: how much tax is needed to keep Enda in the style to which he’s becoming accustomed?

Bad argument Rónán. There is no differeance between a tax deduction or credit and a tax. They are two sides of the same coin. When Enda gives rich people a tax break, that means those of us who did not receive similar are paying more in tax than those who do. I.E. we are penalized for not earning more.

When you give a family a tax credit for sending kids to private schools, those who choose not to buy private school services are paying more in tax than those who do. I.E. they are paying a tax price for choosing not to buy private school services.

Spending is the engine of this economy, and when the rich hoard capital and add the double insult of paying lower tax rates through dividends and capital gains, it truly hurts our economy. The simplest thing to do would be to classify capital gains and dividends as income, taxed ad the marginal rate of the taxpayer.

The solution is simple: force the filthy rich to pay their tax, no loop holes or off shoring of funds,just pay the damn tax. The filthy rich have a penchant of defrauding the very government that feeds them like those bloated government contracts,etc.

Who are these flithy rich? Can they not afford showers?

Tim,

Quote me in any single place where I’ve spoken about anything other than Income tax paid by PAYE workers.

I agree, we need to close the tax loopholes that allow the self-assessed to pay less tax. My only point is, the blunt instrument proposed of a 3rd rate of tax hurts those not gaming the system, and those gaming it will work around it.

Introducing a new marginal tax rate only hurts PAYE workers. Removing so-called ‘tax expenditure’ (as you’ve suggested) hits those not paying their tax. I agree with you.

Don’t put other words in my mouth. You’ve brought up tax expenditure as a new point. I agree with you on this point. This point has nothing to do with the headline rate paid by normal PAYE workers who don’t have kids in private school, and the rest of your examples.

FG is no different to FF

LAB is no different to the Greens

Irish people will never learn.

Fine Gael recently offered tax breaks to people with €500 K to bypass the immigration system.

Well there’s always Sli Nios Fearr- look us us on Google, or http://www.sli-nios-fearr.com. It’s made up of all your thoughts, common sense and aspirations – because people send us comment and ideas. Hopefully you will hear more by the 10th July ( if the networks pick-up on the press launch) – I know Sky will little vested interests a play