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Consultants’ talks at LRC end eight hours after deadline

Talks between the Department, HSE, doctors and consultants were due to wrap up at midnight but continued until nearly 8am.

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Updated, 08:24

INDUSTRIAL NEGOTIATIONS at the Labour Relations Commission between the government, the health service, doctors and consultants have ended – after 23 consecutive hours of talks, which continued eight hours after a 12am deadline.

The talks between the HSE, Department of Health, doctors’ union the Irish Medical Organisation representing and the Irish Hospital Consultants Association were due to finish at midnight, but continued overnight with agreement in sight on some key areas.

The Irish Times’ Martin Wall, speaking on Newstalk, said the talks will mean the creation of a new pay grade for new consultants, incorporating a salary of up to 30 per cent less than those afforded to current entrants, who are currently paid an average of €185,000 per year.

It was reported on RTÉ’s Morning Ireland, however, that this 30 per cent reduction was not material to the overnight discussions.

The parties are also thought to have agreed to extra flexibility from consultants on rostering arrangements.

No deal has been reached on reforming other matters, including the historic ‘rest days’ system, meaning those matters may now be be referred to the Labour Court for a binding ruling under the terms of the Croke Park deal.

The ‘rest days’ issue is among the most contentious in the health system. Under the current system, consultants who are unable to take up their entitlements for rest days can save them up over time – often meaning they can take several months’ holidays directly before they retire.

The Department of Health was keen to reach a deal with the consultants’ association, as pay for consultants makes up some €475 million of its annual budget.

Read: Consultants agree to LRC talks on Department of Health budget

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Comments (23 Comments)

  • I don’t get these negotiations with the gods in White coats or any other vested interest in the public service
    The government didn’t sit down and negotiate with the carers or the blind or disabled when they cut their allowances – they just did it. If they can take such a hard line with the most vulnerable they should be able to do it with the most well paid and elevated in our society

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    • Consultants don’t wear white coats, the med students do, but I suppose that shows precisely what it is you know about these people and their work: Very little.

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    • Med students don’t wear white coats, at least they shouldn’t if they are adhering to current infection control guidelines. The days of doctors walking around hospitals in filthy unwashed coats spreading infections from patient to patient are meant to be a thing of the past.

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    • Limofax, they do. It’s how they are identified as students.

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    • I borrowed the expression from the german language but obviously that renders my main point completely invalid right?
      I’m listening to a guy on newstalk saying that in return for having their current salaries of around 230k untouched they will give full cooperation to change programs under croke park
      Wow! They will actually deign to perform their roles in the way their employers want and they act like it’s a major concession.
      Unbelievable sense of entitlement that’s rife among these guys and ps workers representatives in general

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    • Micheal 17/09/12 #

      Hakuin,
      Salaries are not on the table here, the Croke Park Agreement does not allow it.
      Practicing consultants can earn no more than approx 185,000, if they are earning More than that, they are lecturing, or teaching in addition to a full working week, and are as you say, entitled to that.
      What is on the cards however are things like productivity, making sure public hospitals get paid for private work in a timely manner, making sure that overtime is minimised as much as possible (although, given the current understaffed system, that’s not very easy).

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    • That might be true about the white coats, I can’t recall seeing one person in a white coat last time I was in hospital (3weeks ago). The doctors and students were dressed in their own clothes or blue scrubs.

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    • How long before someone mentions that nice new coat they bought in penneys
      “really warm. And such a bargain!”

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    • Micheal 17/09/12 #

      @Andrea, 3 weeks ago? When every student is on holidays?

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    • Michael, I’ve been attending the hospital almost monthly for the past 16 months and I honestly can’t remember seeing any white coats. Maybe I just haven’t noticed them but even the doctors and students that have been treating me haven’t been wearing any? Only blue scrubs, actually green scrubs too now that I think of it. I’m back in next Tuesday so I’ll take a closer look and ask the students in with me. You may be right, I genuinely don’t know but now I’m beyond curious. I need to get a hobby….

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    • Hakuin Murphy

      I presume your comment was sarcasm and I don’t need to explain that the Consultants are employees with contractual rights while carers etc are recipients of what could be described as “grace and favour” which can be altered by Ministerial decision.

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    • Micheal 17/09/12 #

      Hi Andrea, you could be right – there may well be a change in that – it depends on hospital – I don’t know, but usually the student is the one with the white coat, books and look of terror!

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    • Ha ha ha, I’ve seen the looks of terror alright, God love them. Well I’ve been going to a maternity hospital so it may have something to do with that.

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    • Student nurses don’t wear white coats they wear white tunics with a red stripe along bottom of sleeve this is how you identify a trainee,general nurses where blue or green complete outfits,while doctors and consultants do wear white
      coats

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    • Micheal 17/09/12 #

      Ah yes, ok. There are a few areas where white coats are not allowed be worn by anyone: maternity hospitals, paediatric hospitals, psychiatric hospitals. Apologies, should probably have qualified that statement: where a white coat is worn, It’s the medical student not the consultant who wears them! One can only hope that the rest of the hospitals/wards will get rid of the white coat!

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  • I don’t disagree with salary cuts for doctors. However, there’s a problem at the moment of certain consultants (I say certain) ignoring their public patients so that they can spend more time getting money from the private ones. There should be a way to ensure consultants give adequate care to all their patients, or else not be entitled to a government salary. Salary cuts without such regulation could unfortunately incentivise more doctors to follow this worrying trend :(

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    • Micheal 17/09/12 #

      Actually, that’s not really a huge problem. Consultants don’t make much out of private work by the time hospitals are paid, the cost of using equipment is paid, staff etc.
      More of a problem is the method of reimbursement from insurance companies, who make it as awkward as possible to claim for procedures.
      Public hospitals make a fortune out of private patients, that’s why private patients are allowed in to public hospitals.

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  • Sure they’re well used to the long hours – no?

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  • While I think that these guys do work hard and deserve a decent salary for what they do…many of them, not all, are so arrogant (I work very closely with some), I really don’t get it!

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  • Hakuin could use a doctor to treat that burn!

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  • Are people simply ignorant?

    Reading through the comments and it appears some posters have simply missed the story.

    These CUTS ARE NOT TO EXISTING CONSULTANTS.

    They are simply cuts to all the new consultants that we aren’t taking on. In other words its SPIN!

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  • Spineless Cowards.

    Of course FG/Labour couldn’t cut existing consultants, 2 issues here.

    1 They would have to cut their own wages, 2) There Afraid of Strikes, once that happens people will realise we are just like Greece and a basket case of a country.

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  • Where’s the figure of ?185,000 coming from?

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