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Major riots in Athens as Greek parliament approves austerity deal

A riot police officer tries to extinguish flames from a petrol bomb thrown by protestors outside the Greek parliament.
A riot police officer tries to extinguish flames from a petrol bomb thrown by protestors outside the Greek parliament.
Image: Thanassis Stavrakis/AP

THE GREEK PARLIAMENT has this evening ratified a major new package of austerity measures – dropping 15,000 public jobs and cutting the minimum wage by a fifth – in order to secure a second EU-IMF bailout.

Precisely 200 MPs of the 300-member parliament voted in favour of the deal, brokered by the leaders of the outgoing national coalition, in a vote which wrapped up close to 1am local time in Athens.

The deal paves the way for Eurozone finance ministers to confirm the second bailout, of €130bn, and wil allow Greece to continue negotiations with its private bondholders as it seeks to write down €100bn of its national debt.

The bailout had been urgently required by Greece, which has over €14 billion of loans falling due next month and would not otherwise have the means to pay them.

The vote was met with major riots in Athens, as fireballs lit the night sky and buildings were set ablaze amid widespread rioting and looting.

At least 10 buildings, including a closed cinema, a bank, a mobile phone dealership, a glassware store and a cafeteria, were on fire. There were no immediate reports of people trapped inside.

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    Greek finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos, left, confers with Prime Minister Lucas Papademos during today's parliamentary debate. (AP Photo/Dimitri Messinis)
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    Riot police, not seen, push back protesters as the ancient Temple of Zeus is illuminated during clashes in Athens. (AP Photo/Thanassis Stavrakis)
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    A riot police officer looks on as a branch of the Cosmote mobile company is ablaze during clashes in Athens. (AP Photo/Thanassis Stavrakis)
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    Riot police try to avoid a petrol bomb thrown by protesters outside the Greek Parliament in Athens. (AP Photo/Petros Giannakouris)
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    A riot police officers tries to extinguish flames from a petrol bomb thrown by protestors outside the Greek parliament. (AP Photo/Thanassis Stavrakis)
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    A protester kicks a tear gas canister at riot police during clashes in Athens. (AP Photo/Thanassis Stavrakis)

Dozens of shops were also looted in the worst riot damage the country has seen since unrest in December 2008 following the fatal police shooting of a teenager.

Dozens of police officers and at least 37 protesters were injured in the violence, and more than 20 suspected rioters were detained. Clashes erupted after more than 100,000 protesters marched to parliament to rally against the drastic austerity deal.

“I’ve had it! I can’t take it any more. There’s no point in living in this country any more,” said a man walking through his smashed and looted optician store.

A protester who declined to give his name said: “I don’t care if an ornament shop is burning, but it’s a shame the building is old. We will win.”

A three-story corner building was completely consumed by flames with riot officers looking on from the street, and firefighters trying to douse the blaze. Protesters set bonfires in front of parliament and dozens of riot police formed lines to try to deter them from trying to make a run on parliament. Clouds of tear gas drifted across the square in front of parliament. Many in the crowd wore gas masks and had their faces covered, while others carried Greek flags and carried banners.

Riot police fired dozens of tear gas volleys at rioting youths, who attacked them with firebombs, fireworks and chunks of marble smashed off the fronts of luxury hotels, banks and department stores.

Additional reporting by the Associated Press

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  • mike 12/02/12 #
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    And this is all thanks to the free market, leverage in the banking system etc and de-regulation via the government who are bought off by lobbyists and the like.

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    • Peter 12/02/12 #
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      Free markets is not bailouts… Bailouts are a product of corporate socialism..if we had have taken a lasair faire approach and treat banks like we do normal business when it fails.. Fiat currency is a product of the anti-free market…

    • David Higgins 12/02/12 #
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      Governments print money and are the central bankers that govern all. They’re at fault here.

    • Mark Malone 13/02/12 #
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      Im updating live blog with citizens tweets, images and video, Lots of footage and comments coming in. You can find it here

      http://soundmigration.wordpress.com/2012/02/12/some-images-from-athens-tonight/

    • Sean O'Keeffe 13/02/12 #
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      This could have been avoided if those in power had at some time read a document written by a Kerryman almost 300 years ago.
      The ‘Cantillon effect’ describes how expansionary monetary policies effect prices in an economy. Initially, resulting in an asset boom (such as property). Ultimately, resulting in a bust (as we are currently experiencing).
      Richard Cantillon was describing what he had experienced and profited handsomely from during the Mississippi bubble.
      These busts are not caused by free-markets leveraging on banks or anything else, but by dysfunctional monetary policies enacted by incompetent politicans and/or central bankers.

      http://www.theasiamag.com/cheat-sheet/the-cantillon-effect-explains-property-prices

    • Sean O'Keeffe 13/02/12 #
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      There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.”
      Ludwig von Mises (Human Action, p. 572)

  • Eileen Gabbett 12/02/12 #
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    How sad ! I am devestated for the Greeks .I admire their strength of character to stand up to the EU . I wish we could assist them in some way . I don’t like violence but when it is the last resort what else can be done except stand up and be counted .

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    • Niamh Byrne 12/02/12 #
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      Excellently said eileen, I feel the same way.

    • Paul O'Keeffe 13/02/12 #
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      Ditto

    • Jim Brady 13/02/12 #
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      Sure Eileen, all those shops and businesses destroyed, and policemen (members of the Greek public sector) being set on fire, you must be very proud.
      Heres a crazy idea: the Greeks may in fact bear some responsibilty for their country 1) utterly failing to collect taxes appropriately, 2) spending significantly more than it generates, 3) having a ludicrous retirement age 4) and getting 3.5 on Transparency International’s corruption scale (roughly comparable with Malawi or Columbia)
      It’s all the German’s fault after all…

    • Eileen Gabbett 13/02/12 #
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      Yes Jim (IF THAT IS YOUR NAME) I agree .It IS all Germany’s fault . Let them default and start all over again . At least they wont be fattening german banks vaults

    • David McCabe 13/02/12 #
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      Well said Jim Brady! Violence is never the answer and should never be resorted to. Whatever about the EU’s response for the crisis, the Greeks dug a hole for themselves!

  • Nigel Hayden 12/02/12 #
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    well at least the greek public have some backbone unlike us

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  • WeAreRagbags 12/02/12 #
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    Oh, those poor riot police. I wonder if they thought exhausting their entire supply of extra-strong tear-gas would anger the protestors? Or that covering the city centre in tear gas in the morning to prevent the people from even assembling to protest the “goldman sach-ing” of their country – which should pass off without a hitch right?

    The guys throwing tear gas dressed like storm-troopers. Yup, they’re the real victims in all of this.

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  • Jonathan O Neill 12/02/12 #
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    Height of respect for the Riot Police! Nobody deserves that no matter how much trouble your country is in!!!!

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    • Kevin Carroll 12/02/12 #
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      Then side with the people and stand aside and stop defend ing the golden sachs financial coup

    • Réada Quinn 12/02/12 #
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      Disgrace to the riot police. I believe most of the riot police are part of this new European Gendarmerie Force. Look it up on http://www.eurogendendfor.org

      Mercenaries some might call them

    • Gary Clowry 12/02/12 #
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      I suppose you have some proof for that claim Réada?

    • Niamh Byrne 13/02/12 #
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      Question 2 c gary….seems this police force was mandated for exactly this purpose.

      http://www.eurogendfor.eu/

    • Niamh Byrne 13/02/12 #
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      Apologies, it won’t link direct to page but click ques on left bar…2c just in case you missed that…2c.

    • Eileen Gabbett 13/02/12 #
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      The European Gendarmerie Force (EGF) is an initiative of 5 EU Member States – France, Italy, The Netherlands, Portugal and Spain – aimed at improving the crisis management capability in sensitive areas. Since Wednesday, 17th December 2008, the High Level Interdepartmental Committee Meeting (CIMIN) decided to welcome the Romanian Gendarmerie to become a full member of the EGF. Therefore the EGF consists from that moment of 6 member states.
      EGF responds to the need to rapidly conduct all the spectrum of civil security actions, either on its own or in parallel with the military intervention, by providing a multinational and effective tool.
      The EGF will facilitate the handling of crisis that require management by police forces, usually in a critical situation, also taking advantage from the experience already gained in the relevant peace-keeping missions.
      Based in Vicenza in the “Generale Chinotto” barracks, the EGF HQ is now developing a comprehensive and coherent operational system, which will permit to be ready in case of prompt deployment to crisis areas.
      EGF goal is to provide the International Community with a valid and operational instrument for crisis management, first and foremost at disposal of EU, but also of other International Organizations, as NATO, UN and OSCE, and ad hoc coalitions.

    • Réada Quinn 13/02/12 #
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      There’s your proof Gary. Where the hell do you think they are??? How about you coming up with some proof now Gary. You’re not too hot on that score… Still waiting on your India claim. Aren’t we Niamh. Lol

    • Gary Clowry 13/02/12 #
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      I asked you to prove what you claimed Réada. Instead I got text that states… “The European Gendarmerie Force (EGF) is an initiative of 5 EU Member States – France, Italy, The Netherlands, Portugal and Spain; aimed at improving the crisis management capability in sensitive areas.”
      You’ll notice a couple of things about this… A. It doesn’t prove these states are involved in the riots in Greece. B. It actually lists the 5 states involved in this and one of them isn’t Greece.
      So you’re claim was “I believe most of the riot police are part of this new European Gendarmerie Force”. Not only have you failed to prove it, you’ve proven Greece isn’t part of it.

    • Rommel Burke 13/02/12 #
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      I think the point is they’ve gone in from outside Greece.

    • Gary Clowry 13/02/12 #
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      And BTW Réada I posted a nice long comment about Indian property tax rates which clearly showed I was correct. It had multiple links to multiple places for backup. The Journal saw fit to delete it for some unknown reason. To say I’m pee’d off about that would be an understatement as I went to a lot of trouble to gather the info. It was there for at least a day before deletion so some of you might have seen it. Not that I expect any of you to believe it but it’s none the less true.

    • Eileen Gabbett 13/02/12 #
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      Gary

      Just say that I missed that post or failed to understand it ….But I am sure I missed it because I didn’t seeit .
      Can you explain it again …How you think India pays more taxes than us. Please.

    • Réada Quinn 13/02/12 #
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      Gary. You have such a cute little profile pic and as my adversaries go you’re quite polite. They are there Gary. What do you think wad the purpose of their creation? Seriously. Your profile pic depicts you as someone with an imagination. I just don’t want you to keep imagining that the EU has your interests at heart. Truly.

    • Réada Quinn 13/02/12 #
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      Take a walk on the wild side Gary. Post it again why doncha.

    • Gary Clowry 13/02/12 #
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      Réada. No need to post it again Gavin has restored it for me. Thanks Gavin I appreciate that.
      I’m not anyone’s adversary it just pisses me off when people say stuff as fact when they clearly can’t back it up. We all have biases but a lot of this stuff is too important to have people’s biases all over it. So will you be proving that “most of the riot police are part of this new European Gendarmerie Force”?
      Oh and Réada you might be surprised just how fun I am, I just save that for not here.

  • Holemaster 12/02/12 #
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    This is what happens when you blackmail a country and subvert its parliament.

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  • Jonathan O Neill 12/02/12 #
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    Ah here theyre just ordinary citizens like you and me doing a job! Im sure they dont exactly agree with the state their country is in either!

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      … but they are protecting it.
      Just following orders.

    • WeAreRagbags 13/02/12 #
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      I’m at pains to invoke Godwins Law here, but the “I’m just doing my job” excuse was ruled unacceptable half a century ago when the Nuremburg Trials sentenced the regular members and workers of the Nazi state for what they did.

      The Greek opposition MPs have already said those signing the bailout into law will face trial for treason the other side of the inevitable collapse, so they have been warned. I hope Enda Kenny and Eamonn Gilmore keep that in mind…

    • Réada Quinn 13/02/12 #
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      You are a troll Jonathan. The police force have no right to attack their people. They should go into the parliament and tear gas those inside that are refusing to act in their country’s interests.

    • Gary Clowry 13/02/12 #
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      Sure because stopping people burning down your city and rounding innocent people up and putting them in gas chambers is comparable.

  • Daniel R 12/02/12 #
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    -When the money stops flowing down to the man on the street, the blood starts flowing in the street

    -When people loose everything and they have nothing left to loose, they loose it

    -Far too many have much too much and far to few have much too little

    Etc. Etc.

    It’s time for people to stand up. No really, now it is.

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  • Ally Collyer 12/02/12 #
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    Democracy is seemingly terminally ill, methinks.

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    Greece needs to get its house in order no question about that but why were they not forced to meet the convergence criteria when times were better, a structured plan for European fiscal stability, countries simply should not have been allowed borrow the way they did and remain in the euro. Now ordinary people are literally having their standard of living being crippled by the euphemistic “harsh medicine” of the Troika. This solution is also doomed to fail as such austerity destroys prospects for growth.

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  • Niall Dorr 12/02/12 #
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    This is basic budgeting. The Greeks are spending too much on themselves, Retire at 42 etc. As a nation their outgoings are far higher than their intake. Tax evasion in Greece is ‘normal’. They need to cop on. They have been robbing the EU for years. Tough luck. What’s the point of rioting? 15000 laid of public servants is better off than the whole public service not getting paid in six weeks time due to no money in the bank. Don’t forget, they cooked the books to get into the EU in the first place.

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  • Thobiasinkblot 12/02/12 #
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    Democracy is dead

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  • Oran Drumgoole 12/02/12 #
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    This is so so sad. A country is on its knees and tearing itself apart and the politicians (or to be more specific the vested interest lobbies behind them) , who know nothing of real poverty or pain, are making decisions that literally decide how other countries are run.

    In truth, Greece did bring some of this on themselves, but how can anybody justify the treatment of an entire country in this way?

    I worry for humanity , that we have been normalised into believing that this is the only way that we should be ruled. In truth, I am very scared that my children might grow up in a soulless , fascist world that cares little about the people in favour of the cash.

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  • StemC 12/02/12 #
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    Papademos the unelected technocrat prime minister of Greece says violence has no place in a democracy! IRONEE!

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  • David Higgins 12/02/12 #
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    Elections are on the way there in April, people will have a chance to have their say and vote for an anti-Eu/IMF/Austerity party if they so wish.

    Until then there’s absolutely no justification for smashing up most of Athens and for attacking the police.

    I can’t understand calls here for irish people to “rise up”. Do you think tech companies want to invest in a country whose people are constantly rioting in the streets and smashing up the place??

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    • Rommel Burke 13/02/12 #
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      Like they had a chance to elect Papademos? I don’t think so. Considering those who voted against were expelled from their parties tonight I doubt there will be an viable anti-austerity option even if elections are staged.
      As for tech companies investing here, you surely don’t still believe we will trade our way out of this?

    • David Higgins 13/02/12 #
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      Of course we’ll trade our way, how else can we get out of this mess?

      So basically you think that because an anti-austerity party will be badly organised and will lose the election it gives people the right to forget those votes and go and smash up central Athens?

  • made 12/02/12 #
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    This is what is needed here in Ireland.

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  • Mark Rodgers 12/02/12 #
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    Anyone throwing petrol bombs at humans should be charged with attempted murder and when the victims are police officers upholding the laws of civilized societies then upon conviction the sentence should be a minimum of twenty years.
    What horrifies me is that some of the supporting cast above include women and that just sends a shiver up my spine.
    Ignore the facts if you wish but Greeks have been collectively lying and cheating for years while borrowing monies from others including the Irish to support a totally unsustainable lifestyle at the expense of others and their past has simply caught up on them.

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    • Mark Malone 13/02/12 #
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      “What horrifies me is that some of the supporting cast above include women and that just sends a shiver up my spine.”

      Wow, thats the daftest sentence ive read all weekend.

    • Rommel Burke 13/02/12 #
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      @ Mark Rodgers
      What are your views on white collar crime carried out on an unprecedented scale? I don’t condone violence but I do understand that everyone and everything has a breaking point.

    • Réada Quinn 13/02/12 #
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      Mark Rogers. I haven’t read any calls for violence from any of the women here. But people cannot be ignored. It would be more in line for you to concern yourself with the violence perpetrated on the Greek citizen by riot police and politicians.

    • Réada Quinn 13/02/12 #
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      That gave me a laugh Eileen. There’s no way Jim Brady would say that.

    • Mark Malone 13/02/12 #
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      Cheers Eileen

      I guess that accusation of being an anarchist is something im happy to put my hands up to.

    • Réada Quinn 13/02/12 #
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      Let’s give anarchy a go Mark. Rogers that is. Lol

    • Eileen Gabbett 13/02/12 #
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      Thing is my kids would laugh heartily at the idea of ”Mom” being an anarchist .
      Altough I must admit it is better than being a yes man/ woman .
      Lol :) :)

    • Gary Clowry 13/02/12 #
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      It shocks me too that many in here are supporting riots where people are trying to burn down parts of the city and kill police officers. These riots cannot change anything since Greece is between a rock and a hard place of it own making.

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    C’on everyone. Get into the real world, this euro zone problem is not going to be resolved in the short term. Eventually there is going to be a Premier group of countries and then the rest. Unfortunately the Germans will dictate to us all. The previous government, financial regulator, senior civil servants and bankers greed are directly at fault.

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    • Eileen Gabbett 13/02/12 #
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      Michael O Riordan
      Are you aware you used the word ”dictate” when you spoke of Germany ?
      Surely we need no must avoid this scenario !

  • EMD 13/02/12 #
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    Sorry but difference does it make if the “supporting cast” are women or men? What on earth is that supposed to mean amongst everything else?

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  • Popsicle Pete 13/02/12 #
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    It’s mad how much we take it all lying down. I image our forebears are literally spinning in their graves.

    But I think the full reality still hasn’t sunk in for many of us, and for those who it has they are just trying to hang on in there and protect their own. We may awaken yet, and remember that we are one of the most intelligent populations in the world and we deserve a fresh start. And that we are strong.

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  • Mark Malone 13/02/12 #
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    This is all in the plan. The IMF has been doing this in countries for decade (that why lots of people used to try shutting down summits etc) They just are doing it in Europe now with a banking and financial elite that own power and decision making capacity. Elected reps -and their technocratic counterparts where they have been installed – are simply middle managers in the biggest transfer of wealth and power in the last 50 years.

    This is NOT a deficit crisis, it is a debt and democracy crisis. And it has a five word solution

    “Cancel The Debt. Redistribute Power”

    Wanna put manners on them, you best stop shouting at the monkeys and start kickin the organ grinders in the nuts. A intra-national mortage strike would put manners on those mtfkers pretty quickly. Strategic mass non engagement is our most powerful tool for social justice.

    Im updating live blog with citizens tweets, images and video from Athens here

    http://soundmigration.wordpress.com/2012/02/12/some-images-from-athens-tonight/

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    • Jim Brady 13/02/12 #
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      So is it your position that the Greek deficit doesn’t exist, or that it is irrelevant?!

    • Eileen Gabbett 13/02/12 #
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      Well said Mark especially

      ”Wanna put manners on them, you best stop shouting at the monkeys and start kickin the organ grinders in the nuts”

      AND

      ”Cancel The Debt. Redistribute Power”

    • Mark Malone 13/02/12 #
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      Cheers Eileen

      I guess that accusation of being an anarchist is something im happy to put my hands up to.

      “So is it your position that the Greek deficit doesn’t exist, or that it is irrelevant?!”

      Jim sure a deficit exists. What im suggesting is an intellectual and empathetic step out side the immoral logic of university economics. Lets set aside that Goldmans Sachs happily colluded with the Greek elites in massive tax avoidance (much like in Ireland too), and lets set aside the fundemental flaws in the creation of daft financial vehicles simply as a method of ‘creating’ more credit – essentailly making money out of thin air -. And lets set aside that Greece doesnt have a democractic government, and that these technocrats cant even pretend to have a democractic mandate.

      Coming at this from a persective of social justice (and not arithmetic) these debts – not bailouts but enforced debts – are all about creating a legal and thus legitimising framework of pushing private fuckups on to wide socieites. This is not socialism for the rich, its simply capitalism for the rich.

  • Bernadette Dunne 13/02/12 #
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    @ Eileen Gabbett I do not agree with violence at all BUT I do agree with taking a stand…Stand up and be counted and I feel the Irish have lost that fight in themselves,be counted be heard,be strong,be true Irish Person Protest for the future of Our Little Island that Took Generations to gain what we are allowing to be taken from us

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    • Eileen Gabbett 13/02/12 #
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      Thanks Bernadette
      but be carefull what you say , you don’t want to upset the
      PARTY hacks like Mark Rodgers above who accused me yesterday
      of being an anarchist and conducting myself illegally.

      Bernadette

      ” There are none so blind as those who will not see. ”

      I pray, that Our little boys and girls in Dail Eireann who make up the
      government ie., Enda and Eamon and their colleagues , will stand up
      and defend us and stop taking their orders from the EU money men.
      I wish people would stop being afraid .

      there is nothing to fear but fear itself !!!

  • Oran Drumgoole 13/02/12 #
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    I wouldn’t think that Ireland needs a similar violent revolution, more a revolution of thinking and how we want our country to be run.

    I am convinced we can work within our restricted financial parameters , while trying to create a more empathetic , community orientated nation. But we have to break free of our psychological shackles that we learned growing up.

    Incidentally , while I agree it serves no obvious purpose for the Greeks to literally burn their city, I can only imagine the pain and suffering that they must be going through. We think we have had it tough, but these people are going through torture. It’s easy for us to type away here in a civil manner, throwing verbal stones. As the saying goes …. No one can see where I stand, unless they take a walk in my shoes.

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    • Eileen Gabbett 13/02/12 #
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      Oran D
      I am heart broken watching the news tonight and all day ….

      They must feel so frustrated and angry , it seems like the last straw for them .
      I like that saying about standing in ”my shoes”…

  • Everyone I know are struggling at the moment…young people with 300,000 euro mortgages around their necks for the rest of their lives.. Not being able to feed themselves .. Getting rid of their car because they can’t afford to pay for petrol… And no sign of any improvement for the rest of their life.. Is this right..no its not..

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  • Paul O'Keeffe 13/02/12 #
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    The last photo of the finance minister and PM is really stomach churning. Two fat cats doing what they do. Incidentally I wonder what PR agencies are running the ‘Greeks are corrupt and asked for all of this line’. You can be damn sure that the BS coming from the bankocracy is filtered through some very savvy operators.

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  • Eoin Faz 13/02/12 #
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    Cracks in society.̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨begining to manifest on your screen before your very eyes!

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    • MojoRise 13/02/12 #
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      That ink splat wow good one I taught my phone screen was broken :)

      Listen to rage against the machine

      We need to stop the machines (governments, agencies, fbi, cia, private banks) they are cancers eating there hosts one by one….

      Go anonymous your the only group fighting and capable of doing so for our freedom….

      Soon and not just in Eire but all weaker countries will have been sold off to these private bankers and this will have been facilitated by politicians asleep at the wheel. The politicians can well afford private hospital treatment for there loved ones if something goes wrong that’s why they shut hospital beds down. They really don’t give a shit about any off us…. We do need to turn this machine off and NOW.

      Wake up before its to bloody late…..

    • Daniel R 13/02/12 #
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      Christ you gave me a heart attack I thought my screen was broke you A Hole hahaha

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    I agree the actions in general of the IMF are harsh, but lets be honest, the IMF are not called into countries doing well they are called into countries that are screwed, usually because of internal political failings or when countries are brought down by foreign interests as in south America (but that is a different story). The peripheries didn’t fail, the whole E.U machine failed.

    I disagree with the “we need riots here” sentiment because none of them can reply without referencing some abstract pseudo – Marxist/anarchist response that in reality has no chance of working and is as devoid of the same practical cognition as freemarketism does.

    I would like to see an end to capitalism ideologically but that wont happen as any implementation of socialism has always failed sooner or later. Every time there is a capitalist crisis its hailed as the “end for capitalism” and it never really is.

    If we look at history it could be argued that the interwar years was capitalism at its very worst which gave rise to reactionary movements of national socialism and communism. It was after WWII that the west was at its most politically and economically sensible.

    Promotion of cooperation based on mutual respect and benefit was the goal of the precursor to the EU and Keynesian economics were seen for their common sense rather than being labelled as socialism through the back door as our esteemed neoliberal friends in Washington would have us believe.

    All that changed under the Thatcher-Reagan reign of the 80s. National industry was deliberately ran down and privatized with many once profitable companies being destroyed in the name of profit. And to counteract the loss of tangible output this massive borrowing took its place. And surprise surprise countries cant pay debts back now because they have no tangible output.

    Now we have a public sector starved of funding, a private sector paying off bad debt via taxes so cant prop up public services and once again the world is staring down the barrel of bad reaction movements springing up and taking control of politics, if common sense politics and economics are followed it can be avoided however.

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  • michael cuthbert 13/02/12 #
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    During one of the early riots in Greece a bank was attacked and torched. An employee died. Careful what you wish for…

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    • Ross McNulty 13/02/12 #
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      Hang on –

      This is terrible news, I don’t dispute that for one second.

      But name one society that during a recession has not seen a huge increase in suicides, untreated medical conditions resulting in many deaths as a result of underfunded health systems and the destructive legacy of such recessions on the generations of young people who grow up in a society with no jobs, depleted education services, unemployment in the home – the list goes on.

      The death of the bank employee is unfortunate but consider the thousands of others, the ‘collateral damage’ of such austerity -

  • Dermot Murphy 13/02/12 #
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    70% losses to the greek bondholders.I wonder will our lot do the same with our second bail out.I somehow doubt it.The bill will be landed on us.

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  • Giovanni Giusti 13/02/12 #
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    What really galls me above is the reference by some (such as “Mark Malone” or “Réada Quinn”) to “the people”.

    How many of “the people” are in the Occupy movements or torching buildings in Athens? Very few. In fact, if we thought that the Occupy Dame Street protesters were “the 99%” then we should think that Ireland had a population of 200 at the most.

    There isn’t a sure fire way of finding out what “the people” really want collectively, but surely a dozen (or a hundred, or even ten thousand) self appointed protesters don’t represent anyone but themselves. They should not be referred to as “the people”. “The people” of Greece are those who voted for their representatives in parliament who in turn voted for the bailout terms. Is this system flawed? Certainly. Do elected officials actually work for their electorate’s benefit? Not really. But they are still the most accurate representation of the people’s will that is available.

    Subverting representative democracy by appeals to “the real will of the people” instead of respecting what each person chose in the ballot box is the first step of fascism.

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    Eileen Gabbett.
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    Just wondering about your comment re ‘monkeys, organ grinders and nuts’, a little inappropriate to describe any human being in this way, even if they disagree with you.
    Completely stand over my ‘dictate’ comment earlier on.
    You better get used to it!
    You should be aware that our country is being and has been dictated to over the past few years and we can do nothing about it.
    You’ve obviously been out of the loop recently.
    Sad days.

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