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Government will oppose SF bill to limit moneylenders’ interest rates

Sinn Féin’s legislation would mean licensed moneylenders would not be allowed to charge interest higher than 40% APR.

Pearse Doherty said one licensed lender charged interest rates of up to 210 per cent APR.
Pearse Doherty said one licensed lender charged interest rates of up to 210 per cent APR.

THE GOVERNMENT has said it will oppose draft legislation tabled by Sinn Féin which proposed to place a limit on the interest rates that moneylenders are allowed to charge – saying it would threaten the viability of the sector.

Legislation proposed by the party’s finance spokesman Pearse Doherty had sought to introduce a new limit of 40 per cent APR on any funds lent by a moneylender licensed under Irish law.

Introducing the Bill, Doherty said that over 300,000 people were now in receipt of loans from Ireland’s 42 licensed moneylenders, which were not subject to any legal ceiling on the rates they could charge.

This meant that some Irish lenders charged up to 210 per cent APR, he said – a rate which would mean a €500 loan would cost €186 if repaid within six months, or €375 if repaid over a year.

29 licensed Irish lenders, he added, charged APR of over 100 per cent – while 14 charged rates of over 150 per cent.

Gerry Adams added that borrowing was “not for drink, not for luxuries, not for pleasure”, but instead to meet everyday bills, he said – arguing that a significant number of households now reliant on the services of moneylenders.

Adams said Sinn Féin’s proposed limit of 40 per cent was fairer to customers, while also allowing licensed lenders to operate “on a sound commercial basis” and to remain viable themselves.

Regressive

Junior finance minister Brian Hayes, responding for the government, said the move would actually be regressive – as it would force legitimate moneylenders out of business and send them into the arms of unlicensed loan sharks.

“The most likely impact of applying a capped rate of 40 per cent APR, or a lesser rate… is that moneylending would no longer be viable,” Hayes said, claiming that licensed moneylending was a “labour-intensive” and “inherently expensive business”.

“Licence renewals would not be sought, and it would likely close down the industry,” he said.

Hayes pointed to a 2009 study undertaken in the UK where it was concluded that a not-for-profit housing finance agency would need to be able to charge interest rates of close to 123 per cent APR in order to be commercially viable, assuming start-up capital of £18 million.

13 of the EU’s 27 member states have legal caps on the interest which can be charged by licensed lenders – with Spain having a cap of 10 per cent APR, while Belgium’s upper limit stands at 19.5 per cent and France’s at 21.6 per cent.

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Comments (52 Comments)

  • 13 of the EU’s 27 countries seem to be trying to make their limits work – what are we doing, just rejecting the idea.

    If you like SF or not, 40% rate is too bloody high anyway and the illegal money ,lenders must be stopped taking advantage of the unfortunate stuck between a rock and a hard place!

    Now if some people would just get over their bloody hatred of SF or at least for the common good, put it to one side for a minute and have a bit of kop-on!

    …The red arrows I suspect though, will tell us all that would be too much to ask!

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  • I don’t care if its SF, FF, FG, Labour or the independents who proposed this bill. 210% APR on ANY loan is criminal especial when imposed on the poor. Unworkable, “politically motivated” and every other comment which promotes this unethical and oppressive element of our society is pure rubbish and undefendedable. End it now. Regulate it now. Stop it now. And if the money lenders are thrown from the temple because it will threaten the viability of the sector then so be it. Disgusting to see so many people politicise the defence of the vulnerable as unworkable. Disgusting.

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  • Why is it such a daft suggestion that the vulnerable in our society who have been driven to private money lenders by the inefficiencies and mistakes of our own government be offered some protection from the extortionate rates these lenders charge.

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    • Legislating the interest rates of licensed money lenders will impede their ability and willingness to lend money. This will play into the hands of unlicensed money lenders (criminals).
      The impact of such legislation would mirror the benefits the state has extended to criminals in the areas of cigarette, fuel and drug smuggling.

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  • Nobody or Company should be allowed to charge more than 40%.

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  • Rob 17/07/12 #

    The government opposes the regulation of loan sharks. Interesting to see who’s side FG are on. Gotta get them voted out ASAP…

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  • Amazing how some of you FGers manage to turn everything sinn fein try to do for us into something wrong and evil. They could be spending their entire wages on helping the poor whilst nursing sick puppies back to health and you woulds still say ‘aaahh dats a publicity stunt what are dey really upta? We prefer being beaten inta the dirt by mr blueshirt over there. please punish us more enda it hurts so gooooooooood”

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  • Why am I not surprised by this? Sure aren’t this Continuity FF government the best friends of the worst moneylenders, the banksters they have handed over our children’s future to.

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  • Sure why pick on the street money lender when they refuse to hold banks accountable to law or place economic welfare of the state above them.

    Great Fuppin job Govt.

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  • Not a SF supporter but think this is a great proposal

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  • This is what’s wrong with politics in Ireland. People see a perfectly legitimate proposal that is workable in every way – and reject it because they see “Sinn Féin” in the headline of the article. Good political decisions are good political decisions, irrespective of who suggests them.

    Get over this archaic tribal way of thinking, and let’s start fixing this place. Fine Gael supporters are amongst the most irrational in this country, to a level which is dangerous to the future of the state. Just look at the comments in this thread, ad hominems, red herrings and down-right lies.

    If you ask me 40% is too high, but at least it’s a start. Shame on the Government.

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    • “and reject it because they see “Sinn Féin” in the headline of the article.”

      This is a problem that Sinn Fein have to solve for themselves. Sinn Fein try to blame everyone else because of the negitave opinion most people have of them. Irish people don’t have as short a memory as Sinn Fein like to think they have and most people believe Sinn Fein leaders have blood on their hands. Whether they have or not only Sinn Fein supporters know for sure and if they have most Sinn Fein supporters don’t care and they will support them anyway.

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  • Why should we care about the viability of a sector which leeches off the most vulnerable in society? What is the Labour party’s view? Why not lower interest rate to 100% in year one, 75% in year two, 50% in year three and 40% in year four?

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  • Alangb 18/07/12 #

    Ha Ha fuc*in hilarious ……… The headline should read Government to support bill to increase money lenders interest rates ……………………. Dooohhh

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  • There used to be usery laws which prohibited predatory lending practices. What a strange day is is when the government, whom you are paying, has the sheer unmitigated gall to stand and defend such practices as necessary for the viability of the sector.
    “They need to be able to stick their hands deep in your pockets”. Otherwise, they’ll be driven out of business, and you’ll have no one to turn to but the criminals.
    And 20 years ago, the criminals were charging 20%. Who are the criminals now?

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  • That Brian Hayes is some adept waffler. I had no idea the money industry was so ‘labour intensive’ that extortionate and exploitative rates were the only way they could do business.

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  • A good idea, which yet again is being rejected because SF proposed it and the government refuse to support anything put forward by their opponents. It’s about power and aesthetics to them, but while they are playing these games poor working people are getting harassed, bullied and even beaten up by moneylenders that prey on their hardship and misery. This can be ignored, however, as long as their power and influence is secure? Are we to believe FG/Labour are now on the side of the bullyboy moneylender, who charges 200%+ for loans to our most vulnerable? Given their actions in Europe over the last twelve months, it would hardly be a surprise though, would it? This is more shambolic and shameful stuff from a truly inept government. The poor will suffer to keep these aged men in fancy suits. The urgency of their problems, and the calls for action by MABS and social justice groups, can be ignored and marginalised, so as to get one up on Sinn Fein? Our defeated and dejected state deserves better than this lot. That much is clear.

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  • Was that the 8.000 he used to take people of the dole?

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    • Fagan's 17/07/12 #

      When the media saw that it was his own money that he used rather than tax payer funds, they dropped the story immediately yet as always never updated the public. Mud thrown, job done.

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  • Jeff are you stuck in a screen from the quiet man.

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  • I’m not a sf supporter but I’m with them 100% on this. If anything it’s not ambitious enough

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  • Once again, the boys and girls of Sinn Fein are grateful to the FG and Labour for continually driving voters into their waiting arms.
    Can we get you FG boys a latte or a cappuccino on the house? How about a nice shiny Easter Lily pin? How about some complimentary tickets to the big GPO celebration in 2016? That should be a real SF block party with you boys all looking for jobs.

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  • Barry 18/07/12 #

    I thought that these money lenders were ones who supply short term loans? Like ones that last less than month and that’s why they charge the high APR because it wouldn’t be sustainable to loan to people in that way without such a high rate. While it’s 210% annually the loans are repaid after a month or so, sonWhile the rate is high the actual amount your repaying isn’t huge? I dont mind the proposal but I can see if it is those that do monthly loans then It would make it unsustainable for a business to charge only 40%.

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    • mcbab 18/07/12 #

      Barry you have explained it well. Needs a bit of intelligence to understand this complex area.

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    • “13 of the EU’s 27 member states have legal caps on the interest which can be charged by licensed lenders – with Spain having a cap of 10 per cent APR, while Belgium’s upper limit stands at 19.5 per cent and France’s at 21.6 per cent.”

      Then how are these 13 countries able to make it work?

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  • SF throwing up an unworkable proposition in the hope of public support and in the confidence it would be shut down, before its inevitable failure.

    How could any group with such a low opinion of the public seek to represent us? What are they really playing at?

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    • Its not unworkable at all. Unregulated, unrestrained lending and borrowing is what has us in this mess and what has drove so many people towards moneylenders in the first place.

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    • Your hatred for s/f should not mean every time u see them mentioned you come in and just rubbish what they are saying judging by your comment I doubt you know or understand what your talking about ….. I refer you to the last part of the piece above it mentions 3 European country’s that hav caps under 25% …. S/f tryed to cap it at 40% and just because the government reject it you come on calling it a unworkable stunt . Wise up lad wise up

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    • @continent seamen …. Just a reminder that 220,700 people voted for s/fein last GE not to mention there vote in the 6 county’s ,,,,, and you say they don’t represent anyone .
      You and your likes and to be fair there’s a few of ye , keep on talkn because all u do is make them more determined ….. But also just so your aware anyone with so much hatred for another party generally feels threatened
      That the party they support is falling behind that’s why it gives us momentum …. He …. He

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    • @c simian please read the article again

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    • FG & Labour on the side of the leeching Moneylenders who exploit the poorest and most neglected in this Country – are we surprised at these people ?
      Rates charged by these sort of agencies is nothing short of extortion , fanned and encouraged by the Government Parties ! Shame on them.

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  • Did Pearse Doherty pay €8,000 back yet?

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  • Something the government have actually got right. The taxpayer is already bailing out too many lenders without more grubby hands out.
    Daft suggestion from SF.

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    • @sean o k please read article again

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    • Richard, I’m no fan of this government by any stretch, but this is one of the the few things they’ve got right.
      Impeding the ability of licensed money lenders to provide credit to borrowers will only benefit unlicensed money lenders.
      The state/taxpayer could be liable for loses incurred by moneylenders due to this legislation.
      Better to have licensed money lenders supplying credit (even if it’s at criminal rates) than criminals supplying credit at criminal rates.

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    • Did you ever think to ask how much the money lenders are paying for the money they lend? If I can get money at 6% and force you to pay 75% for it, it’s a tidy business, isn’t it? Lots of profit for lots of brown envelopes, eh?

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