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Opposition TDs slam government absence during Dáil mortgages debate

The fallout from the committee defeat meant there were no members of either Fine Gael or Labour present to debate bank interest rates.

The government benches in the Dáil were completely empty for several minutes during a debate on mortgage interest rates.
The government benches in the Dáil were completely empty for several minutes during a debate on mortgage interest rates.

OPPOSITION TDS this evening tried to have the business of the Dáil suspended in protest at the absence of TDs from the government side.

Members were debating a Fianna Fáil motion condemning the difference between the mortgage interest rates levied by various State-owned institutions, particularly Permanent TSB, when Shane Ross proposed a suspension of the Dáil, as there were no government ministers or backbenchers present.

The only government member in the house at the time was Fine Gael TD for Dublin South-Central, Catherine Byrne, who was acting as chairman for 15 minutes of the debate.

Byrne said she could not agree to a suspension of the House because there were still TDs awaiting an opportunity to speak on the motion, with Sinn Féin’s Michael Colreavy waiting his turn to speak.

When Fianna Fáil’s Michael McGrath then asked for a quorum count, wondering whether the minimum number of 20 people were present, Byrne was advised by the Clerk of the Dáil that a vote could not be taken, as the motion being discussed had been tabled by the opposition.

Byrne explained to the frustrated opposition benches that government ministers were unable to attend because of some unforeseen circumstances about which she knew little.

Many of the government side had been attending the weekly meeting of the Fine Gael parliamentary party, while other TDs were elsewhere discussing the fallout from this evening’s meeting of the Oireachtas finance committee, where the government was beaten in a vote for the first time since taking office.

Eventually proceedings continued when junior agriculture minister Shane McEntee returned to the chamber, offering sincere apologies for the emptiness on the government benches.

Independent TD Mattie McGrath condemned the government for what he described as a “lack of respect” for struggling homeowners, who he said were “waiting in the long grass” for the government TDs.

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  • david j 14/03/12 #

    Immature, childish & unprofessional. What are we paying these monkeys for?

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  • I have a TSB mortgage and it’s 5.1%. Almost 1.5% higher than BOI.
    All my enquiries and complaints have fallen on deaf ears. I’m really tempted to get a web site going where all us TSB mortgage holders can get together. Maybe we can stop paying TSB repayments and hold the money in an escrow account until the see a bit of sense and stop ripping us off. They could not give a shit about the mortgage holders because they know we cannot move it anywhere. So much for fair competition!

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    • Set it up Stephen set it up. Power to the people time to tell the useless government if they will not act in the interests of the people who elected them we will go around them and make them redundant. The fact there was not one member of the government in the chamber while a debate on the problem with mortgages was proceeding say it all. Ask your government TD why he was not in the chamber when the problems of the people was being discussed. He/She will be on 19 days holiday soon so you should be able to find them. Ask them and shame them.

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    • They have next Tuesday off. Because Monday isn’t long enough to get over the weekend.

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    • Stephen there is a group of us on the website askaboutmoney – come and join us! http://www.askaboutmoney.com/forumdisplay.php?f=113 – we are all PTSB customers, the more numbers we have the better our chances are of being heard – we have being pushing our TDs for answers on this for a while now and it is what prompted the Dail debate on the topic so we are starting to make some head way

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    • Punitive PTSB on Facebook

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    • @karen. It’s strange Karen. I put a thread on the site you mentioned, regarding withholding payment. Here there are 88 thumbs up and 2 down on The Journal, which suggests popular support. On the Askaboutmoney site, there are 110 views and not one comment. Being a bit belligerent I can only assume that people agree with me but do not want to get their hand dirty. It’s seems ashame, our lives could be so much more enriched if only we could stop fearing the controls imposed upon us.

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  • “… that government ministers were unable to attend because of some developing events of which she was unaware.”

    Wonder what that means.

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  • ”Byrne explained to the frustrated opposition benches that government ministers were unable to attend because of some developing events of which she was unaware”
    Well then if this was the case then The House should have been suspended.
    It is true what they say ….Information is power !

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  • Thundering Fu€king disgraces!

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  • Figures on the amount of suicides caused by each one of these corrupt banks should be published immediately!

    These corrupt banks ignore their loyal paying customers on a daily basis.

    Now our ”Government” have decided to ignore these poor people.

    If this goes on, they’ll be going to even more of these unfortunate people’s funerals to shake hands.

    Disgusting!!

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  • Toureag 14/03/12 #

    Unbelievable……their fates are in my hand in next general election!

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  • gangsters they dont give a shit that were all up to our eyes in negative equity and living in glorified portaloo’s. They all live in savage houses paid off years ago so let them eat cake would be their mantra!! They keep this up they’l be dragged out of the Dail.

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  • This government do not live in the real world… Like judges they are so far removed from society that they don’t know there arse from there elbow…… Mortgages huh… Interest whats????? They couldn’t care less..!!!

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  • Banana parliament in a banana republic. Only in Ireland would such nonsense be tolerated. Idiots!!!

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  • jimbo 14/03/12 #

    the government only care about their own pockets and dont give a fcuk about us

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  • This effects 80,000 ppl minimum and they don’t care. ow.ly/1IohXl
    Similar to Priory Hall owners who are still waiting to meet the Taoiseach. he uses the back door to dodge them at the start of the week. This has been going on for nearly 6 months now. Absolutely shocking stuff.
    Would it be fair to say they don’t care?

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  • CMD 14/03/12 #

    The point is they have such a large majority they know they are safe for another 4 years at least. And in 4 years time there will be a huge number who will not even remember tonight. So there is a good chance they’ll get in again. That’s why they dont give fcuk. They don’t have to – the little people can rant and rave but I’m all right Enda or Eamonn.

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  • They don’t give a crap about anything other than what they are being told to do from Brussels. Simple as that really. You’d think that with the amount of criticism being levelled at the government recently; that they’d at least make an effort to pretend that they care about national issues, but they can’t even do that. I wish there was a general election tomorrow.

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  • That’s absolutely shameful.

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  • Then we have our extra budget the Germans told us about but we wont find out about that till after the referendum !! If banks dropped rates altogether people would have no problem paying their mortgage and maybe the economy could move a bit . But banks want to make money

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  • We’re stuck with ulster bank ..I think they have the highest variable rate at the moment… The government tried to tell them to reduce their rates and the bank told them to take a run and jump…what I would like to know is where has this guy Matthew Elderfield gone..he is supposed to be keeping the banks in line as Financial regulator…

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  • Enda was getting a round in at the Dail bar most likely

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  • This Government have become the Repoman for Corrupt Bankers.

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  • There were in the f****k**g bar!

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  • Ubelivable I mean its a national government at the moment. they control something like 2/3 of the dail and they can only muster 2 tds? As gurdiev will tell you household debt is a big reason why the domestic economy is lifeless not to mention the misery its inflicting on tens of thousands of families. How depressing. This wont be on the front of the papers, this wont bring down the government this will be forgotten. Ireland youve gotten what you deserve ;-(

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  • For the last 4 years day in, day out all you hear from the media is.

    ”Negative Equity is not a problem as long as you can pay your Mortgage each month”

    Bleeding these innocent people of their last few Euro!!

    Central London sized Mortgages on Shoebox flats, in half built ghost estates, in West Dublin?

    In a country where the insolvency laws were written in the days of slavery?

    How did this happen?

    Don’t pay the Household Charge?

    It’s time for an all out Mortgage Strike!!

    Before there are anymore needless suicides!!!

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  • They will be off soon for the 3 week Easter break Good love them.

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  • Just shows as if it were needed FG/LAB don’t give a penny candle about people…just gives more reason to never vote in a general election again…pack of utter wasters!!!

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  • Christ Almighty, I didn’t realise Irish people electing Ninjas.

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  • Writing down the mortgages in the elephant in the dail and the government don’t want to know about the plight of ordinary people mired in strangling debt I can no longer support my mortgage because I lost my job but I’m still expected to pay a boom mortgages there were two people in this relationship

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    • Sorry to read that. Stay strong and chase your local government TD every day, Anytime he steps out of the ivory tower in Leinster House ask him or her what are you doing for Ireland? Your local TD’s will be on a 19 day holiday shortly find them and ask them what are they doing for the Irish citizen.

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  • LAWLORD 15/03/12 #

    Another example of unaccountable government
    The excuses I’ve heard in relation to this is kids stuff akin to the dog eat my homework

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  • Absolute disgrace and it seems Edna & Co use the Dail when it suits them, perhaps there was another joint photo op for our intrepid government partners. The longer this dail session goes on, the less being actually achieved by this government becomes more evident, all that appears to be happening of late is continuous self slaps on the backs by various government ministers who I note, continue to avail of chauffeur driven cars in and out of the dail, so much for tightening belts and leading by example. It was left, yet again to the central bank Governor to lecture the banks on the mortgage crisis yesterday.

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  • PTSB dug the hole and get to keep the shovel!!! Government make me sick………..

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