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Poll: Should the words ‘fianna fáil’ be dropped from the national anthem?

THE GOVERNMENT has ruled out the prospect of changing the national anthem to remove the words ‘fianna fáil’ from the opening line, after calls from TDs to consider editing the words.

Independent Maureen O’Sullivan and Fine Gael backbencher Derek Keating had both suggested changing the lyrics so that they did not include the name of a political party, with Keating also asking for a review of the Defence Forces’ ‘FF’ logo.

Ministers say they won’t entertain such requests, however, because the most common Irish translation of Amhrán na bhFiann was written in 1917 – nine years before Éamon de Valera left Sinn Féin to set up his political party, Fianna Fáil.

There is no official Irish language translation of the anthem, however, because the State only owns the copyright to the music and the original English lyrics written in 1907 by Peadar Kearney and Patrick Heeney.

But with the prominence of the political party of the same name – and with no ‘official’ Irish words to change – should we bring in a formal version that don’t include the words ‘fianna fáil’?

Should the words ‘fianna fáil’ be dropped from the National Anthem?


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No plans to remove ‘Fianna Fáil’ from anthem or Defence Forces logo, says govt

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    Ridiculous!

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    • JustDieter 05/02/12 #
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      What a pretty face and beautiful Gaelic name….indeed, these are the jesters and traitors which give away more of your country and sovereignty daily. When you take your country and republic back, which you will, then your anthem will echo throughout the world and your stand will be celebrated for generations to come. All of which can be achieved without a hand being raised, violence is to be abhorred, simple mathematics and numbers in motion is all that will be necessary when the time comes.

    • Tony Skillington 05/02/12 #
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      I agree…stupid suggestion. National anthem is well above this kind of thing….no matter what names are in it (I’m totally anti FF by the way)

    • Eileen Gabbett 05/02/12 #
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      I agree . Ridiculous suggestion .Do these politicians have nothing better to
      do with their time and efforts . The words Fianna Fail is part of the song. I
      too am very much anti FF ailures… We have more important issues to consider.
      Do not allow them to distract you . Do not allow them to divide you .

      As JustDieter says : —-
      .”… When you take your country and republic back, which you will, then your anthem will echo throughout the world and your stand will be celebrated for generations to come. All of which can be achieved without a hand being raised, violence is to be abhorred, simple mathematics and numbers in motion is all that will be necessary when the time comes”…….

      Stand up ,shout out enough is enough . Don’t register , don’t pay the house hold charge.
      We can achieve if we all stand together :)

    • Eric Davies 05/02/12 #
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      why not make the political party change it’s name instead? my suggestion for “re-branding” the name of the party is just to remove the first part (fianna) from the present name, and leave the last part (fail) in place, as this would sum up the party perfectly.

    • Tim Henchin 05/02/12 #
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      Get rid of the collective of criminals and traitors that are FF. They are the problem not the name.

  • The kop 05/02/12 #
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    We don’t need a poll….. We need an election!

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    • David Murphy 05/02/12 #
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      And who would we elect? I have to say I am disappointed that there is not some worthy new political party or two growing out of this mess.

    • olive tierney 05/02/12 #
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      The Kop, great comment!!!!

    • Michael Cuthbert 05/02/12 #
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      An election is a poll. Just saying…

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      @ David Murphy

      The Irish Dempcratic Party?

      http://www.IDP.ie

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      * Irish Democratic Party.

    • Michael Cuthbert 05/02/12 #
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      May be there’s another way, David. Party politics is failing us. Seems to be something deep in the psyche that makes us look for new messiahs; new leaders to get us out of the latest mess. Reckon we can do it ourselves. Maybe removing fianna fáil from the song isn’t the answer. However…

    • Réada Quinn 05/02/12 #
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      Good man Michael. We don’t need leaders. A bit of inspiring talk is great but we have to stop looking for surrogate mammies and daddies. Time to stand on our own two feet. Consensus would be nice.

    • Kirk Delaney 05/02/12 #
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      @Consensus would be nice

      Why? Why must we have consensus every time. We need decision driven leadership. We need leaders that are willing to make and implement the decisions that are necessary to turn this country(not just the economy) around. A government that does not bow down to the unions who have played their part in slowing this country down to a grinding halt

    • Nick Caffrey 05/02/12 #
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      David Murphy: “Who would we elect?” This is the kind of unimaginitive, hopeless, handwringing, fatalist attitude that has brought us to where we are.
      On this tiny island, it doesn’t matter who you elect; you are not going to get anything different until every party has been so beaten by the electorate that they daren’t keep up the tribal habits of the past.
      If you keep on doing what you do, you’ll keep on getting what you got!
      Vote for anybody, but not the people who were there last time.

    • Nick Caffrey 05/02/12 #
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      Réada: Consensus gave us unremitting FF. Consensus gave us the property bubble. Before that, consensus gave us the dotcom bust.
      Consensus gives mediocrity in the long term. There is a time for leadership!

    • michael cuthbert 05/02/12 #
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      Decision driven leadership. WTF is that. Smurfit business school speak, me thinks. Sorry. No offence. But really…

    • Nick Caffrey 05/02/12 #
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      michael cuthbert: But really… What?

    • michael cuthbert 05/02/12 #
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      Really WTF?

  • Marion White 05/02/12 #
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    fianna fail should be dropped from a cliff

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  • Kevin Maughan 05/02/12 #
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    It would be a travesty if the anthem was changed.

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  • Report this comment

    Yes and Beyonce should do the new version.

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  • Donal Lynch 05/02/12 #
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    Is this the 1st of April??

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  • Jason Mcginn 05/02/12 #
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    Get a grip people. What’s next.. Banning the Irish language coz ze Germans don’t recognise it??

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  • Craig O Toole 05/02/12 #
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    its a childish suggestion

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  • Brenda Flewelling 05/02/12 #
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    Would someone tell me what is the English translation of ‘fianna fáil’.I put it in Google translator and it says “deer found” doesnt really make sense to me!

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    • Jimmy Dunphy 05/02/12 #
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      Fianna Fail in Phoenix Park !!!

    • michael mcgahon 05/02/12 #
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      It translates as “Bent Politicians” from the old Celtic era…… It actually means “soldiers of destiny” and stop laughing….

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      Na Fianna were an ancient band of warriors charged with defending Ireland under the leadership of Fionn McCool. Fianna as a word has come to mean soldier as a result. Fáil as a stand alone word means destiny however, Inis Fáil was an old name for Ireland. Therefore Fianna Fáil can mean both Soldiers of Ireland and Soldiers of Destiny.

    • Justin Casey 05/02/12 #
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      Fianna Fáil literally means “mercenaries of the stone penis”. The Fianna feature in Irish mythology in the Fenian Cycle and were a band of mercenaries and sometimes outlaws and bandits. The Fál is a stone phallus at Tara which was an important fertility symbol in ancient Ireland. (This was before that sort of thing was banned with the onslaught of the alien cult of Christianity.) Ireland became known as Inis Fáil but the true meaning of Fál became obscured/suppressed.

    • Peter Kavanagh 05/02/12 #
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      Soldiers of Destiny.

    • Michael O'Riordan 05/02/12 #
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      there’s enough shite on the sand without adding to it marion dropping them off the edge of the world now that would be something if we could only find it

    • Michael O'Riordan 05/02/12 #
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      the translation “deer found” could always be changed to read deer or dear or “expensive find” or indeed “expenses found” then all we need to do is to claim for them the expenses i mean!!!!! thanks brenda

  • Shawn McCourt 05/02/12 #
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    Maybe it’s time to change the anthem altogether? It has never been an appropriate song for a country that prefers music and peace to the march of the war drums, or the ‘roar’ and ‘peal’ of ‘cannons’ and ‘rifles’…After all, Ireland is the only country in the world whose flag has long portrayed a musical instrument, the harp, a classical symbol of peace.
    That would be a good poll for the Journal too- ‘What song should replace Amhran na bhFiann as modern Ireland’s national anthem?’

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      If you think that Amhrán na bhFiann is bad, check out La Marseillaise, which was quite rightly originally called “Chant de guerre pour l’Armée du Rhin” (War song for the Army of the Rhine).

      Ireland has had a pretty bloody history. Just because things seem fine and dandy now, doesn’t mean that we should try and deny the sacrifices made for our sake by those in the distant past.

    • Shawn McCourt 05/02/12 #
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      Yes, and the French still rise up in anger frequently, if their daily public strikes are anything to go by. Ireland rose only 7 times in as many centuries against tyranny.. Surely, that demonstrates a national reluctance to go to war? I’m not saying to deny history, but I am saying that most of these anthems (France’s included) are dated and need replacing, in concurrence with the ever-moving zeitgeist of the societies they are supposed to reflect. Anthems like La Marseillaise and Amhran na bhFian are hardly fitting material for ball games and other peacetime activities. Not all traditions need preserving, and we are better off without some.

    • Eileen Gabbett 05/02/12 #
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      Shawn :
      I have to disagree with you . Why should any of us deny our history ?
      Our past made us into who we are today , and it is my belief that it is
      because of that history ,people will not demonstrate ,or voice our opinions.
      We are afraid that we will be branded ”trouble makers”.
      It is not wrong to express your opinion,be it anger , disappointment , hurt, respect or even love ….

    • Shawn McCourt 05/02/12 #
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      Eileen, I’m not sure exactly what you are disagreeing with, as I don’t believe I was saying that we need to deny our history (read the passage again), but I was saying that such bloodthirsty anthems are inappropriate for peacetime activities. If we had songs that glorified peace, and all the blessings that flow from it, then perhaps humans would be less inclined to make war upon each other. History does not need to be forgotten (nor should it be), but the violence in our history need not be glorified. Instead, it should be seen for what it really is: a tragedy.

    • Réada Quinn 05/02/12 #
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      Shawn. There is nothing blood thirsty about our national anthem. It is actually very inclusive. Get a translation online. I love it.

    • EM 06/02/12 #
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      All,
      Don’t forget, the actual Anthem is only the chorus of Amhrán na bhFiann.

  • Ray Toomey 05/02/12 #
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    Are we actually paying those 2 idiots to represent us. Why the hell should we change our national anthem theirs fools in this country there real is. And what will we replace the national anthem with blarney was a dinosaur or some other ridiculous song with no meaning and lets change the DF cap badge to a love heart or something like that so all the PC brigade are happy. I’d love to know what some people are smoking ,absolute #ull#hit

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    The version I learnt in school was Sinne Laochra Fáil.

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  • Colm Flaherty 05/02/12 #
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    Considering the anthem came before the party, it’s the “Fianna Fail” party that needs to change its name.

    Suggestions anyone?

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  • Gerard Fogarty 05/02/12 #
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    Fascist much?

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    “Amhrán na bhFiann was written in 1917 – six years before Éamon de Valera left Sinn Féin to set up his political party, Fianna Fáil.”

    Fianna Fáil were founded at the La Scala theatre in Dublin in 1926, 9 years after Amhrán na bhFiann was written.

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    • Gavan Reilly 05/02/12 #
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      Thanks Eoin – I hadn’t that mistake in the earlier piece, I don’t know what got into my head putting the poll together. Amended now.

    • Shanti Om 05/02/12 #
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      Gavan, perhaps the poll should be
      “Should Fianna Fail have to rename their party out of respect for the National Anthem” as suggested above!!

  • Ciaro 05/02/12 #
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    Derek keating, former FAS supervisor, member of Fianna fail, member of the progressive democrats, member of fine Gael.
    age: 56
    Favourite song: I still haven’t found what I’m looking for!

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    Stupid idea, put forward by people who should be working on getting the country back on its feet. The Defence Forces’ emblem traces its lineage from the Irish Volunteers and the beginnings of Irish freedom…..would the TDs rewrite history as well???

    This is tripe, pure and simple

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    • Charlie Melia 05/02/12 #
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      Well I suppose they’ve had their queen over for a visit… Maybe she suggested to them that they change the anthem…

    • Eileen Gabbett 05/02/12 #
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      Charlie Melia ….
      What an utterly childish comment .

    • Réada Quinn 05/02/12 #
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      Gooh point Charlie. Keating is a member of the Irish branch of the Tory party. Goes under the name of Fine Gael this side of the Irish Sea….

    • Eileen Gabbett 05/02/12 #
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      She(the queen) hardly suggested that Our Anthem should be changed .
      The Queens visit was organised long before Enda and co. took ”charge”
      That visit was organised well before the Gen Election. It was a State visit not a party political event .
      Réada, Yes FG are the Tory party here .

    • Charlie Melia 05/02/12 #
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      the queen???? Surely you mean their queen Eileen….. hmmm…. I see by your comments that if I don’t agree with you then I’m childish…. How very tollerant of you….

    • Eileen Gabbett 05/02/12 #
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      The Queen of England , She certainly is not my Queen .
      No you can disagree with me all you want ,but your comment (which I already said)
      is childish . You imply that The Queen of England ” suggested to them that they change the anthem…”
      thjis is the comment I think was a little childish , not that we have different opinions.

    • Réada Quinn 05/02/12 #
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      Jaysus Eileen. Would you leave Charlie alone. He’s getting an awful thumbbashing. I’m with you Charlie in this fight. ;)

    • Charlie Melia 05/02/12 #
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      :-) Happy man just stirrin’ it up…lol

    • Eileen Gabbett 05/02/12 #
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      Ah lad laqds , this is not a fight ….An exchange of different ideas …It keeps the ideas flowing.

    • Réada Quinn 05/02/12 #
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      Phew. Just getting over our last row Eileen. ;)

    • Eileen Gabbett 05/02/12 #
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      :) :)
      you know me I am just a kitten really at heart !
      Or my bark is worse than my bite !
      I am peace loving and enjoy a bit of exchange …:)

  • Keith Hoare 05/02/12 #
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    Under no circumstances should the national anthem be amended. It is what it is and its very purpose represents the spirit and resilience of the Irish people. You can’t change history and neither does the meaning of Amhrann Na Bhfiann.

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  • Bill Sisk 05/02/12 #
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    Fianna Fáil, the Sons of Destiny, predates the political party of the same name so maybe you should ask them to change their name! We have more important issues to concern us these days than this.

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  • Anthony Goring 05/02/12 #
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    The opening line of the anthem should be changed all together to “it’s peanut butter jelly time!”

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    • Shanti Om 05/02/12 #
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      My uncle used to always sing his own versions of songs when we were kids, and his version had something to do with how thermal underwear was a must while picking potatoes..

  • Réada Quinn 05/02/12 #
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    Make FF change their flipping name. Typical of them robbing the warriors of destiny tag from our national anthem. Our anthem should not be changed under any circumstances.

    Question for those who voted YES:
    Is it beyond us to stand our ground and stop bending the knee? Why do we continue to roll over?

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  • B7584 05/02/12 #
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    Typical Irish political small time bullshit.
    Im no fan of ANY party but this is just typical of the idiots that are in government/opposition. Morons.

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  • Barry Lynch 05/02/12 #
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    To reflect our new multicultural society and the increasing number of people arriving here every year to call this country home, and the increasong number of Irish people emigrating, the national anthem should be scrapped altogether and a new one should be written.
    The Irish language should also be scrapped except in Gaeltacht areas where we need it for tourism. It would make more sense to have our children taught Chinese or a European language instead. ( German and Polish would be very handy, but Bulgarian and Romanian will be necessities to prepare for 2014 ). One of the common African languages would also come in handy.
    We should also consider renaming the country too.
    Not sure on the numbers, but there are probably more people speaking Polish in Ireland everyday than Irish. If that’s the case, then we should make Polish the second official language after English. Having Irish as an official language here is a joke.

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    • Ray Toomey 05/02/12 #
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      No if they see themselves as Irish they should sing our anthem with pride once they get citizenship they are irish citizens it does not matter where they are from. Irish citizenship is very much sought after.many european countries are multicultural and its great but that does not mean a country should loose its identity, new citizens become part of the identity if Ireland.if you moved to America and became a citizen you would sing theirs,

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      Yeah, because every other country is forgetting their culture, who they are and where they came from to accommodate other nationalities? It’s ridiculous to suggest that we should do these things in order for people to feel welcome here, no other country is doing/being asked to do this! Is it not the diversity of the different cultures coming into Ireland mixed with ours that makes it multicultural? It’s essential for us to keep our culture alive otherwise it would just become one large false culture. perhaps you want us to become our neighbours? People like you should be shipped out!

    • Eileen Gabbett 05/02/12 #
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      Barry Lynch
      i have read and re read your comment and still cannot know if you are being serious or sarcastic .
      If you are serious then I am ashamed for you . I can feel your disillusionment tho and maybe you should start being more positive and fight back. !

    • Eric De Red 05/02/12 #
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      Yes what does any of this silly anthem mean anyhow? Replace it with something in a language actually spoken in Ireland, like English, Polish or even Chinese!

    • Shanti Om 05/02/12 #
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      I reckon we just need to look at how Irish is taught..
      I never had any love for Irish at school my teacher was boring and as a result so were the classes..
      I went out with a guy from Conemara and found the fact he conversed in Irish quite funny, it was only as I approached my 30s that I started to appreciate my own language more. It’s a very poetic and beautiful language, and the way it’s structured gives great insight into the Irish persona. I wish I could speak it now.

      Had I had an engaging and passionate teacher (perhaps if they’d been a native Irish speaker) I think I would have done better..

    • Paul Anthony Ward 05/02/12 #
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      @Barry: Is this a joke or a troll perhaps?
      Seriously asking…

    • Réada Quinn 05/02/12 #
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      Barry is real Paul. Shanti, very true.

  • Frank Dwyer 05/02/12 #
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    easier to just ban fianna fail from irish politics

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  • jimbo 05/02/12 #
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    Just put all of FF on a plane and drop them off in the bermuda triangle,PROBLEM SOLVED.

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  • James Pelow 05/02/12 #
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    Is this a joke?

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  • Shane Walsh 05/02/12 #
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    you all seem to forget the good things that FF have done in the past. No matter what party is in power there will always be ups and downs. Any Irish person should consider themselves lucky that our governments are not extreme murdering corrupt dictaterships. Dropping FF from our anthem is a pathetic suggestion.

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  • Brian Daly 05/02/12 #
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    O’Sullivan and Keating? first i’ve heard of them. I would have thought a year into their term that they would have more important things to do then question names that have been around since the foundation of the State. Journal.ie should check the report cards of this pair!

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  • Sandra Murphy 05/02/12 #
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    Our national anthem was not written to represent the people of today’s Fianna Fáil, nor does it represent Fine Gael or Labour. We changed the people who tried to sully a great country. Changing our national anthem is not the answer because that beautiful song is there and reminds us of our courage to overcome evils and traitors. I respect the anthem, and if truth be known, it’s about the one thing left from Old Ireland today that has true value.

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  • 05/02/12 #
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    The Irish Army cap badge has at its centre the words Fianna Fáil (Sons of Destiny) surrounded by the belt of bondage on which are the words Óglaig na hÉireann, Irish Volunteers, surrounded by the star of Hope and then the Sunburst of Victory. You will make no changes to this!

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  • Barry Lynch 05/02/12 #
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    The only Irish people that matter today, are those that are alive today.
    The Irish people of today are the ones who allow Fine Gael and Labour to remain in government even after they back tracked on every single election promise they made.
    The Irish people of today are the ones who are allowing this country to be sold off piece by piece to pay back a debt that we don’t owe.
    The Irish people of today would, in my view anyway, be a huge disappointment to the people who gave their lives to ensure that Irish people would be able determine the destiny of this country.
    The Irish people of today are the ones that are responsible for the state of this country when it is handed over to the Irish people of tomorrow.

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    • Eileen Gabbett 05/02/12 #
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      Well then Barry , I suggest that YOU stand up and be counted .Change starts with each individual.
      You along with me and all the thousands of others join voices, and as Michael Collins said ”All we have left is our refusal.” We can refuse to comply with unfair, unjust and unaffordable charges.

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      And do you think the people who died for Ireland would be proud of you? I’m sure quite the contrary!

    • William Lankstead 05/02/12 #
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      I think the people who died for Ireland are positively spinning in their graves!

    • Nick Caffrey 05/02/12 #
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      Séarlait McCann: The people who died ‘for Ireland’ are dead and don’t give a s….!

  • Barry Mulrooney 05/02/12 #
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    This trivial ridiculous matter is something that our politicians think they should spend their time on? I’m not even surprised any more.

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  • Paul O'Brien 05/02/12 #
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    It’s the wrong question. Even if we had a nation any more–which we don’t–it’s a crappy tune and it always was. When/if we ever recover our independence, the first item on the agenda should be a totally new national anthem.

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    • William Lankstead 05/02/12 #
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      How about the ‘Muppets’ theme song?…..

    • William Lankstead 05/02/12 #
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      It’s time to play the music
      It’s time to light the lights
      t’s time to meet the Muppets on the Muppet Show tonight.

      It’s time to put on makeup
      It’s time to dress up right
      It’s time to raise the curtain on the Muppet Show tonight.

      Why do we always come here
      I guess we’ll never know
      It’s like a kind of torture
      To have to watch the show

      And now let’s get things started
      Why don’t you get things started
      It’s time to get things started
      On the most sensational inspirational celebrational Muppetational
      This is what we call the Muppet Show!

      (Enda blows on his trumpet)

  • Glyn Carragher 05/02/12 #
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    Hopefully Leo Veradker and the Healy Reas will join this debate and cheer us all up.

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    It should be changed from Fianna Fail to Laochra Fail (not sure I spelled it correctly) It in no way invalidates the Anthem.

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  • William Lankstead 05/02/12 #
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    How about changing the words to “Deutschland Deutschland uber alles”………

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    • Eric Davies 05/02/12 #
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      if it has to be changed i’d suggest “irelands call” the one used for all the big rugby match’s, only knowing enda and the knobheads we’d end up with ole ole ole!

  • John Scott 05/02/12 #
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    did u ever here the like of this shit it wood answer these t d s to sort the country out is this what we pay these wasters for. also another shit head in kerry worried about the numbers plates on cars next year what a load of shit we have to pay for’ g
    GOD HELP US WHAT CAN WE DO

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  • Foggy Lad 05/02/12 #
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    the Dianna failed party should be outlawed and its corrupt members made examples if by having all their ill gotten assets stripped from them and their families!

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  • Philip Keane 05/02/12 #
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    change it to loch garman

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  • 05/02/12 #
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    in ulster you’ll hear laochra f

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  • Ciaran Mc Hugh 05/02/12 #
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    Derek Keating you are a reasonable guitarist, but, not a very effective representative just like a lot of your colleauges. So many of you trivialise real politics. Bear in mind you are all grossly over paid for what you do, there are people who have to be on duty up to 14 hours a day to earn in a week what you get in a day, and I’m not even counting your grossly extended holidays. It makes your outrage at the cut backs rather disingenous. Even the Independant (stephan donnelly) was forced to with draw his proposed legislation so that your party can claim credit for it on the promise that it will be included in the government’s own proposal.

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    Drop it, We need a real anthem not a soldiers song. I hate our national Anthem and would refuse to sing it.

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      Also it should be in english as, lets face it Irish is useless and we should have our children growing speaking European languages not a dead language that is redundant.

  • Graham Mace 05/02/12 #
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    Keep the anthem, drop the party!

    And @Ruaidhri, the anthem is just fine as gaelige. It’s the last thing right now which we can call our own before we have to sing Deutschland Uber Alles or (even worse) God Save the Bloody Queen.

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      Yawn… save it Ruadhri Maxwell! Your self-hating rubbish is tired and outdated. If you dont like our language or culture, go somewhere else. I’m tired of listening to colonised muppets like yourself.

    • Eric De Red 05/02/12 #
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      Yawn … Save it Proinsias! The language is dead.

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      I am neither self-hating nor outdated, I am zeitgeist in this opinion we need to secure a future for our children on a global stage, without teaching the real European languages for primary level we are failing in that task. Our song reflects our past which is very definitley not our future. We do not speak irish day to day nor do we go about using violence to acheive our goals. Leave this nonsense in the past where it belongs, if people want to learn Irish they can do it in their own time. It’s a hobby nothing more. We will never move on as a society until we can accept that 1916 and other events are the same as terrorsits up north or in other countries. Why have songs to remind us of our bloddy past which says nothing for the inclusive more liberal minded people we’ve become. Lose the bog talk and lose the song.

    • michael cuthbert 05/02/12 #
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      Sfunny Graham. That a Spanish guitar?

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      What’s the problem with the spanish guitar Michael? Should we change the name to a European guitar perhaps? You are bad to the bone Michael cuthbert

    • Michael Cuthbert 05/02/12 #
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      Hehe…

    • Tracey Cantillon 05/02/12 #
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      When I learned the national anthem it was Sinn a Laochra fail not Fianna, I am confused as to when it changed

    • michael cuthbert 05/02/12 #
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      Jish. Ye Northies are worse than us west Brits…

  • Spud Byrne 05/02/12 #
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    There should be an “I don’t care” option. Because I don’t.

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    Our national language is not dead. People in Russia are,learning it & Des Bishop is a perfect example. It is a beautiful language to listen to. I wish i could speak it properly. If all the anti irish language commenters could speak it you would understand its value. It is now our only identity difference between us & the English

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  • Bob McShane 05/02/12 #
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    An alternative is “Laochra Fáil”, I’ve heard it a fair bit in Donegal.

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  • Justin Casey 05/02/12 #
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    Anthem
    by Randolph Healy

    Sheen a fin with oil
    A tall failed owl egg roaring
    Beaned arse loo
    Hard town dull redneck cooing
    Fair void we share
    Chant here our shins’ hair faster
    Knee hog fur fine here enough faint trawl
    An auk to aim save our naff whale
    Begone Argyle cowboy’s shoe nail
    Leg on ask rake fey lark nobble air
    Surely corny our awning veal.

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  • The kop 05/02/12 #
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    oh for god sake… will people ever get a grip….. whats all this rubbish about us having to change everything about our nation so all the multi nationals living in the country feel more welcomed… the country is called IRELAND… we have an anthem,a flag and a language… when you arrive in the country the sign in the airport says Failte…. so your welcome from the minute you arrive… the club is called IRELAND…if you join the club you play by the rules…
    try going to America and saying…. sorry i dont like the name of the country or the anthem you sing… i dont feel very welcomed by it…id say you’d be told…”well the plane you arrived on will take you back from where you came from”….

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      @Eric de Red
      Maybe dead to you Eric! Not to me :-)

    • Eric De Red 05/02/12 #
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      @Proinsias
      The language is your hobby and you are most welcome to it. However the language is not the language of the people and the state’s anthem should reflect this.

    • Bernadette Dunne 06/02/12 #
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      @The kop well said and this has been a problem for years. We are a nation in our own right and the sooner we accept this we will rise above this doom and gloom. I am very proud to be Irish I am proud of My Irish Flag and when i hear My National Anthem played where ever I Always stand 10foot tall At the moment i am not proud of the Government and they way they are behaving and bringing the Irish to our knees at home and abroad

  • Shane Cahill 05/02/12 #
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    I often favour the words ‘sinne laochra fáil’. This alternative interpretation has been knocking around since 1938 or so. I suppose it should be added that the current official line pre-dates the formation of Fianna Fáil the political party and is thus unconnected to them. I voted yes in the poll, but in reality I don’t believe that it makes a huge difference. I don’t associate the lyric with the political party and therefore it presents no great issue for me in the first place.

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  • Barry Lynch 05/02/12 #
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    My nephew at 4 years old is learning Irish and Religion in school.
    What a waste of time and potential.
    Children at that age have brains like sponges and provided the material is given to them in a way they can digest, they can learn nearly anything.
    Polish is the unofficial 2nd language of this country after English, and Irish is something we just keep for the tourists, so, unless children are living in Gaeltacht areas, they should be taught Polish instead.
    Learning prayers is useless too. No religion whatsoever should be taught in any schools funded by the government using tax payers money. Religion should be kept completely separate from school. If people want to brainwash their children, then they should do it themselves at the weekends.

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      Oh dear, we do have issues….this was angry young msn stuffin the seventies.Attacking Irish and religion is a bit like kicking fallen masonry these days. Get relevant.

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      That’s an unusual name prions, where are you from. My guess is Moldova, maybe Bilgaria?

    • EM 06/02/12 #
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      “Polish is the unofficial 2nd language of this country after English, … they should be taught Polish instead.”

      Stupidest suggestion I have heard in some time.

  • Nigel Kenny 05/02/12 #
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    As someone who has never voted for Fianna Fail and is likely to never do so, i think this is a preposterous proposal.All it is is a bunch of words we now, unfortunately, rarely speak coinciding with the name of a political party.

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  • Sean Higgins 05/02/12 #
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    How the f**k does religion get dragged into every topic that is discussed on the Journal, for people who claim not to want anything to do with it you seem to talk about it a lot …………. Next please

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  • Mick Early 05/02/12 #
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    Leave it to the Blueshirts! Every year there is some new idea out of the depths of Blueshirt self-loathing(can’t blame them in way, if I was a Blueshirt I’d loathe myself too!) to drop/change/replace the National Anthem. Can’t they just accept the face that the vast majority of Irish people like and accept the Anthem as it is.
    Do you ever hear this revisionist crap coming from the States or Britain(excluding Scotland and Wales of course) or France or Canada?
    If these chancers want to run for office, let them get the finger out and do waht they were elected to do-govern! Otherwise just shut up!!

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  • Kevin Kelliher 05/02/12 #
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    FF should change their name. they should not be shown the respect of changing lyrics of the anthem

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  • Ultan Quirke 05/02/12 #
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    It’s all about context. The words fianna fail in the anthem are not a reference to the party, so it is a non-issue in my opinion. Context is everything. No-one can claim that every time the word republican is mentioned it is a reference to the US republican party, so this should be the same.

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  • Cormac McCann 05/02/12 #
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    I cannot believe we voted in the government and they actually had the cheek to even suggest something that nobody cares about! keep the anthem! go and debate proper bloody issues!

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  • Frank2521 06/02/12 #
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    We should stop sponsoring Irish as it is a real luxury. The language won’t die as people who love it will keep it alive. The anthem is another thing that should be in English and lets move on.

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  • Paul Wallace 06/02/12 #
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    I can’t see why we can’t use “God save the Queen”

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  • Dean Counts 06/02/12 #
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    frank what is your constant issue in post after post with our people’s native language? did you fail Irish? you are one of those self loathing Irish who wish they were English, please vacate Ireland for your beloved England.

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  • Ciaran FitzGerald 06/02/12 #
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    The Shinners have been singing “Laochra Gael” in the song for years instead of “Fianna Fáil”

    Don’t really see it as an issue whether it’s official or not… if people want to sing a slightly different lyric let them at it… The fact that it isnt official hasn’t stop Sinn Féin from basterdising the song for years at party conferences!

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  • EM 06/02/12 #
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    Here’s a better idea…get rid of Fianna Fáil and while we’re at it Fine Gael. Old tribal politics have failed us!

    p.s. leave the anthem alone, it’s perfectly fine as it is. When it comes to raising passions before a rugger match or on All-Ireland day in Croker Amhrán na bhFiann does the job very well!

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  • The kop 06/02/12 #
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    it’s perfect for raising passions before a rugby match….. and then we have Ireland’s call to deflate them again….
    what rubbish……

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  • Niall Carty 06/02/12 #
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    The FF party that is being represented in the song bear no representation of the shower of wankers that ruined this country 2day… They would of been executed back in the day for betraying their country and greed.
    The FF should not be written out because of the situation 2day..

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