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ESB not cutting power to Priory Hall complex

Residents had expressed concern that cutting off power would lead to further deterioration of the condition of their homes.

THE ESB HAS said that it is not cutting power to the Priory Hall complex in Donaghmede.

Former residents had expressed concern that the power was to be disconnected from the complex, potentially causing further damage to their homes.

However a spokesperson for ESB  this afternoon said has said there were “no plans” to disconnect the supply.

The electricity supply to common areas within the complex was cut off in November following a lack of payment to a separate energy supplier.

Private residents were ordered to evacuate the Donaghmede complex four months ago over concerns that it did not meet necessary fire safety standards.

Residents are now being housed in alternative accommodation by Dublin City Council, but the council has gone to court to argue that it does not have the money to continue providing the alternative housing.

Minister for the Environment Phil Hogan has repeatedly said it would be ‘inappropriate’ for him to meet with the former residents of the complex.

Developer Thomas McFeely who was behind the complex has been declared bankrupt in England and an application pursuing bankruptcy against him in Ireland has been adjourned.

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Comments (39 Comments)

  • This country is really turning into the dump Eamonn Dunphy described it to be. I believe people are still paying mortgages on these properties. I can tell you one thing for an absolute fact……… if the developer, the architect, the engineers, the council, the government or the insurance companies can shirk out of responsibilities then I certainly wouldn’t be paying my mortgage. What an absolutely disgraceful way to treat the people of this land.

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    • These people are thinking about there credit history (I guess). What would happen if they did stop paying there mortgage? Would they get a bad credit history? if so these people are fucked no matter what, if DCC win there court case what then for these people. My heart goes out for them. That builder should be in jail.

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    • Absolutely right, the residents should walk away from the mortgage, and then the they should collectively sue the builder, the state and whoever else is responsible for this fiasco. Any court that does not find in their favour should be taken to the European Court if the need arises.

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  • I’d love to know why Hogan thinks it would be inappropriate to meet the residents? Surely that would be the MOST appropriate thing to do. The government took stamp duty off these people and now absolve themselves of any responsibility?

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  • These people need the support of the country as this should be seen as a moral test case as to how ordinary people are treated by greedy, incompetent, gamblers and decision makers. Enough is enough.

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  • @John, why should we have to pay for something twice? if DCC had been doing their job, in the first place, this would never have happened? Your “couple” of thousand is actually 39,000 per apartment as a starting figure.
    It is in everyone’s interest to find a solution, particularly, the residents. I have two small children and myself and my neighbours have been living out of suitcases for the past four months. In my opinion, the only people searching for a solution is ourselves. Have you seen Priory hall first hand? If not, pay a visit, you can say when you read the history books that you where there at one of the most dangerous “modern” builds in our lifetime. Don’t tell me, if your house fell down, you wouldn’t pursue the builder!

    “Dublin City Council as the Building Control Authority carried out no
    building control inspections prior to the development being occupied.
    Despite clear warning signs that there were problems with the
    development, such as the Health and Safety Authority action in the High
    Court in 2006, where Priory Hall was described as “one of the most
    unsafe sites” the inspector had ever visited the Council chose not to
    carry out their own inspections.

    Dublin City Council as the Fire Safety Authority carried out no fire
    safety inspections prior to the development being occupied. In addition
    despite being aware of the problems in 2009, when they moved their own
    tenants out, 256 residents including 87 children were left living in
    severe risk to their lives for almost 2 years in a development so
    dangerous that Chief Fire Officer Donal Casey told the president of the
    High Court a fire could spread throughout an entire block within
    minutes.”
    Also John, I am a tax payer too!!

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    • I find it difficult to believe that the fire stopping for one apartment could cost 39k; somebody is cashing-in here, big time. Typical cost of building an apartment in the boom times was reputed to be about 100k; is it logical that 40% of this cost was fire stopping?
      My sympathies are with the buyers, but the reality is that this is nobody’s business but the owners’ . What about buyers’ surveyors? Did they give the apartments clean bills of health? If anyone bought a property for several hundred grand and didn’t have it surveyed, then that is reckless and why should it be the problem of the rest of society? If it was surveyed, and an inaccurate report submitted, then the redress is with the surveyor’s insurance company.
      Hogan has responsibilities around good governance, and he is right not to get involved, bitter and all a taste as it leaves for the embattled owners. The days of politicians promising things that they have no right to deliver are not altogether over, but at least Hogan has the guts not to take the easy course and spout platitudes to a group of owners.
      Whether you like it or not, the solution will have to come from the owners getting together and doing the fire stopping themselves. Some of this work can be done by the people themselves at weekends and evenings, and the rest will have to be subcontracted. The other option is to keep wearing away at the corporation and trying to get society as a whole to pay the inflated prices mentioned to put things right.
      Don’t get me wrong; I feel for the unfortunate people stuck in this mess, but the more that people are truthful with you, the quicker this will be fixed.

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    • John, It goes to show how much you actually know about priory hall, if you think Fire stopping is the only problem here.
      In October we received a comprehensive snag list, it is eighteen pages long and I think horrified everyone who read it. This list was compiled by engineers on behalf of DCC. The problems stem from the very foundations, the walls and roof in the basement where found to be defective, structurally unsound and contains pyrite, external wall panels must be removed and replaced, steel supports in staircases are rusted, ventilation pipes need to be replaced, large parts of the roof need to be replaced as they are defective, gas and electrical installations are defective, the buildings need waterproofing.
      The list goes on and on, but I am sure you’re getting the picture as to where the 39,000 needs to be invested.
      When we applied for our mortgage, the bank sent a surveyor to Priory hall and obviously gave it a “clean bill of health”. Also on that, DCC with all the best of engineers, architects etc at their disposal, failed to see the problems listed above and handed out 5 MILLION EURO of tax payers money to Coalport when purchasing 20 of these doomed apartments.
      We are not looking for a free ride, we are not trying to get out of our mortgages, we did everything by the book, when it seems everyone else did not
      Minister Hogan has a duty to protect his citizens and his excuses are pathetic. I am sure if one of his family members had purchased here, he’d be down on site now. His excuse is that we are in court.
      We the residents are not in court, It is DCC Vs Mc Feely.

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  • Fucking Disgrace!!!

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  • These people have done nothing wrong and deserve assistance…
    They bought in good faith and have been shafted by the builder and now by Dublin corporation and the government.
    Quiet simply Phil Hogan you are a disgrace..

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  • Should NAMA not let them all live in one of the hotels (or some place similar) it currently has in it’s possession? Save the council money and keep their community together so they can fight injustice.

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  • Dave, isn’t that the whole injustice of it. All of those mentioned above can avoid responsibiity without recourse while the victim gets even deeper in it by defending himself in the only way he can.

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  • @John – the external walls of the building need to be removed and rebuilt at a minimum, not to mention the internal work that needs doing. Your suggestion that owners carry out this work on a 4/5 storey building at weekends and evenings is laughable.

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    • Bryan, that’s not what I said.
      There’s a lot of internal labour-intensive work like fitting collars etc that could be done by unskilled labour. The wall needs to subcontracted, as I suggested. In such a case, the notion that the wall would cost anything like the figures suggested is daft. The finishes in place currently need not be the ones in place after a refit, etc.
      Owners also need to engage with professionals who might advise them on alternatives to replacing the front wall; for instance, if a fire-proof studding were to be erected within each apartment to isolate the apartment from the front wall. I’m sure that there are solutions other than the ones on the table.
      It is not my intention to give further upset to people dealt such a hard blow, but the people on forums like this who feed them false hopes are doing them no service. They need to get together and have a “plan B” in the event that the pipe dreams are not fulfilled.

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    • I think John might really be Phil Hogan.

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    • No, thank god! I have enough on my plate!

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    • Sinmac 14/02/12 #

      @John It would be great if Fire Stopping was all that wrong in Priory Hall. There are 18 pages of non-fire issues in an Enforcement Notice which also need to be recified. Are you related to Hogan by any chance?

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    • John “the notion that the wall would cost anything like the figures suggested is daft”
      - when you haven’t read the full engineers report detailing the extent of the issues within the development; making ill-informed comment on what it would cost to remediate it is ‘daft’

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    • @John, It was unskilled workers that got us into this mess in the first place!

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  • Hold some1 accountable, give the working people (who sweated n toiled 2 provide a home n who are now homeless tru no fault of there own) a proper home like the 1s they thought they’d bought when they acquired these death traps, then never turn the electricity on n bulldoze the place cos that’s al it’s fit 4…..

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  • @John So what your really saying is that if you bought a new car from a dealer that went on to develop severe engine failure you’d be ok with the dealer suggesting you come up with a solution and dip into your wallet to fund all the repair work?. The simple facts are that despite checks by surveyors etc the problems with Priory hall were hidden and only revealed themselves over time. The legislation that governed at the time allowed and architect to certify the building from their desk without ever having to verify in the field.
    One solution for the residents, resides in making available the empty NAMA properties in the area and enabling legislation or what ever it takes to transfer the mortgage from their property in Priory Hall to the new home. The banks have been handed billions of tax payers money so they should not be allowed oppose this.
    As citizens of this country the residents are entitled to request and obtain the support of their Government. God knows various Ministers have been quick enough to meet with corrupt bankers over the previous years!

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  • the priory hall case is very unfortunate and unfair on the residents. the eventual outcome and how the powers that be handle this is very important though as I fear priory hall is only the tip of the iceberg and many more boom era developments with similar structural negligence will begin to surface

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    • As you say it’s probably the tip of the iceberg. Possibly the reason that the authorities are avoiding doing anything god forbid a precedence would be set for any further problems down the line elsewhere…..

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    • Yeah
      How many people are living in these ”death trap, celtic tiger, squats” (that government engineers signed off on) waiting to see what happens with Priory Hall.

      Are they really gonna say anything about these ”kips” if they’ll only end up being thrown into temporary accommodation like refugees?

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  • Sinmac 14/02/12 #

    McFeely ( The so called developer of Priory Hall ) was in Fingleton’s Golden Circle, no wonder he is being allowed to walk away. One rule for the developer/ banker/ politically connected elite and another rule for the decent honest hardworking people of Ireland. He owes tens of millions to the banks yet he was allowed go to the UK ( when he should have been in prison serving a prison sentence, but because DCC didn’t turn up to his appeal he was freed by the Chief Justice which meant he could hop on a plane to the UK using his UK passport even though his Irish one was held by the High Court and declare himself bankrupt). Neither NAMA, nor the banks he owes money to nor the Government are seeking to overturn his bankruptcy. He is the one who should be paying to rebuild Priory Hall. It appears McFeely is too well connected, so nobody in authority is prepared to make him accountable???? Mcfeely will be debt free in January 2013, less than a year from now and the residents of Prioryhall face financial meltdown. What kind of a country have we become ?

    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/fingleton-loans-the-golden-circle-3010317.html

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  • Sinmac 14/02/12 #

    There is a solution for you John, overturn his UK bankruptcy, use his assets ( and the assets he has hidden ) to fund a complete re-build of Priory hall.

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  • Aurfur 14/02/12 #

    Surely common sense dictates compensation for these houses should take priority over bailouts for the banks. Bank losses are ultimately losses of bondholders surplus and not their homes.

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    • Ah but seldom do we see common sense in this country Aurfur, don’t think there’s enough room in all our prisons for the amount of people that should be in them, the list just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

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  • Sounds like a classic case of ‘greedy developers out to make a fast buck!’ Surely, so-called building regulations in this country should/must state that any new buildings meet certain fire restrictions when being built? Plus as many as 18 other non-fire issues I believe? The builders should be thrown in jail and stripped of their own assets to try and recoup some of the money, not Priory Hall residents having to be housed in temporary accomodation.
    Surely, they can be prosecuted on something? At least gross negligence, or failing to meet standard building requirements? How many more apartment blocks were literally thrown up in the ‘ Celtic Tiger’ era?

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    • Probably quite a few, but in the case of Priory Hall it seems like the developer won’t be involved in the solution. The residents have had a raw deal, but a load of people agreeing with everything they say won’t help them. People need to come up with solutions, and there’s been very little of that so far.

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  • @john,i bought in prioryhall it is not my fault or any of the homeowners the building wasnt built properly,how can you say we should save the money and fix it up ourselves,we want justice not handouts,iv worked all my life and was ripped off by the state,builder etc,iv paid for a home that i cannot live in by no fault of my own,maybe if you go to prioryhall and look at how disgraceful it is,everyone has an opinion but saying we should fix up the building ourselves is laughable,why should we, that scumbag mcfeely should be locked up and the other idiots who certified the building.We just want a solution and so we can move on from this mess.

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  • Shocking what has happened to them but if the country cannot afford to continue the payments, well…we can’t afford to make the payments!! Perhaps other avenues should be investigated such as home insurance cover and a closer look at the development company’s assets. Perhaps priory hall could be renovated? The gov need to start to crack down more on developers and stop them from hiding behind legal barriers, im sure revenue could be raised somehow from the developer. But I’m afraid that perhaps in this instance, unfortunately the priory hall residents could just be bang out of luck. I agree that if the council can’t afford to keep them well theres not much more that can be done. Life is tough sometimes

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    • Not entirely sure how ‘home insurance cover’ is going to help what looks like and already condemned building complex? Who in their right mind would insure it? Likewise, if the development company is bankrupt, whatever assets did remain would be given priority to the senior secutity holders such as the banks. Accordnginly there is little that can be done now I guess. Hiding “behind legal barriers” means that in certain instances, the law protects them. We can’t just throw away the rule of law, as much as we would like to, regardless if it protects unsavory types. Otherwise you end up with a country like Russia where I grew up which believe me, is a lot less fun than here right now (believe it or not). Yes, life is just sometimes tough and unfair on people. It’s very sad.

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    • Ciaro 14/02/12 #

      Bang out of luck? I hope your luck doesn’t turn sour.

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    • Are you suggesting that these people are put on the street, in the event that the development can’t be remedied? You wouldn’t be saying that if it were your kids, cold maybe hungry. Or even if it was your property. Bang out of luck? You make it sound like they a lost a fiver.

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  • Sooner or later the residents will have to get together and raise money for the fire stopping work. It should only cost a couple of thousand per apartment, so surely it is in the interests of their mortgage lenders to provide the finance if they haven’t got it; it won’t impact significantly on their mortgages. The local authority needs to get proactive and look for a solution along these lines; maybe there is some kind of grant that they can give to cover some of the cost. The only solution that the council has come up with to date is to do nothing; that has to change, but the owners also need to start solving the problem themselves. If my house falls down, it’s essentially my problem in the first instance.
    Hogan is right btw, it’s not his role to get involved and he shouldn’t drag the taxpayer into it.

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