If it wasn’t religion it would be the type of shoe you wore, human nature to bond through common hatred

Keith when was there last mass rioting and murder over a shoe?

@marc Anthony powers…just what is this ..”Mor..an ” you lot keep referring to!?

…who actually gives a monkey …what you are impressed by Ja…son!?

No surprise considering the demographic

Is this Ireland that we live in or Libya? Where is freedom of speech? It is US readers to decide by clicking thumbs up or down whether we like comments or not. I thought that The Journal is somewhat open but I guess I was wrong.

I understand the Journal after all you can see how these people have reacted to a silly film.

Freedom of speech?? no, We should all be like sheep , quiet , peacefull and making sure not to offend the badly tempered muslim extremists. This is called being politically correct. loads of crap. All that for a complete turnip of movie. RIDICULOUS!!!1

Savages do not understand the concept of freedom, they have to be educated to understand that we find murder offensive.

Pierce, I think you might go on the list with Salman after this !!

Ah well, where’s my forty virgins?

http://youtu.be/44uB8QFPi08

Peter Griffin says you can have 72 of them!

Well said!!!!

Wasn’t that place burn’t down in 1972.

After Sunday Prayers !!

Nothing got to do with the fact that the west has raped, pillaged, bombed and proped up dictators for god knows how long in these countries. Try to step back and look at the big picture instead of being a narrow headed moron all your life. These people have nothing, no jobs, barely enough food to eat, no prospects. Like to see u in that situation.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/9/13/islamic_scholar_tariq_ramadan_on_the
“He was one of the leaders of al-Qaeda, and he was killed in June. And the point was that people were saying there will be retaliation, and they choose the very same date of the September the 11th. So it might be that this connection was in fact used with the symbol at the same time we’re remembering what happened in the States. Add to this that what we have here is very much people who are behind the movie, and it’s very important to check who is behind the movie. What do they want exactly? They were using exactly the same symbol, 11 years later, just before the election, to put the president, also, Barack Obama, and the United States onto something which is a psychological pressure by releasing this and hoping that there will be reactions. It’s a provocation. And I think that here we have something which is very important for us is, first, to condemn what happened, the killing of the ambassador and what is happening in the embassies around the—in the Muslim-majority countries, to start with this, but also to understand that there are people from behind the scenes who are playing on symbols, emotional politics, and pushing toward something which is a clash.”

Adrian, I agree that the video is very low and I do think it is trying to play on people’s emotions, fears, and incite hatred. I find it also very disgusting that the maker would put out this false person of being an Israeli-American; which hints he might be anti-Semitic. Also that he made insensitive remarks while innocent people are being killed, that he was going to make more videos; that just escalates the violence. But at the same time I believe in freedom of speech/Democracy; under the US Constitution he has every right to make these videos regardless of his intentions. Radical-Muslims in America spew a lot of hate as well: anti-Christian, anti-Jew, anti-American, anti-West, cheer the 9/11 attacks on the streets, and burn American flags. Under the US Constitution they are allowed to do this. There is also a lot of propaganda/hate speech coming online from these countries where embassies are being bombed/attacked; its total double standards. Other people are not going crazy over them; they are just sulking on YouTube, FB, news websites, etc. I think people like Derek who post such comments are cruel, mean-spirited, and hateful people; especially at a time like this. His comments aren’t exactly accurate or fair; he feels the need to lash out at me because of his rage with what I wrote. I can understand why he sympathizes with the people carrying out these horrible acts; from what he says.

The US is not some benevolent caring nation that protects the world from tyranny,it s the exact opposite.They have murdered millions across the world and have perfected the art of propaganda to make us believe that it is the land of the free..check FOX news to see these fascist lunatics reaction and hysteria.Its not black and white,its like saying all Irish are IRA terrorists..

Yeah cause the US spends trillions of dollars on stuff that kills people and spends next to nothing on looking after the poor and vunerable in its own country. What a shining beacon we all look up to. And people wonder why the world is f**ked.

@kevin I take it back that i called u a moron ( bad mood today ) but everything that is happening is a direct consequence of whoever set the ball rolling on this. There the ones that deserve our condemnation.

I know Fox News has a good percentage of close-minded/racist/intolerant viewers; and I am not a fan of Fox News. Sorry but I find your comments/examples very unfair and extremely one-sided. There are other nations in this world that aren’t exactly peaceful; that people could be condemning, but America seems to be everybody’ favorite. Yet they live, visit, enjoy, and use all things that come from America; without any hesitation. This article is about American/European embassies being attacked, bombed, terrorized, and killed. You’re entitled to think America is terrorists, evil, murderers, or whatever. But I find it very low of both of you to be putting out this argument at this time; instead of condemning what is happening. I’m going to leave it at that, since I know this conversation isn’t going to go anywhere good other than back and forth insults. Which I have no desire in participating in, thank you.

…empty pots rattle…and by god you can rattle….

Sick and tired…go an ave a lie down and clear yer ed…

..empty pots rattle…

Hi, your comment was deleted as you referred to the protesters as ‘savages’.
Aoife

And what is exactly wrong with that? I mean they are killing people. So what I should be calling them like? Murderers? It is what it is.

Agree Krystian, savages is not an obscene word to use in this context. Over censoring much journal?

Epic fail on the part of the Journal.

I hope that any comments on the article about the killings in France which described those killers as savages is also censored.

I also hope any article mentioning David McSavage or his programme the Savage Eye will now be amended to David McS****e or The S****e Eye.

Ms Aoife I think you have made ridic decision. I mean get some facts straight before doing what u have done. Somebody later called this
people animals and this was not taken. This is a journalism and censorship that you will get in my home country before 1989.

@ Marcin.. your comment sums it all up really doesn’t it..

@ Lucille
Sum them up. All religion sucks

ha ha snap.

What Gdańsk has to do with it?

father Ted episode. the passion of st tibulus. season 1 episode 3.

Krystian, it’s a Father Ted reference, about a similar uproar over a film shown in Craggy Island

Oh I have to watch it than.

Careful now…

I saw the film, it’s clearly partisan and badly written, produced etc but not altogether inaccurate. Mohammed was no love thy neighbour merchant, well, he was at the start while he was a minority in a multicultural and tolerant society but then he got his own kingdom and charged protection money from minorities there so that they would be tolerated. Failure to pay this means you’re fair game in the house of peace (muslim territory). The rest of the world, which is awaiting inevitable islamic conquest is called the house of war. I doubt he’d be too upset at the kind of violent thuggery taking place, it’s fair to say he was quite a fan of it in his day. Mohammed who supposedly only wrote down the exact words dictated by god is referred to as the most perfect person that has ever lived and whose example all should follow…yeah right, Allah wrote that book… egomaniacal, bull5hitting warlord much?

So do the hairy fairy followers!

Why doesn’t the grand high invisible wizard intervene?

Many people in the west (see Sharia law in the West) are trying to make it illegal to criticise Islam or Islamism. Briefly, criticising people’s genes is wrong. You can’t change your genes. You can’t help being born white, black, Arab, or whatever. But criticising people’s memes is ok – indeed it is what free speech is all about. You can change your memes. Being born an Arab Muslim doesn’t mean you can’t adopt western values, be tolerant of gays, Jews and atheists, even abandon Islam altogether. There is an extraordinary modern idea that we should “respect” other people’s beliefs. Often it is suggested that we should “respect” Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism or other religions, simply because they are old, or have lots of followers. This shows a basic lack of understanding of what a free society is. A free society is one in which you have the right to believe nonsense, and I have the right to call it nonsense. You don’t have to “respect” my stupid beliefs. And I don’t have to “respect” yours. But we both must agree to leave the other alone to believe what they want in peace. So many so-called “liberals” fail to understand this basic building block of a western liberal society. How the accusation of “Islamophobia” is used to silence atheists, unbelievers and moderate Muslims.
Source: http://markhumphrys.com/islamophobia.html

Excellent posts Kevin very informative thanks

careful now !

So what if it was designed to be provocative? It should provoke debate, not murder of innocent people. The fact that German and British embassies have today been attacked shows this is being exploited for different reasons.

….hot dog ….say no more…

…fact…could it be prelude to bombing Iran ….dare one suppose…yet another in the increasing series of “false flag” initiatives!?

@..S you Not ….responses after next post

A very small element?
Yesterday the muslim brotherhood of Egypt called for a million man march!
Only pressure from the west made them back down.
Hardly a small minority. The middle east is going to start world war 3 very very soon.
I’m no fan of America and its countless illegal wars, but it’s the Muslim religion that is going to bring a world of shit down on everyone.

The middle east is going to start WW3, clueless,yeah cause the that people make all the bombs and miltary and the ones that supply all the money reside there. Try looking closer to home.

Derek it is not a small element, remember you can be executed in many of these countries for blasphemy. The religion of peace is only at peace with those who submit to it.

I see you chose to ignore the first part of my post because it contradicted you.
The WW3 comment is based on my belief that if & when Iran get a nuke, they will not hesitate to use it.
Mutual assured destruction means nothing to these people.
I may be wrong and I do hope I am, but I just wonder if you will still be so quick to defend them if I turn out to be correct.

Why would Iran ever wish to set off a nuke? It would be suicide for every single person in that country. Its a defense mechanism so their country dont get rolled over in the coming years when resources get much scarcer. Dont be buying into the whole Iran is evil crap. Its a culturally diverse country where the standard of living aint that bad if only for the murdering sanctions placed on the country. The people in charge use religion forcefuly to exert control but its the same all over the middle east. Iran should be the least of our worries regarding WW3. It was the elite in the west that started the two previous and it will be them again that start the next.

Yes Derek, a country who’s president said the west is controlling their weather is certainly to be trusted. Seems very cultural to me alright. Culturally decrepit

@Glen The ability to control the weather is called geoeinginering. You have everyone from Bill Gates to Rupert Murdoch pumping money into it officallly. The Guardian have a whole section devoted to it online. Its widespread and its no secret. So your point is?

Why do you hate the west do much Durkin?….

Derek, with respect, I think you need to educate yourself about Iran, especially in relation to how it treats women. I recommend ‘Reading Lolita in Tehran’, its an eye-opener. Any country that bans books, music, education and allows 9 year old girls to be married off is evil in my opinion, and should be in yours too.

La la la im in la la.land…why can’t you see that everywhere this dreadful cancer of a religion gets a grip either becomes an intolerant cesspit or a medival dictatorship?….Turkeys an exception for now and parts or England and France are heading towards sharia law

@Derek Durkin

The penny dropped a long time ago mate when I lived and worked in several of these islamofacist states that you seem to have a vast erection for..the intolerance, sexism homophobia and general head in the sand attitude of the peoples in these places is downright scary and one that I and many will oppose at all costs..and please do not label me a Moran because I have my own experiences to draw from

thought it was a German embassy

I think it was an offense to the art of film making.

Understand the insult? Cop on like. No insult deserves retribution like that. If I tell you that Jesus was a shitbag looney are you going to be calling for my head or blowing up my house?

Christians as oppressors of their faith? Is that supposed to be a joke or something? Look up the demographics and history of the majority-Islamic countries. It’s the Muslims who oppress other religions. Besides Turkey which is relatively secular; in Iran, Egypt and until recently Syria, other religions are ‘tolerated’. Not that they enjoy equal status – but just tolerated.

I agree with you Barry, I don’t have any religous beliefs but thats my buisness, I don’t expect others to have my atheism imposed on them because I say so but Muslims demand everyone else to follow the rules of their religion. You just ridiculed Jesus, you can, you have free speech. But if I were to say the same things about Muhammad or Allah the Journal may delete my comment, possibly fearing retaliation from radical muslims, who would undoubtedly like to kill me… if I did say that. Which I didn’t
The upshot of all this is that, whether we agree with it or not, most people will not speak out against Islam or question it the same way they would any other religon because we all know how the radical muslims will react. Violently. It’s perfectly fine to watch satire like Father Ted and The Life of Brian, Sacha Baron Cohen even manages to get away with playing tyrannical Islamic dictators, but if some radical muslim half way around the world even hears that someone drew a cartoon or made a half arsed movie about Islam then every muslim in the vicinity has to attack the nearest Western embassy.
If muslims want to live a life dedicated to Allah, fine, but don’t expect the rest of us to do the same, and for the love of Allah get a sense of humor, lighten up, chillax. Get a life lads.

@Marc Did you read what I said? I wasn’t defending radical muslims, what I was saying was that they are basically trying to demand everyone, everywhere conforms to the laws of Islam. Fook that. While we can say what we want about any other religon, some may take issue with it, but nobody is going to slaughter people they don’t know because someone in the victims country happened to draw a cartoon that offends… or so they were told because they didn’t actually see it.
I believe any religon that tells its followers to kill in its name is a serious threat to the world, and Islam has always done this. At the slighest provocation they’re off saying this offends them or that offends them. Fine. Be offended, get the crayons out in the Mosque’s and have a great huff for the afternoon, but why hurt people. When they decide, and it is a decision, to become violent and kill in the name of their religon they become a threat, to peace, to the West and to the world in general. Sooner rather than later the threat of radical Islam has to be met rather that complied with.

Sorry rusty

Was not meant you rather the apologist islamophile lady contributing above thru crescent moon tinted glasses

No problem Marc, I think we agree, if Geraldine doesn’t, that radical muslims are constantly whinging that this, that and the other offends them and more often than not most officials give in to them rather than cause a fuss or provoke a violent reaction.
I watched the news today and saw how a large wall was hastely built to block them from reaching one of the US embassies, I don’t know why they don’t just cover the walls with pork, have pigs or dogs (which apparently they don’t like either) penned in front of all embassies.

Marc, the comment has been deleted by the time I got on here to reply. I saw the content through the email notification. It’s no wonder that it was removed. It was totally disgusting and racist . Not all Muslims can be blamed for what is happening. I know quite a few from Kuwait who are moderates and are disgusted by the action s of the few who give them all a bad name.

How would you feel if every Irish person, yourself included I’m assuming, were labelled as terrorist murderers due to the Real IRA being from the same country?

I think you made lots of points there am not religious but respect other people’s way of life however they chose to practice it.

the first time I have had so many dislikes and all because I refuse to be sectarian, if all the remarks on this site were anti Semitic they would have been banned immediately.