Spot on Carlin.

Totally agree, someone is there with a big wooden spoon and a big pot that keeps stirring it up.

From what I’ve read so far the movie was shown in one half empty cinema in the states.

Chances of a full blown war in the region are looking more likely by the day.

I think it really does the Jyllands-Posten cartoonists a disservice to lump them in with Nakoula. They were pursuing valid, reasonable political and artistic expression Nakoula seems to have created a film depicted Mohammed as a child molester, attributed it to the Israeli Jewish community, and then begun posting links to long sections of it on Muslim websites in Egypt and Libya.

To me, that’s quite different. While no excuse for the reaction (those who killed the American staff should have to pay the consequences for their acts of mindless murder), I can’t find Nakoula blameless. He seems to have deliberately plotted to bring such an attack about by framing the Jewish community for what he knew would be perceived as a crime against Islam (and then ensuring Muslims in the most volatile part of the world were riled up about it.)

Finally! The comment with the most sense!

This

To me, even more than that, it’s to with the fact these are people who’ve lived their entire life in poverty, without proper education, and suffering from repression and violent subjegation their entire lives. That some of them are almost ridiculously easy to provoke into venting their pent up rage (even at the wrong target) should hardly be surprising.

“Islamism is sadly growing among many Muslims”…..please explain what you mean by this….

What do you mean “what do I mean by this”? Muslims who hold radical, intolerant, and aggressive views are easily persuaded into this political/extremist ideology/movement; which is a large minority. Muslims who do not hold such views, well obviously do not condone such an ideology/movement. Social media has tremendously helped grow Islamism; it really is not that hard to understand.

To be honest, I think Zionism and Christian fundamentalism represent a bigger threat to the world than Islamism. Last time I checked, it was the former two that were complicit in neo-colonialism/imperialism and destabilizing the entire middle east.

Last time I checked, Liam; there are two fundamentalist sects of Christianity. Those who hate Jews to the core and those who believe in some chosen people idea. Jews = Colonial? Hebrews are settlers? Very interesting, interpretation of history. Colonialism is wrong of course, but European Colonialism is dead. There is a new colonialism and it’s called take-over the West/convert or kill them; Islamism. It’s interesting how all the Arab states flags are identical; reminds me of the British Empire colonial power.

Liam?! Christian fundalmentalism?! Huh? Apart from breivik does that even exist anymore? U crazy.

Plus Imperialism hasn’t been evident in christian countries since before WW2. Just sayin.

Kevin, Islam and Muslim are both words used to describe the religion revealed to the Prophet Mohammed. To be correctly used, Islam or Islamic should describe the religion and its subsequent cultural concepts whereas Muslim should only describe the followers of the religion of Islam. You’re confusing Islam with Islamic extremists.

No, I am not confusing anything. Maybe you should re-read what I wrote. I don’t need a Islam history lesson. Islamist describes a certain type of Muslims: the word isn’t used just for fun.

@Swallows&Daggers – I am not sure what you’re point was but there are radical-Muslims (Islamists, extremists, fundamentalists) and then moderate-Muslims; they all follow the same religion and book. The difference is the way they follow it and how they interpret the Koran.
Islamism – Islamic militancy or fundamentalism.
Islamists – a fundamentalist Islamic revivalist movement generally characterized by moral conservatism and the literal interpretation of.
Islam – The religion of the Muslims, a monotheistic faith regarded as revealed through Muhammad as the Prophet of Allah.
Muslims – A believer in or follower of Islam.
Islamic – Muslim: of or relating to or supporting Islamism; “Islamic art”.

These verses from the Koran are part of the reason of radical-Islam; and this is only a few verses out of the really bad ones. All religions have there bad verses, but most don’t have other religions listed as enemies; and most people from other religions have calmed down over the last 100 years and aren’t so literal to their holy books. It is what it is.

“The Jews and Christians say: ‘We are the children of God and His loved ones.’ Say: ‘Why then does He punish you for your sins?” (Surah 5:18)
“Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.” (Surah 5:51)
“Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]…until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued.” (Surah 9:27-)
“It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it.” (Surah 9:31-)

I think it’s fair to say any form of extremism can be dangerous, but when you’re willing to run out into the street and join a mob to go kill someone just because they’re from another country. One where a film you heard about, haven’t seen but probably should hate, was made because you’re religon dictates you must do so then we all have a serious problem with that religon.
We have seen such movies, much better made and funnier, for years like “The Life of Brian”, but while the church didn’t like it shown here they certainly didn’t call for mobs to kill the makers of it. It would therefore seem that Islam is the problem, not this movie.

Well said, Rusty. I am not sure why people are thumbing down my comment that has simply the defintions of the words from the dictionary and the actual verses from the Koran. Sorry to all those who don’t like me responding to someone who claims I am confusing the names; when in reality I am not. They are going to have to argue with the dictionary and the Koran then.

@kevin
Nothing worse than a bullsh!tter. Islam or Islamism is the religion, a Muslim is one who practices that religion. There… I educated you…

“@kevin
Nothing worse than a bullsh!tter. Islam or Islamism is the religion, a Muslim is one who practices that religion. There… I educated you…”

@John – Not sure where you were educated but clearly somewhere that doesn’t teach focus very well on reading comprehension; you just stated the obvious. The reason for distinctions is so that whole group is not labeled as all the same. Just like when you have fundamentalist Christians like Westboro Baptist Church and then sane Christians. What don’t you get? Attacking me without anything to back it up; arrogance and stupidity what a great combination.

@Kevin
I suggest you read Swallows&Daggers post again. I have many Muslim friends. They will be very shocked when I tell them that if they believe in Islam/Islamism they are considered to be radical, violent fundamentalist crackpots according to the Word of Kevin Niazi.
For the last time…Islam/Islamism is the religion, Muslim is one who practices that religion…Have you ever even met and spoken to a Muslim? They are generally fine upstanding people. As with all religions there are fanatics on the fringe, in this case generally known as Muslim extremists or Islamic Extremists. I suggest that you burn whatever book of anti-Islam propaganda your quoting from. It’ll make a change from burning the Koran.

And Nappy

A spicy kebab, with a portion of casual racism on the side.

Reminds me of the South Park episode where a vision of the future showed Athiests at war because of their very slight differences in athiesism…
Why cant we all just get along?

(all we are saying…..is give peace a chance)

How do you know how the bulk of its followers think? There are about 1.6 billion of them y’know?

How many have you actually met? I have many friends from Kuwait who studied medicine in UCC and I can assure you that they couldn’t be further from these extremists. They are not all the same. I have no issue with people believing what they want, but making people suffer because of those beliefs I wholeheartedly disagree with.

Hm my father lived among the bulk of them; it wasn’t exactly pleasant/safe.

Well Kevin, I haven’t seen you around here before but I can tell already that you are quite bigoted and treat a whole demographic by the actions of a few. Right now you seem only a small step up from the few ‘nuke em all’ brigade that comes on here.

I have always found it interesting that a lot of the Muslims I meet seem so moderate/ tolerant. Then you ask them about Jews, the Western country (the one they choose to live in), gays, prostitutes, meat, women, September 11/terrorism, those who insult the “Prophet” and Muslims who leave Islam; their answer is very disturbing. Actually Barry I have a problem with people who have the argument well it’s different in my country, that’s all. “That’s all”? It’s freaking evil. I am half-Pakistani, so don’t act like you know it all and you’re superiority complex of being the “fair” person. I have a problem when there is no Islamic country that is a Democracy. I have a problem when the country that I am part of hates me and justifies killing me. You’re “atheist”, you don’t really depict it. A “nuke” person usually doesn’t use the term “moderate Muslims” or is half-Pakistani.

I have always found it interesting that a lot of the Muslims I meet seem so moderate/ tolerant. Then you ask them about Jews, the Western country (the one they choose to live in), gays, prostitutes, meat, women, September 11/terrorism, those who insult the “Prophet” and Muslims who leave Islam; their answer is very disturbing.

Be honest, has this ever actually happened?

“Be honest?” No I am a pathological liar and I am also lying about Pakistan. Did I ask someone all these questions, entirely? No. But they have all been answered by Muslims, I have met or know. It is very fair to say Muslims are much more Conservative/Strict than people of other faiths on a whole.

@kevin.. Tell me if im wrong , Either both or one of your parents are from Mianwali in Pakistan, Thats the place all Niazi’s came from and I have been living in ireland for more than 10 years and i have never met or heard of Niazi’s????So by saying your father lived among you mean he was born to one and is one of them??

@Yasir – Did I not say my father is Pakistani? Yes that is the place where all the Niazi’s come from I am Pashtu/Punjabi; they go originally back to Afghanistan. My father is not Muslim and his parents were not practicing Muslims but did indentify as Muslims. If my father’s family were the typical Muslims they would have not married people from Ireland, England, and Germany; my father’s family had always been against the intolerance of Christians/minorities in Pakistan. They did not attend Mosques or ever go to any Mecca as you are suppose to. It’s quite irritating when you’re Muslim neighbors condemn you for buying milk from the Christians. Do I look like I care if you have ever heard of a Niazi in Ireland? It sounds like you are inferring, I am lying. My father lived in Ireland for 3 years and then my family left, since hiring non-Irish wasn’t exactly very popular in the 90s.

And atheists like the smell of their own farts!

No, that’s people who drive a Prius

Not being an atheist,I wouldn’t know ???

Yes, ‘Islam’ is one coherent monolith. Easy peasy.

Catholicism: the religion of pedophilia. No?

@Petr

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_religion_of_peace

Who said anything about Catholicism anyway? This article is about extremist Muslims.

Last time I checked Catholics weren’t attacking embassies, bombing buildings, hijacking planes, beheading people, forcing marriages, mutilating non-Catholics, stoning women, and executing Catholics that leave Catholicism.

Kevin, Catholicism has skeletons in its closet too, y’know.

Keep your knickers on girls. I was just pointing out how unfair it feels when someone tars an entire group (in the case of Muslims about 1.6 billion people) with the same brush.

Barry, I know this very well; and I am know fan of the Catholic Church in anyway. But pedophilia is common in all religions; Catholcism is just the most exposed/bashed. I agree Petr, I don’t think he is directing it at moderate Muslims; more so the religion.

You’ll find that most of these contretemps are political. Religion is more of an excuse, a rallying call. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with these religions – Judaism, Christianity, Islam. I know Barry and others will disagree but I really do think that people place too much emphasis on the (invariably) negative role of religion.

No Petr, I actually agree with you. I don’t care what religious people believe in as long as they don’t try to inflict their beliefs on others. I have a love of history; for some reason I have a passion for religious history even though I’m atheist. I can’t stand the holier than thou attitude that many religious people have – if they actually knew the history of their religion they would sing a different tune!

@petr. only difference is that Muslims kill in the name of Allah. And you appear to agree with that right. people who kill other people usually, one would think, have a reason for doing so, not an excuse. those poor people were killed over a movie they didn’t even know existed.

those poor people were killed over a movie they didn’t even know existed.

Hardly.

@petr , I’m totally non religious but I don’t think catholic church has the monopoly on paedophilia , I didn’t read Quran and have intentions , but isn’t there a prophet who’s 52 having sexual relations with a 9 yr old there….

That should read I have NO intentions of reading Quaran ……typo

Dave

I was being sarcastic.

@petr: distasteful

Distasteful? Yes, as is sarcastically calling Islam the ‘religion of peace’.

Responsible for all terrorism in the world? Never new it.

@ never knew it

I thumbed you down at the word Satan. Education is what they lack, not a belief in your Bible.

that is the most stupid statement I ever seen how can u blame muslims for all terrorism?do the name anders behring breivik ring any bells?

Edward Carr, please stop pretending you didn’t know this.

So, Thosj, you believe that the Muslims are behind all the IRA and unionist factions? How about ETA? Or FARC? Or Anders, as already mentioned. Another bigot I see.

I’m no fan of Islam, or any other religion. But I don’t hate all Muslims just because of a few. If someone said they hated all Jews because of the Zionist atrocities happening they’d be labelled an anti-Semite. Well believe it or not the Arabs are actually also Semitic. Hating them all makes you just as much an anti-Semite as a Nazi.

@Thosj…….You should watch “Confessions of an economic terrorist” on You tube. Maybe then you will realise that your comment in quite naive.

As opposed to the bible which is all sunshine, rainbows and kittens?

Well the new testament is a message of hope, love and salvation, the old testament was based on a theocratic society, which is not applicable after the coming of the Messiah.
Leigh, I can tell by your clichéd and ill thought out response that you have read neither the Bible or the Koran and you certainly have zero understanding of what Christianity is, or Islam for that matter.

Have you read the Quran Tom?i suggest you should read it again if you have.try surah maidah where it says “if you kill one person except for the murder of another person it’s the same as you have killed all mankind and if you save one person its as if you saved all mankind” I suggest you also read the bible where it says ”
“If anyone kills a person, the murderer shall be put to death on the evidence of witnesses. “the Quran and the bible are very similer you should actually read both.

I have read the Qu’ran. There’s no such directive. On the contrary, a number of times it goes out of its way to say that religion is a personal choice and that Christians who live as good Christians and Jews who live as good Jews are every bit as beloved of God as Muslims who live as good Muslims are.

Edward and Peter, you are both either lying or you are pushing an agenda, I have read and studied the Quran for years, here let me prove the hate and foolishness thought in the Quran.

Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”

Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers (Christians, Jews) wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

Bukhari:V4B53N386 “Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.’”

Islam on women,
Qur’an 33:59 “Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better.”

Qur’an 24:6 “And for those who launch a charge against their wives, accusing them, but have no witnesses or evidence, except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing four times) by Allah that he is the one speaking the truth.”

Qur’an 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.”

Bukhari:V1B22N28 “The Prophet said: ‘I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.’ When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, ‘All the favors done for them by their husbands.’”

Are you really comparing the da Vinci code with this trash that I saw on YouTube?if so you are deluded Tom or you haven’t seen the Mohammad movie.

John,

Quite. Some people are extremely stupid conditioned.

Well Tom the more verses you can come up with from the Quran I can come up from the bible is the point I’m making.anyone can use google nowadays Tom.and may I say for a man who shows so much contempt and Hate for Islam why study it as you said you have.there are contradictions in all the books of the main religions and people will use these for there benefit But to say all of Islam teaches is hatred is just laughable coming from a man who says he is educated in the beautiful Quran if you could now take the time maybe to study the bible and study the brutal savage history of Christianity Then you have a right to put down other peoples religion.im a Muslim since 2007 and I’m proud of that fact I don’t,I hate murder of any human be they Christian,Muslim,Jew or no Faith I believe men women have equal rights I condemn the murder of the American ambassador to libya and anyone else that got killed.and I think Tom the likes of you cause as much hate In this world as any,if you where talking about Jewish people you would be called anti Semitic.

I’m repeating myself because I only just said it but…

These are people who have lived their entire lives until recently under the jackboot of a dictator, whose families have been endlessly tortured, repressed and murdered by the state. Who are among the poorest people in the world and know it, and who are woefully uneducated. Who even now have little prospects for their future lives and know it.

When they’re ridiculously easy for third parties to prod into violent outbursts of mob rage, I’m not sure I’d automatically look to the religion they happen to be.

Carlin

You might as well be talking to the wall. He is consumed by hate and ignorance.

Uh Carlin, I am more of 2012 person not really a 1000 AD/1600s person. I like to focus on the present not what a bunch of dead people did a 1000 years ago.

Well, let me see:

“attacking embassies, bombing buildings, hijacking planes, beheading people, forcing marriages, mutilating non-Catholics, stoning women, and executing Catholics that leave Catholicism”

Can’t think of any incidents of beheading lately. Or stoning women.

But all the rest has been done by Catholics in the name of Catholicism with the past several decades, yes. A lot of it on this very island. Does that make Catholicism an evil religion?

You can ask Catholics that question; I am not the spokesperson for the Catholic Church or Catholic. No it has not been done in Ireland that is false; how can Irish-Catholics have done all this while being oppressed by the Anglican Church? Planes weren’t even around? If you’re talking about the IRA; the IRA has nothing to do with religion. The IRA‘s action were not done in the name of the Pope, Vatican, or Jesus. But loyalist terrorism was done in the name of anti-Catholicism, anti-Irish, ethnic/religious superiority, and anti-non-Protestants “for God and Ulster”. There were IRA members of course that were anti-Protestant, anti-Jewish, anti-non-Catholics but that was not the heart of the IRA; independence was. That is why there were a good number of Southern Protestants in the IRA and also some Irish Jews. That is a domestic movement and it does not use religion as its justifications or basis.

It’s you who seems to be pushing a agenda Tom.لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله (lā ʾilāha ʾillà l-Lāh, Muḥammadur rasūlu l-Lāh)
There is no god but God, Muhammad is the messenger of God.

Well, there’s a difference between the Christians and the Muslims:
no one was killed when The Life Of Brian was released…

Defamation
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1377278/

Killer at Large
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0903660/

Well they are actually both anti-US and anti-free speech. There are tons of films, images, propaganda directed at Jews? They just dont go Psycho. People over here in America know we are the fat nation; it doesn’t bother us. It’s a fact; Americans are widely ridiculed for being the fat nation. Why would someone protest being called “fat”?! Super Size Me movie, ring a bell?!

Yes but how many Israelis or US citizens would storm an embassy and kill innocent, unconnected people in response? It’s all about the proportionality of the response.

Wrong, Val. You wouldn’t get a Jewish mob storming embassies and killing ambassadors over a movie. Wouldn’t happen.

Kevin, you’re quite correct that there are huge amounts of incredibly sick and disturbing anti-Semite propaganda out there.

You’re not quite correct in saying that the Jewish community, like some monolith, universally takes it on the chin like a good sport. Some of this stuff has generated incredible (and frankly righteous) anger among the Jewish community. And, yes, that anger has spilled over into protests and violent action even if most of the world’s Jews take a more balanced and dignified approach.

And just as most of the world’s Muslims respond to things like this– while, again, a tiny minority pursue a violent course.

Americans and Jews get lampooned all the time. Really, all the time. All my favorite comedians (including Jews and Americans), comedy movies and comedy TV shows take the piss constantly! Ever hear of sacha baron Cohen? Chris rock? Ever watch south park? Simpsons? It’s freedom of speech and America is showing it’s true colours by apologizing for it instead of defending it! That idiot has a right to make that crappy film and I should have the right (although I’ve no interest) to see it!

An American military base in Dublin airport ha? lol

Concluded that we will only see Peace when the “Mullah Ted” along with his sidekick the “Mufti Dougle graces our TV screen. Might be funnier than the laughing stock that this lot spews every other day & playing the “I’m Offended” card for permission to kill. I find it all so very offensive myself. Down with this sort of thing ;-)

I like Americans & I’ve seen this base in Dublin airport.

I know all I need to about islam tom,I know that islam in my opinion is the true religion and I’m not afraid of eternity.you truly are bigot tom.