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Column: Exporting our troubles is an Irish speciality

Ireland’s solution has always been to send our problems abroad, writes Jillian Godsil – and we’re still doing it today.

Jillian Godsil

AS A NATION, we have become adept at exporting our troubles.

When our population soared in the mid-1800s we exported our surplus population by the coffin ship. There just were not enough potatoes to go around.

When we grew a pair and started to demand national self-determination and that spilled into active resistance in the next century, so we began flexing the fledging muscles of independence. But then when a timely and largely indiscriminate thin red line was drawn across the upper province of our country, we managed to export the actual violence and daily grind of sectarian anger and destruction over the border.

When we were unable to cope with the concept and possible results of sex outside of marriage, we exported our pregnant teenagers to the UK to have abortions. We still export this problem for distressed women who need a termination regardless of marriage status.

When we could not tolerate any breakdown in the sanctity of marriage, we exported that problem too for a long time. Even now, we operate a splintered path to divorce, a two part process that draws out the painful division of a couple, resulting in months, even years of arguing to divide a union that took mere weeks to join up. Only the solicitors benefit from these convoluted and intolerant legal machinations.

When we could no longer employ our young people in this depressed economy, we again export them in their thousands. And to our national collective shame, the largely xenophobic welcome we gave the recent economic emigrants to our country, is being visited on those young people as they seek work abroad. The Irish are not the only race with long memories.

When the country is awash with huge debt, sovereign, banking, and personal, we do not take the bull by the horns. Our antiquated bankruptcy laws are just that, designed to punish the person who failed. We so lack the American foresight that endorses our very own (exported) Samuel Beckett’s view: ‘Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.’

‘We cannot protect them, so we export them’

To be a bankrupt often implies the person was an entrepreneur, a doer, a creator of jobs and wealth, not just a PAYE worker or public servant. The person who fails once may yet succeed again. This especially applies to someone like Ivan Yates. Yates, an honest businessman who succeeded and failed, is being penalised beyond his failure, he is being punished by the financial institutions that fawned over him in better days.

We are told that new laws are coming in, news laws to solve the bottleneck of insolvency in this country. But instead of adopting the refreshing bankruptcy laws just across the water, we are coming up with a different variation. It is too slow and penal still. Why not review the UK bankruptcy laws, take the best bits, and implement them here?

Why do we have to take so long, kowtow to the financial institutions, and still bring in limited, penal solutions? If the bank guarantee was created in a single long night, why does our insolvency legislation need more than a year to create, and still favour the banks over the individual?

Bringing in these imperfect solutions will not stop the tide of bankruptcy tourism to the UK. Businessmen like Yates will no doubt avail of that course, and why not? Why wait to be punished here by the same authority that caused the problem in the first place when a short trip across the water can cleanse the debt without rancour.

Except, exporting our bankruptcy problems has the double whammy of causing real stress to the individuals forced to emigrate house, family and work to a fairer jurisdiction, while local creditors will struggle to obtain any recompense when dealing with a foreign legal system. And when you export the good people, they may not come back.

Two Sundays ago, we woke to the news that the Collins family from Limerick have left these shores. So it has come to this: law-abiding citizens who stand up and testify against known gangs are the very people we export. We cannot protect them so we export them. We cannot police our growing gang culture, so the good guys get the shove.

We are a nation that excels at exporting our troubles. Shame we have as yet not managed to export our scourges with the same gusto: paedophile priests, corrupt politicians, lazy regulators, greedy developers, hardened criminals, arrogant solicitors and choking bankers.

Jillian Godsil is a writer living south of Dublin. She runs a public relations business, is a freelance journalist and is writing four books this year. She lives with her two teenage girls, dog, cat and four horses in a tiny village. For more, see jilliangodsil.com.

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Comments (54 Comments)

  • It’s a gross understatement to say “there just wasn’t enough potatoes to go round so we exported our people”. A more accurate statement would be; ‘there were enough potatoes, which where exported from underneath the people causing starvation and forced emigration’.

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  • As one of the ‘exported’. I see the same problems of “paedophile priests, corrupt politicians, lazy regulators, greedy developers, hardened criminals, arrogant solicitors and choking bankers” here in the UK (not a paragon of good governance or social cohesion; not by an extended calciferous writing instrument I can assure you).
    I empathise with Ms Godsil’s frustrations about Mother Ireland, they are by and large the same concerns that we’ve had since God was a boy.
    I could (as a devil’s advocate) argue that our divorce laws allow for a longer reflective and cooling off period and I might wonder how many marriages were saved by this two stage process or I could with equal confidence suggest that bankruptcy is onerous because of the potential for dishonesty and abuse of the financial regulations that a more lax regime invites. But I won’t. I would however suggest a closer and perhaps a more post-colonialist reading as opposed to the West-Briton isn’t-Ireland-a-shithole-since-independence approach to the polemic. After all, it’s still less than a century since ‘we grew a pair’ and turfed out our rather less than competent and class-obsessed overlords. We need to give ourselves some credit, it’s been a rough and tumutuous century since ’16 and we’ve got the scars to prove it but we’re still a nation state with a big heart and a bigger footprint and we still have a hell of a lot to offer to the rest of the residents of this spinning ball of mud.

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  • eric 04/04/12 #

    Rubbish article.

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  • Dave 04/04/12 #

    A rant which clings desperately to certain events (the famine? Ireland was not even ruling itself at that time) to make its point. A intellectually lazy piece at best.

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    • There’s so much wrong with the article I really don’t know where to start. Just taking random events and desperately trying to apply this “export” theme. And trying to incorporate the Collins family into it. Thats just low.

      Its worse than the fassbender one she wrote a few weeks ago about her presumption that men get embarrassed around women because we are thinking of their crotch.
      I heard the journal are looking for journalists, if this kind of standard gets through id be tempted to apply.

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    • Dave 04/04/12 #

      Might consider it myself! This is actually a Kevin Myers-esque standard of one track thinking.

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  • many poits raised on issues we do need to deal with better, but over hyped, and overly negative.

    We need to take real action to address modern social issues, root out better corruption and encourage entrepreneurs to create jobs for all. Need positive action, not loosely researched knocking.

    Hope those four books are better market researched.

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  • Rather Depressing

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  • My previous comment was deleted….
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    So, author, I do believe you are mistaken on your assertion that the 26 counties exported sectarianism and violence to the 6 counties.
    I would respectfully suggest that you carry out further research on this topic, and look at issues such as social deprivation, denial of voting rights, manipulation of electoral areas in the six counties prior to the troubles, and even further back than partition.
    Good luck with your blog, and have a nice day.

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  • rather than a tendency to ‘export our problems’ which is ultimately just a silly theory, what this article highlights is a tendency of Irish people to be very very self-depricating

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  • Sam, my comment related to your assertion that ‘there were enough potatoes’ but they were exported due to the landlords. Firstly, it was grain and wheat which was mostly exported, while potatoes were the staple food of the people, and yes you are indeed right in saying that food was exported under guard, but this scene was actualy far less significant then people realise. Let me ask you how is it that you believe there were enough potatoes? But that these were exported leafing to a Famine? In 1845 there was 1/4 destruction of the potato crop, in 1847 and 1848,there was near complete (3/4′s or so) depletion and again there was a significant level of blight in 1848/49. Now, think of the amount of a shortfall there would have been in the tonnage of potatoes which 3 million out of 8.5 million people depended on. You also state that there was Famine in other European countries and no significant factor can set Ireland apart from these countries, but that factor is the social backwardness of the time, and the fact that 3 million people were allowed become dependent on a single source of food. Regardless, I think we have become to bogged down in debating a highly sensitive and detailed issue and we have both missed the main point, that above all! That was a very bad article…

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    • To clarify I don’t believe the exportation caused the famine, I believe the exportation exaggerated the effects of famine. Perhaps my assertion that there was enough potato’s was inaccurate but exports of other foods increased during the famine. I believe there was enough food in Ireland to feed the starving. Even still, why weren’t exports banned? Why weren’t the government importing food? There were some attempts by government to help (which failed), but others felt it was Gods way of punishing the Irish.

      I agree the article is terrible, I just took exception to the way the article smooths over the famine, there was no mention of the exportation of food which swelled the numbers of forced emigrants. Or does the author only want to paint Ireland in a certain light?

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    • You are right John. When the potato blight hit Belgium the government reacted by increasing taxes on food export and dropped the tax on food import. This resulted in cheap food coming in. The government also asked landlords to be lenient when tenants could not afford their rent as a direct result of the potato blight and soup kitchens were set up (mainly by the catholic church to feed the starving). While there were obviously people who starved as a direct result of the potato blight, there was never a famine. The 1847 typhoid epidemic however made as many victims as in Ireland.

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  • “grew a pair” and rebelled?!? Who the hell do you think you are? We couldn’t even react to the Famine either AS WE WERE A COLONY you stupid bag. You know, with all the chat of RTE standards I’d love to see the editorial policy of the Journal, because I’ve seen children scrawl better stuff on walls.

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  • The words ‘largely xenophobic’ are a deliberate attempt by the author to provoke a response! Pathetic! Also did you consider this is a small island nation and import/export is inevitable! Why not put the word ‘troll’ between your name Ms Godsill!

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  • @ Jillian Godsil: We don’t export our problems. You forgot the decades where rape/incest victims, unmarried pregnant women were incarcerated in the Magdalene Asylums – to a life of slave labour. Indeed these women were called ‘offenders’! The only exports from those places were the babies which were sold on to devout American Catholics. Then there was the ‘problem’ of what to do with the children of failed marriages in a Republic that banned divorce. These children were incarcerated in the Industrial Schools – to physical and sexual torture.

    No, we don’t export our problems. Our problems are political, financial & religious corruption. And we have those aplenty!

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  • Also the tenant farmers who’s other crops were exported by their landlords and the only crop they could by law keep for themselves was potatoes had no choice to immigrate or starve. Hopefully jillian you don’t have to export the problem of your 2 teenage daughters. As for Yeats he leaves a well paying job in newstalk to “concentrate on financial issues” makes perfect sense high tail it to the uk and let us working people of Ireland pick up the pieces

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    • There was a bigger problem with land tenure in Ireland than simply “crops being exported by their landlords. It was not unusual for a piece of land to be let 4 or 5 times at that time. By this I mean Landlords rented out their land in blocks for a long term, say 200 acres for 3 lives, the tenant may have farmed over half of it and re-rented say 60 acres. the tenant of the 60 acres may have farmed 40 acres and sublet the remaining land in four 5 acre blocks on a yearly basis. The yearly tenant then kept two acres for himself and sublet 3 mud cabins with and acre each. So as you can see the same piece of ground was rented 5 times. The cottier at the end of the chain paid a rent that was racked 4 times from the rent recieved by the landowner. In fact a not insignificant proportion of landowners went bust after the famine because of not receiving and sold their estates through the Encumbered Estates condition. Fast forward 165 years and we are no better off!!!!!!! Land was bought form the landlords at about 20-25 times annual rent. It now trades at over 60 times annual rent. This valuation is perpetuated by our financial institutions who now are now looking at an overvalued farmland portfolio. Jill’s point while not well put accross in this article, and I happen to agree with, is that where Financial Institutions have (over)valued assets such as houses, offices and loaned a proportion of the valuation (which gave them good cover) they should accept the asset if returned to them in good condition in full and final settlement of the debt.

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  • http://jilliangodsil.com/

    “writing my way out of trouble”

    Questionable

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  • JPM 04/04/12 #

    Very questionable piece and more in keeping with Daily Mail sensationalism than The
    Journal.

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  • Rubbish article and badly written.

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  • Boring unionist propaganda sigh….

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  • Jacob 04/04/12 #

    This isn’t a news article, it’s a steaming pile of crap!

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  • The parts about the bankruptcy laws fails to mention the reported 1 in 4 people who can actually afford to pay their mortgage but refuse to on the hope that debt forgiveness will save them a few quid, at the cost of the rest of us.

    Not everybody is leaving, and those who stay
    and slog through the hard times here, paying their way are the real heros.

    As per many others, gotta agree though that this is a terrible article

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  • Fagan's 04/04/12 #

    There can be no doubt that emigration on the scales we experience is unique to Ireland. It’s a tool to keep things the way they are, other countries when faced with economic crisis, re-organize their economy. We get rid of a generation.

    As for Jane’s idea that we exported the problem of sectarian anger over the border. In the North it was legal to refuse a Catholic employment because of their religion or stated nationality up till 1989. One man, one vote only came in 1972, 16 years after african-americans got it.

    The establishment in the 6 counties was a little South Africa in Europe.

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  • more an attempt at academic creativity than journalism… Author attempts to create a ‘trope’ of the word export, which used rightly would not apply to most instances cited. Doesn’t hold together as a piece IMO

    By the way I assume the author meant ‘economic immigrants’ in the sixth para.

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  • There does seem to be a knee jerk reaction in Irish people to flee the country when the economy gets bad. I can’t think of any other nation which exhibits this trait to such a degree. Is it because we are too wedded to the image of ourselves as employees rather than entrepreneurs who are capable of making our living independently? It’s a mentality of dependency.

    But in some of her examples the author pushes her theme of exportation too far. We export our pregnant mothers, and the breakdown of marriage?

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    • No James,
      They go because they can – if there are better jobs to be had overseas then they are going to go , are they not?
      Emigration (these days) is possible in many cases because of good education and skills, and Irish workers are well regarded. If it wasnt so sad that so many people have had to emigrate it could be a source of pride

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  • if the author thinks this is an Irish speciality what does she call the mass emigration to Ireland for the past 15 yrs – that is called exporting some Eastern European and some African problems to Ireland.

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  • Not too sure what The Journals agenda is in the column section, however, it seems to be non stop bashing of Irish society!

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  • Sorry emigrate before the vocab police come knocking

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  • Sam, I believe you will find that your own statement, is a gross misinterpretation of the Famine period. The starvation and dearth was not caused by the Irish potato crop being simply exported from underneath the Irish people of the time (which I believe you may be hinting was done by Irish landlords or the British government of the time), but was caused by a blight upon the crop which partially and then nearly completely destroyed the staple food of the people in the years 1845 and 1846/47 respectively. The belief, that was most fervently articulated by the nationalist John Mitchel and later other nationalist writers, that during the calamity for every ship which entered Irish ports with Indian meal was passed by twelve ships laden with Irish food exports is simply wrong. It is a belief (and a very confused one at that) which no serious Famine historian would remotely believe.

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    • Absolutely correct John. Whilst the famine was a tragic and definitive period in our history, the folk memory/popular beliefs unfortunately do not tally with the facts, as most famine scholars will confirm.
      Bracing myself for red thumbs here, but just because lots of people want to believe a certain version of events doesn’t make it true…

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    • The potato crop failed all over Europe, it wasn’t just an Irish famine, yet in Ireland a significantly higher proportion of people died or were forced into emigration. 25% of the population? Why was that? Potato dependency played a part, poverty played a part, landlords played a part and the governments response played a part. There is no one single factor that meant Ireland was significantly worse off than other countries, a combination including the fact ports werent closed (as was the case with earlier famines), Ireland remained a net exporter and food was exported under guard from the farms to port to protect it. I think you are mistaken if you believe no historian would agree with that. The fact was the crops were worth money, and the Irish people couldnt avail of their own crop let alone buy them.

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    • Fagan's 04/04/12 #

      Ireland at the time produced enough food to feed 20 mn people. The food exported from Ireland was feeding most of England at the time. People forget that this wasn’t the only famine, there were about 100 instances of famine in the country in the previous century. Localized events that often claimed up to a 100 lives, one in Cork in the 1820’s claimed about 200k lives.

      Even continental writers at the time commentated on the disgrace that was starvation in Ireland but I suppose they were crpto German, Dutch and French provo’s.

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  • So, my comment gets taken down but this article stays up?

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  • To Jillian If you wrote this article about Black people it would be classed as racism. SHAME ON YOU.

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  • censored 06/04/12 #

    “But then when a timely and largely indiscriminate thin red line was drawn across the upper province of our country, we managed to export the actual violence and daily grind of sectarian anger and destruction over the border.”

    My God, you work in PR? What is this sentence supposed to mean? This is a terrible article, and your views on Ireland are almost racist.

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  • Diorai D 05/04/12 #

    Yet another article from the Journal pushing abortion.

    Less views and more news …….. please.

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  • Hi all, thanks for your comments. I’ve had to remove some threads – our comments policy forbids personal abuse including against other commenters and writers. Please have a read of the full policy here: http://www.thejournal.ie/comments-policy/. Thanks!

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