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Column: Never forget – Hitler targeted the Irish-Jewish community for extermination

Children found at the Auschwitz concentration camp when it was liberated on 27 January 1945
Children found at the Auschwitz concentration camp when it was liberated on 27 January 1945
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ALLIED SOLDIERS ARRIVED at the gates of the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp 67 years ago today, 27 January 1945.  It had become the largest graveyard of the Jewish people in history.

An estimated 1.1 to 1.3 million people were exterminated there, 90 per cent of them Jewish men, women and children. Others exterminated included Roma families, people with disabilities, homosexuals, prisoners of conscience and religious faith.

Nothing could prepare the camps liberators for what they witnessed in Auschwitz.

The remnants of the gas chambers and the crematoria; the mounds of bodies; the stench of death; the piles of clothes; of teeth; of childrens’ shoes and barely living skeletal survivors; the speaking bones who greeted their arrival.  By the war’s end, it was estimated that 6 million Jews had been exterminated by the Nazi killing machine in pursuit of the objective of a Judenfrei world.  If Hitler had achieved his objectives no Jewish community in Europe would have been exempt from the Nazi slaughter, not even those resident in neutral Ireland.

In Yad Vashem in Jerusalem, a map of Europe prepared by Adolf Eichmann, one of the main architects of the extermination policy, includes the estimated 4,000 members of the then Irish Jewish community targeted for extermination.  Clearly, had Germany succeeded in invading Britain, our proclaimed war time neutrality would have provided no protection for the small Irish Jewish community nor presented any real barrier to a German invasion.

It is of vital importance that we and future generations remember and learn from the horrors of the past to ensure they are not repeated in the future. In his book The Drowned and the Saved Primo Levi writes that “human memory is a  marvellous  but fallacious instrument. This is a threadbare truth, known not only to psychologists but also to anyone who has paid attention to the behaviour of those who surround him or even to his own behaviour. The memories which lie within us are not carved in stone;  not only do they tend to become erased as the years go by, but often they change or even increase by incorporating extraneous features”.

Despite everything witnessed, the accounts of survivors and the voluminous records maintained by Germany itself of the Nazi killing machine and the many Holocaust memorials and museums worldwide, there are now too many in Europe who know very little of the horrors perpetrated in the second quarter of the last century and far too many in the State of Israel’s neighbours  in the volatile Middle East engaged in Holocaust denial. Again in the words of Primo Levi, “the further events fade into the past, the more the construction of convenient truth grows and is perfected.”

These acts of evil emerged in one of the more modern and sophisticated societies of the era

As the years pass by and the remaining survivors of the Nazi horror who can tell the story first-hand reduce in number, it becomes more important than ever that we keep alive the shocking memory of the Holocaust. It is crucial that we never forget what happened or diminish the scale of the horror that was perpetrated by the Nazi regime.

It is difficult to comprehend how a society could have allowed such unimaginable atrocities to occur. We must remember that the Holocaust did not occur in a vacuum. These acts of evil emerged in one of the more modern and sophisticated societies of the era.

Tools and advances made toward human progress were used for human destruction.  Scientific and medical advances designed to heal and save lives were used to kill.  Education which should enlighten was used to justify grotesquely immoral actions.  People made choices. Some chose to be involved in some way in the destruction, others chose to do and say nothing,  while some chose to resist the evil and do the right thing to support, protect and save the persecuted.

An  inconvenient truth is that those who chose to do and say nothing during this unprecedented period in European history includes the Irish State.  In the period following Hitler coming to power and preceding the Second World War, the  doors of our State were kept firmly closed to German Jewish families trying  to flee from persecution and death. The advice of the anti-Semitic then-Irish Ambassador in Berlin, Charles Bewley, that Ireland should be protected from the contamination that would result from granting residential visas to Jewish refugees resulted in practically all visa requests  being  refused.

In the context of the Holocaust, Irish neutrality was a principle of moral bankruptcy

This position was maintained from 1939 to 1945 and we should no longer be in denial that, in the context of the Holocaust, Irish neutrality was a principle of  moral bankruptcy. This  moral bankruptcy was compounded by the then Irish Government who, after the war, only allowed an indefensibly small number who survived the concentration camps to settle permanently in Ireland whilst refusing entry and permanent residence to many more and also by the visit of President De Valera to then German Ambassador Edouard Hemple in 1945 to express his condolences on the death  of  Hitler. At a time when neutrality should have ceased to be an issue, the Government of this State utterly lost its moral compass.

So,  in understanding the Holocaust and maintaining its memory, in ensuring that the conditions which allow such evil to flourish to such devastating consequences can never again prevail, we should not forget or ignore the failures of this State and this State’s responsibility for such failures.

John Bruton, as Taoiseach, in the Spring of 1995, acknowledged our State’s failures and honoured the memory of those millions of European Jews who died in the Holocaust. When doing so, he acknowledged that the Holocaust “was not the product of an alien culture. It happened in Europe in living memory. It was a product of intolerance, bigotry and a distorted concept of nationalism.”

In  the midst of the ongoing fiscal and banking crisis that currently  impacts on the nations of Europe, including our State, we should never lose sight of the extraordinary contribution of the European Union in providing the political architecture for peace and stability in Europe.  As Europeans we must all ensure that in addressing vital issues of immediate concern that affect the lives of tens of millions, it is the European ideals of peace, cooperation and solidarity and not extreme nationalism nor narrow domestic political concerns which motivate our actions.

It is appropriate that we revisit the morality of the conduct of our State during the 1930s and ’40s, whilst of course being conscious of the fact that only a short time earlier, we had regained our independence from Britain and there was an understandable concern by Government to ensure, insofar as possible,  political stability on this island at a time of global conflict.

No-one should assume that what happened in the past cannot be repeated in the future

However, there were questionable things both done and not done and we should not be in denial nor should we ignore that the conduct of our State, at that time, in the eyes of some, delimits Ireland’s moral authority and credibility when today we seek to lecture later generations of those whose families  survived the Holocaust on the conduct of their affairs in Israel, without regard to the extent to which they believe themselves under existential threat.

No-one should assume that what happened in the past cannot be repeated in the future. The truth is we should pay greater attention to the dead.

We must never forget the lessons of the past when we make, or urge others to make, decisions which impact on the future. We should never ignore the extent to which their past impacts on their perception of the present and fuels their fears of the future or causes them to question the judgement of others.

I am pleased that Ireland became a full member of the International Task Force on Holocaust Education, Remembrance and Research in December 2011. This Task Force is a voice of moral authority on the international stage in raising awareness about the Holocaust and can help address the dynamics that we know precede mass killings and genocide.

Ireland’s 10th National Holocaust Memorial Day commemoration, organised by the  Holocaust Education Trust Ireland, will take place this coming Sunday, January 29. This commemoration event, which is now firmly established in the Irish national calendar, has been supported by my Department since 2003 and I am very pleased to be in a position to continue that support.

For well over a decade, we have commemorated and paid tribute to the estimated 10,000 Irish people who died in British uniforms during the Second World War. Many who fought  in British uniforms during that War returned to Ireland. For too many years, their contribution in preserving European and Irish democracy was ignored. Some of those include members of our Defence  Forces who left this island during that time to fight for freedom and who were subsequently dishonourably discharged from the Defence Forces.

I believe it is also appropriate that we revisit the manner in which they were treated whilst also remembering that those who served in our  Defence Forces throughout that time performed a crucial national duty. It is untenable that we commemorate those who died whilst continuing to ignore the manner in which our State treated the living, in the period immediately after World War II, who returned to our State having fought for freedom  and  democracy. This is an issue to which I hope to return in my role as Minister for Defence later this year.

Alan Shatter is Minister for Justice, Equality and Defence.

Today is Holocaust Memorial Day.

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  • Eggfuel 27/01/12 #
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    As an ex member of the British forces I am proud that this is being tackled so strongly.
    At last………
    It was Ireland’s darkest hour………

    • Sorecha Smyth 27/01/12 #
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      Darkest hour! Get real. How nationalistic of you to fight for another country in an era when when you could easily fight for your own and now as an X member of said country’s forces come back and say your proud of Eire. WTF

    • Tim Henchin 27/01/12 #
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      Neutrality was the right course, and while I’m no fan of DeValera. I think that his approach in WW2 was correct and his finest hour.

    • Eggfuel 27/01/12 #
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      First They Came

      First they came for the Communists
      And I did not speak out
      Because I was not a Communist
      Then they came for the Socialists
      And I did not speak out
      Because I was not a Socialist
      Then they came for the trade unionists
      And I did not speak out
      Because I was not a trade unionist
      Then they came for the Jews
      And I did not speak out
      Because I was not a Jew
      Then they came for me
      And there was no one left
      To speak out for me

      By Pastor Martin Niemöller (from the dept website)

    • Pilib O Muiregan 27/01/12 #
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      The same British army that opened fire at a civil rights march in Derry, killing unarmed protesters. The same British army that colluded in bombing Dublin, Monaghan and Belturbit. The same British army that treated the nationlist community in Northern Ireland as second class citzens. The same Army that opperated a shoot to kill policy of SUSPECTED members of the IRA where many unarmed people where killed. Yes as an ex British service man you have plenty to be proud of.

    • Eggfuel 27/01/12 #
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      I think its amazing that the irish as a people who have suffered so much by occupation and control by powers such as the british and the roman catholic church have learned so little…
      Hatred, racism, bigotry and violence have not solved one single problem in history…
      Love forgiveness and understanding have prevailed every single time even in adversary…..
      Pilip i ask you to list where hatred and violence have solved problems…
      When you have thought about that ask what the real reason is that you are so angry…

      Isn’t it about time Ireland learned to forgive and with it let go of the chains of moral poverty…
      Its about time Ireland learned to shine…..

    • Muc Beag 27/01/12 #
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      @Sorecha @Pilib

      The two of you make me ashamed to have been brought up in Ireland. Glad I’ve left now.

    • Tom Mooney 27/01/12 #
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      @Sorecha @Pilib – Moral bankruptcy lives on.

  • Martin Healy 27/01/12 #
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    Not a period of Irish history Im proud of. Ireland then was very much like Iran is now, inward looking and myopic.

    • Bobby Fox 27/01/12 #
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      countries gaining independence must first become self sufficient before they open to the world or else they will be drowned in a flood of outside goods and capital..

  • Darren Englishby 27/01/12 #
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    I don’t think it was fair what Dev did after the war with these guys , that said thy should have stayed in Ireland and been ready to protect Irish people from both Germans and Brits both of whom would hav run riot if they had crossed over , so maybe an apology for black listing them but that’s it ,the end of the day they should have been here protecting there own…..

  • Tony Dunne 27/01/12 #
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    Who cares , we have had enough about this story which is over 70 years old, people who continue to dewll on the past would be better off living for today and planning for the future,what happened happened, accept it and get on with it ,I dont see Irish people looking for recognition with an annual Famine rememberance day , or maybe is this just a egoistic zioinst trait

    • Garreth OMahony 27/01/12 #
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      Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it

    • Ann-Marie Wallis 27/01/12 #
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      Who cares?! Yerah feck sakes, get over yourself. As Garreth rightly pointed out, we cannot afford to forget one of Ireland’s most shameful periods of history. I currently live in the east end of London, traditionally a very Jewish community but most have moved out now. The Holocaust remembrance ceremonies are still a huge yearly event and bring the whole community together…not just Jews but span across all nationalities and faiths.

    • Emsy wemsy 27/01/12 #
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      This is a major part of world history,a huge mistake that should never be forgotten about! If we forget our history then where will that leave us?

    • Muc Beag 28/01/12 #
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      “A wise man learns from the mistakes of others, a fool from his own”

      I tend to apply that dictum to history. Nothing excuses repeated mistakes when we have a rich library of such errors from which to learn.

    • Michael Cuthbert 28/01/12 #
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      Tony. What is an egoistic Zionist trait?

    • Naomi Dara Gibson 28/01/12 #
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      Tony Dunne….”who cares” you say?????? Most people with any sort of a heart with a moral and respectful beat in it DO care. Irish people still talk (and let no one forget) about their years of “oppression”. What happened to the Jewish people is so horrific that we today can barely comprehend it today. How can you say “who cares” when millions of lives were tortured,slaughtered brutally? The world must NEVER forget and NEVER let it happen again. Over 6million Jewish people were killed out of racist hatred(and that figure are only the ones accounted for and listed by the way). It was a dark our for Ireland and for every other country that stood back from helping. It was also a dark hour for Ireland when they turned their backs on our brave men that went to risk their lives in that war.When they returned home to this country,after surviving a terrible war,scared and emotionally destroyed but proud……. what did Ireland do? Turned their backs,called them traitors…. A dark hour,yes indeed.

    • Anton Meade 28/01/12 #
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      I agree. Those who seek to rewrite and restate history do so for one reason: to support and justify modern policy, in this case the savage policy of Israel towards the Palestinians, and the drive towards war with Iran. Once we think of Jews as victims then the hope is that we wont criticise Israel. Israels constant effort to have its state speak for, and be identified with, all Jews is a stomach turning example of modern propaganda. For alternative views read Tony Judt, Avi Shalim, Norman Finkelstein, Raul Dildberg, all Jewish scholars who clearly show the link between the pseudo historical ‘Holocaust Studies’ genre and the Israeli state.

  • Joe Sixtwo 27/01/12 #
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    An excellent article. Heydrich and Eichmann had 6000 Irish Jews on their list during the Wansee conference.

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    This article serves to remind me of how blinkered and perverse the establishment in Ireland really is. Nothing has been learned since 1945 or before.

    Successive so called Irish Governments have been using opinions in law over 8000 times since at least 1992. Opinions in law strip all recognition from the people.

    Opinions in law are a crime and 90 years of crimes against the people of Ireland is clearly treason and crimes against humanity. It is beyond doubt that Ireland has employed enough people in law who could have stopped the use of opinions in favour of evidence and protected the people. Those employed in law have their own agenda which has nothing to do with obeying law.

    You cannot keep proper records with opinions hiding the details and the identity of most of the victims will never be known. It is most unlikely that any prosecution will ever take place because Ireland has its own form of Nazism running law. Ireland seriously needs a new court system that will stop this form of propaganda contained in this article and force the truth to come out.

    In more recent times the social staff have been using opinions to leave Irish People to starve while financing pretentious American Corporations. Opinions and leaving people to starve while financing American Corporations is Retributive Genocide. The most vulnerable left to starve will most likely commit suicide when also denying them protection by law. Should mass murder by suicide be recognised as crimes against humanity. Is mass murder by suicide any worse than the gas chambers?

    The biggest mistake Hitler ever made was never to use opinions in law. If Hitler had used opinions in law to hide the details of his crimes he might still be living among us today.

    • Seán Ó Briain 27/01/12 #
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      Er, what?

    • Killian Maher 27/01/12 #
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      @Sean he always tries to link this in to every article no matter how irrelevant his point is to the article. In short he dislikes common law.

    • Neicy in Cork 27/01/12 #
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      Jeez enough of the opinions in law already!!

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      @Seán Ó Briain:
      @Killian Maher:
      @Neicy in Cork:
      And the 34 thumbs down.

      You are probably some of the dumbest people in history.

    • Neicy in Cork 27/01/12 #
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      Don’t feed the troll guys ;)

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      @Neicy in Cork:

      Your comment is a very serious assumption that people bother to read what you write, when you clearly do not understand the subjects.

    • Neicy in Cork 27/01/12 #
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      Right – this from someone calling me and 40+ other people the dumbest people in the world? You care enough to respond? This was an appalling event that happened in the not so distant past not about name calling. I’ll leave it at that.

    • Emsy wemsy 27/01/12 #
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      Killian, your answer made me laugh,brilliant comment :)

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      @Neicy in Cork: 40+ fools is still going to be 40+ fools.

      You and they could prove me wrong by telling how opinions in law impact on people’s rights.

    • Muc Beag 28/01/12 #
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      Can I ask you Loyal Irish, do you have any expertise in law? I’m trying to decide whether I should stop bothering with your comments or take you (somewhat) seriously.

    • Killian Maher 28/01/12 #
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      @Muc Beag he/she does not have any legal expertise. Or if he/she does they are trolling. There is a clear and utterly fundamental misunderstanding of common law obvious from posts. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing! I am aware I may be feeding the trolls though

    • Killian Maher 28/01/12 #
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      I will briefly explain as I have nothing better to do-

      There are 2 forms of opinion that he could be talking about as the posts do have an awful lot of nonsense in them and it is difficult to see exactly what he is talking about.

      1) Opinions in common law make up the judicial decision, our legal system is not entirely proscriptive and many of the acts and SIs signed into law have an element of interpretation that is required. This is as the legislators can’t foresee every possibility so leave the interpretation to the judiciary on a case by case basis- this builds up to form the law -as the courts interpret the acts based on previous decisions and the general intention of the legislators. When an opinion leads to a new interpretation it is published. When it is effectively a reiteration they do not bother to publish it as that would be an unnecessary waste of our money. If it is a new direction it is published as it forms the future law and can be overruled by a higher court thus must be available to all.

      2)As members of the legislature are not always legal experts they may seek council from a legal expert such as a barrister, solicitor or the attorney general to check a point of law. These are generally not published, barring exceptional circumstances, but why would they be? They are simply a fact (but based on an experts opinion thus the name) checking exercise, comparable to a public representative had to publish every time he checked the oxford english dictionary.

      There is essentially no way to misconstrue the 2nd point as to believe it is in some way robbing us of freedom so I am going to presume it is the 1st point. And the 1st point effectively is one of the fundamental bases for common law, the legal system of canada, the UK, Australia, The USA, Ireland and some more.

      To which I can return to my earlier comment -he dislikes common law!

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      @Muc Beag: Nobody is an expert on law in Ireland. Most of those employed in law should probably get another career. Whether you choose to read my comments is up to you. I would suggest you never take what I say on face value and look to read the rule books for yourself. It will do you no harm.

      @Killian Maher: I do not need a dimwit like you speaking for me. If you think that you have skills to asses opinions in law then take the following test.

      You cannot have an opinion on everything for that would make you a god, which means you can only have an opinion some of the time.

      The test is for you to demonstrate when you have opinion and when you do not.

      Example Can you have an opinion on a book you did not read? You have to work out how many books that you have read on comparison to how many book there are in Ireland

      You also have to demonstrate how you can obey law with opinions that do not exist.

      You can then demonstrate how does anyone apply law if they cannot figure out when they have an opinion and when they do not.

      If you cannot pass the test then shut up.

    • Killian Maher 28/01/12 #
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      @Muc Beag Loyal Irish citizen has just answered your question better than I ever could!…

    • Muc Beag 28/01/12 #
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      @LoyalIrish

      My God… You’re so stupid it actually makes my head hurt. Honestly dumbfounded. My feelings for you have gone from bemusement to pity. Just…. What?!

      Honestly, the fuck are you on about? Law student here, meaning I’ve at least 4 years of expertise over yourself (although apparently that doesn’t count in your eyes, for reasons yet to be revealed) and I can’t make a shred of sense from what you’re saying.

      Can you answer me seriously, where did you get this from? Did you arrive at this yourself from your own “research”? What did this “research” involve?

      Is the whole world wrong and stupid and dim-witted except for yourself?

      Christ almighty…

    • Muc Beag 28/01/12 #
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      Actually, don’t bother. I’m not gonna bother finding this page again – I’ve wasted enough time on you and your daft crusade against opinions in general.

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      @Muc Beag: You need to get another job if you cannot figure out how opinions effect law.

      99% of the time opinions do not exist. What do you think a police force should look for?

      Opinions do not exist. How does anybody keep proper records / administration with opinions?

      The use of opinions in law incapacitates a police force. Which criminal elements of society need to incapacitate a police force?

      Opinions do exist. Opinions not exist. Figure it out or get another career.

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      @Muc Beag: Typo!

      Opinions do exist. Opinions do not exist. Figure it out or get another career.

  • Charles Mark 27/01/12 #
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    All those intellectuals who routinely trot out the mantra that Israel today is just like Nazi Germany should bow their hateful heads in shame.There’s no issue with reasoned criticism of Israel, but that comparison so glibly used is reprehensible.(For the benefit of those who deploy another mantra, I am not accusing all or even most critics of Israel of being “anti-Semitic”).

    • Anton Meade 28/01/12 #
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      Could you state the name of those intellectuals? To my knowledge it really is only a minority activists who say that Israel is JUST LIKE Nazi Germany. Of course many intellectuals have said that there are some similarities in policies towards ethnic undesirables, the disfranchisement of the Jews by the Nazis is interesting to compare to Israels treatment of the Palestinians. Also propaganda, and the ethnocentrism of both states. However Nazism, or more accurately Hitlerism, died with Hitler. Its an era that can never be reproduced, that much has been admitted by even the most hardcore revisionists such as Ernst Zundel. Zionism however is alive and well, and Zionisms most effective weapon is to constantly evoke the Holocaust to distract from its barbaric and inhumane crimes. So sir before you appear once again to invoke your fellow citizens to hang their head in shame please remind yourself that many of your fellow citizens can actually think for themselves and dont subscribe to media driven consensus opinions, such as you seem to do.

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    There will always be the occasional fool who thinks we need to move on from the Holocaust but you need only look at the faith of the Minister to see we have a long way to go yet. It took a Jewish-Irish Minister to make these points. Only when non-jews speak out as stridently as he has will we know that we have made progress.

    I am no great fan of the Minister, and he is no great fan of the gay community (odd considering our shared history) but I’m proud of the work his Department has done for National Holocaust Memorial Day and the work of the Holocaust Education Trust. In recent years they have worked hard to ensure all the victims have been commemorated. Find out more on http://www.hetireland.org or get your local school involved in the Crocus Project.

  • Marlon Major 27/01/12 #
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    A patriot is defined as a person who loves his or her country and supports its authority and interests of said country. So with this being said, Adolf Hitler and Adolf Eichmann were patriots at the the cost of millions of lives and enduring enfimy… As such costs…. Germany has made it a point to insure such behavior and acts will never happen again.

    The questions that stands in my mind are… What have we learned in our country? Is Haughey still considered a patriot? Is Charles Brewely considered a patriot? Am I considered a patriot? I pay my taxes. I am here legally. I obey the laws and I love this country.

    • Tim Henchin 27/01/12 #
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      I would not define a patriot as someone who supports the authority of their country. A patriot should act in the best long term interests of his country and its people. If that means defying the authority of that state, then so be it. Operation Valkyrie being a point in case.

    • Leslie Alan Rock 27/01/12 #
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      Nicely put Marlon

  • Tim Henchin 27/01/12 #
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    Shatter is a great admirer of the Irgun, the Jewish military org. that fought the British in the 40′s in Palestine for the right to set up an Israeli state there.

    Ironically enough, while his own party were railing against the Jews in Europe, and demanding that the Killers of Christ not be given refuge here. The only Jewish TD was Bob Briscoe, of FF, who personally trained the head of the Irgun in the early 40′s, Bob was a prominent IRA Vol. over 1916-1923 conflict. He saw it as a way of continuing the struggle against English imperialism while obviously having a religious sympathy as well.

    How many of these supposed anti-fascists deserted to fight Franco.

    Give them the Pardon but lets not dress it up. They left this state in its hour of need, when it was at threat from enemies near and further afield.

    • Tom Sullivan 27/01/12 #
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      @Tim The Irgun were a terrorist organisation, describing them otherwise is being disingenuous at best.

    • Graham Mace 27/01/12 #
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      “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”
      As for “leaving the state in it’s hour of need”, it may have appeared so at the time. With the benefit of hindsight and the context of history it is apparent those men fought the same foe and did it as patriotically as those who remained to guard the home front.
      As for antisemitism, it wasn’t uncommon in the Catholic church at the time of the emergency. Irish men and women would not be inherently antisemitic at all, but they might have been encouraged to regard the Jews in an unfavourable way if that was what the priests told them to believe. Fortunately, the power of the cloth is receding faster than the tide at Bundoran.

  • Jean Baeyens 27/01/12 #
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    We have heard enough about that, my grandfather fought against the nazis and he wasn’t in the newspaper to talk about it for the last 70 years!!! Get real and move on instead of trying to spread the guilt ad vitam eternam. It was 2 generations ago and if we had films and photographs of the last 1000 years we would be overload with atrocities to remember (the great hunger comes to mind).

  • Andy Leisk 27/01/12 #
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    Never forget – Fine Gael are doing the financially same thing to this country now…

    • alan 27/01/12 #
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      the kind of inappropriate comparison that leads nowhere

    • Muc Beag 28/01/12 #
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      Why is this comment in every article on this bloody webstie?! No matter what the relevance??

      I mean I saw an article on a new exoplanet discovered that had a comment underneath about bondholders. Seriously…

      This is why I hate people.

  • Emma O'Brien 27/01/12 #
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    Would it not be more pertinent to hold Memorial days for the Genocide victims of Cambodia, Bosnia, Rwanda, Darfur, Sudan? All of which occured not just in our recent history but in our lifetime? What measures did recent Irish Governments take to stop these atrocities I wonder?

    • Shanti Om 27/01/12 #
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      And while we are at it..
      There’s the Armenian Genocide which is suppose to have given Hitler the idea for the concentration camps.
      There’s the equivalent 6 million non Jews who were killed in those same camps in Nazi Germany.
      There’s the 11 million Ukranians killed just before the Holocaust by the Russians (Bolsheviks if memory serves).. The Holodomor.. They call it a peacetime famine but anyone who reads how it happened can see that it was intended. There’s a story full of false rhetoric if ever there was one..

      None of this was ever mentioned in history at school, just the Jewish fate in the holocaust, which was horrendous – nothing can take away from that fact, but just as we should be remembering the Holocaust, we should not be ignoring everything else – which certainly seems to be the case..

    • Dermot Murphy 27/01/12 #
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      Not much oil there

    • Emsy wemsy 27/01/12 #
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      There’s camps in north Korea today. People are going through very similar to the holocaust right now….

    • Caroline Dimascio 27/01/12 #
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      I lived in Spain, and reading about the history of Franco, who was a good friend of Hitler before the war, (up until it looked like Hitler would loose, when he swapped sides), was suppose to be the one who taught Hitler about the concentration camps, as he was already doing it in Spain with the Catholic Church in full knowledge. And on holiday about 15 years ago, I visited a couple of the camps, now just fields really as the wooden huts have rotted away, but in Poland. There is still a debate going on as to whether, there was a majority of Jews, so even today people refuse to hear the truth. So how can it be forgotten.

    • Tony Newitt 27/01/12 #
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      Concentration Camps were ” invented” by the British during the Boer War by rounding up the families of the Boer Commandos …… very many died of illness and starvation in the camps … but that is not part of the British history taught in Irish schools. Seeing as how De Valera’s father was allegedly Jewish makes this whole story by Mr. Shatter rather vague and suspicious as to it’s timing and implications.
      The behaviour of most european countries especially Britain after the WWII with regards to ships filled with refugees trying to get to Palastine does not win any prizes either.

    • Graham Mace 27/01/12 #
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      All atrocities and genocides are unforgiveable. The thing about the Holocaust in particular is that is a totemic moment of history for several reasons.
      It was conducted during a World War. This makes it more memorable than “local” atrocities.
      Because the victims were Jews, Gypsies and Homosexuals it touches on people of every nation. There are Jews and Gypsies living in many countries, before the establishment of Israel Jews did not have a homeland. I am sure everybody knows somebody who is gay? The people who Hitler would have exterminated are here today and you, me, WE all know them. That makes the Holocaust important as it is a single, universal reminder of what can happen if we let it.

    • Tony Newitt 27/01/12 #
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      The Holocaust was not only about Jews,Gays & Gypsies ……Invalids , Mentally ill, Socialists & Workers even Priests & Nuns ended up in Camps but nobody mentions those anymore . I suppose I am lucky in the respect that I have known some of the survivors and heard some of the stories and seen the damage done.

      It is a human condition that has to be fought every single day in every way …. do you open your mouth when someone starts blaming Foreigners or Germans or whoever for your world’s problems ? or do you dare to contradict them.? ……. or do you wait until later and say … why did nobody intervene ? … like the poem above says….

    • Emsy wemsy 27/01/12 #
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      Blaming a set group for the worlds problems is so annoying I find incredibly hard to hold my tongue. Most of the time I actually enjoy the arguments…..sometimes though,you come across someone who won’t even take your points in and spew so much shite that it just gets too frustrating….had that problem on another thread the other day actually

    • Graham Mace 27/01/12 #
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      @ emsy wemsy Your point about human rights (lack of) is valid in terms of the wider argument. It will be interesting, when sufficient evidence emerges, to see if six million were exterminated. Terrible as the regime there is, there is a vital distinction to be drawn. Which is that Kim and co are committing atrocities against their OWN people. Of course, this still makes Mr Shatter’s assertion that “history can repeat itself” as true. If Kim can do it to his own I doubt he would have qualms about doing it unto others.
      The fact remains that the Holocaust was and is the largest and most memorable mass extinction program known worldwide and serves not only as a reminder of how low mankind can sink, but as a beacon to hold up in order that it may never happen again. A heavy moral burden on the Jewish people.

    • Patrick Murphy 28/01/12 #
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      It was the British during the Boer War that introduced the world to the Concentration Camp system of control of partisan activity of the Afrikaaner fighters – their wives and children were interned for the duration to stop them aiding their spouses-on-the-run; and many many died of untreated TB in those camps. Much like we had our fathers eating grass at the roadside while the Victorian Englanders gave us f-all relief in the 1840s. We know about genocide over 1000 years.

  • Mark Malone 27/01/12 #
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    FRONTEX. Google it.

  • Glyn Carragher 27/01/12 #
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    Irelands stance during the second world war was very much one of wait and see, it was certainly felt that no matter who won Ireland would eak out some benefit. In the case of Germany “winning”, Irelands Military secret service G2 prepared a folder in 1942 of the names and addresses of every single Jew living in Ireland so that the could delt with in accordance with Nazi wishes should they arrive in Ireland. I have seen and read this document and it is quite chilling.

    • Leigh Power 27/01/12 #
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      I find that hard to believe. Have you any source for this? Where’d you see this document?

    • Eggfuel 27/01/12 #
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      I am rather shocked at this fact: (quote above)
      “and also by the visit of President De Valera to then German Ambassador Edouard Hemple in 1945 to express his condolences on the death of Hitler”

      That is about as despicable as you can get and reflects a pro nazi view totally.. The horrors of what hitler did were coming to light and no nation offered condolences for the death of Adolf Hitler…. Ireland did…!!!!!!!
      Holy Christ have the Irish supporting this tack taken leave of your senses…….
      WOW…

    • Glyn Carragher 27/01/12 #
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      @ Leigh, G2 archive Cathal Brugha Barracks, Dublin. Also there are letters intercepted from European jews to Irish citizens during the “emergency”

    • Bobby Fox 27/01/12 #
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      eggfuels comment show he/she/it has never read even a chapter on ireland and the second world war . makes one ponder the value of this forum.

    • Eggfuel 27/01/12 #
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      bobby fox. the quote was from the article written above to which we are all commenting on..
      am i to presume from your comments that your the one who didn’t bother ur arse reading the above paragraphs by the minister…
      Was it all to much effort…?

    • Bobby Fox 27/01/12 #
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      yo egg.my comment alluded to your “shock” at finding out that Dev had gone through the motions in his autistic way and signed a book of condolence at his good friend Hemples embassy thereby maintaining the facade of irish neutrality.This fact would be common knowledge to anyone with a passing interest in the period which leads me to believe that you would benifit from a look at a history book rather than spewing illinformed nuggets in a semi serious news source…
      Also I did read Shatters article and wondered if another minister in Sweeden,Portugal,Spain,Switzerland or America (all of whom had simillar policies to Ireland well into WW2) had perverted this special day to make cheap jibes against the country which employs him or her to the benefit of a foreign country.

  • Cal Mooney 27/01/12 #
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    Is Alan Shatter suggesting that the IRA aremed struggle campaign in the North was justified ?

    “However, there were questionable things both done and not done and we should not be in denial nor should we ignore that the conduct of our State, at that time, in the eyes of some, delimits Ireland’s moral authority and credibility when today we seek to lecture later generations of those whose families survived the Holocaust on the conduct of their affairs in Israel, without regard to the extent to which they believe themselves under existential threat.”

    After all, the Irish in the North felt under existential threat from the British forces there. That is a fact. Considering that Ireland lost over 1 million people to hunger as a direct result of Westministers genoicide project during the famine years, obviously the Irish would still harbour this fear of repeat genoicide tactics. So, in 1969, when the British government were refusing to give Irish equal voting rights in the North, where Irish were not able to secure any state jobs, when British forces started shooting civilians dead again in 1969, the IRA campaign took hold. I really cant believe Shatter would be behind the IRA campaign, or would i be wrong in what he is suggesting with his comment???

    • Multi talentless 27/01/12 #
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      The famine was not genocide it was a series of catastrophes made worse by inhumane government , would the British Government of the time have had a different response if it were English peasants dying in their thousands ? I don’t think so , although the priests Penguins & FF lackeys who thought us History in school would probably differ.

      The only common ground between the famine & the holocaust 100 years later is the similar uncaring response of the 2 governments in the face of a humanitarian tragedy

      The Irish nationalists in NI at the time of ww2 would’ve had a certain level of resentment towards the government here
      Also remember that in 1968 / 1969 the British army were deployed to protect Nationalists from attacks by loyalists

    • Tim Henchin 27/01/12 #
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      Multi Talentless. You forget that many of the English lower classes subsisted on Potatoes alone as well. They did not starve when their crops rotted, they were fed imported ones from Ireland.

      Indeed the British army were deployed to keep the peace and protect nationalist areas in the North from attacks by the RUC and Loyalists. However they quickly established joint patrols with the UVF in many areas and showed themselves to be very hostile to the nationalist populace. So the idea that they were there to protect did not last very long.

      You have a selective interpretation of events. Are you Kevin Myers?

  • Seán Joe Kearns 27/01/12 #
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    I was at Auschwitz a week or 2 ago and to be honest i just felt like getting sick. It disgusted me.

    Saying that, I don’t think Ireland could have done much in a war at the time, and De Valera did the right thing. Our pro-allies neutrallity was the best thing at the time, we had no alternative.

    I don’t know how many Jewish people were denied entry to Ireland, but i know of 2 families that left 1930′s Germany, and I live in a small town in county Galway, not a city like Dublin or anything. I had always thought Ireland was good to the Jewish commnity that had came to us.

    • Martin Healy 27/01/12 #
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      Ireland should have stood shoulder to shoulder with Britian,America and the allies and entered the war with what little resources we had to fight the tyranny that was Nazi Germany.

    • Bobby Fox 27/01/12 #
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      America only entered war when war was declared on them.Read some history Mr.Healy

    • Martin Healy 27/01/12 #
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      So mr Fox you have a monopoly on reading history. Hitler declared war on the free world and Had to be stopped at all costs . America had already drawn up plans to send troops to Europe before pearl harbour.

    • Bobby Fox 27/01/12 #
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      Name a neutral country which declared war preemptively on Germany ?Why should Ireland be held to a higher standard?Is it that you don’t accept Ireland as a true country on a par with say Sweeden

  • Adam Magari 27/01/12 #
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    Very good piece from Alan Shatter. Hits all the nails Irish nationalists find uncomfortable right on the head. When I first was told that De Valera offered his condolences to the German diplomatic station after Hitler’s death, I assumed it was a scurrilous anti-FF jibe.

    • Bobby Fox 28/01/12 #
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      I hope you are not irish or else it is a sad reflection on the state of our education system that you could write such balderdash.Not to engage in ad hominoms!

  • Elizabeth Dunne 27/01/12 #
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    Hmmmm. Stalin killed millions also. But somehow I’m not good with getting atrocity shoved down my throat. I remember this from Irish history in school. So no, its not news to me anyway.

    • Charles Mark 28/01/12 #
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      Elizabeth Dunne, What a creepy couple of comments. Would you prefer if we just closed the book on recent history so as not to trouble your sensitive throat? You don’t have to comment if you find the subject tiresome as you seem to do.Did you weigh in just to tell us how boring it all is or is there something else going on? Here’s a couple of thoughts for you to pick up and examine sometime. The Holocaust is exceptional because one of the most advanced and supposedly cultured societies on Earth set about the industrialised extermination of various groups, most notably, but not solely,the Jewish people. And while it may seem irrelevant to many around here there are people in Ireland today for whom the Holocaust was a direct threat or a very near miss, not just a historical event. Please try to remember that.It doesn’t mean that Jews have a monopoly on suffering, but it matters.

    • Anton Meade 28/01/12 #
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      Charles Mark. Ah once again you roll out the common place and oft repeated slogans relating to the Holocaust. Have you nothing insightful to say? To which supposedly sophisticated and cultured society do you refer? Is it Austria? After all 44% of all SS were Austrian even though Austria was only 14% of the Reich by population. Is it Ukraine? It has been documented the Ukrainians were the most represented nationality in the extermination camp guards? Is it France? Vichy France facilitated the extermination of French Jews for their, that has been well documented. Or maybe the Hungarians? After all Hungary sent almost 2 m Jews to the camps in 1944 at the behest of their German masters. No its Germany you refer to of course, yet your assessment is just rubbish: that is not why the Holocaust is exceptional. If one ceded that the Holocaust was an exceptional even, and I do to some extent, it is because of the method of extermination, i.e. the mechanised extermination of human beings. I stood in Auschwitz and Birkenau and it is a horrendous sight. But then so are the killing fields of Cambodia.In your many comments on this article you repeat the same tired mantra. Instead how about discussing the anti semitism that was rampant throughout Europe at the time, in almost all countries and societies. How about comparing and contrasting it to the rampant anti Black racism in the USA at the time. Then lets look at how and why the antisemitism of Europe became radicalized in Germany through the 1930s culminating in the Holocaust. Lets discuss Ian Kershaws thesis of slippage, and Working Towards the Furher. Then, and only then, can we compare with the other genocides of the 20th century. Ultimately after exploring these issues we will come back to the same place, that is, why despite the horrors of WW2 and the whole 20th century, do we constantly hear agian and again and again about the exceptionalism of the Jewish Holocaust. Very very simple answer: Israel and its horrific occupation of Palestine, and its refusal to withdraw to the pre 1967 borders. Remember: victim status keeps accusations of perpetration at bay. Please sir try to make your next comment even less dull and predictable.

  • Elizabeth Dunne 27/01/12 #
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    @Bealach – that’s a bit strongly put, however, I see your point. In my view, both the Israeli state and Northern Ireland have a lot in common. Both were “manufactured” mostly against the wishes of the surrounding population whether people like it or not. Both contain terrorists, and both will continue to cause grief until dismantled. Anyone who believes otherwise is dreaming.

  • Hugh Green 27/01/12 #
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    Comprehension test:

    Imagine you read a report about the conduct of the State of Israel in the West Bank or the Gaza Strip, mentioning land expropriation, torture, bombings, house demolitions, apartheid barriers, theft of natural resources. Imagine furthermore that you are mindful of the fact that the Irish State also carries out racist activities and has done so in the past. Do you:

    a) Refuse to criticise Israel, because the Irish State has a history of racism and any racism on the part of the State of Israel is the business of Israelis alone, no matter what its Palestinian victims might say?

    b) Speak out against the racism of the State of Israel because racism is wrong everywhere, whether perpetrated by Israeli citizens or Irish citizens?

    Did you pick a)? Congratulations! You could be the new Irish Minister of Justice!

  • Anton Meade 27/01/12 #
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    Ok the Holocaust again…and again…and again….lets not discuss the 5m dead in the DR of Congo over the last few decades as a result of inter ethnic wars funded by organised crime groups who source natural materials for the western markets…lets not discuss Liberia, or Iraq, and especially not the occupation of Palestine….instead lets spend more time, more energy discussing the Holocaust and trying to find yet mire people to blame and shame for it, and while we do so lets pretend that the Holocaust didnt happen in a wider context where a further 48m died….Holocaust, Holocaust, Holocaust….enough already!

    • Charles Mark 28/01/12 #
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      Anton Meade, I usually try to engage in debate with people of opposing views and I struggle (perhaps not always successfully) to maintain a civil tone. However,on this occasion I’m going to indulge my baser instincts. You are a complete and utter ignoramus with an apparent lack of any moral compass. “Holocaust..Holocaust..Holocaust”.What utter depravity!

    • Anton Meade 28/01/12 #
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      Charles Mark. Sir, your baser instincts do indeed make me laugh. You sir are deluded if you think the constant bleating about the Holocaust has any other purpose other than justifying the policies of the Israeli state. After all victims cannot be perpetrators now can they? Education is sometimes a cure for ignorance, read some Norman Finkelstein and get back to me, maybe then you will have something intelligent and thoughtful to offer.

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    … and the Brits tried to extinguish us. We have forgiven them. Would the others please just get on with it…. they are humans too (not a special breed).

  • Alison Hodnett 27/01/12 #
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    Shatter has it all wrong when he describes Ireland’s neutrality as ” morally bankrupt in the context of the Holocaust” because that is a conveniently retrospective view.His issue should be with De Valera’s treatment of Jewish refugees after the war when the full horror of the genocide of the Jewish people in Europe was revealed.When neutrality was decided upon it was with the almost unanimous consent of the Dail and the Seanad ( only one FG TD objected).It was also the correct position for a fledgling state to take, it was a war of the big powers and Ireland had no place in it.No one can deny the atrocity of the Holocaust but up until the liberation of the camps in 1945 the world outside Hitler’s realm did not have the knowledge of ” the Final Solution”.I am not a fan of Dev but I think neutrality was one of his finest achievements( barring his offering of condolences to Hempel on Hitler’s death).

    • fitszpatrick 27/01/12 #
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      I am inclined to agree with you that nobody in Ireland, or anywhere, at the time was aware of the extent of the persecution of people in Germany that led to the holocaust. Devs world was still obsessed with the return of the British, who were only a little over twenty years gone I. 1939.

      He was deeply flawed but I really couldn’t accept that he allowed the Jewish people to die when the Irish sat on their hands.

  • Donal Maher 27/01/12 #
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    Mr. Shatter fails to tell the entire story. The neutrality of the Irish state wasn’t exactly legitimate. There are numerous facts that prove this. For example, any German pilot that crash landed on Irish territory was automatically detained in the Curragh for the duration of the war. However if an American or British pilot crash landed in Ireland they were automatically handed back to the nearest Army Camp in Northern Ireland. Secondly, the Irish State produced ration packs for the British Army. These rations were produced in a creamery in Co. Wexford. This creamy was “accidently” bombed by the Lufwaffe on 26 August 1940. Also, the weather reports for the D-Day invasion came from a weather station in Belmullet Co, Mayo. The information gathered in Belmullet was then handed over to the allies by the Irish State. All of these acts contradict the official neutrality of the Irish state. This is highlighted further when we compare Ireland to Switzerland, who were genuinely neutral.

    Mr.Shatter also fails to acknowledge that De Valera managed to save Ireland from the Blitz, which would of resulted in the loss of thousands (if not more) of innocent Irish people.

    • Charles Mark 28/01/12 #
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      Donal Maher, Just to be clear, do you think the Nazis were the bad guys in World War Two, or do you think they were all as bad as each other? Do you regret any surreptitious assistance the Irish State may have given to the Allies?

  • Graham Mace 27/01/12 #
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    Alison (above) is right. Neutrality was the correct position for the Irish nation at the time. In practice Ireland wasn’t exactly “neutral” as Dev’s government gave a great deal of assistance to the allies by providing intelligence on a large scale, and quietly repatriating service personnel who crash landed or sank on or near these shores.
    Many Irish soldiers fought, and some died, bravely and valiantly in the fight to defeat Hitler, albeit in the uniforms of other forces. Let that not be forgotten and let them no shame be put upon them for doing what they saw as right.
    The matter of the Holocaust is not relevant to Ireland’s policy decision to adopt neutrality. What had not happened at the time of the decision cannot influence it. So the knowledge that came after events took place is academic in this context. Suffice to say that those brave Irishmen who actively fought Hitler made fine ambassadors for Ireland. Those who remained at home did so to defend the country from possible invasion (a very real threat) and were quite right to do so too. With a small population there were few enough soldiers to go round.
    As for present day Ireland, it is high time to settle the differences of the past and allow that the Irish soldiers who went off to wear a different uniform did it for the right reasons and deserve praise, not blame. The Holocaust is proof, if proof were needed, that they fought an enemy who had to be defeated. In fact both groups of soldiers were fighting the SAME enemy, the Nazis. And if Hitler had invaded Ireland he may well have “had plans” for any Jews here who the Nazis would round up. That would have happened first. And then he would have begun to take a long look at the the rest . . . . . . .

    • Tony Newitt 27/01/12 #
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      Graham, too true.
      There was also a list of people who could rally resistance against the Nazis to be arrested and dealt with when the time came – which luckily never did – so it is happily all hindsight now. That was why the British resistance army was kept secret and with unlikely types operating in cells. I suppose we all need to remember there were some good on all sides and a lot of evil on both sides too.

  • Graham Mace 27/01/12 #
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    And Donal (who pipped me to the post by a neck) is quite right too,

  • Liam Lynn 27/01/12 #
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    What a most ridiculous lump of drivel. Facts are there was no conspiracy against Irish Jews.Immigration of all type was very tight. Especially for a small country trying to maintain its independence and its neutrality, in the face of threatened invasion from both protagonists and 5000 cowardly greedy deserting bastards that fled from the army for greater wages

    • Charles Mark 28/01/12 #
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      It seems the editors are asleep yet again. Maybe once in a while, when things get out of hand (calling people, Jewish, Muslim or otherwise, “pigs”, for instance) there might be a gentle “steady on there, this is a news and debating site,not a cess-pit.”The publisher has a responsibility, and authority.

  • Multi talentless 27/01/12 #
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    Re ; am I Kevin Myers ? Yes I’m smoking a pipe & eating a swan whilst wearing a deerstalker

  • Tony Newitt 27/01/12 #
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    Liam,

    I think you might have hit the nail on the head there. Adventure and a few bob was probably the biggest motivation for most heroes.

  • Jon S W Rainey 28/01/12 #
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    Very well written article Minister Shatter.

  • Charles Mark 28/01/12 #
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    Tony Dunne, Is that your pitch for comment of the week? Here’s mine:

    :” Tony Dunne is a free-range, al dente, first-rate, ranting hater.”

    Does it bother you if Jewish people (I don’t know if RGB is one) feel they have an “axe to grind” about the Holocaust? How do you think they should feel about it? How do you feel about it?

  • Garreth OMahony 29/01/12 #
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    I all for well thought out retorts but your comment causes me to come ba k with a

    HUH