some joke.one rule for them and one for everyone else.

I don’t understand the begrudgery here. We all know that pay, allowances, pensions for politicians are a joke. However she knew she would be better off with a ministerial pension than severance yet she still resigned. She only had to hang on in there until Feb and keep her gob shut and she would be made for life. I suspect we’ll see more resignations once February passes and they’ve got what they came for.

Just re my comment , I’m begrudging nobody anything all I said was that if I left my job on mon am I wouldn’t get a cent , like the vast majority of people in this country . If she was made redundant that would be a different issue

She gets € 3300 that’s more than I get for a year gross and I work in HSE

David thats a valid point. She resigned & left her post. If you did
that in the real world you would not qualify for dole.

James Kearney

You suggest that the issue that drew the line in the sand was the expansion of the list from twenty to thirty five GP Practices. How could that possibly be the case since the Minister wrote to Shorthall on that list at the end of June and it was discussed at Cabinet ad interim plus the lady voted confidence in Reilly without a murmur of dissent on this issue.
It looks much more like this Junior Minister wasn’t up to the task but personally believed her time had come and she deserved a Senior Ministry but couldn’t cope with the reality of a non job. She apparently lashed out at Gilmore as well as Reilly and proved conclusively that she doesn’t have the right stuff.
We now know that the Taoiseach and Leader of the Labour Party had previously tried to win her over and she probably thought her hissy fit would win her a Cabinet position.
What a foolish and overrated politician.

Paddy, that was the last issue prior to the resignation. What I am suggesting is that the suggestion she resigned because of lack of money raining down should at least have some facts to support it.

She wasn’t made redundant, she quit

Don, I know she quit. The point I’m making is she (rightly or wrongly) chose to leave her position & her severance payoff will be paid in a specified timeframe. For the normal joe soap if the employer is not in a financial position to pay they have to apply to the governments social protection scheme for their statuary payment which can take up to a year to process. I think it’s unacceptable that funds are too readily available to members of the Government. It’s hard hearing about services being forced to shut down due to lack of funding or seeing families struggling but it’s something that we’re expected to accept for “the greater good”. Times are hard but not for everybody…..

Exactly!!!! Everyone else has missed this point. In taking this stand against James Reilly she has forfeited her right to the substantial pension she would have received and might I add a substantially larger lump sum. I recall one other junior (funnily enough Heath again) minister putting his money where his mouth is and taking a stand like this. Now Rosin needs to speak out and not let her resignation be in vain. Politicians usually hang on for dear life., even when there have been calls for resignation on alleged financial improprieties, of which might I remind everyone, there has been many.

It takes a few minutes for the real picture to emerge, harpulee and Lorraine are right on the money. That’s the nub of this. 33k now versus hundreds of thousands into the future. That a sacrifice for her Principles but many, including her government colleagues have no such guide to their behaviour, they pretend to in opposition, but not when near the treasure.

They do now.

No they don’t!

Great question, i could do with accessing my tiny pension to pay my loan then i would stop getting silly bank charges and would be on the straight and narrow. Over all this is a great story uf the budget on punishes the public this time i dont think people will stand for it any more. People have been more than understanding at this stage

I believe the rules changed at the start of this Dail Stephen. It’s one reason so many Fianna Failers didn’t “retired” before the last election.

* ignore the didn’t…..not fully with it yet!!

All it needs is a few stone throwers and most of the country would close their curtains and complain of the disruption. It beggars belief how we ever got rid of the British. We complain about a bad meal but not when we are paying, no, two days later to someone else who has no control over the situation. Our attitude of ” isn’t it awful, ah sure ” would have the 1916 leaders wondering why they bothered

Very well said.

Newsflash : civil war over!!!
Celebrate now

Two years of junior minister wouldn’t have added that much to her 20 odd year TDs pension.

Meant in reply harpulee above.

Trouble is, Patrick, we can communicate our joy/resentment/disgust from the ould easy chair, but it takes a Davitt figure to translate the feeling on the ground into visible political action. We don’t have heroes like that any more.

She is still a labour T.D. She resigned the whip, not from the party.

My mistake, she has resigned from the party. I Don’t know the situation regarding leaders allowance though?

The comments relate to the inequity of the financial provisions – nothing to do with her stance as a politician.

She is rightly lauded for her principles but it is the financial system here that is being criticised.

The sooner these people are brought in line with us mere mortals who have to pay into their own pension funds (and watch them shrink to nothing by the (in)actions of these people) and worry where their next job is coming from, the better for the entire country.

Or maybe different people are commenting?

Principles. Why on earth do we so admire politicians who have achieved nothing and have manifestly demonstrated to be lacking in the characteristics necessary to achieve something while in office? A politician achieves nothing, retires on a fat cat pension and will achieve nothing from the backbenches is to be admired because they retired on what we erroneously interpret as principles!

Surely we have no right to complain about politicians if we ourselves have such puerile understanding of politics.

I could not care less about personalities or style but I favour pragmatic people with the good sense and capabilities to get the job in hand done. It would appear that most people prefer to live in a fairytale world than live in real world and accordingly process information without a bit of sense. Isn’t it time we woke them from their slumber?

Blathin I couldn’t agree more, politicians having “principles” is an obstruction not a benefit. People in the real world who actually have experience of running things (businesses, institutions etc) don’t work on the basis of a rigid set if beliefs which conflict with reality. Imagine if a CEO resigned because she was required to cut costs and streamline a business that was bankrupt, but she refused because because she “believed” that it wasn’t fair and that money should be raining from the sky. She’d be ridiculed. Ultimately Rosin (ex teacher who never ran a thing in her life) wasn’t up to the challenge of the office she was given. And to celebrate that she gets a €30k payoff!

Whether or not she decides to take the generous payoff will be the biggest test of her principles.

Blathin, you are the best wind up artist yet. Looking forward to more of your writings. Definitely indicates the opposite views to logical thinking.

@sham, to be fair the issue she finally drew the line at was the senior minister expanding the list of primary care centres from twenty to 35 without consultation. If the issue she had was related to a desire for free spending surely she would have applauded his decision.

That is 33k for the 19 months she worked, I know she gets the same again in severence. Just to clarify, have I read it right or are my maths off?

The payment gradually reduces if you read it again, it’s not 19 months pay. It’s a number of months at 75%, then 50%, then 25%.

Overall professional males get paid on average 20-30% more than their female counterparts doing the exact same job, worldwide! It’s so wrong…