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Sherlock appeals to opponents of copyright law to “call off the dogs”

The junior innovation minister says a consultation on online copyright could lead to the introduction of new government-backed laws.

Junior minister Seán Sherlock (right) says a new consultation could render the statutory instrument, signed yesterday by Richard Bruton (left), redundant.
Junior minister Seán Sherlock (right) says a new consultation could render the statutory instrument, signed yesterday by Richard Bruton (left), redundant.
Image: Laura Hutton/Photocall Ireland

THE JUNIOR MINISTER responsible for the introduction of a new law dubbed the ‘Irish SOPA’ has said a public consultation launched yesterday could lead to new laws which would supersede the current law – but only if “everybody calls off the dogs”.

Speaking exclusively to TheJournal.ie yesterday, Labour minister Seán Sherlock said the public consultation which was launched by his Department yesterday – alongside the introduction of a statutory instrument allowing copyright holders to seek injunctions blocking access to copyright-infringing material – paved the way for a potentially radical overhaul of copyright laws in Ireland.

The statutory instrument – officially named the European Union (Copyright and Related Rights) Regulations 2012 – had prompted a wave of public outcry, including a number of protests and an online petition which attracted over 80,000 signatures, but was nonetheless signed into Irish law yesterday.

“It’s vitally important that those people who were exercised by the statutory instrument will now engage in the very nature of copyright, [and] will engage on the issues within the consultation paper,” Sherlock said, describing the latter as a “very comprehensive and extensive document”.

If everybody calls off the dogs, as it were – if everybody engages constructively on it – then I think we can reach compromises around the challenges between ISPs, the content holders, the copyright holders.

Sherlock said the outcome of the consultation, if agreed with by the government, could also mean the potential introduction of further statutory instruments on online copyright law, or alternatively conclude that the current legal framework is sufficient.

‘Not SOPA’

Sherlock moved to once again dispel fears that the legislation could lead to the blocking of major websites like YouTube or Facebook, which could potentially be subject to injunctions if copyrighted material was posted to them by other parties.

“The very people who are lobbying against the SI [statutory instrument] called it ‘SOPA’ – so language is all important,” the Cork East TD for Labour said.

It was not SOPA. And already on Twitter people are using the SOPAIreland hashtag, which is a complete nonsense. It has nothing to do with SOPA.

“So the concerns were based on an interpretation of this SI as a mechanism for driving SOPA-type legislation, but that was not the case. So the arguments were flawed in that sense.”

When presented with an example where a judge could issue an injunction to block a site like YouTube, Sherlock said the example “presumes that a judge will make a flawed judgement”.

“We feel strongly that the SABAM v Scarlet decision – the ECJ decisions – now provide a guidance for any judge in Irish law,” the minister said, referring to the ruling where the ECJ ruled it illegal for courts to force Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to filter content in order to enforce copyright protection.

Consultation

Although the statutory instrument was formally approved by the Cabinet three weeks ago, Sherlock said it was not signed into law until yesterday because the government wanted the consultation paper on copyright review to be published alongside it.

Dr Eoin O’Dell, who co-authored the consultation paper being used as a basis for the copyright review, wrote in a blog post yesterday that the review should be seen as being “separate and distinct” from the statutory instrument.

Sherlock said he hoped that “the online community, through the Irish Internet Association (IIA), will engage in a moderated debate or consultation, online” on the review paper.

IIA chief executive Joan Mulvihill told TheJournal.ie she had approached Sherlock offering to facilitate IIA members in offering feedback to the consultation paper, and that it would collate the thoughts submitted to it for presentation to the minister.

“We are an industry representative body, and our job is to represent the views of our members as a priority,” Mulvihill said. ”But that’s not to say I’m deaf to the thoughts of others.”

The exact mechanics of how the IIA’s consultation would work, she added, had not yet been agreed.

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Comments (56 Comments)

  • Rory 01/03/12 #

    Come off it. EMI sues Eircom. Succeeds, sues UPC. Fails, sues the Irish State. Government hastily creates a law, EMI drops case. EMI wants a site blocked (e.g. Vimeo), doesn’t need to sue Eircom because they have an agreement, but sues UPC. If the court decides it is unreasonable to block all of vimeo.com, EMI sues State again. More legislation introduced. It will gradually escalate like this.

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  • Ciaro 01/03/12 #

    I love the fact that the junior minister for innovation is responsible for this.

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  • The problem is that Sherlock stated bluntly that he was going to implement the legislation regardless of any discussion or representation BEFORE he agreed to consult or debate.

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  • Now he wants consultation….

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  • We must insure that Sherlock is never elected into any position ever again.

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  • People like Sean Sherlock are in every town, you know the little weasel in school that would hide behind teachers telling the lies and would even sell out his own mother to get attention and rewards he desires. This fella has got his 15mins of fame he has always wanted, just make sure people of Cork and Ireland that he never get elected again.

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  • Any candidates running in the Cork East Constituency next election against Sean Sherlock, who need help financially, canvasing, putting up posters let me know. This person cannot be elected to public office again.

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  • What Paul Murphy said. This man must never be elected to any position again. Call off the dogs indeed, we’ll hear a different tune when the elections come around. Junior minister for innovation, yeah right.

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  • B7584 01/03/12 #

    Call off the dogs??

    Aww is poor Seanie feeling the heat?
    Good,you idiot. You signed your own P45 Seanie, you’ll never work in government again.
    You couldnt be trusted with a box of crayons.

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  • Dogs? Oh all the registered voters who have taken the time to let the jr minister know we are not happy with the SI. Yes heavens forbid those who are internet savy should take the time to enguage with the process and the government.

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  • Scarr 01/03/12 #

    Minister Sherlock is at best someone who is out of his depth and being taken for a fool by big business

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    • I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there Scar, does it not strike anyone else as a little odd that such an important decision as this is left to a junior minister, with respect to Séan Sherlock, a nobody? I can’t help thinking he’s got his 15 minutes of infamy here, and probably been promised a lot more too, if he just behaves and does what he’s told, passes this crazy law its onward and upward for him.
      At this point he surely must be beginning to realise himself that he may be left high and dry. On one hand he will have various politicians saying “what have you done, but you didn’t follow protocol on this” while on the other he’ll have vested interests saying, big buisness, saying “we really should have debated this first”. Of course they’ll be sniggering while saying it. In the middle of all will be the “dogs”, the ordinary people, home users, small buisness owners and those of us who generally feel worried about this law.
      He seems desperate now to sit down and talk now, to engage, to compromise – as long as the “dogs” are called off, but those dogs, as he calls them, are the most knowledgeable people in this field. They know what they’re talking about and how this will change things, there’s little point in talking if you just want those at the table to agree with you. Ahhh, but maybe Mr. Sherlock is learning to be a politician after all.

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  • Restrictions restrictions copyright copyright all in the interest of big business who lobby our governments to screw the ordinary individual again and again !

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  • I have to laugh at Sherlock. We have this enactment – still ignoring the wishes of ‘the people’ – on the eve of the biggest thing to hit the Internet regarding privacy issues i.e. Google policy on info gathering for the benefit of big business. And who owns YouTube? Google! So, now imagine, what could happen with copyright? Freedom of the Internet is over! Big business rules the world, not governments. Our opportunity to oppose the shackles and restraints they are putting us all in is nearly passed.

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  • How dare you call us Dogs Sean Sherlock. More than 80,000 of us said no to your proposals. That’s four times more people than actually voted for you. Yet you have the sheer unadulterated audacity to call us nothing more than a pack of animals howling?

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  • Scenario: A thief drives into town in a car and robs a bank, then drives to another bank and robs that one too…. how a NORMAL country deals with that situation “We put better security on the bank and we go after the thief”…. How IRELAND deals with the situation, “wait he used a car to rob the bank…. I know lets make cars illegal. Its the stupid, un-informed and non sensical government in this country that has the place screwed up beyond belief. Sean Sherlock is probably “the young fella that knows about facebook” in the Dail which makes him instantly qualified to work on such matters.

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  • Call of the dogs? So he’s starting to feel a little put upon? Release the hounds!

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  • EM 01/03/12 #

    We pay Sherlock’s salary but he sure as hell doesn’t work for us. Like most of the Irish Government he just could not care less what Irish people think on these matters. If Sherlock had any shred of decency he’d resign from his post.
    His comments quoted above are just laughable. The time to debate the issue was BEFORE signing the statutory instrument into law.

    Sean, grow yourself a pair of testicles and start working for the people you’re supposed to represent.

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  • jimbo 01/03/12 #

    Sherlock fcuk off and resign

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  • Like most of his colleagues Minister Shitlock is simply not qualified for his post. Amateurs legislating for professionals,…Again!

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  • The IIA is an organisation that represents its members, who for the most part are involved in the Internet industry in one way or another. It’s perfectly entitled to consult with its members to formulate a policy on this issues, in fact it’s surprising in fact that it didn’t do so long ago.

    That’s where it ends.

    There are many companies and many, many individuals working in the Internet industry in Ireland who are not members of the IIA, and there are many, many, many people who don’t work in the industry, who just use the internet and probably don’t even know (or care) that the IIA exists but who are also entitled to express an opinion on this issue.

    Why should any of these people use the IIA as a conduit to filter their opinions? Why should they not bring issues that concern them directly to the people they elected to represent them? Are they behaving like ‘dogs’ if they do this, or just engaged citizens?

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  • ‘Record Industry Boob attempts to look like a parliamentarian’

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  • This whole thing stinks, especially the pretense of the IAA representing the public.

    ‘Call off the dogs’ , i think not.

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  • It’s been slashdotted, welcome to hell Sean………………….
    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/03/01/0154237/irish-sopa-signed-into-law-despite-resistance

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  • He is showing himself as a complete tosser with his head shoved so far up his arse that he can’t here what the public want

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  • Just made a call there to the contact numbers listed there on Mr Sherlocks homepage.

    Joseph Conrad said it best: “The Horror, the horror…”.

    I mean who needs enemies when you have such well informed friends answering the phones on your behalf. One thing is for sure, Mr Sherlock clearly has no wish to continue with a career in politics, what is clear is that he has effectively prepared and has now effectively distributed a C.V. with a mind to move into a rather lucrative role with anyone of a nice selection of commercial entities he currently appears to work for.

    I look forward to seeing which board/boards of directors he ends up on when he has finished preparing his C.V. at the Irish taxpayers expense.

    Only in Ireland would an elected rep sign an S.I. into law and then subsequently seek consultation. Do I live in Ireland or is that North Korea I see outside my window?

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  • Why does he care so much? Does he have shares in EMI?

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  • Where did this prick come from and who voted this weisel into being a TD. Cork people,you f#cked up again. This is exactly whats wrong with Ireland. Gob shites with a bit of power going to his little brain.

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  • Perhaps I’ll stop contacting him and my local TD’s when either A. some of them actually reply to me B. They actually respond to what I asked. C. That they acknowledge this statutory instrument is very vague and will lead to problems.

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  • Sean call of the dogs, that’s just the locals , wait till anonymous start in on you, let’s just say the person who stands to lose most internet freedom will wind up being you. You contemptible little prat.

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  • Dogs? What’s that about. Comments above are correct. Government are patsies for big business and banks. Another short lived political career it would seem.

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  • I wonder how much he got paid to put this through.

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  • He has called us all dogs, good lad Sherlock

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  • My guess – there will be no Irish ISP’s in about 2 years.

    And cloud computing? forget about it.

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  • Screw releasing the dogs… Release the mobs of angry college students!!!!!

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  • The problem with this ultra conservative state is that this man will get elected again and again because people who are truly concerned about this issue don’t vote in numbers.
    I expected this from Fine Gael but not from a Labour candidate! You should be ashamed to label yourself as centre left!

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  • The country has gone to the dogs,Sean. You can’t ask them to be quiet as well.

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  • l really do question the brains of sherlock. Tell me why Google and Facebook should stay in Ireland what incentive is there

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  • I suppose this is what happens when a country that is high reliance on an industry and then puts no one who understands that issue in charge.

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  • This little trumped up good for nothing politician, nay, not a politician cos they sometimes listen to their electorate, has just begun an avalanche that will result in such another avalanche of hacking of Govt sites and services that he will be sorry he ever set foot in Dail Eireann…It wont be the likes of me who will launch these hack-attax, it will be the ‘real pirates’ who make big bucks from selling on copies of illegal downloads. The vast vast majority of those who download a film or cd do it to save the cost of going to the cinema or buying the cd of an artist..why??…cos we are all bloody broke and will be for years to come thanks to the banks, the developers and the spineless politicians we share this country with…Sherlock is an idiot who has been duped, conned and manipulated beyond belief…and he is an arrogant p…as well

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  • Out of the Dail and straight into any one of the many boardrooms that will now vigorously bid for his services. It is so incredibly obvious as to what Mr Sherlock is about. A place at the cabinet table in this instance is little more than a stepping stone for this particular politician into the private sector.

    We will fund his expedition into commercial enterprise, right up until the time he draws his pension following the next election.

    He has absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain by giving the electorate the two fingers. He is one smart cookie, and we are a nation of complete and utter gob shites, or was it dogs, yes dogs he said,not sure if I’d rather be a dog or a gob shite. But in any case, its always nice to know what our elected officials ultimately think of those of us who allowed them their place at the trough.

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  • I hold no candle for the likes of EMI and other obsolete, bullying media corporations, but I genuinely don’t really understand this issue and find the talk of all internet freedom being squashed somewhat over the top. The SI enables companies to seek injunctions restraining ISPs, etc from publishing copyrighted material. There is some concern that this could mean the closing down access to major content sites like vimeo, youtube and so forth. However, EU case law clearly requires that any such injunction must be proportionate to the alleged copyright infringement and can’t be used to block access to content hoting sites entirely.

    While I understand that there is a general issue with the principle of free access to copyrighted material on the internet, I don’t see what the issue with this particular SI is and why Sean Sherlock has come in for such abuse. Can someone please explain?

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    • Genuine question, by the way.

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    • Large companies have been using Copyright law to extend their rights to what would have previously long-since passed into the commons. Many have also used copyright to try to limit fair comment by making frivolous assertions of copyright infringement.

      Oh and you usually consult before signing something into law, not after.

      Google “Lawerence Lessig” and “frivolous copyright infringement”

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    • Thanks for yoru reply, Richard, and I understand the issues of corporations seeking to extend their rights over the commons, but that doesn’t actually go to the SI that Sherlock signed, unless I’m missing something. Sherlock has been blamed for effectively closing down people’s freedoms on the internet. How do his actions actually do that?

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    • The issue I have is the law itself is pretty vague and can only lead to problems where there is no need for problems. Just give it a read and you’ll see it yourself. For example there was a European Court ruling that ISP’s cannot do deep packet sniffing on data. But what if an ISP here is ordered to stop someone file-sharing, instead of stopping the user uses an encrypted connection. The ISP cannot actually check any more, so is the ISP now liable for what the user has done? It’s very plausible the ISP could be held liable as it stands.

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    • Desmond, Drop-D.ie, a music magazine gave an example whereby they give a negative review of an album that happens to be on EMI’s label. The review is accompanied by a picture of the album/cover artwork. EMI can then go and seek the closure of Drop-d.ie for copyright infringement. In doing so they’ll curtail negative press against their acts.

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  • Well done Sean really time to put an end to all this free download shit !

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  • I wonder is he any relation to this lovable character.
    http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Terry_98765c_2108251.jpg

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