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Speed limits across the country set to be reviewed

Minister for Transport Leo Varadkar has announced a major nationwide review to ensure that all speed restrictions are “both safe and sensible”.

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SPEED LIMITS ON roads across the country are set to be reviewed as part of a major nationwide audit.

Minister for Transport Leo Varadkar said that the review is the start of a plan to overhaul inconsistencies between counties and regions and put an end to confusion among drivers.

“We all know of cases where speed limits are inappropriately low or inappropriately high,” said Varadkar. “I understand that there is some confusion among drivers about the various speed limits which should and do apply, as well as the approach to speed limit signage on national, regional and local roads”.

Speed limit bands are currently set by the Minister for Transport, but limits on particular roads are determined by local authorities in consultation with Gardaí and, in some cases, with the National Roads Authority.

The Department of Transport said that the full process is expected to take some time but that the audit is a crucial first step.

“Recent road safety measures like speed cameras and new drink driving laws have gone a long way towards improving road safety,” said Varadkar. “However, we need to ensure that the right speed limits are in operation on the right roads”.

“There are also allegations that local authorities are not consistent in how they decide on the appropriate speed limit, which has also contributed to driver confusion. Last year a new set of guidelines for special speed limits was published. This audit will follow on from that publication”.

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  • Just in contrast with a lot of the comments here, I know of several roads with Inappropriately low limits, such as 60kph on a dual carriageway at one point, so this is a welcome move.

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    • Speed limits are set for many reasons I have been in roads where I thought the limit was low 4 lane road 2 in each direction and questioned why limit was low at 50 until someone pointed out to me the reason which was there was no hard shoulder and if someone stopped or broke down on this road a higher limit would then become dangerous. Made me think about it and had to agree in that case.

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  • Just like magic the speed limit on the N3 from Kells-Dublin dropped from 100 km/h to 80 km/h when the M3 opened.

    Hardly anything to do with forcing you onto the motorway..?

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  • A week can’t go by without meddling Leo getting his voice heard.
    Anything to justify his job.

    Any driver who finds speed limit signs confusing should take a bus or train.
    No doubt Leo will be tinkering in that department tomorrow.
    Could we have an audit of the most dangerous road surfaces in Ireland.. Then spend some of the 1.2 billion, wasted on training schemes, repairing them.
    Fed up seeing road works on perfect roads.
    Time to justify your job and do something worthwhile.

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  • Isn’t it about time minimum speed limits were shown on roads

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    • Everybody is in favour of a ban for drink driving yet nobody in favour of a ban if caught texting while driving If their so concerned about road safety, they should know that the latter is more dangerous.

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  • It’s not the speed limits thats the problem but more driver behaviour. I drive all over Ireland & see crazy stuff all the time. Lack of signage is a bigger problem.

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  • its only a way to get people to use toll roads. the m3 opened and the n3 speed limit dropped… money racket

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  • Cpm 08/02/12 #

    Sorry Leo, I’m unable to take anything you do or say seriously.

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  • Total waste of time and money. We don’t have the resources to enforce the limits regardless of what they are. There might as well be no speed limits on country roads for all the difference it will make. Driver education would be a much more worthwhile spend.

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  • There are actually laneways in Galway with 80kph speed limits that if you drove down at 15 kph would break your car. Galway c.c just run from one f@ck up to the next…..

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  • 80 on my lane, i would struggle to do over 40 on it.

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  • About time! I’ve been on roads between Killarney and Kenmare and seen the road signposted at 100 km/h (sign being literally ON a bend) and there’s no way you could even get a car over 40 km/h in those conditions… pure madness that those signs would be allowed to go up in the first place.

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    • Just because the sign says 100 dosn’t mean ya have to keep to that speed through the bend. I think an allowance for common sense goes along way as opposed to firming a committee to review speed limits to then go off and make a whole batch of new signs and having them installed. At the end of the day the new sign/speed limit will have no effect on people’s driving habits.

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    • An allowance for common sense, come on now.

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    • Aydo 08/02/12 #

      Declan no offence but sounds like you shouldn’t be allowed on the road.
      If you can’t judge what speed you should take a corner at there’s something wrong.

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    • Common sense, come on here – I’m talking about people’s safely. Some idiot will go 80 or 100 on these roads because they’re “allowed to do so” — and maybe even kill someone in the process. Just as it’s unsafe to go 60 on a motorway that’s signposted at 120, these drivers are also a hazard… especially in the passing lane! (Don’t get me started on that one). There has to be signposts that enforce limits that are safe and reasonable for the state and condition of each road. The current system is crazy. National road = 100, regional road = 80, city = 50, etc. — they shouldn’t be setting the limit based on the “type” of road, it should be determined based on the actual conditions of each road itself.

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    • Declan an Idiot will always be an Idiot regardless of any sign you put in front of them. As for peoples safety please pull the other one all these new limits/signs will do is introduce another set of arbitrary rules that will allow us reap more money from the motorist.

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    • Aydo 08/02/12 #

      I agree with your point that blanket speed limits don’t work.
      Couldn’t and wouldn’t work on national roads in the sticks.
      Take forever to get anywhere then.

      Why we can’t operate a system like the Aussies have where speed limits change.
      Like during the hours kids are going to school limits in towns go down.

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    • Declan I think we both want the same thing. I think the only thing we’d differ on is how to get there. Personally I don’t see what’s wrong with just allowing every motorist be responsible for their actions no need to impose a system other than in areas of high traffic volume, anywhere else let common sense prevail. Signpost the approach to corners properly but instead of a speed limit let the driver know the type of bend they are entering into.

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    • @Dáithí Mac Gualraic: Now that makes sense, if people need to be told to slow down coming to a bend they should really be checked if actually save to drive. Common sense is a natural thing if allowed to be nourished but with the stupid speed signs around the country especially on secondary roads its especially needed. Speaking personally, my family home is a little off the main road up a steep little grassy boreen and there’s a sign smack bang as you turn off that says 80km p/h, now apart from having to go up this hill in 1st or 2nd gear, I don’t think anyone ever tried to reach 80km p/h up it.
      Common sense and physics dictate this, so yes they could of course be addressed but instead the shower in the Dial could spend a bit of time figuring out the mess we are in and try find a way to get business running and people back working. Let common sense take care of stupid speed signs for a while and lets focus on more pressing issues.

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  • Ciaro 08/02/12 #

    Leo, stick to writing prescriptions, you know fuck all about transport.

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  • I wonder if we will get a refund and points annulled on stretches of roads where the sensible speed is higher than the legal speed, if the legal speed is revised upwards?

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  • The cruising speed for the average decent car (1.6 and above, good makes BMW etc) is 128km/hr (80mls) but we impose a ridiculously low 120 on our motorways…will we amend this also Leo, or is this just another money making scheme 4 speed checks placed in the least dangerous roads in Ireland eg the quays??? Quincentennial bridge n Galway is 50km/hr, again ridiculous, too low

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  • @Grant, I hope you pay more attention to your driving than you do when reading other people’s comments. If you read my comment again you should see that I was referring to motorways. Can you see that word? I also noticed that the page you quoted from the book on Rules of the Road
    Is to deal with primary and secondary roads and NOT on motorways and you should know there are no left or right turns. And what has the words “steam past, carriage ways, and 30km/h got to do with my comment?so the next time you quote from Rules of the Road make sure you pick the right page. So I won’t call you Curley, but I’ll change it to “Trigger” :) :) :)

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  • jimbo 08/02/12 #

    No excuse for not getting it right the first time leo,so dont go patting yourself on the shoulder,your still a twat..

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  • Speed limits on trucks should be reviewed too! Why are the trucks fitted with limiters set at 89km when on paper our limit is 80km. The NRA/RSA are a bunch of idiots (IMO) The state of the roads with inappropriate speeds is a joke. No consistency anywhere. Road markings/signage in the UK is like reading a good book, total pleasure to drive there.

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  • I think everyone should be made to buy a BMW, then we could do away with speed limits all together.
    And indicators etc.

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  • Good idea to review these. Inconsistency frustrates drivers and make the system less credible. Think its time to look at reducing more urban limits to 30kpm as well. Basically: Slower in towns and cities and faster on motorways.

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  • We have been down this road before (sorry about the pun!). The last government promised an audit as well http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/motors/2011/0119/1224287847714.html but nothing happened.
    What about “temporary” limits imposed for roadworks? Sligo County Council for example, had 50kph signs on the N15 for 2 months but no work took place

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    • Thats an interesting point. I was at a coarse a number of years back & we where told that road works cannot by law lower the speed limit by more than 10kmh & that the speed signage must be of the same apearance as normal road.signs & they most get permission to lower the limit & this has a time limit which they can extend but they must apply again for this. Apparently some speeding convictions were struck out over this but im unsure of the full details

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  • There are 100kph signs on bends that are also passing zones, it’s insane. There should never be a broken white line around a bend. They have ballsed it up, and I can’t believe nobody has sued the state for negligence after accidents in such places. The common sense should have been applied when the signs and markings went in. You can’t expect people to follow signs and then blame them when they adhere to them.

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  • the gov should review themselve the muppets

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  • Speed limits are not the problem, its the drivers on those roads and the distinct lack of physical policing of these roads, Ireland has some of the worst standards of education with regard to the rules of the road and I have personally witnessed hundreds of people who simply cannot operate a vehicle safely.

    Whether it be motorbikes weaving in and out of traffic at 100KM/H or cars and lorries “undertaking” people on their blindside or running red lights it makes no matter. Until there is education of drivers that sticks regarding the rules of the road and the adequate policing of these roads nothing will ever change.

    It is the single reason why motor insurance is so high in this country.

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    • Sorry Grant, but IS legal to undertake, once your at or under speed limit

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    • For the 3 stoogies who give thumbs down to undertaking An idiot driving at 60kmh in a 100kmh limit motorway in overtaking lane with no traffic ahead. You think the rest of us in the other two lanes have to drive at or under that speed, No wonder the driving standard is so low.

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    • Sean,

      I don’t know where you get your “facts” from or your opinion but the rules of the road clearly state the following:

      You may overtake on the left when:

      You want to go straight ahead when the driver in front of you has moved out and signalled that they intend to turn right.

      You have signalled that you intend to turn left.

      Traffic in both lanes is moving slowly and traffic in the left-hand lane is moving more quickly than the traffic in the right-hand lane.

      This does not mean you can steam past someone on a two or three lane carriageway at an unsafe speed when in the full knowledge that this person could at anytime move into your lane and collide with you. The operative word in the last sentence was SLOWLY i.e. below a speed of 30KM/H.

      For the avoidance of doubt the law would not be on your side in this matter.

      You are symptomatic of the examples I was talking about. Impatience to gain 20 yards in traffic that is going nowwhere and will probably mean that others have to brake and end up causing more traffic jams.

      Incidentally the word is Stooge…not sure what a “stoogie” is…which one are you Larry or Moe if I am Curly?

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    • Do you have your full license? And if so which I doubt, how long ?

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    • @Grant. Have you gone into hiding? I know a good driving instructor if you want to take a few lessons.

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  • Was in oz last year when ur approaching a bend it has recommended speed limit for dat bend on sign post so practical

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  • Only widened section on R513 is 60kmh but non widened section is 80kmh for the other 40kms and guess where the Gardai hide. That’s right, in the long straight wide section. Most of Corks R roads are 100kmh .

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  • why is there no 70km/h speed sign. did they forget about it or something ? there is a 60km/h speed limit on the r336 road (Conamara ,Gaillimhe) which is to low but 80km/h to high as well.

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  • Theres a lot of very bad drivers or people with no driving craft commenting here. Do all ye muppets just cos the sign says 100kmh that ye must do it. What about when it snows what do ye do then. If ye are looking for leo to legislate for speed signage he cant. The eu regulated the speed of cars on a general basis across the eu. Brussels takes it for granted that we have the same road standards as the rest of the eu & if we dont they want to know where all the structural funds went. Stop asking these pr##ks to give more legislation on the roads. There is enough of it. When i hear i saves peoples lives im fit to burst. If you want to remove all risk of death & injury dont go out on the roads. Most people in this cant drive but are never prosecuted for bad driving or get points on their license so more legislation will only impact on the regular road users which make them the most experienced. We have the worst drivers in Europe mo road.craft

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  • @ peter. I dont understand what you mean do you want him to raise the truck speed? Or do you want to lower the speedlimiter speed. He cant change the limiter speed.

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  • Leo would want to up his own speed with eamo in the same parish as him.
    Interesting to see what profile they give eamo in castleknock

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  • We’re to speed kills? Yet it is legal to drive over 70mph on motorways. Who are these idiots who set these limits?

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    • With 28 thumbs down against 2 up it just goes to show you the poor standard and lack of education on road safety on our roads. I commented that it is legal to drive over 70mph on certain stretches of motorways. You can do 74.5mph or 120kmh, obviously when it’s safe to do so.

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  • Dario Fo 09/02/12 #

    More stealth tax..

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