The terrorists were those who murdered nine unarmed civilians in cold blood

Issue is.THEY WERE NOT UNARMED. Even the report says that. Keep your head in the sand Gerry

Barry, the commission did not interview one single survivor of this terrorist attack. Not one. The people on this boat were attacked by terrorists armed with guns and firing on them. They had every right to grab whatever they could do defend themselves against such a murderous illegal and unjustified attack by armed terrorists. However unlike the Israeli terrorists the civilians on the boat had no guns to return fire and defend themselves and their boa

How many injured soldiers were interviewed?

You tell me Barry how many were interviewed?

I asked you. But none were. So there for you didn’t here from those either as to what happened.

Precisely Barry – showing up its total inadequacy as an investigation as it didnt interview or cross question the people involved

Territory A (Israel) is under attack from Territory B (Gaza)????? Kinda like if England was under attack from Ireland you mean…
Ask why Palestinians have an issue with Israel, why don’t you. I have no problem with the state of Israel existing. I do have an issue with the continual encroachment by the Israelis on legally held Palestinian land.

You completely ignore the fact that Gaza is under sustained and deadly attack by Israel

No, I don’t. I just wasn’t addressing that particular issue. Gaza is, as you say, under sustained and deadly attack by Israel. We are in agreement, friend. My belief is that Israel, whose right to exist I acknowledge, is acting like the schoolyard bully. Because of the fact that the West is totally at the mercy of Zionist forces, they allow Israel to act illegally.
The West should be putting the kind of effort into ending this David and Goliath sparring match that they put into the ending of the oppression of the East Timorese or the northern Irish republicans.

James I have read this report. The commission who drew it up never interviewed any survivor of the attack. How can anyone investigate such an atrocity by deliberately not interviewing hundreds of the victims of it?

What the report does say is “In so doing it was not acting as a Court and was not asked to adjudicate on legal liability. Its findings and recommendations are therefore not intended to attribute any legal responsibilities”

Nick, sorry my comment about Gaza under attack from Israel was not meant for you but the original post. Sorry about that

Nick and Gerry, southern Israel is regularly hit by missiles fired from Gaza. It is effectively a war and in such a situation, Israel has the right to take measures to defend its civilian population.

You really are unbelievable. Back in WW2, would you have been launching these blistering verbals against the British because they dared to retaliate against the Germans?

Actually Impartial Eclipse if they were deliberately targetting civilians and committing war crimes, as with Horishima and Nagasaki for instance or the firebombing of Dresden and Tokyo

Impartial Eclipse using your logic then you would support Palestinians attacking Israel after Israel attacks them?

Well, I wouldn’t condemn them and I would condemn Israel if Israel was the party that initiated the exchanges.

Impartial Eclipse: Israel did initiate the exchanges. They flagrantly overrun the borders of the (imposed on Palestine by the UN in 1947 in the face of bitter opposition) Palestinian state in an attempt to annex parts of Palestine and politically divide the south from the north.
If Britain invaded the Republic from Northern Ireland, you would condemn the Irish Republic, and call us terrorists then?

Nick, if you’re referring to the 1967 war, Israel did not initiate the aggression.

The borders you refer to were not imposed by the UN. There were other borders proposed by the UN delineating areas of Israeli and Palestinian control but the Palestinians and surrounding Arab states refused to accept them and launched a war to wipe out the newly born state of Israel. They lost.

Ciarán Reilly: No, I’m not referring to 1967. I’m referring to 1947.

@Nick, in 1947, the borders which were intended to be Israel were much larger than the Israel borders that exist now. the lines that exist now are ceasefire lines from the 1948 war which begun and was started by the Trans Jordanian people who rejected the idea of an independent state of Palestine. (Transjordanian as the term Palestinian was not used to describe those people in the way it us used today until much later). Israel accepted statehood. Palestine has rejected statehood many many times since 1948, and rejected many attempts from Israel and the international community to make peace.

Also you should stop the comparison of the conflict with that of Ireland and UK. they are not similar. Ireland never denied the existence of UK, and UK never denied the existence of Ireland. Hamas deny the existence of Israel on a daily basis. Ireland never called for the deaths of all British people (regardless to where they live), and UK also didn’t call for the deaths of all Irish regardless to where they live. Hamas, in their charter, call for the deaths of all Jewish people, wherever they live (not localised to just Israel).

Also, neither Ireland or Britain joined forces with 6 armies in an attempt to wipe out the other, while on several occasions, without any provocation, Israel has been attacked by a combined and coordinated force of 6 armies. Even with the troubles in NI, Ireland and Britain remained politically relatively close in terms of economics and international trade.

Even though this is highly summarised (There really isn’t enough room here to cover the events in detail, and most would ignore the information anyway), when you look at the historical facts, it is really NOT the same all.

Well, how you can claim that Israel initiated the aggression in that war is truly mystifying.

My last point was for Nick.

Following on from James’s points, Hamas leaders are on record saying they could actually support the consolidation of all Jews from around the world in Israel since with them all in one place, it would be easier to slaughter them for once and for all.

That’s Hamas, folks – the group that rules Gaza, only a few tens of kms from Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. Nice, fluffy Western European rules don’t apply in that part of the world.

Ciaran: I was not saying that Israel initiated the aggression in that war. In the name of the almighty READ what is written. I said that the roots of this conflict lie in the partition of Palestine, in the same way as the roots of the division between India and Pakistan lie in the interference by outsiders in the affairs of others. It also applies in Ireland. And the British have had a lot to do with all these conflicts.
And, before you start, I have English family and friends who do not share my sympathies but who agree that Britain was at the root of a lot of the world’s current conflicts.
My point is that the Israelis were not content with their new homeland, but tried, and try, to expand beyond the legal borders agreed in 1947. 1967 is a different matter entirely

Nick, you said “Israel did initiate the exchanges.” Plain and simple.

You say that 1967 was a different matter. How about 1973? Or 1978? Or 1982? Or 2006? On every occasion, the initiation of hostilities was by anti-Israeli forces.

Bravo, Joe. More like this and we can switch on some light instead of pouring petrol on the fire!

You make some very good points, and, I wish everyone (yes everyone) would take them into consideration.

I believe that everyone needs to take responsibility instead of placing blame. How can peace happen if everyone is pointing the finger? People need to work out what is best for the people. Grudges will always exist, but, what determines peace is how people are able to rise above the grudges.

The report does not “deem” the blockade legal. The report makes clear that they are not in any position to determine the legality of the blockade: “It means that the Panel cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law. But it can give its view.”

Those being attacked and shot at by israeli terrorists who were illegally attacking their boat had every right to defend themselves despite the fact they were unarmed. This boat was not in Israeli waters, it was in International waters and the Israeli terrorist attack on it was an act of international piracy and cold blooded murder.

The commission didnt interview any survivor fo this murderous terrorist attack so what did they base their “evidence” on?

How many injured Israeli soldiers did it interview?

@Gerry, have you even read the report? Its linked in the article. Try reading from page 38. Then read from page 51.

You shouldn’t comment on the report if you haven’t read it.

James, unlike you who obviously hasn’t done so, I have read the report

Either you had your eyes closed and fingers in your ears while pretending to read the report, read a different report than everyone else, or, you are merely pleased with only seeing information that you wish to see.

You obviously believe in your cause, and I dont judge you for that. Neither do I mean offence by what I typed just now. However, I really encourage you to work on some factual arguments, as, it is very tiresome to hear the same set of statements proofread and used by the so called Pro-Palestine groups, regardless of what information or facts are presented. I really would love for you to start adding to the discussion instead of using the same cheap shots for every comment. I really mean no offence saying that. On the contrary, I am certain you are capable of doing better than you have been doing here today, and encourage you to do so.

Gerry. Where do you get off being so arrogant. James read it. He said that. Seriously your sarcasm and ignorance will not win anyone to your propaganda

The blockade is not legal and Israel had no right to hijack the flotilla in International waters, to injure and murder civilians on those boats, or to kidnap and torture survivors, including Irish citizens.

Gerry, repeating it like a mantra does not make it true. The blockade was legal. End of.

It wasn’t Ciaran and as the authors of this report themselves say ““It means that the Panel cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law.” Their own words not mine

The report states “Israel faces a real threat to its security from militant groups in Gaza. The naval blockade was imposed as a legitimate security measure in order to prevent weapons from entering Gaza by sea and its implementation complied with the
requirements of international law.”

If you accept the bits you like such as “excessive force”, you have to accept the above. You also have to accept that
- “the flotilla acted recklessly in attempting to breach the naval blockade”
- “there exist serious questions about the conduct, true nature and objectives of the flotilla organizers, particularly IHH”
- “Israeli Defense Forces personnel faced significant, organized and violent
resistance from a group of passengers when they boarded the Mavi Marmara
requiring them to use force for their own protection. Three soldiers were
captured, mistreated, and placed at risk by those passengers. Several others
were wounded”

If you only harp on about the bits you like and deny the validity of the bits of you don’t. you’ll look like a fool. It’s your call.

You mean cheerypicking it like Barry does Ciaran is it?

http://t.co/AAwZvLw

Simon, maybe there wouldn’t be so much anti-Israel sentiment if Israel observed international law, respected the human rights of the Palestinian people and didn’t forge Irish passports in order to murder people in foreign countries.

Is that not the whole point John, even the UN upholds the international legality of the blockade yet still Israel is demonised in Ireland. Its a disturbing trend.

Actually Simon those on other boats including Irish citizens did indeed suffer violence and torture at the hands of Israeli terrorists both on their boats and in Israeli custody following their kidnapping and forcible removal to Israel

Secondly the blockade of Gaza is inhuman and immoral and is NOT legal under international law. It si in fact a war crime designed to punish the civilian population of Gaza

Simon the UN hasnt upheld the blockade as legal. This discredited commission which includes supporters of the zionist regime and a war criminal issued a report in which they themselves admit they were in no position to determine the legality of anything

There was violence on ONLY ONE boat. The IHH sponsored ship. Do some research on the IHH .Even the report said they had an agenda and are a questionable organisation.Which the last Turkish gov was investigating for terrorism links

Simon, do you not think that the anti-Israel sentiment might have something to do with the fact that the Israelis are illegally occupying a large portion of the Palestinian’s homeland? It is obvious from the way that they build settlements in contested land rather than uncontested, that they have an intention to annex as much of the Palestinian land as possible. You don’t think that this might have any resonance in the Irish psyche? Get real!

@ john C. – sorry bud did you forget about operation condor? where latin american assassins with US support, were allowed to travel pretty much any where to do political killings on people who committed heinous crimes on innocent civilians, and they even hunted down / killed a man in wash. DC. and if your talking about respect, why dont palestinian’s have to give any in return? why is always isreal’s responsibility to make things right, like they’re just using military force for unprovoked fun. you cant ignore one side and hammer the other.

Simon, too many ass clowns, not enough circuses for all people responding that refuse to acknowledge the facts. They just want to slate Israel. I’m neither Jewish or Israeli, but I have a brain and can see the forest despite the trees. I don’t know what world they live in but it isn’t the real one.

You’ll be waiting a while I’d say. They are bullies backed by the US and no one will stand against them.

The report questions the IHH motives and agenda. It says the protesters were violent.Yet Mike steal feels the need to demonise Israel.

Barry as I pointed out Uribe believes that unarmed civilians, protesting or going about their jobs as union officials is good enough to have them murdered as his record in charge of the Colombian regime showed.

Gerry. You can quote what you like .The report said what it said. There was not just one person on the panel. I am enjoying watching the anti Israel activists squirm and twist. Your well able to quote resolutions and reports when it suits your propaganda,BUT as soon as one comes out you don’t like.Well yer in over drive to try and discredit it. HILARIOUS .The double standards of some is PATHETIC

Barry it was discredited from its inception by its make up of zionist supporters and war criminals. That was made clear at the time of its composition as I have already shown. The murder of those civilians remain that – murder by cowardly Israeli terrorists, whether or not a war Criminal like Uribe says otherwise

No.Its not discredited because you say so. I await you discrediting every report from UN Human rights panel for electing Bahrain to its panel. As Bahrain clearly can’t speak on Human rights.
The UN panel on Human rights previously had Libya on its panel.

YOU MR.SLIGO CAN’T PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH REPORTS YOU LIKE AND DON’T.ITS ALL OR NOTHING. IF YOU can’t agree with this report. Fine but they you should call the entire UN into order including resolutions and reports which you support. You can’t be a hypocrit

Mike it`s not aggression it`s a refusal to be complacent in its own downfall. Long may Israel live to defend herself.

Sorry meant to say compliant.

it’s been known for its agression cause everyone around them hates them for moving next door, people love to forget thousands of years worth of history which supports Isreal’s rights to the land. they would only give a statement of regret for the amount of dead people, not the use of their force. In the U.S. if an officer has to discharge his weapon, he will discharge every single bullet, i know its a little different situation in border disputes and international laws, but the amount of force is probably the same all around. an officer/soldier will do anything in his power to make sure he’s the one that lives in an attack. @aiden – it might seem “bullish”, because they’re always painted as bullies by pro palistinian UN boards.

Why should they go to Israel? They were not going there. They were going to Gaza. Israel had no right to hi jack their boat, murder and injure passengers and kidnap and torture survivors

The report actually said Israel had a right to halt them from entering the blockaded waters. IN INTERNATIONAL waters. GO read the report.Might help.You’ve a huge propaganda agenda here.Anyone impartial reading your reports can clearly see that. Your picking and choosing the parts you like then in response to the parts you don’t like.Its automatically a Zionist panel. Such horse sh*t.

Chaiya Eitan: And in Ashdod port, the Israelis would have made sure that the stuff got to Gaza? Now…

@Nick, there are many reports that Israel provide food and goods in excess to Gaza. The amounts of “Aid” in the flotilla was negligible compared to how much is provided weekly. The flotilla did not help. Of course, there are other issues and problems in Gaza.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3smJH8jb6M

Barry you said: “Your picking and choosing the parts you like then in response to the parts you don’t like.”

You mean picking and choosing like this?

http://t.co/AAwZvLw

Nick, its not that Irish people support Israel and their crimes. This is all part of a deliberate internet campaign on israels behalf http://twitter.com/#!/GerryCasey/status/109941270725664768/photo/1

http://twitter.com/#!/GerryCasey/status/109941270725664768/photo/1

http://pic.twitter.com/EuZsgk6

Will we now see the IPSC et al. Stop using the term “Illegal” blockade?

@barry Why should they?

1 the report had no credibility from day one as it includes a long term ally of Israel and fellow war criminal former Colombian tyrant Uribe. Dont forget Uribe considers murdering Trade Unionists simply for being trade unionists as a good thing as his regime showed throughout his term

http://electronicintifada.net/content/uribes-appointment-flotilla-probe-guarantees-its-failure/8968

2 this so called inquiry never took evidence from any survivor of Israels murderous attack on this peaceful and unarmed flotilla.

3 the report itself actually states “It means that the Panel cannot make definitive findings either of fact or law. But it can give its view.”

4 The report also states “No satisfactory explanation has been provided to the Panel by Israel for any of the nine deaths. Forensic evidence showing that most of the deceased were shot multiple times, including in the back, or at close range has not been adequately accounted for in the material presented by Israel.”

@cillian Maybe the fact that they slaughtered nine unarmed civilians on a boat in international waters that they had no right to attack has something to do with it? Do you think?

Gee Gerry, you’ve an awfully funny definition of “unarmed”, because I’d describe brandishing a scimitar as pretty well armed.

@cillian you talk of self defense. If armed people attacked you firing weapons would you not defend yourself with anything you could get your hands on?

How can a situation where nine human beings are murdered be called "legal" ?

Eddie. They never said that is illegal. So keep twisting words for your own agenda. but while your at it.You can totally downplay the bit about “organised and violent resistance from a group of passengers

Let us remember.The was only ONE boat where there was violence.That was the IHH boat. Which the report also said had alot of questions to answer about its agenda.

Well Gerry .You can try to run down the report all you want,but Turkish and Israeli officals were on the panel. Plus if you wish to put down this report.Will you also put down any anti Israeli reports by the UN if there is some Pro Palestinian members on the board or is it just reports which may support Israel.

Wow Gerry Electronic Intifada. What an impartial pro Peace source of info. ROFL

They were shot at close range. Why because they were attacking at close range. The youtube videos show the soliders clearly being attacked.The report confirms this too.

Gerry, the evidence shows that the Israelis only used force for their own protection as result of, what the Palmer report describes as; an “organized and violent resistance from a group of passengers”.

Don’t be disingenuous, it doesn’t help your argument.

“Will you also put down any anti Israeli reports by the UN if there is some Pro Palestinian members on the board or is it just reports which may support Israel?”

Ha! Gerry, are you going to answer Barry’s question?

Barry I wouldnt support the inclusion of a war criminal or someone who has specifically supported war crimes acts to be part of any tribunal or investigation into acts of possible war crimes or any criminal acts. Regardless of who was under investigation

Considering three people have given my last comment re war criminals investigating war crimes the thumbs down – would any of you three care to state why you think having war criminals investigating war crimes or other criminal offences would be a good thing?

Who is the war criminal? Was one member of the panel found guilty of war crimes?

Cillian: Maybe because every time they act in a tit-for-tat manner, it IS always excessive. If an unguided missile lands in an Israeli field, the IDF repsonds by blanket bombing residential districts with precision munitions.
If am unarmed journalist ushers children to safety, they shoot them in the head: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5863204188744026936

Many of the survivors, including a number of Irish citizens were threatened, beaten and tortured following their kidnapping and forcible abduction to Israel. Interesting that you consider kidnapping and torture so hilarious isnt it?

Gerry – Irish survivors gettings beaten and tortured? Perhaps you would like to share a link to substantiate that? Reading hit and run comments tends to be tiring after a while and doesnt convince the reader.

And its hard to make peace when all previous attempts to do so failed, each attempt for peace increased terror attacks and rocket fire, your very existence is being denied and you are being constantly bombarded by rockets from terrorist groups.

There are many sides to the conflict, and none should be ignored (and many are ignored every single day). Are you saying nothing will ever change and nobody should ever try to change anything?

(Fyi there is food and water in Gaza. Yes there is limited building materials unfortunately).

James what previous attempts have Israel made to make peace? They blatantly ignore the oslo accords from day one. The supposed offer of the west bank was in reality an unsustainable network of south african style bantustans that could never become a viable independent state. They continue to build illegal settlements, an illegal apartheid wall and maintain an illegal siege on Gaza. They broke the ceasefire that had been agreed with Hamas over Gaza following Israels defeat and withdrawal from South Lebanon the year before the slaughter of 1500 gazans including women and children during operation cast lead. They bomb and murder in Gaza on a daily basis. They intern and jail those who dare speak out against their occupation. They impose collective punishment on the Palestinian people in violation of international law

@Gerry, reality is not a pick and mix sweet shop. You cant just choose what you like in the world and ignore everything else that doesn’t support your opinion. To do so would leave any argument you use unbalanced, unreliable and irrelevant.

Why do you post here? What are your motivations? Whatever they might be, it certainly does not seem to be about living in a peaceful world. You post with a great deal of anger and passion. Why dont you direct all that energy into something that can make a difference or make the world better. No, instead, you post propaganda and half truths in your incomplete arguments. Again, I ask you, cant you do better?

Look at the posts from Brian Ward on this article and in general.. He is very much Pro-Palestine. Sure, I dont agree with everything he says, and sometimes I feel he posts misleading information and can make conclusions that are not always accurate or correct. However, I can respect how he posts as he at least has some semblance of reality in his posts. He does more than copy and paste propaganda and often brings important points into the discussion, and does so without the usage of internet stalking and without insulting people.

Gerry, I dont expect you to start posting so well, but, I recommend that you post better than you have been. I say this with no intended offence to you.

Stick to the issues.Not attacking me. I am not an Israeli spokesman.Nor am I an apologist. Thats like me calling you a Hamas apologist.
Maybe respond to the facts .Not attacking others.

Credibility was never questioned.Turkey repeatidly asked for it to be delayed.As it wanted an apology. STICK TO FACTS. IT MIGHT ACTUALLY HELP

Come on, Eddie. You’re not stupid. The Widgery Report you refer to was not prepared by independent international experts.

Eddie Barrett, Do you have any difficulty with the conclusions of the Goldstone Report, bearing in mind that Mary Robinson refused to be on that panel because of built-in bias and Goldstone himself changed his mind on key conclusions?

Impartial eclipse, neither was this report. Uribe is a war criminal whose government had a policy of kidnapping, torturing, disappearing and murdering trade unionists and other opposition activists

Barry the credibility of the commission was questioned from day one when its make up was announced as I have already shown.

There wasn’t a whimper about this Uribe guy until the last few weeks when it became clear through leaks that the report would say Israel’s blockade was legal. Then all you anti-Israel folk had to scramble to find a reason to attack the neutrality of the report. Nice try, though.

Impartial Increase there was indeed uproar at the time when Uribe was appointed to this. He is a war criminal and a supporter of war crimes. He has been responsible for the murders and mass killings of trade unionists, political opponents and other social activists in Colombia. He was a close ally of both the USA and Israel and had close military ties with both

What has Álvaro Uribe been found guilty of?

Gerry.Goldstone report was questioned.Mary Robinson refused to join it. CAN YOU TELL ME DO YOU REJECT THE GOLDSTONE REPORT?

Obviously Barry you support the Goldstone report and its findings?

Gerry your boring and just trolling now really.I asked you the question. Talk to yourself from now on. I don’t need to have the last word.Its not that important.Its clear by the thumbs down buttons.Many objected to your comments and even anti Israel people.Got tired of you using the word Terrorist.
Off to enjoy my weekend.You stay there being an arm chair propagandist.It obviously makes you feel important.

You raised the Goldstone report so surely you would give your own opinion on it before asking others their views – no?

Following orders is not excuse for committing war crimes or other criminal actions. Though I agree the politicians who order these atrocities should be the first in the dock, war criminals like Netanyahu etc

How about those who launch missiles and rockets at southern Israel? Are they terrorists?

Amazing Gerry has appointed himself judge and jury. Yet no one has been convicted. Seems when it comes to ISRAELI’s Gerry has decided they are not entitled to a fair trial.

Ha ha ha Barry. Judge Jury and Executioner? Thats precisely what your terrorist heroes in the IOF were when they slaughtered those civilians on the flotilla

IOF???Oh would you go away with your propaganda.Your comments have received huge thumbs down numbers. Its all the sound bytes with you boy. I prefer to support truth and reconciliation not propaganda and demonisation. So you keep it up.
Your a good laugh.Really NOT A WORD OF CRITICISM TOWARDS HAMAS FOR ANY OF THIS MESS.Ignoring Hamas war crimes against Israeli civilians etc.No one is saying Israeli is totally innocent,but no one is saying its totally guilty. EXCEPT YOU. Its boring. Its Friday.I suggest go for a drink and maybe get a life.

IOF barry is Israeli Occupation Forces. Are you suggesting they are not Occupation forces in Palestine? Any part of Palestine?
You say “NOT A WORD OF CRITICISM TOWARDS HAMAS FOR ANY OF THIS MESS”

First of all it was not Hamas who launched the murderous attack on the Mavi Marmara which is what this discussion is about. It was the Israeli regime that done so.

Secondly, I have regularly and repeatedly my total opposition to any attacks by any army or organisation against civilian targets, including those by hamas or by Israel. Unlike you Barry, I have never seen you condemn murders and war crimes by Israel in Gaza, on the Mavi Marmara or anywhere else.

So the only one ignoring war crimes is you Barry something you regularly do

Really, lads. It’s pathetic that we have to resort to ‘ad hominem’ arguments when we cannot think of anything to say. Play the game, Barry, not the man. Personal abuse is not rational argument.

Of course, the only worthwhile thing to do on a Friday is go get pissed, I forgot. Sorry.

Well Well. What a rant. My last comment to you Gerry. You don’t know who I am .I know your arrogant and all,but seriously.DON’T JUDGE me or try people words in my mouth.How pathetic and foolish of you. If you can’t win an argument without doing that. Just shows how weak your points are. Now Good evening and goodbye

Nick. Its become pathetic. Gerry feels the need to have the last word. I say let him have it. He prefers his sound bytes and propaganda phrases over fact and reality. So be it. I am not too concerned really.I prefer to engage with those who wish to advance,truth reconciliation and justice. Slan.

Barry you say “what a rant”

Now here is exactly what I said _

“IOF barry is Israeli Occupation Forces. Are you suggesting they are not Occupation forces in Palestine? Any part of Palestine?
You say “NOT A WORD OF CRITICISM TOWARDS HAMAS FOR ANY OF THIS MESS”

First of all it was not Hamas who launched the murderous attack on the Mavi Marmara which is what this discussion is about. It was the Israeli regime that done so.

Secondly, I have regularly and repeatedly my total opposition to any attacks by any army or organisation against civilian targets, including those by hamas or by Israel. Unlike you Barry, I have never seen you condemn murders and war crimes by Israel in Gaza, on the Mavi Marmara or anywhere else.

So the only one ignoring war crimes is you Barry something you regularly do”

Now Barry what part of that is a rant or do you find objectionable or untrue? Feel free to point it out if there is anything untrue and I will correct it if there is.

Nick, Barry and his buddies in the Embassy are flat out on the net today

Anybody launching an attack against unarmed civilians could be deemed a terrorist by one side and a freedom fighter by the other. The problem is that there is no internationally recognised legal definition of what exactly is an act of terror. Hamas launching rocket attacks on military targets would to my mind be an act of terror and equally so a state agency shooting unarmed civilians is also an act of terror. Where I have difficulty is when people bandy around the word so freely , accusing the other side of terrorism without looking to their actions and assessing them in the same light. Add to that the fact that different countries have different views on who is a terrorist http://tiny.cc/qk90w and it gets even more confusing. I’m researching a paper at the moment on terrorism and it’s a pain in the ass because for instance Hamas is deemed a terrorist organization by Canada, the EU and the US but not by Australia, the UK, India and Russia. So who is right?

If you are going to condemn the other side for terrorist acts then you should be prepared to condemn your own side as well. I don’t see much of that happening here or any where else for that matter.

Oh and Barry CAME DOWN WITH THE CAPITAL LETTERS LAD, YOU’LL GIVE YOURSELF HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE IF YOU KEEP THIS UP! :-)

.I’ve never worked for the Embassy and never will.
Why is it always pro Israel people are paid Hasbara activists.but people like you whom have been here ALL day.Never are asked where they earn there money.Or accused of working for the IPSC lobby group or the Palestinian Embassy in Dublin. Why the major double standards.

Gerry Sligo: Yr right; the embassy is indeed out in force. I cannot, for the life of me, understand that anyone can defend the Israelis in their conduct towards the Palestinians. The very land of Israel was cut out of the pre-existing state against the will of many. Not content with their new state, instead of trying to get on with the neighbours, they strongarm everyone in the region.
I’d love to see how noisy they’d be if the US ever decided it had had enough. But the US can’t: who runs the banks?

Lol. Seems your willing to say anything. re working for the Embassy. Doesn’t matter if you’ve evidence or not.
IF you’ve evidence I or anyone else are employed by the Israeli Embassy or any Hasbara or Pro Israel activists group.Please do tell us all. I am eager to hear

Barry, chill man, you NEED that pint! Of course you don’t work for the Embassy, we know that…

Oh here we go.Back to reality with a bang.NICK with his comments. Jews control the world. etc. The banks etc.

Seems those defending Palestinians have more concern with attacking Jews than Supporting Palestinians. While Assad was slaughtering Palestinians recently .The IPSC et al were silent largely.

Evidence we work for the Embassy??

Barry, I have no interest in attacking Jews. This has nothing to do with Jews. If Israel were full of Jehova’s witnesses who had behaved in the same way, I’d take issue with them.

As for the comment about the banks, it is just a matter of public record how many of the major banking forces worldwide are owned by the Jews. This is not to condemn them for that. Talent is talent. But, before we make judgements about international (dis)agreements, we should see that they rarely have simple origins.

For the record: I utterly and without reservation condemn racism or holocaust denial, or any form of bigotry.

Speaking of holocaust denial Nick look at this

http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2011/07/29/settler-mks-welcome-russian-neo-nazi-holocaust-deniers-to-knesset-yad-vashem/

Settler MKs Welcome Russian Neo-Nazi Holocaust Deniers to Knesset, Yad VaShem