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“its is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a person’s home”
Enda Kenny – 1994
If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
Adolf Hitler
Citizen… Enda never said it,really?
Btw the FG manifesto for the 2011 GE stated they would not introduce a recurring charge on the family home.
Did FG get an overall majority? Was it in the program for government?
Property Tax
Proposals in Programme for Government:
Consider a site valuation tax taking account of the significant number of households in mortgage distress and the need to provide local government with a reliable stream of revenue.
Both Fine Gael and Labour had proposed a type of site valuation tax in their manifestos but only from 2014 (see below in terms of their interim proposals on property tax). In Fine Gael’s manifesto they stated that they would empower local authorities to put in place, following the 2014 local elections, fairer alternatives to recurring annual tax on the family home. The options would include:
(a) No extra local taxes;
(b) Increased local user charges for waste etc; or
(c) The option of a local “site sale profits tax” on the profit made from the site value on the sale of a residence (sales proceeds, less cost indexed by inflation, less stamp duty paid and less home improvements).
Proposals in EU/IMF Programme of Financial Support for Ireland
Introduction of a property tax signalled for Budget 2012.
Increase in property tax signalled for Budget 2013.
So the taxes we got that are not FG’s fault are because of Labour and the same applies to the water charge that Labour were against its FG’s.
Citizen thanks for confirming that FG are liars,cheers bud.
Extract below from Page 59 of the FG 2011 election manifesto: (since removed from their website)
“Funding Local Government: Fianna Fail’s proposal, now endorsed by the Labour Party, to introduce by 2014 an annual, recurring residential property tax on the family home is unfair. But as we tackle the fiscal crisis, we will have to cut central exchequer funding for local authorities, and we recognise that local authorities will have to find more sustainable sources of revenue appropriate to local circumstances. What will be viewed as fair in South Dublin might be viewed as unworkable in rural Clare.
In this context, we will empower local authorities to put in place, following the 2014 local elections, fairer alternatives to Fianna Fail’s and Labour’s recurring annual tax on the family home. The options would include:
• No extra local taxes, forcing local authorities to close non-priority services and / or to deliver increased efficiencies;
• Increased local user charges for waste etc.; or
• The option of a local “site sale profits tax”. Such a tax would be levied on the profit made from the site value on the sale of a residence (sales proceeds, less cost indexed by inflation, less stamp duty paid and less home improvements)
The final measure might be considered as both fairer and more economically sensible than an annual
recurring property tax. Whichever option local electorates choose, for the first time since the 1970s local government will have real independence from central government in deciding what services to provide at local level and how to fund them.”
Labour of course were opposed to water charges prior to entering government.
So the FG and Labour manifestos are entirely fluid and negotiable to the detriment of the citizens while the Troika’s manifesto to have the people cover every red cent of odious private banking debt is not. Interesting.
Yep Norman it’s called compromise, it’s something adults do.
Citizen nope, it’s called lies.
I’m delighted they all had to pay up, i thought they all said they would go to jail before paying :D
Ass.
Didn’t pay, was deducted from salary on instructions from revenue. Don’t think people have forgotten…
State approved robbery.
Pay your taxes
Revenue took Property Tax from wages………..
Definition of “took”
to remove without permission
to take something that belongs to another.
Oh, stop it. These were people who failed to pay their taxes despite having plenty of time to do so, and despite the vast majority of their fellow citizens paying up.
Ballox. I’ve paid enough in paye tax, prsi, usc, car tax, nct tax, TV license, stamp duty, etc. I’m paying f##kall more
You’re so right. We should all get to pick and choose the taxes we pay based entirely on our own assessment of what we can afford. Based on our honesty as a society I see this working out perfectly well!
We don’t need your type of tell on this country
*Troll
Neal, these are people who own a home, that have paid 10s of thousands on stamp duty and all the various taxes involved in building that home. Stamp duty was deemed to cover your life time in your home, a home that is most likely worth a fraction of what was paid and in negative equity. So home owners are fully entitled to be reluctant in paying a made up tax that will not benefit our towns and communities. It was unjust and handled badly.
I think your dictionary is broken there Jack:
“took/tʊk/
past of take.
take/teɪk/
verb
lay hold of (something) with one’s hands; reach for and hold.
remove (someone or something) from a particular place.
carry or bring with one; convey.
accept or receive (someone or something).
consume as food, drink, medicine, or drugs.
make, undertake, or perform (an action or task).
require or use up (a specified amount of time).
(of a plant or seed) take root or begin to grow; germinate.
have or require as part of the appropriate construction.”
You were probably looking for stolen, but then, that wouldn’t be right either, because the LPT is an approved tax, put in place by a democratically elected government, whose mandate it is to take certain decisions to implement policies such as these.
@ Galloping Major:
Please follow the following link:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/took?s=t
Go to :
Verb explanation #25
to carry off without permission:
to take something that belongs to another.
So it means 25 other things before it means what you are effectively calling stealing?
Also, isnt the implementation of a tax by the majority party government, which has a 95% compliance effectively saying they do have permission to take that? What about all the people that did pay? Should these cheats be left away with it? I hope they didnt know about it and it screwed them over financially. That’ll teach them!
The gallop, to put your comment in context, although probably unnecessary. The we’re elected democratically based on massively misleading mandate, and on what the main stream media aired them saying. So the electorate were subtly conned.
Hey Fintan, it was in their election manifesto to introduce water charges. I take it your pleased they’re keeping that promise?
Check your payslips folks. I discovered I’d been paying property tax for a house I rented in 2003. Taken straight from wages for last 2 yrs
“Should these cheats be left away with it?”
Definition of ” cheat”.
To deceive
Influence by fraud.
Only 34% of the voters in the 2011 General Election voted for Fine Gael. That means 66% of voters did not vote for a property tax. Taking taxes out of peoples wages do not classify as compliance.
@ O’Reilly:Like I have already said to the Galloping Major, only 34% of the electorate in 2011 voted for Fine Gael. That implies that 66% or 2/3rds of voters did not want their introduction of Water Charges.
people can’t afford this bondholder property tax, end of.
Less than 755,000 people voted for Water Charges in the 2011 General Election, out of a population of nearly 4.5 million and Fine Gael tell us they have a mandate. What makes it worse is that we have Fine Gael supporters on these forums who believe that they got a mandate to introduce these charges. Fine Gael never got an overall majority so their mandate means nothing-they never got a mandate to introduce their Manifesto from the electorate.
Hey oreilly no it wasn’t.
this story makes me smile :)
Didn’t fail to pay, refused to pay in protest. Why should we pay to bail out bondholders and speculators?
John, do you think the people imposing the taxes are honest and have the best interests of the people of Ireland at heart? I certainly don’t…
€780,000 million????
No wonder there is no money in the country.
That’s right! €780 billion!
Plenty of Money in the country but the scroungers don’t want to pay their fair share. A success for the Revenue over all.
Is that a misprint or did they take 780 billion??
Sean
You must have paid an absolute fortune in property tax #propertymogul
Yes it was quite a substantial amount but I will be passing it on to the tenants so i’m not too bothered.
I haven’t paid it and they haven’t taken from me, I pay more than enough through my income taxes
Sorry sorry sorry, it should have read €780 million.
So mister mahony,would that be the official party line.
It just goes to show exactly the attitude shown.
Sean,
The LPT is just another mechanism to make the Irish citizens pay for the systemic collapse of speculative financial capitalism in 2008. I applaud the “scroungers” for refusing to pay their “fair share” of the banker taxes.
“Revenue took” Loose translation, revenue stole money from honest people who refused to be cowed into submission with vile threats. The real scroungers are the ruling elite and their flunkies in revenue.
Seriously
If I was a delusional FG supporter I would be bald with worry by now.
I wouldn’t be doing too much worrying about these fg vultures,their end is very very close and hopefully itvwill make ff’s kicking look like a barn dance.
Sean, living with mummy and working for daddy and still looking down on people. Reckon you’d ever be able to get a real job without daddy’s coattails to cling to Sean?
To all the AAA lunatics or socialist lunatics,
What have yous got to say about the socialist metropolis that is Venezuela?
Exactly…. in the last few mouths we barely scrape by every month with the bills paid. Absolutely ZERO spent that isn’t food & bills (and no we don’t have sky/upc etc etc).
And you know why? …. because everyone that I use to get work from is exactly the same. The domestic economy is empty.
And now the animals want to charge us for water… gggrrrrr.
To Ciaran,
Are you referring to the falling poverty levels in Venezuela?
“Six of the 11 countries with information available in 2012 recorded falling poverty levels (see table 1). The largest drop was in the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, where poverty fell by 5.6 percentage points (from 29.5% to 23.9%) and extreme poverty by 2.0 percentage points (from 11.7% to 9.7%). In Ecuador, poverty was down by 3.1 percentage points (from 35.3% to 32.2%) and indigence by 0.9 percentage points (from 13.8% to 12.9%).
This 5.6 percentage point decrease in Venezuela translates into a 19 percent decline in poverty overall last year, which CEPR Co-Director Mark Weisbrot noted last month “is almost certainly the largest decline in poverty in the Americas for 2012, and one of the largest – if not the largest – in the world.”
This dramatic decrease in poverty is likely due to the impact of two new misiones (social programmes), the Gran Misión En Amor Mayor Venezuela and the Gran Misión Hijos de Venezuela, which were, by January 2013, benefitting more than 1,400,000 people.”
P.S. Do you know what the word “metropolis” means?
No,I’m not referring to what data from three years ago.
I’m referring to whats happing now after all the money has been spent with socialist stupid economics
30 thousand marched in dublin in 2012 against property tax we had it beaten then fg labour used the revenue to threaten people with looking into their bank accounts the irish then decided to ly down got scared or couldnt be bothered.What i am really saying is the irish are sheep afraid of a fight bar the few that stood their ground i am proud to say i am one of those.Taxing a family home is unjust like making people pay for water a third time is unjust.Well come to the banking dictator ship. All we can do is stand our ground or just roll over._.Fighting irish
those protests were fairly pathetic just like the waters protests
You are most likely a fine gaeler or labour supporter who can’t see on front of their nose.
The policy is to take take take.
Keep the ordinary citizens down.
Look after your cronies banks and Corprates.
How would you define fair share?
Profit before people. FG/Lab the party that sucks Merkel’s……
……fiscal ring!
Robbery but legal another forced through FG policy that the people didn’t want.
So let’s raise income tax, tax the working man and woman more. Let the spongers keep on sponging.
Any suggestions for taxes that people might want?
Reg , so simple a comment and yet so true ! Genius.
Why thank you Rory!
A tax on somebody else apart from me, let everybody else pay
No one wants to pay tax, but they are part of life. However we pay more than enough. So it’s fair that people do not want additional taxes/charges on top of the additional ones we have already reluctantly accepted.
Reg there comes a point where tax becomes an inhibitor in people’s lives and that is the case now. This government has gone to the well too many times and what do we get absolute wasteage of money in every sector of government and absolute feck all reform to ensure value for money. This government could have the money of the oil rich countries and still squander it all.
Reg there comes a point where tax becomes an inhibitor in people’s lives and that is the case now. This government has gone to the well too many times and what do we get absolute wasteage of money in every sector of government and absolute feck all reform to ensure value for money. This government could have the money of the oil rich countries and still squander it all.
Dec we are a oil and gas rich country but ff rat Ray Burke blew that on us too.
Troll tax?
Actually Reg, I do have some suggestions. How about we get a health service that doesn’t leave elderly sick people waiting on trollies and others on a two year waiting list waiting for treatment, an education system that is really free and educates rather than indoctrinates, all the wasted buildings owned by NAMA refurbished to offer shelter to the homeless, a water supply that doesn’t put people at risk if they drink it and roads that don’t wreck your car. I’d happily pay a lot more tax if I could see benefits like those. But not to make rich people richer while ordinary hard working people carry the burden for a situation they didn’t create
Getting revenue to do their dirty work (and use the proceeds to pay bondholders) is possibly the biggest abuse of power carried out by this shower.
Thats 68,000 people, and their immediate families, many of whom may have been fooled by kenny/gilmore into voting FG/Labour.
Roll on the next GE. Don’t forget to bring your disgust with you to the ballot box.
My disgust wouldn’t stretch to voting Sinn Fein.
Spammin, stop. The games up. The country is in recovery. Sinn Fein are in Decline. And your 68,000 spongers should be named and shamed…
O Reilly took from their wages,how are they ‘spongers’?
Because they didnt pay up Norman. Spongers…
Ah now Jammin, the bond holders didn’t get it all, irish water got a lump too.
I’m sooo happy that the place and services it was ment for are falling to pieces it makes me all gooie inside…. Oh sorry not gooie, makes me want to puke
O Reilly on the plus side that’s 68,000 people who more than likely won’t feel the love for this government come the GE.
They weren’t likely to vote for government parties anyway Norman!
Ireland is a disgusting place to live. No EU Gov has consent to tax Family Homes. FTT (Financial Transaction Tax on Banks) would raise same as LPT (Tax on Family Homes) ,,,,550 million euro per annum.
So you’re able to give a demographic and voting habit to back that up?
O’Reilly I have worked and paid tax all my adult life.Sponger I am not.As my post below states it was my way of saying fu€k them.
They took their money and more.It won’t be long now they will want us to wear the same clothes and have the same haircut…….
Horse’s… the only place they listen is the polling booth.
Neuville, you completely ignore the fact that those transactions would simply move to another jurisdiction where no charge exists. Like the UK. Stop buying the SF BS of initiatives costed in isolation with no regard to economic impacts. Educate yourself…
Jayziz Norman. You sounds more and more like spammin every day. Link please, etc…
I didn’t pay as a point of principle. It was taken from my salary ergo I paid. How am I a sponger?
O Reilly, when you make assumptions don’t be surprised when you’re called out.
I can assume you and every other FG supporter are a**holes but it doesn’t mean I’m right.
You didn’t pay. It was taken. While most other citizens did pay. Ergo sponger.
If revenue hadn’t taken it would you have paid up voluntarily after a period of principled stand?
It was flagged well in advance that revenue would have power to attach the bill to my salary so there was no fear of me not paying the charge I just wasn’t volunteering it.
Yet you Norman, in the first instance assumed the 68,000 won’t be voting for government parties in the GE. I should have asked you for a link, demographics and home addresses…
John, you actions cost the tax payer – your fellow citizens – money. Well done…
Can I have the calculations of what my actions cost the tax payer? I’m sure I’ll be near the bottom of any list of tax defaulters.
I’m sure it’s not much John.
But when added to your 67,999 fellow defaulters I’m sure the administration cost to recoup could run to a significant sum…
Such a sum to be covered by the added penalties?
Lol -O’Reilly-your fellow citizen
R Neuville, no EU Govt has consent to tax a family home? Really ? Property taxes are normal in every country except Ireland.
So petty John…. Thanks for costing us all extra even though you knew it
I assume nothing O Reilly but the fact they had it forcibly took by Revenue empowered by FG/Lab will hardly endear the government parties to them.
They may have been supporters before hand I don’t know as neither do you,just saying.
Send me your address and I’ll send a postal order. :)
Not at all John.
Send it to a homeless shelter thstvreally needs hard earnedvtax payers money. I’ll be alright… :)
Was an offer to Robhall.ie but if your stuck :)
Most other citizens like yourself Reilly are sheep and cowards.
@John send me yours and I’ll buy you a one way plane ticket
You’ve got to be kidding right? Tell me you’re kidding.
Can’t stand it when people are stubborn for no gain and impact others when doing so. Maybe not a ticket but a few pints and a roaring conversation!!
Is that code for “can’t stand it when fellow tax paying citizens have a different opinion then mine and act on it by temporarily deferring payment of a tax thus incurring additional expense to themselves, so let’s deport them”?
So what you’re saying davedunne, is your a trail blazers, a leader, a visionary and a revolutionary. So why’d you pay your property tax then,?
Well John of it cost you extra then I’m happy with that but not happy if you cost the rest of us which you clearly did. Deport no, I was clearly tongue in cheek after your own answer.
As long as you’re proud of yourself that’s the main thing here isn’t it?
By that logic the USC should be abolished then, right?
@JohnR read what i said ” no EU Govt has citizen consent to tax family homes” Try a Referendum and see how you get on!
@O’Reilly: FTT tax exists in 11 other EU countries. I dont think they are all less educated than you!
Sort this out and stop taxing Family Homes to support inflated Public Sector pay and pensions.
CSO figures April 2014.
€899.57 average Public Sector weekly pay.
€628.01 average Private Sector weekly pay.
€271.56 more per week or 43.24% higher pay for Public Sector.
Note: Ignore Red Thumbs from paid trolls of Fine Gael and Labour Political Parties.
Legally robbed by Merkels agents in fine gael.
The heading of this article should be FG/Lab got Revenue to steal from 68,000 people who didn’t pay property tax..paying for something twice seems to be a policy of our government towards it s people, for example: WATER!!!
Woodie Guthrie, wrote a song during the 1930s US depression including the lines: Some will rob you with a six gun, and some with a fountain pen. Que the bank bailout / modern day theft by fountain pen
Denis, a plagiarism of Oscar Wilde. Just a copycat.
Household tax/property tax was when I said fu€k them,enough is enough and I took a stand and didn’t register.
Just under 16 euro a week taken off me,including fines for being a bold boy.
Registered this year and have the guts of a tenner extra in the pocket.Great bunch of lads our leaders……
Being a bold boy and not paying, expect by the time that the next election is called that many folks will have forgotten which political parties advocated non payment.
They took money out of my wages even though I don’t own a house and have repeatedly told them this. My employer had to deduct it through no fault of her own and they have now valued a house that doesn’t exist at 315,000 in my name. Now they want my employer to write a letter stating how much she deducted from my wages (another inconvenience!) incompetent shower!!
€780 billion is quite a lot of tax to take in.
That Dublin property prices for ya!
Million . Not billion. Read before writing.
It was billion when I made my comment Think before you type.
A painful process but the move from paying 30 years worth of property tax up front (high stamp duty) to an annual charge is a fairer system.
Hardly reg, for those of us who paid stamp duty it’s a double taxation. Give me back the stamp duty and I will gladly pay it in installments…
That was tough on many Ciaran. Are you receiveing the enhnaced morgage interest relief? While not a refund it’s something.
@reg ..tis but a drop in the ocean
Stamp duty was not paid on new builds, part of the reason why there are now so many dilapidated s/h houses scattered around the country.
Just watched Eurocrawler Kenny ( Merkel’s Muppet) being interviewed in Brussels, and acting like teacher’s pet, toeing the Euro line , in contrast to the strong confident , and independent performance of the Greek Finance Minister, who despite their problems stood up to Herr Schauble , who exudes misery , and personifies austerity, and looks like he was hand picked for his Scrooge-like persona!
I wouldn’t presume any of this will end well for the Greeks – but then they can feed their kids with pride in their new political leaders.
Some politicians will obviously say anything to win an election. The Greek people have been duped once again it would appear.
78,000 refused to pay right until the end even after revenue. This shows a hint of the level of irish water refusals.
I expect 400,000 minimum to refuse to pay until next next election.
And “a “very large volume of calls” to the Revenue helpline” was calls to tell them what to do with that tax… I bet.
But once they agreed to pay for it and signed that first property tax document then they signed it in blood then… Never put your signature to anything that comes from this government…
So I take it you won’t accept the state pension in the future? And is you have kids you don’t accept the monthly allowance?
My father paid enough tax as he was self employed especially in the 80s to keep those in the Dail to keep on getting those big lovely pensions. Then when he was diagnosed with a terminal ailment after a stroke, it took them 9 months to give him anything because he was self employed they didn’t want to give him anything and he never got anything backdated for those 9 months because they tried out to make out he didn’t deserve it even with a stroke. I don’t have kids and in 1994 I was unemployed and was not on the dole, innocents of youth.
What do these politicians do but get paid and pensioned by us for what, a good time for St. Paddy’s weekend and spouting bull near election time?
Compliance is not Consent. No EU Government has consent to Tax Family Homes. Irish have a Referendum on same sex marriage instead of Rent Control, Family Home Tax , Obscene Car Tax … Why should the Irish have a Second Class Democracy unlike Switzerland.
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In a people’s referendum on 27 September 2009, an increase of the VAT rates was approved by a majority of 54.5% of the Swiss people.
The increase in the VAT rate will apply from 1 January 2011 until 31 December 2017, and will be as follows:
Standard VAT rate to increase from 7.6% to 8%;
Reduced VAT rate to increase from 2.4% to 2.5%; and
Special reduced VAT rate to increase from 3.6% to 3.8%.
The rate of income tax, even for low earners in Switzerland is around 40% do you agree with that too?
@DaraMcG. Tax on Family Homes is Regressive. Income Tax is not. Let the citizens decide or continue with the Irish having a SECOND RATE Democracy.
Will their luvvieships take 1.75million euro in expenses. Ireland a great little country to do corruption in. Of course the judges deserve all we can give them. Pass the claret
780,000 million? Whats that? 7.8 trillion?
I love the Journal.
780 SQUILLION!!!
The reason this tax was given to Revenue to collect was this Government did not trust the majority of house owners to pay it. If the Government does not trust a large proportion of the electorate how can they expect the electorate to trust them in the upcoming GE. Trust has to work both ways. Winning a battle does not mean winning the war.
Central bank , revenue , dept of finance = biggest gangsters/ liars this country has ever seen ! No wonder a poor oul primary school teacher was put in the top job ! When was he ever gonna stand up to anyone over the age of 12 never mind a professional criminal !!
So given you’ve no respect for the abilities of anyone from the teaching profession, what background or profession would be an appropriate one for a senior politician?
Compliance, what a flushing joke.
It’s revenue taking it.
That’s not flushing compliance,we don’t have a choice.
Theft, and they want me to pay for water aswell, fat chance, I’ll go to mountjoy quicker.
Bástards
And they protest over the water charge when this is costing twice as much and the mortgage
Straw,camel and back springs to mind.Btw Revenue can’t collect the water charge.
My Christ,the yfg/yl wannabe lackies are out in force tonight.
They are like fly’s on manure to procrastinate the party lines.
I wonder just how it would change their perception if they discovered their parents or any family members were thrown out of their houses or were malnourished because of inability to pay draconian taxes.
Normally I wouldn’t wish it on anybody but these pretentious condescending people need tyo be thought a serious lesson in real life.
Take the cash out of the real economy and households. Pinching pennies instead of making pounds.
The Revenue took Property tax from my pension relating to a property in Cork that I do not own!
A strange world. No apology !
What’s going in!
The government are self destructing!
proper order
Rory, so what, the question is, is the sentiment expressed a true and honest one, I say yes.
And multinationals are allowed to choose how much tax to pay.
Is it not a bit embarrassing that some comments questioned whether it was 780 billion or 780 million!
All the best with that!!!
The disgraceful people who didnt pay on time should have their named published. name and shame
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