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Thousands of people who registered to vote may not be able to if election is held before 15 February

It has emerged that the updated register will not become valid until after Valentine’s Day.

THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE who registered to vote for an expected general election could be missing from the electoral register if the country goes to the polls by Valentine’s Day.

The problem has been highlighted after it emerged that the updated electoral register does not become valid each year until 15 February.

The issue could affect those who registered to vote in the last year, as well as those who changed the address their polling card is sent to. Both groups will currently appear on a draft electoral register.

The exact number of those currently on the draft register is not known, but it is believed to be in the thousands.

The issue has been raised by Fianna Fáil TD Sean Fleming, who has called for the government to remedy it by passing legislation to bring forward the date the register is updated – which will only be possible if the Dáil is not dissolved before it returns tomorrow.

“If the election happens before 15 February, those people who last September and October put their names on the draft register to come into effect this year will find they won’t have a vote…” he told Morning Ireland on RTÉ Radio 1.

“It’s only and solely because of the date of the election. We’ve never had an election in the middle of February before, when the new register comes into effect.”

Meanwhile his party leader Micheál Martin said: “There was an onus on the Government to clear all that up before they named a date and I’m surprised that they let that situation develop.

“I think thousands of people should be facilitated, who are on the draft register, of being able to vote. We may even have the anomaly of people who voted in the local election but won’t be able to vote in the general election, which is very odd indeed.”

Fleming called on the government to pass a motion to update the register by 1 February, and cautioned against another proposal that individual local authorities could use their discretion to add those on their draft registers to the supplementary register.

He said that this may not be possible because of a legal process which requires gardaí to stamp a form to allow individuals to be placed on the supplementary register.

Members of the public have been urged to check  if they are registered to vote by contacting their local authority, and to request to be put on the supplementary register up to 15 days before the date of the election.

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    Mute Arch Angel
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    May 29th 2021, 5:36 PM

    I’m a little puzzled by some of the comments here. I’m not an IT security specialist, if there are those who are, by all means please make yourselves known, because in matters such as this only qualified opinions carry weight.
    We know the HSE did ask for funding to upgrade their IT systems in the past and it was refused for various reasons, this was witnessed by ex HSE IT employees. It’s well documented they also have difficulty holding onto IT staff, who leave for better paying roles in the private sector.
    So, the decisions which lead to where we are now were largely political, it would have been unpopular to fund an expensive IT upgrade, so everyone procrastinated, avoided any decision and did what we always do. They kicked the proverbial can down the road. This was also the case when it came to retaining highly trained, specialist IT staff, the HSE wouldn’t pay them what they were worth as it wouldn’t have been politically acceptable and, as we know, they left to better paying positions in the private sector.
    So, here we are. The very people criticising what’s happened now are, in all likelihood, those who would have criticised the HSE had they spent the money upgrading their IT systems, had they increased their salaries for specialist IT staff. These are some of the people the politicians were afraid of when they made their decisions and they’re still blaming everyone else. We all share some responsibility.

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    May 29th 2021, 11:06 PM

    @Arch Angel: I’m one of the people who would criticize what’s happened.. I’m an IT cyber specialist. I would not have criticized the HSE for spending market rates on specialist engineers who could have secured patient data by implementing a cyber defence on a par with private sector organisations. Where is the accountability? Political or technical. Where is the accountability. None. Instead blame those bad criminals who had the audacity to target a national health system? Really?

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    Mute Sean McCann
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    May 30th 2021, 12:40 PM

    @AA: Well it’s a bit like leaving the window open and not blaming the burglars when you get burgled.
    However your are correct in that there is no accountability in the public service. Externally it doesn’t appear to be a learning organisation. That comes from the top and it’s very hard to install in a large organisation. Especially one as litigious as this country.
    As an IT security specialist you are well aware that if security or robustness is not built into the design at the start it’s very difficult and expensive to bolt it on afterwards. It’s hard to make a case when people think security spending means not delivering patient services.
    The government’s record on delivery of IT systems doesn’t inspire confidence. Remember PPARS.

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    Mute Richard O'Clear
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    May 29th 2021, 3:52 PM

    Total lack of accountability, when patient records start getting thrown out on the web I hope the owners fully sue the HSE under the GDPR rules.

    Reid is incompetent.

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    May 29th 2021, 4:12 PM

    @Richard O’Clear: not going to change anything, consecutive governments have failed to invest in updating the computer systems. You can’t blame one guy. I’d rather they now invest properly in an upgrade , and not have to pay out huge sums to claims.. leaving us in a worse position than before unable to pay for updates. The Russian hackers are responsible.. sue them . Our HSE staff have gone above and beyond the call of duty this past 15 months.. while the majority of you all sat at home ..

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    May 29th 2021, 4:32 PM

    @Patricia O’Reilly: HSE frontline staff yes. HSE overpopulated admin and middle management staff, no.

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    May 29th 2021, 3:50 PM

    Hse no excuse All computers too old to to some over 20 years old useless weak security that why hacker through. Should replace all new apple computers

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    May 29th 2021, 3:54 PM

    @Brian Flavin: they might get you some grammar lessons while they are at it.

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    Mute To Mt
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    May 29th 2021, 4:28 PM

    @Jack Johnson: grammar isn’t actually bad, they just left out and added in a word or two words, done it myself plentyoftimes. I understood them so I don’t see the big deal.

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    May 29th 2021, 4:37 PM

    @To Mt: see, I actually made a mess of that comment lol

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    May 29th 2021, 5:53 PM

    @Brian Flavin: You must be privy to information that the rest of us aren’t

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    May 29th 2021, 6:42 PM

    @Brian Flavin: You appear to be suggesting that there were a significant number of XP systems within the HSE, do you have evidence of this or do you ‘just know’? While it’s certainly possible, it’s my understanding this would have been the exception rather than the rule.
    With regard to your other suggestion that the HSE upgrade to Apple desktops, give me strength… Have you actually given this much thought? Any thought? Would they be any more secure? Possibly, however there is a misconception that Apple computers are immune from viruses and hackers somehow don’t target them. This is untrue. There’s also the cost, they would be substantially more expensive than Windows based systems, and would probably require additional Apple compatible software purchases. Then, most staff would be used to and trained on Windows so would required training on Apples. All told, the complete cost of migrating from a Windows based infrastructure to that of Apple would be several times more expensive at a time when such things are being very closely examined and questioned more than ever.

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    May 29th 2021, 8:00 PM

    @Brian Flavin: apple computers .. what are you on about !!!

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    May 29th 2021, 10:22 PM

    @Mike Kelly: They are better and safer. Yes more expensive but encrypted and hardware lasts for a decade or more. More standardization in manufacturing. Also no real training needed, they are intuitive and make sense when you start using them. I never thought I would like Apple but I will never go back.

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    May 30th 2021, 1:39 PM

    @Amy Roddey: Good luck rolling out a new OS and application software to 100,000 people without real training. It’s usually what happens and then hilarity ensues in organisations as a result. Massive loss in productivity. Apple is not more inherently secure than Windows both require systems management to run properly and securely. Once you network computers they are vulnerable to attack. There’s a reason why Windows is dominant in the enterprise. It’s designed to work in that setting. Being able to use word on a Mac is not the same as managing thousands of systems that need to talk to eachother. I still have PTSD from having to work with Apple “servers”.

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    Jun 1st 2021, 9:40 AM

    @Sean McCann: we can tell

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    Jun 19th 2021, 11:38 PM

    @Jack Johnson: He’s deaf. Deaf people can have difficulty with their writing. Have some compassion!

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    May 29th 2021, 4:31 PM

    420k a year for this? Pathetic what goes on in this country.

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    May 29th 2021, 6:37 PM

    @The Irish Bull: There is plenty of us that agree, it’s absolutely obscene what this man is being paid and for can only be described as total incompetence. These bureaucrat salaries need to capped at a reasonable level.

    Is it public record who applied for this position?.

    He was on the Fingal County Council, he has very little credentials that were gained late on and his main achievements seem to be that of a bureaucrat who helped negotiate pay cuts, irony abounds.

    He worked in the Public Expenditure and Reform department and was then given this job by the Public Appointment Service which smacks of in house & political pal corruption.

    For some perspective Simon Stevens starting salary when he took over the NHS was £189,900 an organisation many many times the size of the HSE.

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    May 29th 2021, 8:39 PM

    Windows 95 is the oprting system joice for the HSE. That surley is the reason they where hacked. HSE wouldn’t pay the money to upgrade

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    May 29th 2021, 11:29 PM

    @Ima Bored: you know very little

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    May 30th 2021, 7:21 PM

    Started in the Rotunda, who have no firewall as its IT security is not funded by the HSE. Wanted to spend their money on healthcare as youd expect. Fundamental problem with the HSE as all linked on to the same system. Fault lies squarely with the health minister and the make up of health care in Ireland

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