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'As long as there is work to do we'll continue it': The lead detective searching for the remains of The Disappeared

Geoff Knupfer has a unique role. He can’t make arrests, but concentrates solely on finding bodies.

IT MAY BE winter, but for Geoff Knupfer, the lead investigator searching for the remaining members of ‘The Disappeared’ the work doesn’t stop.

He’s over this side of the Irish Sea for a few days every week – assessing information, reviewing reports, and, as he repeatedly states “refining” what his small team of investigators know, in the hope of pinpointing locations for a possible dig.

Knupfer retired from Greater Manchester Police in 1997. A decade earlier, he helped bring closure to the family of one of the Moor Murders victims by helping locate the body of Pauline Reade as part of a major cold case operation.

He was one of the leading figures in the development of forensic archeology in the UK, and in 2005 was asked to take over the search for the remains of victims of The Troubles.

Now aged 69, he still has work to do.

Three members of The Disappeared are still yet to be located. A new search for Columba McVeigh, who was kidnapped and killed by the IRA more than four decades ago, is expected to start in the new year.

“‘As long as there is work to do we will continue it,” Knupfer said.

The Disappeared was the name given to the group of 16 people who went missing and were presumed to have been killed during The Troubles. The Provisional IRA has admitted responsibility for 13 of those deaths. A further death – that of Seamus Ruddy – was admitted by the INLA.

Knupfer has a unique role as the lead investigator for the Independent Commission for the Location of Victim’s Remains (ICLVR), in that his job is not to make arrests or bring people to justice – but solely to locate and identify bodies. The information he receives from former paramilitaries cannot be used in a prosecution.

Said Knupfer:

We have engagement with the republican movement. When they receive information or possession of information that they think will be of assistance to us they will contact us and we will take it from there.

The volume of information that comes in remains “pretty constant”, despite the passing of years.

Search for IRA victims PA Archive / PA Images PA Archive / PA Images / PA Images

Knupfer spoke to TheJournal.ie at a hotel close to the border. He usually bases himself there when he’s over, he explained – as it’s within striking distance of the sites “of interest”.

The ICLVR was set up by the Irish and British governments in 1999 as part of the peace process. It operates confidential Irish, British and international phone lines, an email address and a PO Box, and makes regular appeals for information – usually coinciding with anniversaries related to the victims they’re searching for.

The hope, when the Commission was established, was that the remains of those missing would be located relatively quickly – as people came forward with information. Within a few years, however, that process had stalled. Knupfer was asked to conduct a review of the work carried out to date, before being hired to overhaul the process in 2005.

“It was really about transforming a reactive organisation into a proactive organisation,” he explained.

That’s what we did and that’s really where we are now. It’s been about investigating rather than just sitting there waiting for people to ring the number or pass on information – researching it, doing our own background work and actively appealing.

His team comprises a “handful of people who’ve got a speciality in homicide or major crime investigation – and who know how to cold case review, because that’s what it’s really all about”.

The information they receive has always been “fundamentally correct” – guiding the investigators to the general areas to search. That information is analysed, and the search area narrowed down, through painstaking research – often taking years.

Does he often initiate contact, if there’s a piece of information he needs?

Yes, but we’re very careful in the way we do it. If we have information and we think there’s a line that could be pursued we probably talk to people about how to pursue this particular line.

He observed: “The people involved in these events are passing away as well which obviously makes it even more complicated.”

Because of the way the commission operates, Knupfer is limited in what he can say about the team’s information-gathering techniques – he stresses repeatedly during our conversation that he’s “speaking generally” and not referring to any specific interactions he had that might have generated information.

Search for the Disappeared The families of Seamus Wright and Kevin McKee hold a prayer service in Coghalstown, Co Meath in June 2015. Niall Carson Niall Carson

Former paramilitaries are often surprised at the kind of questions Knupfer and his investigators ask – questions about terrain, about geography.

We always say to people we’re talking to – you let us decide what is significant and what is not significant, just you tell us what you can recall and we’ll take it from there.
Early on the republican movement were surprised, I think, generally speaking, at some of the questions we asked because they were things that they never dreamt of.
We ask about the depth of grave, how the digging of the grave went, how many people did it – was it done in daylight? Was it done in the dark? How deep was it, what did you encounter?
One – without going into detail – talked about the different layers in the ground that they had gone through, and that actually helped us focus in on a particular area.

Three remaining victims 

The expected new search for Columba McVeigh will take place in the new year in Co Monaghan. Investigations to find the remains of former Cistercian monk Joseph Lynskey and British Army officer Robert Nairac also continue.

The remains of two other members of the The Disappeared – Seamus Wright and Kevin McKee – were found in Co Meath in 2015. Other victims have been found in counties Louth, Antrim, Wicklow and elsewhere.

This year’s successful search in northern France for the remains of Seamus Ruddy, who was killed by the INLA, differed from most of the ICLVR investigations, in that it was the first to take place outside the island of Ireland.

Even so, it fell into the usual pattern of how Knupfer and his team operate.

“That would entail face to face discussions with republicans and former paramilitaries and then going away and undertaking further research and then coming back with refined information.

I don’t know what they’re doing. We don’t ask them. But they come back and say ‘we think we’ve got some extra information on this’ – and it’s that sort of information that we use. We probably then go to the site and we try to evaluate or reevaluate the site.

‘You’ve got to be objective’

Regular meetings take place between the commission and family members. A family liaison officer has a single point of contact in each family. Knupfer said there was a strict “rule of thumb” that the families will never hear of a development connected to their relative’s case in the media without being informed first.

Silent Walk for the Disappeared PA Wire / PA Images PA Wire / PA Images / PA Images

Most recently the families gathered for the annual ‘Silent Walk’ at Stormont, to remember their loved ones (above). Even as the number still to be found reduces, Knupfer said the families, many of whom have campaigned together for decades, “all support each other – the families stick together”.

Does he think of the family members, when he’s in the countryside conducting a survey or an excavation?

“At that time, at that stage of the process, you’re thinking about it as an operation or as a process.

“There is a time to think about the victim and that’s when you recover them. Before we get there, this is about how best we achieve what we set out to achieve.

From an operational view, he said, “you tend to put that aside”.

I think, talking about cops more generally, if we all sat around thinking about how terrible a case was you’d never get anything done. You’ve just got to be objective you’ve got to get on with the job and that’s what we do.
There is a time, further down the line, to think about what happened, about how it happened and what relief it brings to the family by recovering their loved ones.

Remains of 'disappeared' IRA victims found A search outside Blessington in Wicklow in 2008. Remains of Danny McIlhone, who went missing in 1981, were found at the site. PA Archive / PA Images PA Archive / PA Images / PA Images

Geographical anomalies 

A decision to carry out a dig will only happen after multiple visits to the site, and after all the appropriate “non-invasive” methods of assessing the area have been ticked off.

Knupfer and his team use Ordnance Survey Ireland mapping and imagery to compare the appearance of the site to how it looked decades ago. They’ll also use dog teams, ground penetrating radar and other techniques to try and discover any anomalies that warrant further investigation.

That research “will never tell you X marks the spot – all it will say is that there’s something different here than there is there”. They may be searching for anomalies “but the problem we’ve got is there might be 150 differences in a field, for argument’s sake. Which one is a body and which one is a natural glitch in the geology?”

That’s the question that needs to be answered before a decision can be made to move from non-invasive to starting to dig and physically searching.

“We don’t to it lightly,” Knupfer said.

I can’t emphasise too much – there’s an enormous cost associated with having half a dozen excavators and the supporting staff and archeologists and geophysicists and dog handlers – there’s some serious money involved so we do not do it lightly, but if we’ve got fresh information or refined information that would merit further work we put that to the governments and say ‘you know we think this is worth doing’. As a rule they all accept our word for it.

Knupfer tends to bring in experts from Britain to support physical searches.

By law we are not allowed to do anything other than recover victims and forensically examine them – only for identification purposes and also, for safety’s sake, in case there’s a booby-trapped body, which has never been an issue but the legislation is there.

Can’t hand over evidence

The police “other than assisting us, certainly don’t get in the way, they support us”. Neither the gardaí nor the PSNI can use any evidence recovered by the commission, and it can’t be used in a court of law.

If, for argument’s sake, we recovered the body and there was ballistic evidence available within those remains they would never get access to that, we would destroy that, because the legislation says we can’t examine the recovered remains for forensic purposes – so they do not get access to anything.
That is the guarantee. That is why the republican movement and former paramilitaries are happy to engage. They know that nothing can come of it – not from our end of it anyway.

Knupfer first began to study forensic archeology techniques thirty years ago – taking a “quick crash course” in physical archeology in advance of the cold case investigation of the Moors Murders and speaking to experts in the US about how police could adapt what they had learned from traditional archeologists.

We got to know how best these things can be done, how we can adapt traditional archeological techniques that have been established over many, many years to find ancient remains and buildings into doing what we wanted to do.

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After the Moors Murders investigation, he worked with academics in the UK to “develop forensic archeology as a separate tool” – and worked as part of an advisory team to the police, while he was still in the force. He continued to campaign for the development of the discipline as he worked in a separate major crime role in the Home Office.

It is now very developed, there are many universities teaching forensic archeology, doing masters degrees in it and what have you. We’ve moved a long way from the 1980s to where we are today.

Knupfer, who’s technically a contractor for the ICLVR, used to do other consultancy work too – but aside from “the odd bit of lecturing here and there” now concentrates solely on his role searching for The Disappeared.

“I’d like to retire, really, if I can,” he said.

“If we can find these three it would be wonderful – it’s probably a big ask but we would love to go away knowing we had found everyone.

That’s our objective and that’s what we’re trying to achieve.

Anyone with information on The Disappeared can contact:

  • The ICLVR in complete confidence on 00800 555 85500
  • By writing to ICLVR, PO Box 10827, Dublin 2
  • Or via the website www.iclvr.ie.

Related: ‘The Disappeared’ detective hopeful of new search for Columba McVeigh next year >

Read: Murdered by the IRA, the body of this British Army Captain has been missing for 40 years >

Read: “No grave to tend, no place to grieve”: The remaining ‘Disappeared’ >

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    Mute Sandbag
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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:14 AM

    Alive is a mental rag altogether. The last time I read it the ‘agony aunt’ was telling a reader to ban their children from dressing up on Halloween as it was a pagan festival & they were risking their kids souls.

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    Mute Dave O Keeffe
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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:19 AM

    Lol as opposed to all the Christian holidays that are on the same day as Pagan festivals “by coincidence”

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    Mute Richard Cynical
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    Jun 5th 2015, 12:09 PM

    @sandbag Christmas=winter solstice Easter=summer solstice weddings ectopic are all pagen all adopted by Christians to make it easier for people to convert, it’s basically a copy of all the popular religion’s at the time they were conceived even the Bible is just a re write

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    Jun 5th 2015, 12:19 PM

    And it is a registered charity! These nutters get to put out their propaganda while enjoying tax free charitable status!

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    Jun 5th 2015, 12:20 PM

    @Richard Easter = Spring Equinox, not summer solstice.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 12:31 PM

    Also Easter was the Pagan celebration of female fertility, that’s how the eggs got involved.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 1:12 PM

    Halloween is evil! Now help me steal some artists’ works so we can let people know how wrong celebrating Halloween is.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 1:25 PM

    Thou shalt not steal !

    Some Christians that missed that one !

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    Jun 5th 2015, 2:47 PM

    This story is not remotely newsworthy. However it’s a classic clickbait article for the journal for readers to bash the church.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 5:32 PM

    Or praise it …

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    Jun 6th 2015, 1:16 PM

    Don,t forget IONA is also a charity !!!

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    Jun 9th 2015, 11:26 AM

    “nutters” is not a fair comment. I’m fairly sure that all contributors to the Alive paper are volunteers who are very sincere. You may not agree with them. Have you ever read it?

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:08 AM

    Being the child of parents with faith is also tough- that scramble on a Sunday evening to get mass and then leg it home in time for Where in the World and Glenroe was a real pain ion the hole.

    And as for Lent? No sweets and mass every day. Sure that’s no way for a young fella to live.

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    Mute J
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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:24 AM

    A real Catholic would’ve got mass at 11 not forgetting to put the roast in the oven before you went.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 1:29 PM

    The last time I was in mass one of my children was being confirmed and meself and another father spent the service discussing how the Bishop had moved at least two paedophiles around the diocese – not going back there with my children thank you very much !

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    Mute Liam is ainm dumb
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    Jun 5th 2015, 1:51 PM

    Yet you got your kids confirmed?

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    Mute Pepper Brooks
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    Jun 5th 2015, 2:42 PM

    You are a classic Irish hypocrite Hermes. Ya probably don’t even realise how ironic that comment sounded!

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    Jun 5th 2015, 5:35 PM

    The reason my child was confirmed was for the sole purpose of social inclusion – he knew what it was because I explained it to him !

    Had I known before I attended the mass that the bishop had done what he did then perhaps things may have been different !
    Now, may God bless ye all ……..

    How many of you know that the Catholic Church put salt in holy wells …………

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    Jun 5th 2015, 9:45 PM

    Classic Irish hypocrite lives a greedy life dosent care about anyone completely self centred probably has a family like in the pic breaks every religious rule on a daily basis and then goes too mass every Sunday and feels fine about it

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    Jun 6th 2015, 11:45 AM

    Indeed Choc. You are no more a christian for going to church than you are a car if you sit in a garage for an hour a week.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:08 AM

    Hold on I’ll just ask my children……no they say it was fine growing up without religious parents

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:16 AM

    This is the sort of nonsense religious propaganda that needs to be challenged. No one needs to be force fed religion as kids. They can find it themselves if they wish. Telling children they cant be happy without make believe is wrong and has caused generations of adults who have serious problems determining reality from myth and superstition and all the harm and exploitation that such societies give rise to.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:55 AM

    Work away Cyril, you challenge it….
    The downside is that you have to read it to do that.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 2:07 PM

    This is the crux of it (found at http://www.alive.ie/editors-jottings.html)

    “She seems to think we should stop telling children stories with happy endings. That kids need to realise that real life stories don’t end that way.

    It was inevitable that people who lost sight of God would eventually turn against fairy tale endings, in the name of “realism”. Being the child of parents with no faith and no ultimate hope is tough.

    However, the “realists” have got it wrong. Hope and happiness, not despair, are the realistic attitude to life.”

    This is preaching to the converted sort of stuff, there isn’t exactly much of an intellectual argument going on here.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 5:49 PM

    Its pushed trough my door every now and then. I have never known a paper to spew such hate as Alive it should be banned. And the little sh.ts leave my gate open every time.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:15 AM

    “Being the child of parents with no faith is tough enough” typical nonsense as if going to Mass and saying a few prayers suddenly sorts all your problems in life and magically makes you a better family. I hope that artist takes them to the cleaners for including her work in that pile of condescending tripe.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:20 AM

    I would have been a happier child if I was allowed to watch cartoons on a Sunday morning. I remember I used to pretend I was sick, pretend I was still in a very deep sleep, lose my shoes, all sorts to avoid mass

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:12 AM

    I love the problem page in that rag!! Great for cleaning the windows

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:06 AM

    looks like my gaf last night.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:21 AM

    Is this only available in Dublin?I’ve never heard of it. If it’s free around cork I might grab a copy and use it to put over my bathroom sink while I’m shaving.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:44 AM

    It’s made in the Priory in Tallaght. You could nearly sell it as a satire newspaper it’s that ridiculous. Not a single mention of the Referendum in it either.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 12:14 PM

    Thanks Rob, I can only imagine the shite that’s in it.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 4:39 PM

    Somehow a mate of mine in Killaloe gets it delivered through his door, he has no idea how he was deemed worthy enough to receive it. Seems to be fairly selective.

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    Jun 9th 2015, 11:32 AM

    Very funny. NOT

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    Jun 9th 2015, 11:32 AM

    If you haven’t read it and cant write something constructive then why bother.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:31 AM

    If god was so poxy powerful why doesn’t he just talk to everyone and not just a selected few in costumes? Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetards.. Here, have some more money..

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:07 AM

    Anybody want to ask Leo for an explanation why a 102 year old lady was left on a trolley in Tallaght for 26 hours?

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:09 AM

    Ok, but where is he? If you know you could just ask him yourself.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:10 AM

    Maybe ask the staff at the hospital, they were present!

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    Jun 5th 2015, 12:31 PM

    Surely this is a picture of a typical catholic family. Loads of kids and a downtrodden mother .

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:34 AM

    “Oh lord as you seen fit to create copyright infringement, we pray that you will send your only begotten legal representative whom deals mainly in copyright law. Also if you could smite some of these uppity gays, that would be peachy. Eamon!”

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:39 AM

    “Alive!” is the epitome of a misnomer!

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    Jun 5th 2015, 2:39 PM

    i contacted Alive about this disgusting article, here’s our correspondence:

    Dear Brian,

    Your assertion below continues the condescension and offensiveness. My children have much more hope than those betrayed by your church and its hiding of paedophiles, Magdalene Laundries etc. My mother was deeply Catholic and she ended her days feeling betrayed by the church in which she had put her trust.

    We will never agree on the question of whose beliefs are right but the complete lack of compassion for and disdain of those who hold alternative views or lifestyles, as exemplified by the Catholic Church’s behaviour during and after the recent marriage referendum and its campaigning against women being allowed to terminate pregnancies when their lives are at risk, when they have been raped etc, are major reasons that “the faithful” are bolting for the church doors, never to return.

    Please ensure that your publication is not delivered to my house again.

    Yours sincerely.

    Andrew

    From: Editor, AlivePaper [mailto:alivepaper@hotmail.com]
    Sent: 03 June 2015 17:05
    To: Andrew Fitzpatrick
    Subject: RE:

    Dear Andrew,
    You may have raised your 3 children as happy and healthy atheists, but you still left them with no ultimate hope. Why is it condescending or offensive to point that out?
    Sincerely,
    Brian
    Fr Brian McKevitt OP (Editor)
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    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyyYvDb6H8yUFOEnTgyUyoA
    > From: andrew@monsterentertainment.tv
    > To: alivepaper@hotmail.com
    > Subject: FW:
    > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 09:04:03 +0100
    >
    > Dear Sirs,
    >
    > The attached came through my letterbox this morning. As a proud and loving
    > father who has raised 3 happy and healthy children as atheists, I find your
    > headline deeply condescending and offensive. Please desist from delivering
    > any more of this rubbish to my door.
    >
    > Yours sincerely,
    >
    > Andrew Fitzpatrick

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    Jun 5th 2015, 5:36 PM

    Without hope …what a tosser !

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    Jun 9th 2015, 11:40 AM

    I don’t think the faithful are “bolting for the church doors”. Many have used the excuse of the scandals within the church to leave but if someone is a believer they surely wouldn’t leave because of the few priests/bishops that made serious mistakes.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:30 AM

    So sue for breach of copyright.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:41 AM

    The story is about copyright infringement yet somehow the artist does not want to focus alone on this but on her own beliefs as well. The comment section also doesn’t want to stick to the actual content of the article ( it being about copyright infringement ) but seems to be full of comments of religion bashing instead. If someone used one of my images without permission even on something I do or do not agree with I would just focus on them having the image removed but I wouldn’t go as far as to state how much I agree or disagree with their company or religious/irreligious ethos because it has absolutely nothing to do with copyright infringement.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:44 AM

    Also as for photography, copyright infringement in Irish newspapers of photographers pics happens almost daily but it never makes headlines. Yet somehow the journal makes this case a headline. I’m confused.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:46 AM

    My comment was about the article on page 7 of this “newspaper” and the falsehood it states

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    Mute Rob Cahill
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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:50 AM

    The problem is the Church is dying yet it still tries to wield the mighty axe it once had. Pathetic really.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:55 AM

    “Thou shall not steal”

    I don’t know about other Irish newspapers and their commandments ?

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    Mute Munster2014
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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:55 AM

    Stephen – The artist herself has said she does not subscribe to religion, so I can fully understand her anger over some fundamentalist lunatic magazine using her artwork without permission. The views contained in that rag are completely at odds with her own so she has every right to be p1ssed off and comment on it.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 12:00 PM

    Look how much happier all the ISIS people are compared to atheists

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    Jun 5th 2015, 12:04 PM

    I’ve had my own pics used in places and mags that have questionable content to what I believe but I simply invoice them or ask them to remove the picture no big deal at all. I don’t feel the need to take to social media because I have an anti religious axe to grind and it sounds like both the journal and the artist do because the journal know right well that Irish media are forever stealing photographers pics off their Facebook pages and putting them in their papers but these never make headlines but when it’s something to do with the Catholic Church or Christianity in general……they gather around it like moths to a lightbulb.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 12:21 PM

    Actually Stephen, the last photography copyright issue presented in the Journal was regarding the use of a couple and their child by Mothers and Fathers Matter in the recent referendum. I’m not aware of any anti-Catholic/Christian bias by the journal in the past with regard to copyright issues. Can you provide some examples, please?

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    Jun 5th 2015, 12:27 PM

    Actually George you’re wrong, the mothers and fathers matter couple and child used in the election posters that went up around the city was a shutter stock image and they had every right to use the image but then this couple felt the need to come out and grind their axe about their image being used for something they disagreed with. Childish and ridiculous journalism.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 12:32 PM

    And to my original question, Stephen? Other examples of anti-Catholic bias in regard to copyright issues?

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    Mute Dave O Keeffe
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    Jun 5th 2015, 12:36 PM

    If your face is being used to sell an idea that you think is fundamentally wrong then you have more to lose by staying quiet. People that recognise you will assume all permissions were given and that you support the idea.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 1:13 PM

    “I’m confused “. U sure r stephen but it’s the best comment u have ever posted on the journal but maybe admitting your confused is the first step

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    Mute Ron North
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    Jun 5th 2015, 1:30 PM

    The artist is perfectly entitled to share her views regarding the content of the publication, her images aren’t stock images that anyone can use and it’s just a matter of paying for the copyright.
    If you want to use them you have to ask the artist for permission, if they had they wouldn’t have got it. She is entitled to point this out and the journal are entitled to report on it.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 1:54 PM

    Stephen – You seem to be quite religious so let me ask you this. You create a drawing (let’s say for this example of jesus). This image is then misappropriated (without any prior consent from you) and used by a satirical publication in an article which mocks your faith mercilessly. Are you going to be ok just to “invoice them” about that or will you voice your discontent about the content and what your image is attached to, in this case an article espousing views that are completely against what you stand for?

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    Jun 5th 2015, 2:06 PM

    “something they disagreed with”

    Homophobic bigotry is a much better fit.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:37 AM

    Good publicity ,for the artist she should say a decade of the rosary in thanks.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 3:22 PM

    The only good thing about Alive is that it allows you to see what some of the more notable Catholic fundamentalists really think, for example, in one of David Quinn’s articles he advocated using the church’s control of schools to censor history books and give a more rose tinted picture of the church.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:39 AM

    No word about the 101 year old left on a trolley for 24 hrs?
    At least Leo got his interview with Miriam out. And his referendum passed.
    And portlaoise? No sackings.
    Good lad Leo you should be gay and proud.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:59 AM

    you must think Leo is God if you expect him to be in all hospitals at all times. Pretty sure he had no say in the “decision” to leave the woman on the trolley.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 11:09 AM

    Crime of the century here.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 5:37 PM

    I had a teacher in my secondary school (and not a religon teacher), hand that “newspaper” out to us every day. And she was a nutter too. I did always think the horoscopes were a laugh “It’s the Son not the stars that runs your life”.

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    Jun 5th 2015, 1:25 PM
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    Jun 6th 2015, 12:55 PM

    This is the same newspaper that described left handed people as “brain-damaged.” My mam read that in work and she got very annoyed (she’s left handed)

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    Jun 5th 2015, 8:43 PM

    The people of Ireland should read 2 Chronicles 7 verse 14.!

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