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THIS COUNTRY IS suffering from paralysis by analysis. The only people who stand to gain are lawyers. They’re the guys who keep the meters running every time you hear the words Tribunal, public inquiry or court case.
The latest planned probe into the banking crisis will produce nothing more than further fractious exchanges between Fianna Fail, which is blamed for the crisis and Fine Gael/Labour, which claim to have partially sorted out the mess. We are set for a wave of self-regarding rhetoric and posturing from a new elite, drawn from a younger generation within the same parties.
The bureaucrats who were responsible for economic management and the regulation of banking from 2000 to 2010 have almost all retired, as have the key political figures. Almost all the major bankers have moved on too.
Either way these people cannot be made accountable in any meaningful way by a parliamentary inquiry. Those who are being pursued separately by An Garda Siochána, Revenue, the ODCE, the DPP and others will almost certainly refuse to appear before the new inquiry. They will argue correctly that they do not want to prejudice their own legal rights by making themselves amenable to an Oireachtas probe which is as open-ended as any tribunal in Dublin Castle.
Battle fatigue
As a country, we are all probed out.
The State has already commissioned four investigations into the banking crisis alone:
The authors of these reports had much in common. They were largely academics and senior public servants. They were not business people or even bankers.
Honohan has been Central Bank governor since 2009, is a former economic adviser to a FG Taoiseach (Dr FitzGerald) and a former TCD professor. Regling was a German and EU public servant, Watson an academic. Wright served at a high level in Canadian politics. Nyberg served as a Finnish civil servant and central banker.
Each of their reports contained information of value. But each was unable to answer the key questions:
(a) was the conversion of private loss/risk into public loss/risk a correct strategy and could the net cost to the state have been reduced by forcing the banks to deal with the mess they created themselves?;
(b) to what extent were the EU and the ECB responsible for the credit bubble and asset price bubble in Ireland and should they carry some or all of the cost?;
(c) how were the critical decisions – especially the 2008 blanket guarantee of the debts of certain licensed banks and the 2010 multi-year contract with the Troika – taken? Were the people consulted about these decisions and whose interests were served by them?
Unconscionable delay, absence of records
These events began 14 years ago when a ludicrous credit explosion was permitted by the Finance Minister, the Regulator and the Central Bank. This permitted credit growth of up to 30% a year.
By the time this new probe is over the question of the guarantee (or ELG as it is known) will be of historic interest only, having been phased out at the request of the banks because it was so expensive. The key Irish negotiator of the bailout of 2010, Mr Brian Lenihan, is sadly deceased.
It is not clear whether the ECB, the EU, and the IMF will co-operate with the inquiry. If their recollection of the bailout negotiation process is different from that of our own Department of Finance will that help the Irish cause in the future?
Very limited written records of important meetings appear to have been kept by some of our senior public servants. This seems bizarre given their normal addiction to record keeping. At least one of the public servants – the former regulator Pat Neary – is also suffering from severe memory loss.
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Labour's Ciaran Lynch will chair the new banking inquiry. But how easy will he find it to get those on the money trail into the hotseat? Eamonn Farrell / Photocall Ireland archive
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Light touch, soft touch
Central banks generally never admit that they have made errors. There is no reason to believe that the Central Bank of Ireland will adopt a different approach.
Recent statements from the likes of Barroso and van Rompuy suggest the ECB will take a similar attitude. They think Ireland threatened to destabilise Europe. We think that they bled us white.
There may be no meeting of minds between the CBI and the ECB on key issues. Especially if the central bankers are asked how they dealt with each other during crucial exchanges.
Ireland was promised a deal in June 2012 – but we are still waiting. Central Banks don’t write off debt very often and much of Ireland’s sovereign debt is now to the ECB, EFSF and allied bodies.
In the Greek ‘debt exchange’ of 2012 the ECB was the only party not to take a haircut on its debt. Private banks got burned for 54% of their exposure. The ECB did give practical assistance by putting up a modest amount of new cash to sweeten the deal for creditor banks with an up-front cash payment.
Ireland opted for what’s called light touch regulation because it wanted to expand the economy rapidly and to develop the IFSC. At that time the light touch was all the rage, having started in the Clinton era in the US. It, together with off-balance sheet lending instruments, allowed banks to develop on an unimagined scale.
Now the idea of light-touch regulation seems discredited. Yet there is no reason to believe that we will fundamentally alter this approach in the future, though we will operate a tighter ship. We are running a small peripheral economy, after all, and we need customers to come into the shop.
In terms of day to day monitoring of banks, Patrick Honohan may believe that all is changed utterly and for the better. Try telling that to the shareholders of Royal & Sun Alliance who recently coughed up stg£250m in new capital largely because RSA mispriced risk in Ireland.
Think about Rusnak, about the ICI and the PMPA. We hopefully may never see another Lehman Bros collapse again or another 2010 bailout but problems remain with supervision.
A future with banks
What counts for most Irish people is the future, not the past. For most of us these reports are just a form of financial taxidermy.
People may loathe banks because of the austerity of the past five years. But Ireland needs functioning banks. That is banks and bankers that lend new money against well assessed levels of risk and charge appropriate fees and rates of interest, that permit business to make a profit.
Arguably the country had succeeded in developing just such a cadre of skilled bankers and banks by the year 2000. Big projects could be financed at competitive cost, decisions could be made quickly, the Irish economy was catching up, making up for lost ground arising from its troubled history.
The period of exponential credit growth from 2004 to 2006 killed that achievement. The Icarus Syndrome prevailed not just among bankers but among borrowers and politicians too.
Today a lot of the banks that fuelled the lending boom are not there anymore. ICC, ACC were sold by the state. Bank of Scotland Ireland is gone. Danske is running off its book. Anglo, INBS wiped out. Ulster Bank is posssibly for sale.
Bank of Ireland is fighting hard for a good future but if there isn’t a rapid turnaround at AIB and Irish Permanent soon they will become permanently dysfunctional entities, operating like arms of the public service. These are banks, after all, not debt collection agencies.
The effort we spend probing the banking climate in 2006-2008 might be better spent identifying a way forward for banking in Ireland. The capital markets, for the moment, are awash with cash, as those who have sold Irish property in recent times have discovered.
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Thank for such a brilliant piece our son has Asperger’s syndrome and while he copes very well it does lead to difficulties and particularly in the secondary education system which appears to just want pigeon whole people instead of embracing difference
There are definetly many challenges for people with AS in Secondary School, I can say that from experience as I am preparing for the Leaving Cert!
Would love if you checked out some of the pieces on AspergersAdvice.org about Second Level and Exams and also if you considered interacting with us on the site.
As i have a sibling with autism, I am speaking from experience. It is quite hard to list issues associated with autism. To explain them is a whole other kettle of fish! I understand where you are coming from though, there are plenty of Irish websites that are very resourceful and have been very helpful to me and my brothers :)
As commented before, I have Aspergers. Right now, I couldn’t be getting more support if I tried. Understanding management, understanding colleagues and medical support. Doing really well.
But we need to talk about it, and make it normal. Then we will begin to have a fair society. Until then, nothing to do but keep plugging away at it.
Delighted to hear you are getting such positive support.
I could not agree more regarding the need for us to discuss the condition more, that is what we are trying to achieve with AspergersAdvice.org (and are currently preparing for a big redesign project to help us do this).
Would love if you checked our site out and considered contributing.
My daughter has autism. When she is distressed we try and calm her by using sounds and colours that are soothing to us. It doesn’t work all the time because we forget she sees the world different and probably hears it differently as well. I think we need to start to try different things for children with autism because the current system, while it means well, isn’t working.
I think a big problem is that the system often tries to impose a one size fits all approach instead of recognising everyone is different! In fact I think that is a problem in how the condition is perceived as a whole, not alone in regards services etc. but even in regards how people understand and treat those with the condition, people generally mean well but that doesn’t mean they get it or the fact that each person on the spectrum is totally different!
We have some interesting articles on AspergersAdvice.org from people trying to innovate and find news ways to support people on the spectrum – they are well worth a look, would also love to see you getting involved with us through the site which is currently preparing to redesign and expand, catering for the whole autistic spectrum.
I’m already a member of Laois/Offaly families for Autism(LOFFA) but I would like to be involved someway. We are only going to reach a solution by everyone contributing. I was at the National Concert Hall today and you could see that each child was somehow different. Maybe we need to change to fit their requirements rather than the other way round.
You guys are a constant source of inspiration for so many people (myself included) through both AspergersAdvice.org & your own AutisticandProud.wordprss.com
Great article , well done. Some great comments . One thing I don’t understand here are the red thumbs on some of the comments . I have a 5 year old son with autism , and he is very funny , so affectionate , into mischief , but on some levels he miles ahead of his peers when it comes figures, reading and especially electronic devices. He loves making movies and narrating them in his own language . His talk has developed a lot in the last year. But then he has no sense of danger what so ever, oh and he thinks he is the boss in the house. What a gift of a son we got !!
Forgot to mention we have been very fortunate, we have an Assistance Dog from IGDB. A super dog. Unbelievable the difference it has made for the whole family. The dog is also helping with awareness to danger. Just amazing to be honest.
Yeah – I think there are real problems regards people understanding how broad the Autistic Specturm really is. In fact I think people often even struggle to understand the vast array of disabilities out there, umbrella terms such as “Special Needs” are all too often used to bunch huge groups of people, with totally different needs together.
There is an awareness about autism within wider society. Where issues arise is the lack of services for children and their families. Often the diagnosis needs more testing out but services in to the future are lacking and piecemeal. But Autism faces many challenges, the fact that DSM has reviewed Autism and Asperger’s Syndrome under the one category, once again shows us the fragility of how we assess and support a person with social and communication difficulties.
I am amazed, like the UK, we need an Autism Act. This move to regulate the person through a specific act, if anything dehumanizes the person.
What we face is a wider societal issue such as care and how we develop provisions for the person with disabilities. The lack of equal citizenship persons with a disability has in areas such as education, mental health and adult social care; which all persons with an intellectual, sensory or physical disability can be supported to be active citizens.
I agree lack of services and indeed poor distribution of services is a big problem. DSM V will also pose big challenges and in truth it could be many years before we can clearly see its impact and how it has affected diagnosis, perception and support of people with Autism or Aspergers Syndrome in Ireland.
My own views, as a person with Asperger’s, is that their is an awareness but all too often not a real understanding of the condition and its complexity among wider society and I think that ties in with some of the societal issues you raise.
We have articles on many of the topics you raised over on AspergersAdvice.org – worth checking them out!
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