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Opinion E-Cigarettes – is ‘vaping’ in front of our children socially acceptable?

Yes, you’ve done fantastically well to ween yourself down from a Grade 1 carcinogen to the equivalent of weed killer. But that doesn’t make it OK vape in front of my three-year-old.

THEY SAY THAT there is no smoke without fire. And what e-cigarettes may lack in tobacco, they more than make up for in the explosive debate they ignite between those who see them as a welcome alternative to cigarettes, and those who view them as their sinister younger sister.

I caught my three year old ‘smoking’ a pipe cleaner the other day. I say ‘caught’, as opposed to ‘noticed’, because there was something about that image that made me feel as if she was doing something very, very wrong. Had she had her little finger firmly wedged up her nostril, I would have had a far less irrational reaction.

I handled it exactly the way you shouldn’t. Ran over, grabbed it off her and shouted, ‘What are you doing?!’. The poor child simply replied that she didn’t know. Because, God love her, she didn’t. All she was doing was mimicking what she has seen out and about socially of late. Vaping has just kind of snuck up upon us without me really noticing. Because smoking e-cigarettes around children now appears to be considered socially acceptable. And I genuinely can’t work out if my deep discomfort around this backwards shift is irrational or not. At least not enough to ask those around me to stop.

When the little white sticks get nonchalantly whipped out in front of my kids, I feel a surge of visceral loathing that makes me want to frogmarch the kids out of the room, even though I know that’s an overreaction. And I can’t quite put my finger on why. There’s no second hand smoke to worry about, so why am I going so ape around the vape?

A poisonous merry-go-round

I am an ex-smoker. And it is absolutely true what they say, there is nothing worse than an ex-smoker. We are undoubtedly the most intolerant breed of non-smokers out there, probably because we understand all too well the harm cigarettes do, and how hard a habit they are to kick. For 15 years I loved smokes and loathed them in equal measure. I had my last cigarette on 2 September 2010, the day I found out I was pregnant, and yes, I have regularly missed them since, and would, to this day, love to experience just one more glorious hit from that first drag again.

But I don’t. Because one was never enough. And I spent too many years in a vicious cycle of kicking the habit only to get reeled back in again whenever I let my guard down. And I don’t want my kids anywhere near that poisonous merry-go-round, without or without tobacco on board, even if that means that we have to be antisocial in the process.

Kids are pretty straightforward. They mimic the habits they see in adults. It is literally a case of ‘monkey see, monkey do’. And I don’t want my daughter to grow up thinking that smoking of any kind is cool. Is adult. Is what people ‘do’. Vaping shouldn’t be like a cup of tea or a biscuit. Because it’s not. It’s inhaling a substance that was originally used as a pesticide. Even if nicotine alone is not as bad as tobacco, that does not make it good. Being the lesser evil compared to a drug that’s responsible for five million deaths worldwide annually is not exactly what you’d call a ringing endorsement.

An abrupt reality check

I vividly remember my own first smoke. 1994. I was sixteen. A late starter. And by God, did I think I was cool. I went away a child on a German exchange. And came back a ‘smoker’. Smoking made me adult, sophisticated, worldly. Until about 15 years later, when what I was coughing up was the furthest thing from glamorous, and my Sunday mornings were spent in a pit of self disgust as I discovered I’d gorged my way through yet another pack the night before.

I am also old enough to remember ten years later in March 2004. That was the first time I had to leave a pub and stand outside, in the rain, beside another abandoned mongrel, in order to get my ‘fix’. Getting goose bumps and damp hair no longer felt glamorous nor cool, and I had an abrupt reality check that continuing as a smoker was going to leave me very much out in the cold.

The smoking ban, considered so potentially divisive at the time, turned out not to be such a big deal after all. Because beneath all the hype and the rhetoric, fundamentally most people agreed with it, even if they were reluctant to admit it. We gradually evolved to a space where even if you were to invite a smoker to smoke inside your own home, as a courtesy, they generally wouldn’t. We had made a quantum leap forward. And then, in 2014, I find my three year old ‘smoking’ on the couch and I wonder where all that progress has gone.

‘Do you mind?’

When people occasionally ask ‘Do you mind?’, it is universally followed by the mantra ‘They’ve nothing in them, you know? Just fresh air’. I want to roar back at them ‘But that’s not the point!’. Yes, you’ve done fantastically well to ween yourself down from a Grade 1 carcinogen to the equivalent of weed killer. But that doesn’t make it OK to whip out ‘the crutch’ in front of my three-year-old. Who five minutes later will assimilate that habit into her own tea party routine, with unforeseen consequences into the future.

Because it’s not what’s in them that I have the difficulty with. It’s what they signify. Because if my daughter grows up thinking that those little white sticks are the norm, what’s to stop her wanting to try out the real thing? Adults may appreciate the risks and choose e-cigarettes over their cancer creating counterparts, but adolescents won’t. And the vicious cycle starts all over again.

Claire Micks is the mother of a (reasonably behaved) three-year-old girl and an (entirely spoiled) 15-month-old boy. She survives by day and writes by night. Croaks rather than tweets, but despite that somehow manages to get her ramblings published on occasion.

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    Mute Sean Oige
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    May 21st 2020, 10:36 AM

    “no commercial reason”. However, can be used for policing under existing regs? Why would you sign up to that?

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    May 21st 2020, 10:56 AM

    @Sean Oige: they have all your data anyway

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    Mute Hank Schrader
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    May 21st 2020, 12:50 PM

    @Sean Oige: because it might save lives and help prevent a 2nd lockdown.. and help the country get back on track

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    Mute Fionn Darland
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    May 21st 2020, 1:24 PM

    @Sean Oige: You are against an App that has the potential to save many lives? … Even your own family’s lives? Sad that some are soo mé féin. Don’t worry, the rest of society will sort the problem without your help.

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    Mute MyBrokenKnees
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    May 21st 2020, 4:45 PM

    @Sean Oige: Ye you are posting on Journal from a Facebook account that sells everything about you from the ip addresses you use when you log in to whatever titbit about your life you have on that account.

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    Mute Ed
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    May 21st 2020, 10:38 AM

    The crisis will never disappear when governments have an app like this.

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    Mute Feardorcha Ó Maolomhnaigh
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    May 21st 2020, 10:47 AM

    @Ed:
    You do realise that if you have an iPhone or Android phone and/or a gmail account on either, that Google and Apple know what you had for breakfast.

    @Sean Oige
    You give all your details to Apple and Google to allow them to monetise you. Yet you wont give details to the HSE to prevent the spread of a virus to you, your friends and family. All because you think it “can be used for policing”. That really doesn’t reflect well on you as an individual.

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    Mute Ed
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    May 21st 2020, 10:52 AM

    @Feardorcha Ó Maolomhnaigh: Yes of course I know that. They don’t share that information with governments do they?

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    May 21st 2020, 10:59 AM

    @Ed: Oh my God lol. Hope your phone is a Huawei for the craic

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    May 21st 2020, 11:06 AM

    @Ed: Lol… Why do you think the USA worrying so much about Huawei..? These American owned platforms and devices have backdoors to the US government while Huawei’s doesn’t.

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    May 21st 2020, 11:25 AM

    @Ed: apparently with the Apple and google system the data stays on your phone rather than with the U.K. version the info goes to the government or NHS. With the Apple/google system you can delete the data yourself, I’m a beta tester with Apple and the API has been installed on my phone for a month now.

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    Mute Tom Harpur Photography
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    May 21st 2020, 11:29 AM

    @Feardorcha Ó Maolomhnaigh: everything you do on the internet in monitored even your comment they know who you are where you are what you had for breakfast unless your in a faraday cage when you walk outside your on CCTV when you drive around your monitored via CCTV and your phone. There is no escaping it unless your a troglodyte or Luddite.

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    Mute Peter McKenna
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    May 21st 2020, 11:29 AM

    @Seriousnojoke: If the US government had a backdoor into Apple devices, why would the FBI continually need to get court orders in an attempt to compel Apple to unlock phones of various criminals?

    Apple themselves cannot unlock these phones, never mind providing access to third parties.

    Huwaei are just an extension of the Chinese government and back doors are continually being found in their equipment, which effectively provides access to anyone who wants it.

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    May 21st 2020, 11:47 AM

    @Tom Harpur Photography: Aye, it’s addressed in their FAQ, 7. Where is the data stored and who has access to it? “If a user decides to participate, exposure notification data will be stored and processed on device. Other than the random Bluetooth identifiers that are broadcast, no data will be shared by the system with public health authority apps unless one of the following two scenarios takes place:
    - If a user chooses to report a positive diagnosis of COVID-19 to their contact tracing app, the user’s most recent keys to their Bluetooth beacons will be added to the positive diagnosis list shared by the public health authority so that other users who came in contact with those beacons can be alerted.
    - If a user is notified through their app that they have come into contact with an individual who is positive for COVID-19 then the system will share the day the contact occurred, how long it lasted and the Bluetooth signal strength of that contact. Any other information about the contact will not be shared.
    In keeping with our privacy guidelines, Apple and Google will not receive identifying information about the user, location data, or information about any other devices the user has been in proximity of.”

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    May 21st 2020, 11:56 AM

    @TESSERACT2020: It’s not. Sorry to ruin your fun.

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    May 21st 2020, 12:01 PM

    @Ed: they share that data with pretty much everyone

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    May 21st 2020, 12:20 PM

    @Peter McKenna: Wrong.

    Platforms like Google, FB, etc. are without a doubt cooperating with the US government.

    Device makers like Apple are compliant with in-country data privacy regulations if the country they operate in has such regulations. Therefore what they do in the US is different from in EU. Tim Cook himself admitted in an interview that Chinese government has never asked Apple for backdoors, “but US did”.

    Huawei is similar in that they’re compliant with laws of different countries. How they do in EU is different from in China, and no evidence suggests their operations or products in EU or other countries have backdoors to Chinese government except in Trump’s LYING playbook.

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    May 21st 2020, 10:58 AM

    The lack of understanding on here about how this app will work is astounding. There should be zero privacy concerns.

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    May 21st 2020, 11:07 AM

    @beebop: Ignorance is rife.
    You’ll have plenty of people take their advise for this from random Facebook or Reddit posts. That’s how they work, unfortunately.

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    May 21st 2020, 12:55 PM

    @beebop: its so funny. People just give away their private information everyday. Evil Company: “Would you like a free mars bar?” Average Joe: “Sure! Here’s all my my private data!. Need anything else?” Government: “we want to help you not die!” Average Joe: “nice try government but we’re on to you”. The irony is ripe with this one

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    May 21st 2020, 10:49 AM

    No thanks, not for me. Best of luck with it though

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    May 21st 2020, 10:58 AM

    The tin foil hats must be spinning like roulette wheels.

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    May 21st 2020, 11:47 AM

    @Stan Kowalskis: the sponge heads like yourself must be soaking.

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    May 21st 2020, 1:08 PM

    @Stan Kowalskis: its possible the tin foil brigade could be right this time

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    May 21st 2020, 3:18 PM

    @Sean Salmon: Have noticed they have got lots of things right lately?

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    May 21st 2020, 10:48 AM

    Big brother 2.0

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    May 21st 2020, 10:45 AM

    Big brother by the Tech Giants – what can go wrong !

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    May 21st 2020, 11:03 AM

    Roll it out now, we need this. Apps like this have been successfully used in Asia for months now so I just can’t understand why its taking so long.

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    May 21st 2020, 11:26 AM

    @Tony Stanley: paranoia. That’s why.

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    May 21st 2020, 11:04 AM

    Surprising how quickly Google were able to manage this

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    May 21st 2020, 11:09 AM

    @Patrick Kennedy: When you have over 114,000 employees, an army of freelancers and a ton of cash to hand, things can happen rather quickly.

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    May 21st 2020, 12:04 PM

    Every single person in this country or at least 90 percent have a tracking device that listens, tracks and so forth you’re every move. Not an app for me but apps like this would be much better used for tracking paedophiles, criminals on bail and so forth.
    Technology has its pros and cons like everything, when used correctly its great but used incorrectly its a breach of human rights, just ask Julian Assange.

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    May 21st 2020, 12:07 PM

    I heard quarantine is mandatory if you go to korea and it gets enforced very strictly via mobile phone app and people checkin in in you

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    May 21st 2020, 10:40 AM

    In theory we would allow the ‘name and shame’ App how do we make sure that everyone who is affected is signing up and would they be whitelisted once they have recovered?

    A little scary but someone while for sure jump in to for advertisement.
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    May 21st 2020, 10:44 AM

    @8-Bit-Relic: Dismiss the last sentence. It was butchered by auto-correct

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    May 22nd 2020, 6:58 AM

    @8-Bit-Relic: they should be named and shamed ,if they still carry the virus knowingly and not self isolate.

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    May 21st 2020, 1:14 PM

    There isn’t a hope in hell would I allow an Irish civil servant have access to my data like that. We have already seen the HSE flout the law by notifying employers before the unfortunate victims.
    I would trust Google first. Mind if you Google images of Contact tracing Ireland you will see army guys sitting at a table with pen and paper like Fred Flintstone.

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    May 21st 2020, 2:24 PM

    @Dnom: Dunno how you “imagine” it works, maybe try read up on it? https://www.google.com/covid19/exposurenotifications/

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    May 21st 2020, 2:32 PM

    @Thomas McGuire: It says that you can be opt out…

    Wouldn’t it render the App less useful?

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    May 21st 2020, 6:39 PM

    @8-Bit-Relic: Course, though that your initial position.

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    May 22nd 2020, 6:53 AM

    @8-Bit-Relic: once you give your close contacts after you test positive, you can delete app or turn off your Bluetooth, information is stored locally on your phone

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    May 21st 2020, 9:07 PM

    Something sick about this. Its not here for Covid, its here to stay. If you will have it.
    Either the world is mad or I am. But there’s to many of I ams.
    All in all, the waters are being tested for what you are willing to accept.

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    May 22nd 2020, 6:51 AM

    @Jerry Siakasiya: you can delete app or turn off bluetooth at any time, the information will stay on your phone and you give HSE details of close contacts if you test positive . People tag themselves with locations, join guest wifi , take selfies

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    May 22nd 2020, 5:17 AM

    Can you imaging what Gemma (OD) will have to say about this!! Christ her tiny little mind will explode lol… all her followers will have s field day.

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