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Updated 2.30pm
USERS ARE REPORTING issues with using Revenue’s online service for paying the property tax as the deadline for filing your paper return via post falls today.
Despite the online deadline not falling until 28 May, users say they are being told that the website is busy today and this screengrab confirms the site was down for a period this afternoon:
A spokesperson for Revenue said the site would be “back up soon” in response to a query a short time ago and the site appears to have returned in the last few minutes.
In a statement, the spokesperson said: “This issue was caused by scheduled system maintenance that took longer to implement than envisaged. We were off the air for about 90 minutes.”
One user who contacted TheJournal.ie said the site kept crashing when they used it this morning and said they were told by Revenue that it was very busy.
“I then tried to pay over the phone [and the] payments section was busy,” they added.
Are you having problems completing your property tax return online today? Let us know in the comments.
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All we need to do is get the whole country to hit refresh every 30 seconds for the next 80 years and we should be able to avoid the tax. Winning!
The newly elected Italian government is widely expected to abolish the country’s property tax. It’s time the people here made similar choices: spending cuts or property tax.
I’m having trouble pay it, not because of technical difficulties but because I can’t fricking afford it.
By the way; do you have to pay it if you’re renting? How do you know whether or not your landlord has paid? I’m not paying, I’m just curious as to whether or not I’m breaking any laws.
not up to you to know if your landlord has paid. If you don’t own the house it’s not your problem, unless you are receiving the valuations in to the house in your name, in which case your supposed to rat out your landlord. Either way KCCO.
Attack the tax.
Is going to upset alot of people when they notice revenue taking the payments
Good, maybe they’ll get off their asses and do something about it rather than moaning and hoping somebody else will.
Revenue havent been given the green light to deduct from source yet, or deduct from tax credits, or what ever their thinking. In all probability they will get the go ahead at some point but to be honest from what I’m hearing it might be the least painful way for people to pay.
IT DOESN’T WORRY ME, IT WAS DOOMED FROM THE START!!!
Ease back on the cruise control there Sasha.
dont listen to the haters Sasha,
Bet the bondholders are having a right laugh ,watching all you lot queuing up to pay them
Paying double next yr ,along with water rates ,people must be mad signing up for this crap
don’t forget your next payment is the 1 off January ,so don’t go mad spending at xmas
Attackthetax.com
I became a shareholder and due to ongoing litigation over the legality of the property tax. I am an interested party and it is not appropriate for revenue to request a return to this illegal tax until the outcome of the litigation is known.
Couple of things,
property tax IS legal at present.
Attack the tax is challenging the household charge not property tax.
I imagine they can find at max 50k of fools to raise 100k for the legal fight (if it’s not simply a scam as I suspect it is)
It will be defeated, and you will have appeal after appeal, still lose.
NET OUTCOME = on the hook for the tax & fines & legal costs (50k people on the hook for multi millions)
But if your foolish enough to think this is a way around it, I suppose you deserve what’s coming your way.
Fake I’d for telling lies tut tut
Which of my points is incorrect?
Property tax is Not the current law
Attack the tax have filed a case … When is it set for?
If it goes all the way to the Europeans courts they will win ,a place were the Irish government have never won a case against them
Em think you’ll find most other European countries have property tax
Attackthetax.com
I’ve tried three times to register online and i can’t because it’s been down the three times i’ve tried.
Will the judge believe me?
I don’t think so……………
I don’t think you will be meeting a judge what offence have you committed not one person has been successfully prosecuted so far for house hold charge it’s all spin!!
I’ve tried to register also, but there seems to be a breakdown in communication between the electrical impulses in my brain and my ‘click’ finger ….
@Solbank, they don’t need a judge. They can attach an order on your house.
I tried on line on Friday on behalf of my mother in law. Had no luck so rang help line. told they were having technical issues . Bloke took my number and said they would call me back. I asked when, was told tomorrow. I said tomorrow is Saturday and its a bank holiday. He happily told me they would be in on overtime. I had a good laugh.
Still waiting for the call back…….
Attackthetax.com
I returned the form to Revenue with a sticker stating I am an interested party in litigation regarding the property tax.
So revenue could understand their dealing with an imbecile?
Rehabmeerkat, are you working for the government? you are spouting a lot of negative comments… what do you suggest, pay the tax???
I’m going with Attack The Tax for this one – they are a registered company and are taking a case against the state for unlawfulness in the manner in which the tax is being collected and on the grounds that the tax the way it has been stated is unjust and again unlawful. If Acorn to Oak goes does not succeed I’m 2 euro down and no more. A legal challenge has been mounted and has hit the courtroom – July 4th is the next date and any body has the right to litigate and question whether the tax is, in fact, unlawful. The net effect of this is that whilst anything has hit the courtroom, nothing has to be declared. I do not have to declare my intention to pay tax nor do I have to declare my interntion not to pay tax. Similarly, if I have not declared I cannot be liable for penalty.
Thanks for the great legal advice! I don’t know where to start!
I won’t bother completing my tax return for the year so. Will I be ok!!???
Registered company? I’m even more suspicious now… You do know that companies are set up purely to make profit?
@MaryLynch Have you never hear of A non profit organisations!!
not paying wont pay cannot afford to pay even if i had the money would not pay, i joined attack the tax and we are collectively taking the Govt to court. it an illegal tax on our homes.
How can it be illegal if it has passed though the houses of the Oireachtas and signed into law by the president? That makes it perfectly legal at present. Your objection to the law does not make it illegal I’m afraid.
Hedging your bets on some future legal action that will more than likely be unsuccessful is foolish.
Ha,
Just had a look at the sticker. Still not sure if it’s serious, or just brilliant satire.
A small bit of free legal advice, if your case involves the word “immoral” you’re going to lose.
As long as they get back onto me about the property they say I own, which I don’t, I don’t mind
They want you to rat someone out, that’s why so many kids and partners of homeowners got the letters.
I’ve not problem giving them the letting agents details :)
Not true, but good theory though and would be nice to think so. Kids have PPS Numbers and are assigned one the second the parents apply for Child Benefit. Every person born or working, or claiming benefits of some description in the State have a PPS number. All these people need addresses and that is the information the Revenue gets every time someone gets a job, applies for tax credits for their kiddies, and so on. The Revenue is sending out letters and forms as per PPS Number.
It is up to the individual who receives a property tax form and who is not the owner of the property to fill in the correct details and send it back to Revenue, otherwise the Revenue will just blithely deduct at source regardless.
More like the Revenue or the government hasnt a clue who owns what and are stabbing in the dark hoping to hit something. I wish them all the best deducting the tax from my 4 year olds income.
Anyway Margaret, interesting surname, any relation?
“the government hasnt a clue who owns what”
Hence the exercise last year to find out.
It is not up to any individual to pass on third party information
Sounds like an accidental DDOS, not completely uncommon for popular sites.
Ireland wouldn’t need a property tax if spending was reduced.
Accidental attack? Do explain…
Ireland dosnt need a property tax end of
just because another country does it dosnt make it right.
its only a way for governments to steal money out of hardworking taxpayers
property tax = theft nothing more nothing less theft
An excuse to extend the deadline?
this is only the postal deadline, there is an email deadline as well and another one I think. Clear and concise as usual for the knobs on Kildare St.
You have to apply, they are sending Application forms. It’s a voluntary tax loads of lies threats and spin. Anyone who applies will be liable for double next year and water charges. Anyone stupid enough to apply in spite of it clearly saying application registration form deserves what’s coming next. There is a legal challenge at attackthetax.com
I wouldn’t rely on that for a defence. Surely you can’t classify as an illegal tax until the outcome of any court case?
@Solbank: When is this alleged legal challenge going to be heard in Court? Before or after the May 28th deadline? Asking everyone for €2 to mount a non-existant legal challenge is nothing more than a Ponzi scheme.
Well said doesnotcompute … I suspect it’s a scam. No legal challenges have been filed against the property tax, and if they do and fail – guess who will be paying costs! And back taxes
A false name set up to agree with itself mmmmmm obvious liar
attackthetax has all traits of a scam- poorly written, badly presented and a ridiculous “legal” argument. €2 each from enough people will make someone a tidy profit.
JOIN ME AT attackattackthetax!!!!
Just €5 each and we can sue the people who ripped you off at attackthetax……
I’m with you Cliff, here’s my bank account details…..
loving the attackthetax site, amongst numerous gems:
“The reality is the Irish Government MUST call a
referendum to gain the consent of the People, if they
are to Legislate and pass a LAW where the People must
make a declaration stating they are so Liable.”
My advice, invest your €2 in a scratchcard.
“One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws” – (Martin Luther King)
People are free to make their own minds up … is this a just law, or an unjust law?
Ah well looks like they will have to deduct mine from source along with everyone else I know that refuses to give the dopes in government our details
If you own a house, claimed social welfare or pay income tax then Dave, and this may come as surprise to you, they have your details!
If it takes a bit of time for them to join the dots then you will pay extra for the privilege!
You and your friends being prepared to pay extra, the government will be delighted!
Yes I am aware that they have my details but I will not make it handy for them by signing up to what is robbery of a persons income, Anyone who thinks this is going go to local council for the up keep of the local area needs their head examined.
And the LPT form values my house at twice the price of it’s current value, Think about it you go in to a Pub and order a pint the barman brings back an empty pint glass you order another pint and he brings back another empty glass the LPT is the same you pay it and get f**k all.
Reg compared to other countries that do have a property tax they receive a service.
@Reg
If they already have our details why have so many people not received letters?
Friend who has not heard from Revenue emailed them asking what the story was. They replied, eventually, asking her for the reference number on the letter which they had sent her! Not the sharpest tools in the box!
Why is it that most of the people that are against this [quite legitimate] wealth tax claim to be socialists? I’m honestly confused as to their thought process.
Exactly. This must be the only country in the world where alleged Socialists are vehemently opposed to a tax on private property.
Its not a wealth tax. If it was they would be paying everyone in negative equity.
Anyone having any luck with the support email address they provided? I have emailed it 3 times (since April 24) and not even received a standard message that they received my email…never mind a resolution and when I phoned in on Friday I was transferred and then the call was dropped..
Go join Attack the Tax, I find it very amusing the The Journal is advising people NOT to entertain this movement, even though Both the journalist and their CEO where both advised and email a number of times but they completely ignored all my email’s!! So what interest is there in ignoring large movements of Irish people “there customers”.
That’s because they (revenue) have to Maintain the web site and will be down for about 30mins or so as said on radio earlier.
Maintence on the deadline day? Strange when 99.9% of web masters do it in the early hours of a wewkend morning
It’s not deadline day for online returns. Thats the 28th may.
Not when you work for the government. In that case you only work Mon – Fri, 9-5 not including lunch, morning coffee and afternoon tea breaks of course
@man they conveniently failed to mention that. @journal, I’m having problems paying it, because it’s going into a billionaire bankers pocket, report on that why don’t ya.
Did the great Michael D., sign it into law and all his BS in Europe?
Attackthetax.com have meeting all around Ireland to go through all the questions or doubts you have of their journey and their plan. I thought about it being a scam and went to a meeting.
My thoughts were, I am being scammed and bullied by the government already,so if attackthetax can help me for €2 then I will take that chance, at least I have a choice in the matter.
Those who are quick to critique, why not get up off you chair and detach your hands from the keyboard, get along to a meeting and inform yourselves. Then you have a choice or an option in this matter.
Our government has become a blatant bully and putting the blame constantly at Europe’s feet, I know I am not the only person who feels we are being treated as lesser beings which a lack of intellect.
We tell our children that they need to stand up to bullies, we should lead by example.
Joining attack the tax will not stop revenue taking the property tax from you.
If you do not file a return the revenue will take what they estimated your tax amount to be.
Even if you estimated your tax amount to be lower. They will also charge fees and charges if you do not pay. So you could end up paying alot more.
Following the High Courts rejection of his “challenge” to the Household Charge, [REDACTED] (aka Peter Anthony Keegan) has been given a date for his prosecution in Westport District Court.
Attack the Tax … Acorn to Oak Communications Plc. have written to ALL Shareholders (Present & FUTURE), the State, Revenue and all the County Councils to outline some of their Rights & Priveliges.
It makes for very interesting reading … go to the “Attack The Tax” site and to “Downloads” … it is the first download. it would make for a very interesting discussion here?
As far as we can tell Peter Anthony Keegan has been up in the District Court over 5 or 6 times, and to date the State/County Council have been unable to Prosecute him for “Non-Declaration” of the Household Charge (HHC Act ). Will be heading over to the case myself on the 4th. July to observe.
Apparently he knows the law … and the law does not allow for him to be prosecuted.
… as nowhere in the HHC Act is it prescribe that he has to sign or date a Declaration.
Therefore the Act has NO FORCE in law … it is allegedly unenforceable.
Robert … perhaps you should read the letter that Acorn to Oak Communications sent to ALL their present & FUTURE Shareholders … it seems to indicate something quite contrary to what you are asserting.
A question to readers as of September 2014 where has the Attack the tax website gone. I can’t get any answer regarding why its down over 2 months. Is there something shareholders should know. Please organizers let us know where you have gone. The answer I have received several times is it will be next week. What does next week mean in an Irish or legal context. We have been abandoned by our government and maybe now by attack the tax.com. Any response.
Wondering about this myself David. They have just vanished!
Bit of a misleading headline. While it is property tax deadline for paper postal votes it is not for online registrations. The headline makes it seem that overall deadline is today and affected by the website problems.
Just completed the LPT online .Simple …..like giving sweets to a baby !
@ Tim Duggan, it will be interesting to see how you feel when your home diminishes in market value and when the property tax rate goes up. Enjoy your self satisfaction for now. It won’t last.
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