We’ve had the stick, and now comes the carrot…

I hate this idea of coaxing our electorate into a possibly damaging future with the European Union by telling them … “If you pass this treaty like a good boy/girl, we’ll give you a lollipop!”. Really says a lot about the EU and Co. I hope the people of this republic are not as stupid as they are being made out to be by the government.

I just cannot read any more of the if’s, but’s and maybe’s……. Come back please and tell us when there is a firm decision on whether or not a referendum will take place. There should be a referendum in my opinion , let us the people decide .

He means he’s hoping there will be no need for a referendum.

Sure wasn’t Lisbon supposed to be the end of our troubles.

Here we so again, another sell out.

Labours way or Berlins way eh Eamon?

I wonder if there is a vote and it is defeated.Will Gilmore respect the peoples will.Lisbon proved or rather wiki leaks proved he has nothing but contempt for the voting public.

Not that I have a clue, i really really reckon we’ll need a referendum judging by the way they are talking.

As a matter of fact I would imagine all they are doing now is going through it in the tiny hope that they find a loophole.

If they sell the yes vote as a “better deal for Ireland”, they will get royally screwed. If they tell people that it’s a vote for whether we stay in the euro or not I wouldn’t be so quick to think we’ll vote no.

Meant to say “if it is defeated”sorry about that mistake.

Perhaps it is somewhat hopeful to expect, but if they truly want us to ratify this treaty then little short of a complete and utter write-down of all bank debt should be acceptable to the Irish people. This country has been destroyed through 5 Austerity Budgets, and if things continue the way they are, there will be at least another 5 of these down the track.
Europe are not going to do this however, but we can be assured that in the unlikely event that we are given a referendum they will throw every scare tactic in the book in order to get it passed. I just hope the Irish people are not duped once again as in Nice and Lisbon.

YES FOR JOBS!

Sorry should be “Arbeit macht frei”

This government like the last one is beginning to choke on its own spin mucous. Both coalition parties promised better terms to the taxpayer regarding bond repayment, bank recapitalisations and the infamous guarantee. All the promises were broken once the wax scent from the cabinet table drifted up their noses.

Aidan that pharse was used outside the concentration camps in a perverse way.Don’t think it is suitable here.I’m sure some will agree with you,but know history and understand why i say this.

The more we leave our business to the ECB and the IMF and their muppets here (government) the closer we going to be to a republic like “Guatemala”. If you don’t believe me check it out for yourselves, after 27 years of IMF control in Guatemala, the numbers are triumphing, growth! business! and people are STARVING! Note: Guatemala is the original “Banana Republic”! IMF has to go!

I don’t trust one word out of their mouths. Not one word.
A bunch of two faced, too many u-turn liars they are.

Hmmm… It begs the question that if we are offered a better deal on *our* debt (and I assume they’d make it a good one) to entice us into voting yes to this thing should we have to and we vote no does the better deal go with it…? Surely the deal aspect should have immediate results which we can see take effect before we vote?

It’ll be Lisbon all over again. We’ll vote no, Europe will say tut tut, we’ll vote yes. I hope that’s not how it goes but the masses scare easily.

Even if the write off half of our debt or even all of it, the next thing they going to do is to give us another loan. It happen in Greece a few weeks ago. Our debt is unsustainable, they have turn us into junkies waiting for our next fix! There is no life, living like that, in fear and waiting for the next fix. We should start thinking outside of the box if we want to live a life with dignity and decency and not continued to be dragged at the bottom of the barrel. We owed this to ourselves and our children. We should stop being obedient, being good boys brought us here! A start can be Iceland! Or something new that has nothing to do with these gangsters. But always for the common good and not for banks, money, profit, developers and property ladders.

Can i have that in writing please

Lisbon 2 promised our corperation tax rate would be protected how many times have Sarky and co mentioned it recently.Lucinda Creighton on the Frontline programme said it has not been signed into the treaty yet.Politicans dispise the people only willing to endure speaking to us whenever an election or referendum is called.Even then just to lie and give false promises which like idiots we believe.I hope the Irish people will not fall for lies,false promises and bullshit.Watch out for the start of the scare mongering.Mr Dragi has already started 1.00 clock news today.

I can’t see a referendum materialising for two reasons, (a) after Nice and Lisbon no government is going to risk another EU treaty in a vote. Much of what was agreed will be implemented by way of primary legislation, either in the Oireachtas directly or by transposition of EU law, as happened last week with fiscal supervision law, and (b) there will likely be a new president in France in May and the socialist contender, François Hollande, has already denounced the proposed treaty.

Here’s what they don’t want you to know and why they don’t want a referendum. Please share this, especially with you TD so they know you know…

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DEPcWHBPYOSU%26feature%3Dplayer_embedded&feature=player_embedded&v=EPcWHBPYOSU&gl=AU

Lies and more lies these guys kenny and gilmore maybe bigger liers than ahern and cowen

Seen it Ed scary stuff if that is what the agreement holds.We need a referendum on that agreement for sure,and honest debate no bullshit or scare tactics from either side.

Beckett’s recipe for success might have been fail, fail, and fail again, but for these effete lapdog governments we’ve been churning out for years now, when, oh when will one of them do something right for Ireland? For too long now the political establishment, left and right, have colluded to ignore the wishes of the people. Pleasing the ‘makers and breakers’ of the European project has more resonance among them than hearing the tired groans of an ailing society. From a common market trading area (EEC) we have been cajoled, manipulated, lied to, cheated, robbed, and de-democratised (if there’s such a word, but ye get the drift), into a federalist state where a once proud (but honest) independent neutral nation has been reduced to that of a principality! I’ve no inherent opposition to a federalist Europe but for fecks sake can we please have a government that will put the interests of the Irish PEOPLE first? instead of adopting a submissive posture with one eye on a lucrative euro job further down the line…… Mr. Gilmore you’re as weak, naive and Janus faced as Kenny et al (including FF). I only hope the socialists that fill the vacuum created by Labours shift to the right have a more altruistic view of humanity than you’ve hitherto shown!

No,no and hell no. I don’t care if they give a blank cheque to pay all of our sovereign debt in one go,the EU has spiraled out of control and cannot be allowed to take even more than it already has. This has mutated from the original idea of economic co-operation to prevent a future war to a complete federal union which doesn’t give a flying f… about anyone unfortunate enough to live in the United States of Europe. No is the only way. Ignore these give a dog a bone tactics an stand up for your country.

These people that rule this country have nothing in common with the people.Mick Wallace stated they don’t know or care what ordinary people go through.Sorry Mick if i misquoted you but it is the general gist of what you said.Look at the Cardiff F**k up if they had any respect for the common people they would have pulled his nomination or heavens forbid have the cop on not to nominate him in the first place.The only good thing that came out of that mess is were rid of the incompitence he demostrated.Hes Europes problem now.He’ll fit right in with the other unaccountable elite.

If your friends, your partner, your neighbour, lie, steal and cheat and leave you in misery and despair, most likely you are going to react! Let’s all of us confront these liars in Leinster house, for how long more we are going to seat and take it? Nothing is for nothing! None of them is going to give us anything, unless we demanded by all means necessary. So far they have load us with debt, unemployment, migration, poverty, despair, misery and helplessness! They taking away our people, jobs, homes, dignity, demolishing our schools and health system and the welfare, targeting the weakest. We allow them to do so, we can stop them now, it’s better to do it now before things get even worst and the than it will be nearly impossible!

If there is a referendum, I’ll be voting against. Reason being we will be even less irish than we are now if it is passed. Tell the Germans, French and Irish governments to F off. !

Yes Desmond i did notice a change,i also noticed our leaders had nothing to do with it but try to insist to the people did.Which anyone yourself included bothered to read the information about the rate reduction would know the government is talking bullshit in saying they acheived a reduction.

Better deal?
This new treaty will condemn us to more suffocating austerity for decades, any reduction of the debt will be counteracted with the penalties we face when we constantly fail to abide by the new fiscal rules dictated by countries who are only too happy to keep us down.