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Budget 2013: Four days to go, here is the speculation so far

The Budget is days away and though there has been fewer leaks than last year there’s plenty of speculation. This is what we can expect on Wednesday… definitely, maybe.

Michael Noonan delivering part of the Budget last year.
Michael Noonan delivering part of the Budget last year.
Image: Leon Farrell/Photocall Ireland

THIS WEDNESDAY FINANCE Minister Michael Noonan and Public Expenditure and Reform Minister Brendan Howlin are expected to deliver yet another austerity budget with much of the content of that budget document being kept a closely-guarded secret.

Even the hitherto expectation that the upcoming Budget will see a €3.5 billion adjustment that will comprise of €2.25 billion in spending cuts and €1.25 billion in taxation measures was the subject of speculation on Friday that it could actually only be €3 billion that is taken out of the economy.

But there are certain things that are well-flagged at this stage including the introduction of a graduated property tax which will not come into force until the middle of next year.

The way in which this tax is levied is not clear, nor is it clear how much we will each be paying although there are suggestions that it will be around between 0.2 per cent – 0.25 per cent of house value. What we do know is that the Revenue Commissioners will be collecting it.

The Irish Independent carried details of the tax earlier this week which suggested that the average homeowner will pay between €200 and €400 per year but Tánaiste Eamon Gilmore would not be drawn on this when asked about it in the Dáil on Thursday.

Aside from that we are confined to reading of leaked reports and accounts of Cabinet discussions about certain measures that are being considered. Leaks have not been as rampant as they were last year but in recent days speculation has increased and certain measures have been flagged by the media.

Noonan has said quite cryptically that “there are no plans at this time” to depart from the oft-quoted government pledge to maintain income tax rates and bands and tax credits. It would be a surprise were this to happen.

But much talk in recent weeks has centred on another tax, the Universal Social Charge, with Labour pushing for an increase to 10 per cent on those whose incomes are over €100,000, a move resisted by Fine Gael. This is reportedly a sticking point for the coalition with the Sunday Times reporting recently that the government was “at war” over the issue.

The senior coalition party has said the measure – which would raise around €71 million – would break the government pledge not to increase income tax and has argued that social welfare could be targeted in return. Of course on this, the programme for government says simply: “We will maintain social welfare rates”.

That does not prevent it from targeting the amount of time that someone can claim non-means-tested jobseeker’s benefit of €188 per week by reducing it from 12 months to nine months as has been suggested in several newspaper reports this week.

6/12/2011 Budget 2012 Second Day

Michael Noonan smiles as he poses with the Budget 2012 document last December (Picture: Laura Hutton/Photocall Ireland)

If social welfare amounts are untouched then one benefit that won’t be is child benefit which is almost certainly going to be targeted in the budget.

This was the subject of much debate earlier this year when the Department of Social Protection said it was considering a recommendation that the basic rate be cut from €140 each for the first two children to around €100 per child with top-up payments for low income families.

This would save around €200 million annually but was most likely considered to be too drastic in the current circumstances for many squeezed families. Now it has been widely suggested that child benefit will be cut to €130 per month. This could be viewed as a classic case of the government flying a scary kite and then reassuring everyone that actually it’s not going to be as bad as first thought.

Increases in rates of PRSI have also been mooted although again the programme for government’s view on this is that there will “be no increase in the standard 10.75 per cent rate of employers PRSI”.

The various social supports for the elderly such as electricity and gas allowances, free TV licence, free travel on public transport and telephone allowances could be targeted in Budget 2013 but no specific details have been reported so far.

The contentious issue of medical cards could also be the subject of new measures given the overspend in health which is becoming increasingly problematic for the government and in particular Health Minister James Reilly.

The Irish Independent reported on Friday that the 50 cent charge that medical card-holders pay for medicine will be doubled to €1. It also flagged that people living in council houses will face rent rises of €1 or €2.

Pensions could also be targeted with a proposal to cap pension tax relief at €60,000, meaning that those with pensions worth more than €60,000 would no longer be entitled to tax reliefs on these.

Michael Noonan is also reported to be considering a tax credit for homeowners who decide to carry out improvements. This would allow homeowners who improve their home to write off some of the cost of hiring people to carry out renovations, an initiative that could benefit tradespeople struggling in the aftermath of the construction collapse.

The government will also likely outline a cut in growth forecasts for the year ahead. Though Ireland’s economy will be among one of the few in the eurozone to actually grow next year it will be by less than expected, coming in at just over 1 per cent.

But all that said, the old government maxim of nothing being decided until everything is decided will probably hold firm right up until the hours before Michael Noonan takes to his feet and begins delivering austerity pain.

Read: Noonan and Howlin will both deliver Budget 2013 next Wednesday

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Read: Fianna Fáil’s alternative budget: Cuts to politician pensions and no property tax

Read: Sinn Féin launches alternative budget, say “Government still have choices”

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Comments (84 Comments)

  • OU812 01/12/12 #

    My prediction… We’re gonna be rode hard & put away wet.

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  • So basically, the intention is “Cut the children, cut the old, cut the sick, cut the poor, but for God’s sake leave the rich alone”?

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    • 10% USC fir those over 100k mentioned.

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    • No more tax relief on pensions over 60k, 10% USC on salaries over 100k, and a graduated property tax covers the rich.

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    • Paul Whelan
      A USC is a very bad idea.
      It would leave Ireland a desolate country.
      I for one would lose interest and would certainly not invest in the Irish economy anymore.
      I would have no reason to remain in a country which does not offer a future as far as the longterm goes and one that financially rapes the individual citizen.

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    • People living in council houses can expect a rent increase of €1-€2. The rest of us who are killing ourselves trying to keep a roof over our heads face property tax of €50 – €100 per month !! Something wrong there. Welfare state is right.

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    • Mcgoo, did the workin class get Eire into the shit we’re in?
      I think what ur on about is nothing more than fallin for divide an conquer and petty resentment.

      Ya lookin for those who need to take responsibility?? look quite a bit higher than those livin in council houses

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    • Not the working class, Magoo is talking about the not working class. The spongers.

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    • Figo, I normally agree with with Magoo, but in this instance the only thing I can agree with is his last sentence
      “Welfare state is right.”

      Great and wonderful welfare state for private corporations…. when they’re fooked EVERYONE pays, when they’re doing well EVERYONE pays

      FFS look at the *cause*

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  • It’s ok, I’m a mid 30′s white male with a salary of €30k. Don’t worry, I’ll cover all this as usual

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  • Yusufmc 01/12/12 #

    Ppl r we donkeys on a string for the government to beat with a stick! I just ask wer is the work n wat r they doing to us? They have all sectors of Irish people divided n fighting each other instead of fighting them!

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  • I will encourage my children to emigrate and get away from this corrupt country and maybe they will send me a ticket to join them.

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    • Una your not on your own. Isn’t it sad that parents are thinking that way. I know my son can’t wait to get out of here and I encourage him to do so. I won’t have him contribute to a Champagne socialist society burdened with unsustainable debt that wasn’t incurred by him. He’s only nine!!!

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    • Una, i feel ur disillusionment and frustration and anger. I was thinkin an feelin the same meself til recently. Then I came to the conclusion that the shit we’re in runs deep, and its been around for a very long time. Maybe its only comin to light now in the last couple of years. For meself, Im in this for the long run, thats how I see it. We could be in the middle of a real transformation for our society. The old illusions of the pillars of society are bein shown up for the dodgyiness that they are. Im tellin me kids to hang around. Its a good country we live in, populated generally by good and decent people. It would be far easier to create a fairer society in a country our size…and it is the country of our birth with a reasonably proud history.

      therefore, im tellin me kids to stay here for the moment.. tellin them to become a proper pain in the proverbials for this an any government until *real* change happens based on decency and fairness.

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    • Una I totally agree. I don’t want my children once they start working to be paying tax for politicians pensions. I am all for them contributing to whatever society they end up in but for services they recieve.

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    • Why are you waiting?

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    • Ryan Oneill…
      As sad/negative as your comment might sound.
      It is the reality of living in a small country like Ireland and I would support my children in every way if they decided to emigrate.
      Give me one good reason why one would not seek their fortunes abroad.
      Ireland is historically a disaster zone in many respects.

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    • Sure bail out of here, but don’t bother coming back when things improve. It would be unfair if you haven’t contributed towards a recovery!

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    • John 01/12/12 #

      So instead of moaning about it on a website, why not do something about it and demand change. Oh I forgot, you’re Irish, you wont do a thing and your politicians know that…go back to the x-factor and don’t be annoying me, the most cowardly obedient, spineless people in the world.

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  • Patitas 01/12/12 #

    No need to wait 4 days, here is my underwear…clean and dry…

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  • Tax credits for home improvements???? Oh yeah, for people jobless and struggling to meet mortgage payments at least there’s some relief for that conservatory they’ve been planning…pair of clowns

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  • I bought KY Gel in anticipation of been screwed on budget day by the traitors that is our government.

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  • A week of having to put up with the same people coming on here screaming that we should strike, protest, march etc and yet do nothing of the sort. The Irish are just there to be trodden upon so don’t be surprised that this is what actually happens.

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  • I just can’t handle footing the bill much more. The government seem absolutely PETRIFIED to touch social welfare. Would €3 really do that much harm? I just think take €3 weekly off every social welfare payment there is. Now I don’t know the numbers but surely, SURELY, that has to be a serious saving????

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    • Eimear, any chance that you would explain the logic and reasoning behind your suggestion of taking €3 a week off someone getting €188 as opposed to taking the €3 a week off someone bringing home €500 per week for instance.

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    • Because the person taking home €500 a week (for instance) has expenses such as rent/mortgage, health insurance, travel to/from work, utilities etc. which all need to be paid for. Now said expenses are rising quickly & drastically so sheer economics dictates that if you’re earning less but paying for more, you’re headed towards serious trouble.

      Ergo, if you are ‘taking home’ 500 a week, you’re doing well to be left with 50 at the end of it. And I’ve already paid my USC over x number years while watching my tax credits diminish. It’s fairness.

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    • Eimar you do realise that should you lose your job in the morning you will have to pay for all you’ve mentioned on 188 (minus the 3 you’ve proposed). Job seekers are not a different race. They’re just like you but have lost their job. The vitriolic comments I read on these pages re job seekers are unreal. You’d swear the minute someone loses their job they adorn pyjamas as daywear and get on a methadone programme.

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    • Eimear you do realize that the vast majority of people on the dole have paid PRSI before they were unemployed so it is not like they are getting free money. They have already contributed to to Government coffers but are treated with contempt by people who are lucky enough to have jobs. As Anne pointed out people like myself also have to pay rent , utilities, food, clothing etc so it’s not like I’m living the life of Reilly and down the pub every night like people like to think.

      As for being left with €50 at the end of the month, well I would love to be in that position because I can’t remember the last time I had that chance. I have nothing left at the end of the week never mind the end of the month. I certainly won’t have it anytime soon either if you get your way!

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    • eimear, do you know what 3 euros buys, it will buy 4 litres of milk, add a few more cents and you can buy a pack of mince, it can be the difference between a family eating cornflakes for a meal, or having a proper meal
      many, may people now on social welfar have massive mortgages, have the added expense of a car bcos you cannot there is no public transport.
      And to a family, that would be a cut of almost 5 euros from the parents alone, unless you want that 3 euros removed from the 29.80 you get for a child too?
      Quite aware that there are people who are cradle to the grave government artists who know quite a few tricks and live fairly comfortably but seriously for anyone who has lost their jib since 08, you can be assured we are out there ending cvs that we know in our own hearts are fairly pointless bcos there is such a low rate of successfully retaining a job, and be thankful you have a job that pays 500 a week, of course id be more than willing to swap if you’d like to be depressed on the dole!
      I know the whole social welfar system needs reform but the slash and burn approach is not thr right way to go…3 euros may not be a lot to you, but to those of us, who are budgeting down to the cent, trust me its not good!

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    • Eh, before you all hop on your high horse, I’m well aware what it is to lose your job! Do you think I’m immune? I was on social welfare for almost a year but my expenses were def lower & I felt Personally like I wasnt entitled to what I was getting because I wasn’t getting up and going to work; despite working full-time since I was 19. And no, I don’t have €50 left at the end of the month; most times I’m lucky if I’m not €50 over my limit.

      I don’t think for a second that everyone on the dole is a con artist who doesn’t want to work but I don’t think that the €500 a month I pay in tax should keep going up. It’s Saturday & I’m in work so don’t dare talk down to me about not doing the necessary to make ends meet. I just don’t think I should be punished for it. We have one of the best social welfare systems in Europe, but the more people that sign up, the less feasible it becomes. I didn’t suggest throwing people out on the street, cutting off welfare altogether after 6 months or even axing the medical card; my suggestion was merely a €3 reduction. You can’t keep pinching it from the middle income! It’s a complete disincentive to progress!!!

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    • Eimear since 2009, the dole has been reduced by i believe 20 euros, and the furl allowance bt 120 a year. I do not think that any low or middle income family should be targetted or take any more cuts in income or increases in tax. They can raise incomes in other ways as shown by some of the alternative budgets. We are all truthfully bickering over scraps.
      However I do believe that the quality of the social welfare benefit you get should be reliant on how many years that you have contributed to society, and that the longer you are without a job, and not engaging in proper ce schemes or courses, the less your benefits should be, while 90% of those on the dole want to work, and have worked prior to 08, the whole leech culture of some needs to be tackled

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    • In eimears defence, I know of a family on social welfare who have 2 cars and send their children to fee paying school. I know another family who get a taxi paid by the state to bring their children to school, their father runs a used car sales business!
      I know life on social welfare is really tough, but not for everyone!

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  • Kedgeo 01/12/12 #

    THey aren’t going to raise income tax but are going to raise household tax-that’s just another form of taking income tax and going to take directly out of our wage!!HELLO people we don’t stand up to these crooks-it’s our country our children’s future they are taking from.Take note of next anti austerity march and get ur butt out there-we are great giver outers but don’t do anything about it-we need to get out there and show them they can’t do this anymore

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  • Just the same as FF. no difference. Protect our boys and screw the arses of the people of our country. Rich get richer. Might move to Iceland. The government there actually work for their country

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  • OU812 01/12/12 #

    Again.

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  • The people forget they have the ultimate power , look at the way the poles changed Poland with a mass demo that,s where we need to get .The problem is who do we vote for ,we have no state,s man
    The house hold charge is a no no it put,s all the pressure on the one section of the people to pay a unfair amount of tax and that,s what it is to pay for services that everybody avails of.

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  • They can take our money and possessions but they can’t take our minds. Can they ??

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  • The most potent tool of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed. If one doesn’t stand for something one will fall for anything. Welcome to the Irish not so free state!!!!

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  • Cool , I need a new hairshirt, the one I’ve been wearing since 2008 is irritating and no signs of relief anytime soon..

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  • Ah God love them,they have to make very difficult & hard decisions.How can these traitors actually live with themselves as they destroy familys and the country.
    These budgets will effect the children of yet to be concieved children.

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  • This country needs to be brought to its knees, not though perpetual austerity but a big feic off riot! That would be a game changer, and the only things that would be effected would be the ever so rich insurance companies and the gov forking out for the damages, it’s time to organise and infiltrate!!

    Let’s stand up and fight together!

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    • Gamma 01/12/12 #

      Yeah lets riot so that the repair bill can come out of insurance premium hikes next year. Clown

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    • At Gamma your the good little austerity boy that worries about the hikes in insurance premiums when A RIOT Is going on!!!! christ i’d hate to go for a drink with you, keep being a muppet and i’ll keep not paying the taxes that i shouldn’t pay. household, water, property, any of these fundraising taxes, and you keep being a lovely little austerity boy, and keep worrying about the insurance premiums!!!!!!

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    • Gamma you’re the clown.protests achieve nothing, voting out the current government achieves nothing, look at the pensions the Fianna Fáil bastards who weren’t reelected are raking in!

      So, what can we do? Answers on a postcard.

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  • john fox 01/12/12 #

    and he will announce. where the free soup kitchens will be one in every town.

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  • Will someone please tell me! How the bloody hell are they going to value your property!

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  • living in Wales, yearning to return home after 17 years.The country is in shambles and I am losing heart….Please Ireland, help the young stay.People leave in search of something better and the time comes when you want to return.I don’t mean to sound overdramatic.I go home 3 times a year.Speak to my parents and brothers every other day.but there are days when I am dropping the kids to school and question “why am I here” :( I know when the time comes and a family member passes…the pull will become unbearable.

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  • The less well off have become an unsustainable burden in the eyes of this government! Take more off them, and hopefully they’ll either leave the country or starve to death. It’s tantamount to genocide!

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    • Ya know, i’d have more respect for them if they came out clean and just said that.

      Maybe Enda could be talked into sayin that as his Chrimbo State of the nation speech…
      “Poor people of Ireland. Would yis ever just fook off out of the country or die.”

      Certainly be more honest of him, the blueshirted swine

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  • bring back the christmas bonus for people that should sort families out.:)

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  • As usual d children of the country (some of whom weren’t even born when d whole thing went south) pay the price. May be actually able to stomach it if the pensioners some who are millionares took their fair hit but no they’re protect. why?? They can vote. Children cann’t

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  • Niall 01/12/12 #

    The Croke Park Agreement, ever sacrosanct, will result in no *real* work on our biggest expense: civil servants. Yet O’Reilly tries to paint hospital consultants as greedy. Disgraceful.

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  • We may see a red christmas yet, I am sharpening my axe and have the musket ready to go!

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  • I’ll take a property tax exemption of 10 years for home buyers thanks Mr. Noonan. Should be around 10k or so bonus.

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    • Actually, according to Irish Times this apply to mortgage holders with low incomes and high mortgages. So after the false prop of mortgage interest relief, the private residential market will crumble from Jan…

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