Reports a few months ago suggested they’d use current market value based on recent sales of similar properties in your locale.

House prices are still falling ,so will you get a lower rate when your house value drops into a lower band .Think not

yes based on the property price register at http://www.propertypriceregister.ie/. However the problem for me is that only one house in my estate was sold last year and its a bigger house than my own home. Will they be taxing me based on a completely different house?

Guys
The tax is been is self calculating so it is you will determine what your house is worth however if you get that figure massively wrong you will be penalized . So if a slightly bigger house sells in the park for 200k than your is in around 180k calculating it at a value of 80k will mean you will pay penalties on the 100k when it comes to been rectified .
In France where income tax is on average about 60% the property tax works out at about 3k a year for the average home.
If you are renting you pay a habitation tax of around 1700 per apartment oh multiply that by 3 if you are in Paris

If they use the current market value based on recent sales in your area, they are in for a shock in my area, as any house that is for sale there is on the market this last two years, worth feckall!

Maybe if you went to less rock concerts you might be less broke …

Are we the only country on the planet who’s socialist parties and individual left wing politicians do not believe in a tax on property

jerry,

This is and always has been a conservative problem. Raise all the taxes you want on the middle class but you are not going to do squat to the debt until you seriously address tax breaks to the top 10%. The fact that we can’t even talk about reducing the rate of tax breaks without the Right squealing like stuck pigs proves that we are in big trouble. The Blueshirts (and Fianna Fail) have proven that they are not going to do anything about the debt and that they are just going to keep taxing the ordinary people.

@ Jerry,
The tax is unfair. If you paid enormous stamp duty a few years back, it is very hard to accept this. We also pay bin charges, career dolers wont be paying this tax? Tenants wont be paying? What about people living in apartments paying managment fees? Why are there rumours of new house buyers being exempt? It’s unfair…

That said if they came out and said for the next 10 years the house tax will be fixed @ 200 per annum I would consider it.

A home is not a luxury Jerry, it’s a necessity for living and family. Take off your blinkers or wake up, its immoral and Enda Kenny agrees!

” career dolers wont be paying this tax? Tenants wont be paying? ”

A jobless person will also be forced to pay this unfair tax. Tenants are not property owners – it is the Landlord’s responsibility. We do not need a hate based tax system. We need a system that cuts tax breaks, pensions, salaries, and bank debt. None of that has happened.

@ Joe, When I say career dolers I am referring to the losers that live off the state, like their parents did and like their kids will.

You know the type or maybe you haven’t noticed. I can see them walking past my window now, pushing a pram, wearing a tracksuit and throwing a smoke butt on the ground.

Or am I being cruel?

Stephen
you live in a small modest home in Tallagh you pay little you live in a luxury pad on Alysboury rd worth more you pay lots .. that is a fair tax.
It is a tax which should never have been abolished and was done so purely to win an election in 1977
The opposition politicans here are against its re introduction for the same reason.

We have all paid high taxes on our property and on our mortgages too and now this extra tax is the limit

Jerry, I’m no left wing nut. The lack of substance in the left is the only reason I don’t attend the protests. I cannot pay. simple as that.

How much will those in Council Houses pay?

Not true Bernadette, many people paid no property tax (stamp duty) while many paid tens of thousands. An annual payment is a much fairer system but very difficult to introduce in the current climate. Rates should never have been abolished. Thank you Fianna Fail!

@ Toorkeel they will be paying €00000,00 while those if us that struggled to save fir our homes will be the fools to pay this extra tax and remember we are paying in the region if 72 taxes as it is out of our hard warned salaries and our salaries are getting so meagre now we are left with nothing
Heating our homes us becoming harder and harder and for most now it is a case of Food or Heat,

@Reg income tax was increased when “Rates” were “Abolished” to cover the cost folk are still paying that tax we also pay PRSI to cover hospital A+E and beds but we still have to pay €100 when we visit A+E And fortunately I do not know how much a bed in a public hospital cost at this time. We also pay USC’s another tax that gives nothing back the difference though between the Property tax and PRSI AND USC,s is every working person pays the PRSI and USC’s with the property tax it is only folk who took the the road to have security of owning their own home for their old age We ALL have paid taxes in our homes on every block and stick that went into making it a house and then we pay tax on our Purchases to make it a home and you Reg tell me I am wrong Todays vat on building materials is 23% which is passed to the buyer and now we are as homeowners ( not tenants) to continue paying Rent with no returns.I did not over borrow I did not create the national debt I did not mismanage my income I do not owe one cent to anyone We worked hard and long hours to look after ourselves we bought our home for security in our old age and now we are facing a rent on our own home So Reg why are we paying 72 taxes to end up paying yet another unfair tax

No they feckin won’t!! It’s like everything else in this country, the people who get up each day and try and better themselves are the ones that are whipped more! They are expected to keep the freeloaders in the life they are accustomed to. By using the word “freeloaders” I in no way mean the hard working people who lost everything in the bust. I mean the gutter rats who contribute nothing to our society and never have, the ones who live the system!

@Bernadette. Yes, you are 100% correct. The coping classes, those of us who pay 80% of all tax revenue in this country are the ones are paying again….the “working” poor….If this tax is to be introduced, everyone should pay. Those who appear to be exempt use the same facilities and services as the rest of us and therefore should also pay. That is the way in the UK and most other Western countries….

Barry
There is no doubt there is genuine cases of people who cant pay .but there is a lot of people who don’t want to pay which is different , as this tax is been collected by the revenue rather than the councils it will be harder to avoid and the penalties for not paying will be stiff
What I do find interesting is that statistics will tell you we are hoarding cash like never before and if you look at the amounts of Concerts and gigs been held here every year at huge prices there seems to be a lot less hardship going in then portrayed by the media .
I saw headlines recently that students were starving and leaving college as there grants had not come through yet look at any of the areas around colleges here in Cork on a Thursday night and it is party time like never before .

the larger the percentage of the national income taken by taxes the greater the deterrent to private production and employment. When the total tax burden grows beyond a bearable size, the problem of devising taxes that will not discourage and disrupt production becomes insoluble.


Henry Hazlitt,
Economics in One Lesson: The Shortest and Surest Way to Understand Basic Economics

Irish tax take exceeds 50% of GNP. Amongst the highest in the developed world and unprecedented in the history of the state.
Without doubt we are governed by the most economically illiterate government this nation has seen.

The problem isn’t the tax itself though if they sold it in a different way- community based tax or something to that affect it may not be as bad. The problem is the way it is collected. Just because you live in a house of a certain value does NOT mean you can afford to. Life changes, deaths, separations, divorces, disabilities etc change the goalposts for many. This should be introduced more slowly.

Well said!!!

Not true- you might have inherited the house in Aylesbury rd, you may be dying of cancer, you may have 10 kids etc etc -it dosnt mean a thing. I worked 5 jobs to be able to afford the house I’m in-then my husband f..led off and never paid one more penny towards his kids etc. I have a decent job, a nice house and am completely penniless so ……………..

same here-I’m not wasting my time or price of a phone call when their time and money would have been better spent checking first -let them take me to court before I’ll prove I paid it..if they can’t make a list and check it twice…

Exactly… In the north your home rates and taxes pay for bin collection every week, roads salted regularly in the cold, free education and health care… Etc..
Here we are taxed to the hilt and receive nothing for it.. now they expect us to pay another tax for no return

Just because other countries have property taxes doesn’t mean we should jump on the bandwagon. It’s called being independent-minded.

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Jerry, Look up property tax in other countries and you’ll see what citizens get for it. We pay way too much tax here, for what we get and its all for pen pushing prats in the public Service! We can’t afford, these people!

And we thought we were badly off under British rule now the 4th Reich will grind us dry with endas help

Hang on a sec there ……they cherry pick the things they want to benchmark against for their own benefit, thing is comparisons work both ways ( pro & con)

@ DubDon. Correct. Labour did exactly the same thing last time in power as well. Dick Spring et al lied, cheated, squirmed and employed so many cronies and family members it became a scandal. “Everything changes but everything stays the same”.

Ironically Dick Spring is now sitting on the board of AIB as “our” public interest director. Between 2009 and 2011 Dick picked up €132,000 in fees……As you say nothing changes.

So Dick Spring ( what a name) is in AIB on behalf of the GOVT? So he was there and knew about 1 billion of taxpayers money to boost the ailing AIB Pension book for, what was it? 10 people. well done Govt you bunch of incredulous mouth breathers.

We haven’t lost our balls up here in Donegal! Also, how are the gubbermint intending to implement a property tax early next year when approx 700,000 people haven’t paid the household charge and are not on the register? People who haven’t paid have and have not received warning letters, people who have paid have received warning letters, people who have been dead 30 years have received warning letters, property developers in Donegal owe DCC €4.77m and the council have not done anything in regards to chasing them down…..jesus, it’s a complete joke…

Dear Joe
As the revenue will now be collecting the tax I do hope you have never claimed mortgage relief on your home because if you have they will come after you .
and if the rich put there home address down as there place of Business they will be subject to commercial rates which are much higher and yes it hits the middle class the same as all other classes who own property
life s tough get over it

@Joe
according to rte paye taxpayers will have it deducted at source, spread out over the year to, and I quote, “soften the blow” I don’t think we’ll get a choice of wether to pay or not. That rte story has seriously given me a sick feeling in my stomach. I’m barely keeping my head above water, this will drown me

Trying that for years now Stephen. They pretend to care but do nothing.

Someone left Pascal a message, because he wasn’t in when the citizen called and Enda wasn’t eggstatic today!

What? it was SF that called him out on it! Typical s#%t from FG, kite flying to see how there scams will float in the budgets! Wasn’t it labour and FG that are opposed to taxing the rich more? yeah they would rather cut and tax the likes of them crafty people that are downsyndrome etc, yeah sounds like them alright..

FG don’t care. They want your money one way or another. There’s only two alternatives here: Raise some taxes, cut some spending, wait for results, redo, etc until deficits are eliminated, starting with Minister’s Pensions, salaries, high-earners, tax breaks, and the promissory note.

Using a VAT rise on ESB would mean that everyone pays the same – not fair. The property tax will be a wealth based tax as it will be linked to the value of your property.

According to your logic, all taxes (including VAT), apart from taxes on earnings, are double taxation.

All money you earn is taxed so by your logic, wouldn’t VAT be double taxation too?

@bob. It doesn’t mean everyone pays the same.

An old person living alone listening to pat kenny on a radio pays a lot less than someone like me with 2 x 50″ plasma TVs, Wii, DVD players, 4 smart phones, 5 laptops, 2 netbooks, etc etc. it’s a fairer way of collecting it.

Now if I want to reduce my bill I confiscate all the gadgets, turn off the TVs and for evening entertainment I throw a single digestive biscuit in the middle of the of the 4 kids and the Rottweiler and listen to them fight it out.

“Listen” because I’m in the dark of course

“The property tax will be a wealth based tax as it will be linked to the value of your property”

It won’t because:

1) It hits a jobless mom or a jobless dad

2) It hits mostly the middle class

3) It gives the rich a break if they pass the property off as their place of “business”.

We should be increasing taxes on the top 10% wealthy earning above EUR 100,000 a year – not prolonging their tax breaks.

@cathal. Excellent point. The only difference is when u pay vat your choosing to spend money. With proprty tax ur not. But yes. It’s also double taxation

@bob it’s NOT wealth based tax-it’s a property based tax-NOT the same. If it were wealth based tax, I’d pay very little but because I busted my ass 11 years ago to move my kids to a better area, I’m screwed now-my “wealth” is 1/4 what it was then.

@bob it’s NOT wealth based tax-it’s a property based tax-NOT the same. If it were wealth based tax, I’d pay very little but because I busted my ass 11 years ago to move my kids to a better area, I’m screwed now-my “wealth” is 1/4 what it was then.

I think it will be Sinn Fein and Independents as the next government. France for example elected different conservative governments over the years before making a change. I can see the same happening in Ireland in 2016.

Well lets hope so as they are destined to bankrupt the place totally which means we will lose sovereignty to the IMF who will in turn rip up Croke Park and start the place from scratch, which would be the best thing that could happen.

Jebus save us if SF are put in charge!

Clearly we should be re-investing the tax, when we pay it, in education.

Paul, out of interest, is your English really that poor? I can’t imagine anyone who has passed through an education system, even one as poor as ours, writing such an unintelligible mass of gibberish.

Cpn, perhaps we should be sending you back to that education system. While the spelling and grammar are poor, anyone who actually paid attention in English can still comprehend what was said.

Why should I have to interpret what he said, Jason.

The purpose of education & the English language is to enable us to express ourselves in a clear and concise manner, I fail to see how I can be held accountable for his inability to express himself.

Actually the purpose of the English language is to communicate with other individuals. You don’t have to be clear and concise to get your point across. Even though his grammar and spelling were terrible I could still understand it perfectly without needing to read it twice.

Clearly the problem is in your end of the court. Either your grasp of English is too poor or you genuinely couldn’t have been bothered to read it a second time. Either way it is not the problem of the original poster because others can understand it.

Create a Grammar Police license that requires a fee and we probably won’t need property taxes at all.

I’m running out of different political parties to vote for though.

Independents, Sinn Fein ?

I’m sorry, it is off topic a bit but, the guy is a joke.

he creates high paying. jobs for his wife . and talks SHITE . but i can’t think of. any thing else sorry

Francis, for hope…do not apply here! :-)

Source: http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1129/schools-tax-break.html

seems the government are considering a post tax so you’ve seem charged for your original post and all the posts since. just cos you can’t see them doesn’t matter. tax is applied when comment is submitted!

If your selling in Dublin contact a minister it seems they can claim a tax relief for a second home. I wonder if they are also excused the €200 holiday home / second residence charge as well?

Is that sarcasm?

Yes

Did you pay the new postal charge to receive your post?