Then leave and try working in the productive sector. What makes me laugh the most is when a union member posts (what they believe to be) a well-reasoned argument – they disappear when a better, more logical counter-argument appears. So your comparison is really apples and apples, but not the way you intended.

Carol do you not realize that our betters couldn’t possibly stay in the same accommodation as us what message would that send out and their cars are more expensive to run as they buy the higher grade patrol and diesel that is way more expensive than what ordinary workers buy.

What is the productive sector exactly? Is that where products are manufactured in China for x amount of cents and sold for multiples of euros here to meet “productive sector” mark up profits? Or is it the multinational products manufactured here with the company profits exported to their parent company HQs overseas?
Public sector is the “nanny state”. It provides all the services you need now and in the future just like your mammy/ nanny did.
Deliver you when you are born, school you for 10-15 years, treat you when you are sick, provide you with security, defuse pipe bombs, guard your precious cash in transit, pick you up when you are drunk, arrest you when you break the law, support you when you are the victim, care for you or your loved one when the dreaded Cancer strikes your kin….. And everything else the public expect the State (their Nanny) to do, legislate and regulate. This costs money, choose to fund it And choose to water it down, that is what is being asked of public servants today.
Maintain law and order by closing 100 Garda stations, treat more patients while closing hospital beds, respond faster to medical emergencies in older and less numerous ambulances. Do you not get it yet? Less money and less resources impacts on the Public when they rely on it most!
That’s a heck of a lot of services and expertise you will benefit from in your lifetime in return for the your contribution to society.

Good man Billy lad, u came a long way from HBX

In fairness, we do need HSE administrators… We just need them doing different things!

James – If the pay disparity is due to a troubled economy and this cause private companies to tighten their belts, so should the government, which would then eliminate that disparity

It’s still not going to enough to meet the unfunded pension liabilities this country has. When public employees are willing to sign employment agreements with no strings attached, the same as their non-government private sector counterparts, then I will listen to their protests of underpayment.

Did u pose for that pic looks like something off a election poster

i didn’t say it was enough. I said start with it.

The problem with some public (government) worker unions is some are essentially negotiating with themselves and in the end, surprise, surprise they have negotiated great contracts which pay more than the market wage for services.

No one is representing the people actually paying for these contracts, that is the taxpaying public.

Regonald,

Whatever private sector you’re in seems to not even notice, that all you’re doing with company time is troll on social sites. You are by no means productive in anything you say or do it would seem.

I’m at home having worked a night shift so that’s why I’m on this watching news develop on future pay cuts. What’s your excuse?

I know I wouldn’t like to have you working for me or with me. You’d be the one everyone else would try to avoid getting into a meaningful conversation with.

The problem with some (self employed) people is that they have no much time to pose for pictures

Under the proposals Taoiseach Enda Kenny and Tánaiste Eamon Gilmore would see their pay drop by €14,650 and €13,096 to €185,400 and €171,300 respectively.

Cabinet Ministers would see their pay drop by €11,700 to €157,500 with the same cut applying to the Dáil Ceann Comhairle Seán Barrett. Ministers of State would see their pay drop to €121,600.

All TDs would see their annual pay cut from €92,600 to €87,300. The pay of judges, senior civil servants such as Department secretaries general, and the Garda commissioner would also be cut if the proposed measures are agreed to.

I think these senior politician cuts are about 50% of what would have impressed the public.

And the cuts to past ministers and taoisi were about 10% of what the public wants to see.

Ahern and Cowen pensions cut to €142,655 from €150,163 is a joke. Should be cut to €70k, even that is still enormous, but at least it is a real cut.

Private Sector individuals would need to invest close to 2million Euro to fund that sort of pension income on retirement (at 67!)

I’m sorry ” flaps”, I’m all for cutting big salaries but this doesn’t go far enough, losing 4000 euro off a salary of 200000 Jesus my heart pleads for enda kenny, how will he ever survive, maybe we should have a whip round for him, is paddy the plaster still knocking around, frontline and shift workers are getting the same cut and can’t survive but this is not making the newspapers r tv programmes as the government is trying to put a good spin on it to sell it, vote no vote no vote no vote no

Anyone on over 65k should be cut if cuts are needed “smudge”… People earning under that should be left alone…

Misunderstood sorry flaps

It’s the cowboys in government that need a pay reduction… Its just a pity that front line staff earning under 65k may also be hit with cuts in this new deal…

Please explain where that even happened.

Reported.

Didn’t like Greece Regie? Try Latvia!!!!!

Truth hurts

So in other words ALL teachers are going to get their pay cut, so the younger less experienced will lose a higher percentage than the older and longer serving teachers.

Another way to look at it is that teachers are the only group to lose an allowance for doing work very difficult and stressful work, ask any teachers and supervision and subbing is by far the worst part of the job. there are some crazy allowances in the public sector (as revealed over the summer) yet they haven’t been cut.

So, in fact you could argue that teachers have been treated amongst the worst by being the only group specifically targeted.

I presume they are declaring this extra income, along with tiler teachers and tarmac garda

The teaching year is 183 days. I doubt many teachers are spending the other 180 days a year driving taxis.
Gardai don’t have that much time off, so highly unlikely they are double-jobbing in the private sector to any great extent.

It affects me Paul , it will put me and my family on the street,I’m taking an 8% cut in my pay and I’m on the frontline , there’s a clause in it that if anything else happens in the economy the government can rip this up and give us more cuts, I don’t believe a td when they say this will be the last cut, they lie everyday of the week, this won’t affect certain parts of the public sector which isn’t fair but we have to stick together and fight this, are you in the public sector and wat part are you in, just wondering

And you believe the indo, more fool you.

Every nurse, doctor, garda, fireman, teacher, and I’m sure many more sectors have been cut. that is way more than 40,000.

The government specifically decided to hit slightly below half the numbers of the PS to try to get the mainly unaffected office workers to vote it thru as they have been mainly spared.

Whats your email and ill tell you where I work and how it affects me.