Dublin living up to the tag of Dirty Old Town

It is being dumped in hedgerows!

And in the canal.. Some secret filming might catch a few

Dirty Old Town is about Manchester not Dublin.

Apologies Salford.

This has more to do with reducing numbers in the cleansing department in Dublin City Council than it has to do with litter. The cleansing deparment employs people on six monthly contracts. You are only made permanent if you manage to get 3 contracts in a row. It keeps pay and rights low and this year they are taking on fewer people than they have in the past 3 years. I know this because my next door neighbour works for them in their Marks Lane depot.

You have fine Gael down to a tee there, short sighed and punish everyone.

Bang on lad. Severe shortage of brain power in this country they must have all emigrated.

No, I’m also head-desking it to the max here.

Penalize the poor again. Take all their money pay 635 million to unsecured bond holders and make the poor live in a dump!! I bet you are from FG

Anel, im from no party but I am a tax payer and I pay for my bins. I pay my way and im sick of paying to clean up after Dublin skangers. Heres an idea, leave your food shopping packaging with the store you buy it from as they have to take it and use recycling and composting facilities. Stop relying on everyone else. The path beside the luas track at the Rialto stop up to the bridge is constantly full of bags with beers cans. They can be recycled. Whats your next excuse for people being filthy vermin?

How in Gods name are FG at fault here? It’s FF that got us into this mess. FG are the ones tasked with trench to fix it

It appears that “paying the unsecured bondholders” has become the catchall to avoid personal responsibility.

The sad truth is that if we continue to gettoize a generation of people it’s going to cost one way or the other. I pay my taxes. When you have a rubbish government and idiots like hulk hogan telling lies the real work doesn’t get done. One in 10 young men have emigrated so it’s the skangers will be left!! Massive ongoing brain drain what’s left rubbish!!!

@Anal Cream. What a ridiculous outlook. What are you on about? Anyone that dumps rubbish in a public place is a filthy rotten *******. I don’t care what your “social circumstance” is. It shows a complete disregard for your neighbours and local community. Anyone caught, should be severely punished. As well an eyesore,

“Penalize the poor again. Take all their money pay 635 million to unsecured bond holders”

The poor never had any money, they rely on hand outs from the taxes of the squeezed middle. It’s the middle incomers who are paying the bondholders.

….its a health hazard, attracting vermin. I fail to see how someone dumping rubbish illegally is the fault of a political party or those “dastardly” bondholders. If a rat bites your child as it has been scavenging in illegal rubbish, whose fault is that? The rotten ******* that put it there or the bondholders. I know who I would blame and go after….

They need to educate the people in these areas on how to recycle, simple, to understand a problem you have to understand the people.
I wish people would stop using FF as an excuse, FG and Edna were in opposition the whole time so they had every opportunity to highlight the corruption and wrong doings of FF, it’s more than a year later and FG have managed to put us in a bigger mess and corruption still goes on. FF/FG are all of the same breed, they only care about themselves, people also need to understand that it’s the same civil servants and advisors who are helping to make the decisions. These people don’t want things to change, they’re happy with their cushy, over paid jobs. If people would stop arguing among each other and look at the bigger picture things would start to change.

“They need to educate the people in these areas on how to recycle”

Come off it, recycling has been on every media channel ad nauseam for the last decade or more, kids are taught about it in school, everyone knows how to recycle.

They have to want to recycle. You can either do it through penalties or rewards.

Eoin I might be wrong but I don’t think FF or FG aren’t dumping their mess at the side of the road, not every issue is a partisan one

@Damocles
These forms of education obviously don’t work, this is clear to be seen. Just because you and your friends know how to recycle doesn’t mean the whole country knows. Penalties will never work but a clever form of rewards would be a very good idea.

Anel, plenty of women are emigrating too in case you havent noticed. Recycling is taught in schools. Its when kids get home from school that everything their teacher has taught them goes out the window.

“These forms of education obviously don’t work”, Education raises awareness it doesn’t make people care.

“Penalties will never work”, Depends on the penalty and how rigorously it’s enforced.

“but a clever form of rewards would be a very good idea.”, Actually it would be awful. Just think, you could tell people if you bring metal to the recycling centre you can get cash for it. What do you think the result would be? Just as a guide do you think the incidence of metal theft would go up or down?

I never seen any of this media coverage teaching people how to recycle, only a small percentage of the population have kids at school and the majority of parents don’t listen to their kids. There’s a good video on YouTube about recycling called “story of stuff”. Videos like this would be helpful, it really shows the importance of recycling and how we are ruining our planet.

I never seen any of this media coverage teaching people how to recycle, only a small percentage of the population have kids at school and the majority of parents don’t listen to their kids. There’s a good video on YouTube about recycling called “story of stuff”. This might help people understand the importance of rubbish and how it’s ruining our planet.

Are you having a wee argument with yourself there Damocles??

@Damocles
“a clever firm of rewards”
What you proposed wouldn’t be clever.

I haven’t responded in over half an hour, you’ve responded 3 times, if anyone’s having an argument with themselves …

“What you proposed wouldn’t be clever.”, You haven’t proposed a clever form of rewards at all, you’ve just said that there should be one and given no detail.

I’d rather penalise people. Stick rather than carrot. Sticks last longer than carrots and you’re less likely to run out of them.

Read over your own comments, you propose a rewards system and then you argue that it wouldn’t work. That’s what I meant when I said you were arguing with yourself :-) i agreed with something you said and you think I’m trying to argue??? My duplicate comment was a suggestion of a way to educate people. The third was just trying to highlight how you misunderstood what I said.

@Toirealach. What education do you need to know that your rubbish goes in a bin? Unless we stick large fluorescent sticker to their heads with BLUE BUN FOR RECYCLING, BROWN BIN FOR ORGANIC MATTER, BLACK BIN FOR GENERAL WASTE to assist them. You can make all the excuses you want for people who dump their rubbish on streets and in hedgerows. Why don’t they pile their rubbish in their sitting rooms? I’ll tell you why, they know what they are doing is wrong and they don’t give a s**t. There is no excuse for it. Simple. These people do not care about you, me or anyone only themselves. I would 100% bet that you would never see ant if these people at 8am on a Saturday morning working in their communities on a voluntary basis, cleaning, planting shrubs or generally making their communities a better place. These are the same people that shout loudest for facilities and look for everything yet give nothing back. I have no tolerance or respect for anyone who illegally dumps rubbish on our streets and in our hedgerows and waterways. These people are vermin.

I said that you ‘can’ do it with penalties or rewards. I didn’t advocate rewards, I merely raised the possibility.

Incentivisation works, that cannot be denied, the issue with positive incentives is that having done them once you generally have to do them again and some people will take advantage of them.

With negative incentives you generally don’t have to do them again, unless the individual concerned is quite stupid.

@toorkeel
I have no tolerance or respect for people who litter either and I wouldn’t make excuses for them, even people who throw cigarette butts on the ground disgusts me, I was just trying to think of ways to fix the problem. Removing bins from streets won’t and neither will your attitude.

@Damocles
You raised the possibility of rewards, I agreed with you and said a clever form of rewards would be a possibility. You suggested an idea and automatically argued against it and then you give out to me that I’ve no solution for your idea????????? I have loads of ideas of how to fix this specific problem but I see here isn’t the place to suggest them, there seems to be a lot of angry and negative people hiding behind fake names, I prefer to discuss new ideas with positive forward thinking people, it’s a lot more productive and enjoyable.

“I prefer to discuss new ideas with positive forward thinking people”

“Small Scale Anaerobic Digestion.”

@Damocles
That looks interesting, must have a better look at it, cheers :-)

A friend of mine in Italy owns a tyre recycling plant. People pay him to collect the tyres, they convert the rubber into soundproofing sheets for bars and nightclubs, they melt the steel treads down and sell it and they do something with the inner cloth as well but I can’t remember. 0% waste, don’t think it’s done in Ireland but it’s ideas like this we need to be thinking about, not removing bins from streets.

Heres an incentive! Clean up your shit or live in it! And if youre caught littering, its picked up but put into YOUR house!

From someone who lives in the area mentioned by the Rialto Luas stop I can say its not a matter of teaching people how to recycle. Recycle bags come through the letter box and they have clear instructions on what goes in and what doesn’t. I hate littering and dumping its absolutely disgusting and there is no excuse for it.
However I will say that there has been a lot of problems here with the Greyhound people turning up sometimes a week late to collect the bins which leave the streets smelly and ugly. I know that’s a separate issue to the dumping but it might account for some of the rubbish spotted around the streets.

Great idea Ciara, let’s lead by example. If we see someone throw rubbish out of a car lets throw it back in, if we see someone throw little or a cigarette butt on the ground lets give it back to them or ask them to pick it up and bin it.

@Aisling
I understand what you’re saying but when I say to educate I don’t mean just to tell people what goes where I mean to educate people on the whole recycling process and how it works and why it’s so important to do it and what are the consequences if we don’t. I know a lot of people who don’t bother because they believe that all the rubbish just ends up in the same skip so a little education would help them understand. I don’t think we just need to educate, there are loads more things we need to do as well, like addressing the problems you raised.

I wish people would stop using FF as an excuse, FG and Edna were in opposition the whole time so they had every opportunity to highlight the corruption and wrong doings of FF, it’s more than a year later and FG have managed to put us in a bigger mess and corruption still goes on. FF/FG are all of the same breed, they only care about themselves, people also need to understand that it’s the same civil servants and advisors who are helping to make the decisions. These people don’t want things to change, they’re happy with their cushy, over paid jobs. If people would stop arguing among each other and look at the bigger picture things would start to change. Fine Gael need to go!

AND Ciara it is amazing the amount of people who drive into the city center from the suburbs and dump their rubbish in the the dumpsters/huge wheelie bins found in inner city flat complexes so they dont have to pay bin charges, so keep your skanger name calling to yourself. As for the bags of cans – take it up with the gangs of teenagers that sit along the canal drinking, smoking hash and or using ecstacy and cocain, or does your bravery for derogatory name calling not stretch that far. LOL would love to see you walking into Oliver Bond or Sherrif Street and tell the people who live there that they are nothing but a dirty lazy gang of Dublin Skangers.

@ Damocles and anyone else that might be interested in the truth.

Us skangers that live in coroporation/council flats dont get the chance to recycle as we dont have Green wheely bins. As a matter of fact I live in a new complex and we have a huge composting machine in a shed in our yard. This obviously is for food and some paper wasste and it cost Dublin City Council 1.5 million euros. The machine hasnt been used once because the caretaker refuses to use it because he wasnt trained to do so and is not paid to do so!! A lot to be said about workers that need to go on training courses to learn how to flick a switch. Great example of how County Councils waste the tax payers money.

The reason they cannot do that is mentioned in the article, the offenders are not dumping documentation so cannot be identified

It would work by the Council/ Dept. matching addresses of SW recipients with those who have paid bin subscriptions. Send a few warning letters and if ignored, start deducting the bin charge from their weekly SW cheque. Could do same with PAYE workers by adjusting their tax credits. ( sorry but I suspect majority of offenders are not in work)

You know some of you really do disgust me with some of your comments such as

“why the Council can’t deduct refuse charges from these people’s social welfare payments”. People who live in council houses and flats PAY bin charges and it IS put on your rent, yes its true we do actually pay rent – its not free. As for your generous welfare payment!!! I dont know what country you live in but let me tell you that here in the real world that “generous” payment doesnt stretch very far. Answer you better to be talking about the overly paid fat cat politicians who are living the high life on your taxes. Fool

Bloody f.. As working middleclass I am poor….. I cannot afford any more….. The so called poor have more expendable income than I do and exemptions for all the duties I have to pay

Also, there has always been illegal rubbish dumping. The councils just had the money to deal with it in the boom times. Some people just won’t pay to have their bins removed, not can’t pay!

SW recipients do have to pay the yearly fee.

No they don’t, if you were entitled to free bin tags in the boom years, you don’t have to pay the yearly charge now. I know this because my parents don’t pay the yearly charge ( my Dad is on disability) but they still pay for bin tags. It was all outlined in a letter they received from Panda following the changeover. It explained how Panda would honour the yearly waiver SW recipients had received from the council but not the bin tags.

Thats not everyone on SW though.

Okay, but even if you do pay the yearly charge, you should still buy a tag and put your general waste in your black bin. I know greyhound are not honouring the breaks afforded to SW recipients but Panda seem to and that’s who collects where i live. So the degenerate next door to me doesn’t pay the yearly charge, lives a very comfortable life (courtesy of the tax payers) and still has the cheek to behave that way. This is some great country (if you’re not Irish that is)!

So employ 50% of population to kick Shyte out of other 50!!
That’s what’s not working!!

Nobody making anything producing any thing adding any value!!

Thats why we are broke!!

We need rid of all traffic wardens litter wardens, Irmo. Do you know that if
You have a business there are 50 separate government agencies to come. In with hand out!!

100 FG TD”s too many and FF in opposition being paid not actually providing any opposition at all!! Jokes on us suckers

Anel, I find myself hoping your drunk.

the tripe you’re spouting cand only come from a severely compromised mind.

Putting a full bag beside a overloaded bin is not dumping.
Let the council or whoever make sure they are emptied…… Someone actually made the “effort” to go to a bin as opposed to throw it willy nilly.

People often litter(aly) do not have a proper space do dispose of their waste.

ed dropping a full bag of household waste on the street is the definition of dumping, and not giving a damb about your community or the people in it. why should the people in that community in turn give a sh!t about those dumping….

True but the blue people next door who wrecked a house and left us with the vermin…. 25 euro a week rent… Allowance for a car… Except from Bin charges…. Allowance for… I kid you not…. Sky television…. Well I am paying for all that… as are many of you….
They will not have to pay property tax watercharges waste charges… Any cost for the landlord… Put in the rent … Will be paid for by me/you the working tax payers…

Its the world upside down… Like insuring your car against accidents with uninsured drivers…… Its always the lawabiding working sods that pay through the nose

They’re state assets, have to sell them off to pay for the bank guarantee.

they’ll still just leave the rubbish beside it.

It most definitely is dumping. Its in a residential area so its rubbish that should be going into household bins, but some selfish people would rather dump it on their community than pay their way. Its disgusting lazy and selfish. Another example is people leaving boxes of bottles at bottle banks cos they think its flippin beneath then to sort them into the bins. Removing the bins is a great idea, and it was at the residents request.

I am talking about the fact that in estates communal bins and recycling facilties are often full to the brim….. Not to mention trying to dispose of bottle on way from a to b.
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And I can imagine that some people cannot afford a binlift anymore….
I disabled the chip in my bin… As did half our estate….
I think a quarter full bin needs to be emptied for hygiene…. But that costs me a shiteload of money extra…..