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Explainer: Does Dublin need a directly-elected mayor and how likely is it?

It has been suggested for years, it even came close to happening two years ago but what chance a Boris Johnson or a Micheal Bloomberg for Dublin and Ireland’s other cities. TheJournal.ie investigates…

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FOR MANY YEARS it has been suggested the Dublin needs an elected mayor.

Just as London has Boris Johnson and New York has Michael Bloomberg, our own capital should have a figurehead who could have control over the city’s affairs.

“It is required. All great cities have a mayor,” environment minister John Gormley declared in early 2010, promising an election for a mayor of Dublin in the autumn of that year. But come the autumn, and then the winter of 2010, Ireland had far bigger concerns than an elected mayor for its capital. A bailout was on the cards.

Though legislation got before the Dáil and indeed all the way to committee stage in November of 2010 – the same month that the bailout was agreed – the Local Government (Mayor and Regional Authority of Dublin) Bill 2010 was scrapped by the current government when it came to power in March 2011 and since then we have heard little of the possibility of it happening.

But does Dublin need an elected mayor? If it does, what kind of powers would one have? Could Ireland’s other cities have such a figurehead? And what hope for any legislation that would provide for one being resurrected? TheJournal.ie explores…

Why does Dublin need an elected mayor?

Various public figures including the last environment minister and former Green Party leader John Gormley believed it was an idea that would have a very practical benefit for the people of Dublin if it were to happen.

Back when the legislation was in the offing in early 2010, the government at the time felt that schemes that Dubliners enjoy now, such as Bike to Work or Dublin Bikes, would have come on-stream – to use the jargon – more quickly had there been an elected mayor.

Systems such as the Dublin Bus app or the Real Time Information Service at bus stops would also have been more quickly and more efficiently set up. Rather than such issues being controlled by central government they would be the responsibility of a directly-elected mayor who would have the power to prioritise funding and push an agenda for the benefit of the city.

Current Lord Mayor of Dublin and prominent supporter of the elected mayor idea, Andrew Montague, explains: “Our current system is so cumbersome that people disengage from local politics, it’s very hard for them to influence what’s going on.

Councillors have very little executive power. They have influence but no executive power and city managers aren’t elected so it’s very difficult for public to have an influence. It’s poor democracy. At the moment the vast majority of people don’t have a clue who I am, they don’t know who they’re city manager is either.

“With a new system, you would have a directly-elected mayor every five years and if the public don’t like him or her they can vote him or her out of office or they can vote to keep him in if he or she is doing a good job.”

Montague believes that if the city had a figurehead – a Boris or a Bloomberg – it would also be beneficial in areas such as planning across the Dublin region, not just at a local council level where decisions can be taken to the detriment of other areas of the city. He cited the construction of Dundrum Town Centre as being detrimental to the city centre, particularly areas like Grafton Street.

An elected-mayor could also promote the city to outside organisations who want to host events in the city or to promote the city to tourists, Montague believes. A mayor needs to be in place for longer than the current one-year term, argues the Labour Party councillor: “You need to build up relationships. We’re not getting maximum value in terms of promoting our city.”

What kind of powers would they have?

The current programme for government makes no specific commitment to establishing an elected mayoral system in Dublin but does include a pledge to reform and develop local government which includes the merging of authorities in Limerick and Tipperary, and the merging of Waterford City and County councils – proposals that are both well under way.

The only solid proposal to actually establish the office of an elected mayor in Dublin was contained in the Fianna Fáil/Green Party programme for government hammered out in 2007 which committed to holding an election for such an office. This commitment was maintained in the renewed programme for government in October 2009 which said that an election would be held the following year.

The idea was seen as a particular pet project of Gormley who eventually brought forward legislation to provide for an elected mayor in the capital in 2010. The law as drafted provides the clearest indication of what kind of powers the office would have. The mayor would hold some executive powers in areas such as housing, waste management and water services, they would also chair the Dublin Transport Authority.

In January 2010, Environment Minister John Gormley said that the mayoral election would take place within six months, a measure which would “raise the profile of Dublin, enhance local democracy and accountability, and lead the provision of a more effective and integrated public service across the city and region”.

The Labour Party councillor Dermot Looney has done an excellent job in summarising just what an elected mayor for Dublin would do in this post on DublinObserver.com in September 2010, a recommended read for anyone who is really interested in the nitty gritty of the role.

But broadly, the law provided for the establishment of a Regional Authority of Dublin (RAD) which would have 16 members including the Mayor who would act as its chair. Also on the authority would be the four chairs of the local authorities i.e. the Lord Mayor of Dublin City Council, the Mayors of South Dublin and Fingal County Councils, and the Cathaoirleach of Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council. There would be five other members of the RAD who would be appointed from Dublin City Council, and two each from South Dublin, Fingal and Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown County councils.

The RAD and therefore its chair, the elected mayor, would have influence in five main areas including the general functions of the office, planning guidelines, waste management services, water services and housing. There would also be some control over aspects of transport and enterprise in the region.

Unlike, for example the Mayor of London, there was no provision for the mayor’s involvement in areas such as policing, health, and education and there would be no independent budget. A mayor would operate under existing budgets that current councils operate under but it was envisioned that the overall budget would be increased with the implementation of property and water charges. Most important, it was the belief that an elected mayor could prioritise funding where it was needed.

As well as this, a chief executive would be appointed who would act as a ‘super manager’ that could be hired and, if necessary, fired by the mayor. But this would only be with the consent of the Minister of Environment.

What about our other cities? Limerick, Galway, Waterford and Cork?

Though the proposed legislation only provided for a mayor in Dublin, it was Gormley’s hope that such an idea could also work in Limerick, his party colleague Dan Boyle went further in 2009 suggesting that such an office could be set up in the country’s four other cities.

“I am open to contesting any future elections that might happen in the cities of Cork, Galway, Limerick and Waterford, which will follow under subsequent legislation,” he told the Seanad, appearing to throw his hat in the ring for any future elections in other parts of the country. What chance that now, we wonder?

It’s unlikely we’d have a mayor in Limerick for example before there would be one in Dublin. Ultimately, it would most likely be a case of seeing whether the experiment worked in the capital before allowing for it to set up in other cities.

Lord Mayor Montague believes that the issue of planning in and around cities makes an elected mayor just as appropriate in other parts of the country: “There is a need for stronger regional planning, he said. “Limerick would be a great example of where a mayor could have a powerful role and work well.”

But, presumably not everyone thinks this is a great idea?

Certainly not. The specific legislation came at time when the country was in great economic turmoil in the aftermath of the bank guarantee and austerity budgets. It’s fair to say the vocal Fine Gael and Labour opposition did not think that the unpopular government of the day should be prioritising the election of a mayor in Dublin when there were more pressing matters.

“This Bill is a sham and a distraction brought into the House at this time to distract people from other issues and direct them to something which they can say is wonderful and could be good for the country,” Fine Gael TD Bernard Durkan told the Dáil in November 2010 as the legislation was being debated.

“It is not good if this Bill is going to be railroaded through just to keep the Green Party in the Government and at the expense of local democracy,” Joanna Tuffy, Labour, said during the same debate.

Legitimate concerns were raised about the bill, it was not just obstructed because of the unpopularity of the government. On the face of it some would say this proposed law did not go far enough in giving real power to a mayor, equally at the other end of the spectrum some argued that it was just another layer of bureaucracy in already bloated local authority.

Fundamentally, it would have been another politician and politicians aren’t popular. This was about creating another position for a politician and that undoubtedly was one barrier to it happening particularly at that time when the government’s popularity was as low as it was.

Speaking to TheJournal.ie former environment minister John Gormley outlined another reason: “I don’t think they (Labour and Fine Gael) were enthusiastic about. It wasn’t going to cost the money they claimed. It was about €5 million or €6 million, so it was a relatively small amount of money but they had already made out that this was going to cost the taxpayer a fortune.”

There were also indications that Fianna Fáil were not full on board with the idea. This was very much a Green Party proposal, a concession perhaps to the junior coalition partner. Polls apparently showed no Fianna Fáil candidate could win any election leading the party to never really consider the idea before it went into government with the Greens.

Gormley’s bill got to committee stage but in the same month as it was being debated in the Dáil, the government was dealing with the ongoing talk that the country would need a bailout and so it transpired before the month was out. The Bill was put on hold as the Greens pulled out of government and the current administration scrapped it when they came to power in March 2011.

So what hope for having an elected mayor now?

As mentioned, there are no firm proposals for a law to bring about an elected mayor in Dublin or any other city at present. Last month, Environment Minister Phil Hogan told the Dáil that directly elected mayors would be considered in the context of the reform of local government but no conclusions had yet been reached.

Montague hopes that the Minister will make his intentions clear before the summer recess in mid-July: “I hope directly elected mayors is part of what he is proposing but it remains to be seen,” he said, adding that he would be “very interested” in running for the position.

For Gormley, he is in no doubt that one is needed and thinks that eventually the city of Dublin and possibly the country’s other cities will have a directly-elected mayor.

“Cities that work well have got mayors,” he told TheJournal.ie this week. “This city is just lacking coordination in so many areas. It is just mind boggling at times, the two Luas lines are not connected, the sewage treatment plant debacle, the incinerator contract debacle…

“There is no political oversight in this city. The way it is structured you’ve got a city manager who is accountable to nobody. We’ve got a major problem. Until the whole issue of accountability and responsibility is sorted we’re going to have a city that doesn’t work.”

Poll: Do you want to have directly-elected mayors in Ireland?


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Comments (20 Comments)

  • it got me thinking, do we need the amount of elected politicians in the dail at present. imagine the saving with a cut of 20% on wages, pensions and the famous expenses. there’s a saving that wouldn’t effect education or health etc

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  • Elected mayors with full executive authority in every city would be a good idea. Of course it would facilitate the sacking of the dictatorial officials such as Town and City Managers, which would only have to be good.

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  • The question really is: does Dublin work in the current system? Uncoordinated developer lead planning with four rival planning authorities; transport planning disasters like the unconnected Luas; the grotty and unkempt appearance of College Green/ Westmoreland St/ Dame St- despite a decade of economic prosperity; it seems clear to me the various councils are incapable of making the city work at a world class level, and a directly elected mayor capable of implementing a coherent vision might be the way forward.

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  • Torpedo 20/05/12 #

    Do the local guys have any real power? Are they really needed? It’s usually the county manager who says what’s going to happen.

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  • I think it could be good. Dublin’s services are a shambles, and are inadequate for a capital city. A mayor could at least take everything under one umbrella and run them in conjunction with hopefully better streamlined outcomes.

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  • We need leadership in the Dublin Region
    Dublin now accounts for 47% of National GDP and its Gross Value added is 40% higher than the national average. Like it or not, our national economy is dependent on Dublin’s future success. It’s our only City with international competitive scale. What is good for the City regions can be equally good for all the country.

    Roads, waste, water, transports, tourism, the economy, the draw of mega retail centres know no city our county boundaries. Therefore we must have an overreaching guardian of the public interest to make sure things connect and make sense across a united Greater Dublin City Region. We must have a leader who holds the vision for the City. We must have a leader who is accountable to us – the public.

    The top 10 cities on the Mercers most liveable index are led by Mayors elected by the public. Is that a coincidence? Is it a coincidence that the Mayors of London and Rio de Janeiro were the prime movers in winning the Olympic games for their cities ? Who would be the Juliani of Dublin if we had a 9/11 event in Dublin ? Who would lead the charge to convince the Tourists that we were open for business.

    Wal-Mart’s staff numbers are about the same as the population of Dublin. Imagine if Wal-Mart went to the stock exchange and said “we have some of the best talent in the world and we reckon that we can be a self managing entity, we don’t need a leader”. Would you sell or hold that share ? with out a CEO in place. Is’nt this how we run the Dublin Region?

    Why does our City have the same population as Copenhagen but a commute footprint that is 8 times the size? Why do we continue centralizing drug and alcohol addiction services in the very heart our City and core tourist districts ? Why not work harder to find community based solutions ? Why has integrated ticketing and park and ride facilities taken so long ? Why does a Cinema on the Capitals main street which was burn down during the papal visit still lie derelict, after 33 years?

    These problems are not necessarily difficult to solve. Why have’nt they been addressed ? Could this be due to lack of local power and leadership and accountability? We have lots of smart people in this City, but it takes leadership to join all the dots in a coherent way. In a way that motivates people and gives them a common purpose.

    The critics will claim that we can’t afford another layer of bureaucracy and costs. I agree – But can we afford: 4 planning departments in our City, 4 County Enterprise Boards, 4 Corporate Services Departments, 4 City Managers, and that’s only starters. Can we really afford 130 councillors playing for the Dublin team? Remember it’s your rates and taxes coming out of your pocket.

    This idea is not about additional expense, It’s not about doing away with the position of Lord Mayor or getting into the Mansion House. Its not about re-inventing the wheel. It is about enabling the Dublin City region to realise its potential and to do so we must have the right leadership with the right powers to lead that change. Leading the country is a very different job to leading a city region.

    If we want transformation to make Dublin a top 20 global global city, we need this change, otherwise, we will continue to muddle through.

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  • While I’m not decided about the post being elected or not, I think the post of Lord Mayor should definitely be for more than one year anyway as it’s hard to get anything turned around within one year. Andrew Montague, our current Lord Mayor, has implemented a number of important changes in the small time he has in office but I’m sure would be able to do a lot more if he had more time.
    We have to remember to take care of our own cities, if we let things fall on a local level, things will be even worse on a national level.

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  • I voted yes, i think cities could benefit from Mayors. It’s something I think the benefits of having one outweigh why not to have one. As the article states funding can be distributed more efficiently than waiting for central government to do it.

    However, as much as I believe a mayor is a force for good, I don’t believe we should be making additional funds available that aren’t there. A mayor needs a wage, an office, a team of people (who all need wages), expenses etc. In a time where Ireland is scrimping by we don’t need to see money we don’t have going into funding something the country has gone without for years. Unless government officials take pay cuts in order to pay for it, it shouldn’t be done anytime soon. There’d be more balance in finances if we continue the way we are than setting this up, making a loss etc.

    The other thing I’d change is I think a candidate for the position shouldn’t be associated with a political party. I think this because it’d be fairer to the country, the mayor and even the government. If the mayor isn’t associated with a party the government don’t benefit from any positive things coming from the mayor, the government won’t be able to use the mayor as a scapegoat if he was aligned with the opposition and the electoral process won’t suffer from party conflicts as we witnessed after the last general election where even loyal FF voters voted for the opposition in protest.

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    • What if the mayor is able to save money for the city while in office (fir example the Leap card system cost €55m euro- the 5-6m cost of a mayor mentioned on the article is tiny compared to this, and the mayor could implement schemes like this in a more streamlined way). Also, the office could generate revenue for the city- for example by finally improving our public domain, tourism would increase as the product we offer tourists improves.

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  • Say what you like about the Green Party but they are the only ones with a coherent plan for the much needed reform of local government without which we will continue to have the national parliament dominated by local, parochial issues.

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  • Not needed.

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  • we could get rid of all lord mayors in Ireland, this would save a fortune in cuts

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  • Would be just another layer of Fianna Failure/ Blueshirt talking shops.

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  • This would be a complete waste of money. Just like our General Elections are a complete waste of money.

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  • Have we not got enough elected wasters

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  • I voted NO, not because I’m against the idea in principal, but because to be honest I think local government as it currently is constituted is a bit of a shambles and what’s the point in adding yet another layer to it. All it will lead to in the current situation is more administration, confusion over who has responsibility to deliver services and fighting as the different level try to keep control of what they already do.

    Local Government in Ireland needs to be reformed completely. For a country our size we should really have only around 8 or 9 regional councils and those councils should have considerable financial means to deliver local services and more of them. While some services would have to operate in conjunction with national bodies it would put the focus of day to day delivery back at a local level, thus freeing up the national parliament to deal with issues on a national basis.

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