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Sale of Irish forest ‘cannot be justified’ on economic grounds

Economist Peter Bacon says the rationale for the proposed sale of Coillte harvesting rights “no longer stands up”.

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ECONOMIST PETER BACON has said there is no justification for selling Coillte’s harvesting rights to raise money to pay off State debts.

According to his company’s analysis, the economic rationale for the proposed sale of the State-owned forests “no longer stands up and cannot be justified”.

The report, commissioned by the Coillte branch of the Impact trade union, says the State would remain liable for costs of €1.3 billion following a sale of harvesting rights. To cover these costs, which include the funding of the agency’s future deficit and its pension deficit, Coillte would need to sell at €78 per square metre, which is “well above current or recent prices”.

The Government’s “decision in principal” would see the future sale of 75 per cent of Coillte timber for a period of 80 years.

“There is no basis in these prices for assuming that this would be achieved,” continued the report, entitled Assessment of the Consequences of the Proposed Sale of Coillte’s Timber Harvesting Rights. “This means that, rather than generating State income, a sale of Coillte harvesting rights would represent a substantial cost to the exchequer.”

The report emphasised that the proposal has not been “fully articulated” and the representations made are based on the consultants’ understanding of statements made thus far.

“At the start it is important to be clear that the only rationale that has been put forward is that this would raise liquid funds and there is nothing in existing Irish forestry policy nor in any strategic review of the sector that would support such a sale.”

There is also little in the way of international experience to guide the Irish decision, according to Bacon.

The report says the overall result of the Government’s proposal would effectively liquidate Coillte as a viable entity.

The analysis shows that the actual gains from the proposed sale would be limited, even in the short term, while there would be considerable longer term liabilities created with a lot of uncertainty regarding the full range of impacts.

“Given the non-commercial activities of Coillte and the residual land and forest that would need to be managed, it should be seen as a proposal to restructure Coillte as a National Parks Service that will depend on a state subsidy to carry out its obligations. However, no argument has been formulated to support such a move and, when viewed as such, the economic rationale for the sale disappears.”

The research also outlines other economic risks associated with the proposals including the potential to disrupt the Irish timber processing sector, due to lack of certainty over future supply. It says job losses, which could arise in the processing industry if timber were exported without processing in Ireland, would add to future costs to the State.

The proposal is an abrupt change in Irish forestry policy to the extent that it could greatly disrupt the sector and make the objectives that have been set unattainable. There are risks associated with this that go beyond the normal risks that can be associated with projections of timber prices.

“These include the potential to disrupt the processing sector, a possible cost factor that was not included in the assessment of costs. It is possible to envisage some options to minimise this potential, such as a piecemeal approach to the sale using a policy that could be soon reversed or a conditional sale, but it is unlikely that such options would have any real value in practice.”

12/8/2010 Pine woods on Wicklow Mountains

(Image: Photocall Ireland)

Last week, RTÉ’s Ear to the Ground examined the Troika’s recommendation for Ireland to sell of State assets, including Coillte land and timber harvesting rights.

Reporter Darragh McCullough travelled to Ballybofey in Donegal to look at how 1,100 acres of forest has been put up for sale to help raise money to pay down the State’s debt.

“They seem to be selling off the family silver, without looking at what could have been left behind in the community,” John Gallagher of Glenfin Area Council told the programme. “Of course it’s about money….any semi-State organisation will have some conscious about the local environment and the community. Someone there for profit will not have the same conscience.”

23/5/2010. Killinthomas Woods

(Image: Photocall Ireland)

The programme also heard that access to private forest in Ireland is much more restricted than in other countries, which could impact people’s recreational habits if more land was sold off.

Coillte is currently quite lenient and provides a public service but private owners would not be under any legal obligation to allow members of the public into their forests.

Watch Ear to the Ground from Thursday, 24 January>

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Comments (64 Comments)

  • made 29/01/13 #

    Well if it’s not worth doing then you can be sure this government will go ahead and do it and then blame the troika and say “Oh but we had no choice”

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    • When are we going to get Merkels jackboot off our neck?

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    • Strongbow

      When the failed teacher stops kissing her behind grows a pair and says NO, I am here to look after the Irish citizens.

      So that would be never!

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    • mattoid 29/01/13 #

      Having the family silver robbed springs to mind…

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    • You can help stop any sale of certain Coillte forests by claiming your ownership right for the tree that was planted for you during the People’s Millenium Forest project. Learn more about this and the potential for Agroforestry to mitigate against climate change in Ireland on http://www.Trillions.ie (Native Forestry)

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    • Julie 29/01/13 #

      What exactly are they trying to do, sell of everything in Ireland to pay this debt at all cost, what will we be left with only private companies owning everything we have. I have had enough of it, my country being destroyed to pay back illegal debts, yes illegal no contact to state that if bank can’t pay private investors we do.

      How are we going to stop the stupid actions of the government?

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    • The eu do not want to help us they want all our money and land

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    • I planted a tree in my garden last year. My European neighbour has being eyeing it jealously ever since. Now I have been ordered by my local authority to uproot it and hand it over, oh and also pay him for the privilege. Now he wants my house, the keys to my car and my first born. Sure I might as well hand them over, sure their not worth fighting over.

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    • this is more of the looting that is being inflicted on the people by the officer class that is running this country the use the goverment media machine to brainwash the people ,and the general media are in bed with them ,so to do some brainwashing of your own make up posters saying a vote for FF FG LAB GREENS IS A VOTE FOR BANKERS BONDHOLDERS put them up in trees balconys windows cars cross roads and watch there death grip loosen on the people.

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    • Julie,
      CAPTA , the Campaign Against Property Tax and Austerity (formerly the anti Household tax campaign) is organising the fight against this unjust tax and the austerity program generally being imposed on the Irish people to pay for the gambling losses of the financial speculators. The austerity agenda includes the enforced sale of State assets like Coillte under duress from the Troika. Please go along to your local meetings and get involved.
      http://nohouseholdtax.org/

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    • Julie 29/01/13 #

      Thanks I will do. I’m am so sick if it . Enough like. They are already trying to sell off our children as debt slaves and they will ensure their is no turning back or being a self sufficient country if we can’t sustain ourselves. I look at Norway and it makes me realise what a massive mistake we are making selling off our natural resources to private business. Look at water a private business will own that, they are not interested in the welfare of the people they Are interested in generating revenue for their shareholders that’s how business works. Don’t even get me started on our oil. What kind of simple minded idiots did we have running our country and still do. Makes me despair for the future.

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    • Asset Stripping an I.M.F game currently being played by the Government ye the people voted in and will probably keep in office this term and next .Sad but true.Unless.

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  • Gerard 29/01/13 #

    This country seems to sink lower and lower

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  • Another state privatisation shambles me thinks. As the comment above says though, the govt will do it regardless and simply blame the troika bogeymen. Isn’t bertie aherns company one of the ones looking to buy?

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  • B Lowe 29/01/13 #

    Hands off our ents!

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  • Fools 29/01/13 #

    Irish goverment would slut out the nation if it got its way. No matter what anyone says including the most loyal fg and labour die hards both parties have betrayed its people and sold us all out. Yes fianna fail did the same etc.

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  • Is there anything we the people can do to prevent this from happening?

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  • Great, one of the last enjoyable things left in this country is up for grabs. But what do politicians care it’s not like they use them for running, hiking and recreation! It literally makes me feel ill this is even up for debate.

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  • Forget about the bank debts, thats chump change to these financial terrorists, asset stripping is their forte. This whole fiasco of ladeing a country with massive debts and then taking control of their state assets has been fine tuned over the last 50 years from Latin America to Africa to Asia. Our energy reserves alone are worth potentially trillions and everything else is a bonus. The way they succeed is through a complicit government and an elite that are throw a few scraps to keep them accustomed to the life they live. What they dont like is a well informed, educated public that is capable of critical thinking. Whether we have that is debatable, certainley dont see it among the younger generation, they’d only be up in arms if someone tried to corrupt the xfactor.

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    • Julie 29/01/13 #

      Totally agree, I am a young person and shocked by the lack of understanding of this issue amongst people my age. Disgraced when max keiser spoke of a young person in Ireland saying we are morally oblige to pay this debt. I wish more people my age would show an interest.

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    • Derek i agree with your point that this is a plan by the the bankers and the officer class but the biggest problem we have in this country is the media has gone under the bed and all people have to talk about is what they heard on the RTE news at six o clock and nine ,and we know this news is very biased and they would never say a word against their pay masters .

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    • Without doubt Dermot, the media in this country is shocking, we got some good journalists but all are hamstrung by either state run media or agenda driven press. Although times are a changing, alternative media is on the up and the difference even on this site to a year ago is heartening, but time is running out and thats why the elite are so brazen about it now, they dont even try to disguise it, their utter contempt for us is clear to see cause they think they’ve won. I hope not.

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  • asset stripping to pay the debts of gamblers
    we have sunk to a new low

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  • Our waters, our oil and now our forests. Are our children to be left with nothing but debt?

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  • Sure why not rape our natural resources one more time, were handing away our oil to the oil rich Norwegians, why not hand away the land as well!!!????

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  • This is the guy who came up with Nama. Since when has he become economically ethical?

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  • Looks like Bertie and his buddies have found a way out of the closet. They will strip the land and not replant. Ireland will look like a scene from Mad Max 2.

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  • It is only the wrong thing to do if you believe that the Government is there to serve the people’s interest.
    When you realise that they are there to serve the privileged elite, it all makes perfect sense.

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  • Here is one to watch….

    Bertie is chairman of The International Forestry Fund

    http://www.forestry-fund.com/who-we-are/who-we-are.html

    Here’s an extract from their web site;

    IFS Asset Managers Limited was established in Dublin in 1997 and specializes in forestry asset management. It currently manages in excess of over €110 million of forestry assets on behalf of over 18,000 private and corporate clients in Ireland and europe and has a successful track record of generating solid returns over the last fifteen years from its series of Irish Forestry Funds. IFS is the Forest Asset Manager to the International Forestry Fund.

    Wonder who would win the bid to buy Coilte?
    Bertie would be running our Forests?

    Watch this space….

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  • We already have the 2nd smallest forests per land mass in Europe. What exactly will left?

    http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-forest-area-577152-Aug2012/

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  • This is the work of the Chicago Boys style of Economics. Everyone should read the book Shock Therapy by Naomi Klein. Then we’ll all know what’s in store for us Irish when the IMF get their way.

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  • The Jolly Banker
    Words and Music by Woody Guthrie

    My name is Tom Cranker and I’m a jolly banker,
    I’m a jolly banker, jolly banker am I.
    I safeguard the farmers and widows and orphans,
    Singin’ I’m a jolly banker, jolly banker am I.

    When dust storms are sailing, and crops they are failing,
    I’m a jolly banker, jolly banker am I.
    I check up your shortage and bring down your mortgage,
    Singin’ I’m a jolly banker, jolly banker am I.

    When money you’re needing, and mouths you are feeding,
    I’m a jolly banker, jolly banker am I.
    I’ll plaster your home with a furniture loan,
    Singin’ I’m a jolly banker, jolly banker am I.

    If you show me you need it, I’ll let you have credit,
    I’m a jolly banker, jolly banker am I.
    Just bring me back two for the one I lend you,
    Singin’ I’m jolly banker, jolly banker am I.

    When your car you’re losin’, and sadly your cruisin’,
    I’m a jolly banker, jolly banker am I.
    I’ll come and forclose, get your car and your clothes,
    Singin’ I’m jolly banker, jolly banker am I.

    When the bugs get your cotton, the times they are rotten,
    I’m jolly banker, jolly banker am I.
    I’ll come down and help you, I’ll rape you and scalp you,
    Singin’ I’m jolly banker, jolly banker am I.

    When the landlords abuse you, or sadly misuse you,
    I’m jolly banker, jolly banker am I.
    I’ll send down the police chief to keep you from mischief,
    Singin’ I’m jolly banker, jolly banker am I

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  • Presumably if Peter Bacon thought that it *WAS* “economically viable” he would be quite happy to recommend the sale of Ireland’s forests. Isnt Peter Bacon great, Ted.

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  • Coillte ‘branch’… Like it.

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  • I’m not a conspiracy theorist but if you have the time and you’re bored watch zeitgeist and zeitgeist addendum. Addendum is mostly about how banks and the IMF etc work. Very interesting particularly when they have experts explain how countries end up indebted and have to sell off their assets.

    http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

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    • Julie 29/01/13 #

      Neither am I but you can’t really call something a conspiracy theory when there are facts to back it up. Documentary called fall of the republic is very good.

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  • Again , i’m not surprised by this …….strip all the assets and then walk away and find something to sell off …..as a regular user of my local Coillte forest ,it saddens me to see this happening …and believe me it will happen , as someone has already said , our “leaders” have been told to do this , so they will and then hold their hands up and say “we had no choice”……sickening to see ”so called” irish politicians with so little backbone……

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    • James its not that they do not have any back bone they just plainly corrupt .

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    • chilli16 29/01/13 #

      Big for sale sign posted on forest right beside my family home. As far as i know its a privately owned forest and sign only went up about a month ago! now who would suddenly want to buy a forest in these poor economic times? Hmmmmm……I’d say these signs will start to pop up in a lot of places.

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  • The forests do NOT belong to the govt. to sell, they belong to to the people of Ireland. Since when have any of the gombeens who currently ‘govern’ (and I say that with utter disdain) have any right to sell these forests. Did any of them include this in their party manifestos? The current cabal of shysters would sell their own grannies if they thought they could make a buck. When the Tory/Lib Dem coalition attempted to do the same in the UK they were forced into a humiliating U turn because the people of the UK said NO WAY, the made it crystal clear to their MP’s that they would vote them out if they did not drop the plan. It worked, and if they can do in the UK then they can do it in Ireland. The sickening sight of that parasitical Bertie Ahern being involved with one of the companies set to profit from the sale should also have alarm bells ringing all over the place, if he has any involvement in it then it can only be bad for Ireland and the Irish people!

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  • So how do we stop this gov. selling our forests? This cannot be allowed to happen

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  • ‘The Troika made us do it’! It’s a bit old at this stage Fine Gael and Labour.

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  • Tús Nua 29/01/13 #

    Our land our trees our investment should be our profit

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  • Nydon 29/01/13 #

    Hang on people. Don’t be too hasty. With the proceeds from the sale, we could buy back eircom and use it to (eventually) bring decent broadband to the nation.
    I’m sure the international investors have extracted all the profit they can out of that by now and would be glad to sell it back to us – if we were interested in investing.

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  • Take action now join the 32,580.000 who have signed the petition to save the Irish forests, go to “woodlandleaque.org” and help stop this madness.

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