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Revealed: the full cost of dumping our outgoing government TDs

The first-year pensions of the 41 Fianna Fáil and Green TDs who failed to keep their seats underlines the price of change.

The Fianna Fáil parliamentary party, in 2008: 35 of the party's outgoing TDs failed to win reelection.
The Fianna Fáil parliamentary party, in 2008: 35 of the party's outgoing TDs failed to win reelection.
Image: Niall Carson/PA Archive

Updated, March 19

THE 41 OUTGOING TDs from Fianna Fáil and the Green Party who tried – and failed – to keep their seats in the Dáil will be comforted with payoffs with over €5.5 million between them.

The TDs – 35 of whom were from Fianna Fáil, while all six outgoing Greens also lost their seats – will benefit from a combined first-year payoff of €5,547,335.92, according to figures compiled by TheJournal.ie.

Those first-year payoffs include ministerial severance payments for defeated ministers Mary Coughlan, Mary Hanafin and Pat Carey, as well as former Green ministers John Gormley and Eamon Ryan who only become entitled to their ministerial severances having lost their Dáil seats.

First-year totals also include the lump sum from their TDs’ pensions – the equivalent to three years of their annual pensions – as well as severance payments in respect of their time as deputies.

For every year thereafter, the beaten TDs will receive pensions, between their ministerial and parliamentary payments, of €1,653,263.27.

The top earner is beaten Tánaiste Mary Coughlan - having served three years as Tánaiste and six years previously as a minister, while having spent 24 years a TD, her golden handshake is €303,357 – while she will benefit to the tune of €130,162 every year thereafter.

Next are longstanding former ministers Mary O’Rourke, beaten in Longford Westmeath, and fallen former Ceann Comhairle John O’Donoghue: each has more than a decade of ministerial experience, as well as over 20 years serving as a TD: meaning each can enjoy an initial payoff of €301,489.15 to soften the blow of electoral defeat.

Dick Roche, who was beaten after a comprehensive recheck in Wicklow, receives a first-year payout of €265,279, while beaten ministers Mary Hanafin and Pat Carey will receive 242,105 and €231,344 respectively in their first twelve months out of office.

Proving the value of extended careers on the back benches, Michael Ahern and Frank Fahey both receive €226,487 in initial redundancy, and €€53,291 for every year thereafter.

John Gormley is the best-performing of the Greens – as the party’s second longest-serving TD, and the one with the longest ministerial career, he receives €203,392 in the next twelve months, while Eamon Ryan is entitled to €134,792 for the same period.

If all 42 had been re-elected, and both Fianna Fáil and the Greens had ended up in opposition, their combined salaries would have reached just under €4m, including leaders’ and whip’s allowances.

New Oireachtas regulations state that former ministers who are returned to the next Dáil will not gain their ministerial pensions until after retirement from politics; in previous years, that bill would have been higher as 22 of the defeated TDs had experience in the cabinet, or as ministers of state.

A number of the fallen TDs – the likes of ousted junior ministers Barry Andrews, for example – will not receive all of their allowances immediately; TDs do not receive pensions until they turn 50, though they can accept reduced pensions at 45.

Ministerial pensions, meanwhile, are also not paid to retirees under 50 – or until they turn 65, in the case of defeated TDs who first took ministerial office after 2004.

Our total does not include TDs who had already announced their intentions to step down at the 2011 election, or who had failed to win their party’s nomination to seek re-election.

The numbers given are also pre-tax – though deputies do not pay any tax on their pension lump sums, which peak at €159,873 for TDs who have served twenty years or more in the Dáil.

What’s your beaten government TD going to earn? View our full list >

Note: This story originally appeared with the headline figure of €7,065,176, though this was based on calculations that mistakenly included one TD who had retained their seat, and an inappropriate interpretation of the rules on termination payments. Our thanks to the readers who spotted our errors.

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Comments (29 Comments)

  • Saoilí 01/03/11 #

    Do we have to? I mean, can’t the new Government just refuse to give this to them? If they can’t find a new job, sher there’s always the dole.

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    • I was wondering the same thing myself last week.
      As the various Politicians were ‘fired’ they still walk away with their pockets lined. . . The rest of us are accountable within our job roles …. if we make a mistake and it costs the company financially then there are expected repercussions … and our history follows us.

      What can we do about this lot? … There has to be something that we can do … surely, no-one would be allowed walk away from the criminal dealings that have occurred?

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  • They have revolutions in other countries, we just pay them off.

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  • Shame ! shame ! shame !

    Imagine the outcome if they used that nasty (private industy) concept of performance assessment linked directly to reward or dismissal ??

    Now I understand why calamity Coughlan was smiling as she lost her seat.

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  • They can have their pensions at 68 like the rest of us…..

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  • Can’t believe this, its so typical. When was this brought in as policy? Its actually laughable that they get humiliated in an election, finally booted out of government but we have to pay them for the priviledge of getting rid of them. The government really has been doing a number on this country for years. If you lose your dail seat, it should be a case of, better luck next time, here’s €2.50 for the luas, don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out,

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  • This is why we are despised across Europe – fat cats feeding off borrowed money.

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  • We shouldnt pay them a cent they squandered “the boom”& increased their own pay to the highest in E. U. They should be fined for sabotaging our econony & and made do free community work !!!

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  • And whats wrong with jobseekers allowance ?
    I know 1000s of people who have lost their jobs just like this bunch and they have to claim €188 per week
    So why are these doing the same they had jobs they lost them so now they are jobseekers ????????

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  • Sorry, aren’t these the LOSERS? This is so wrong!
    For everyone else- workers get paid less and longer before they retire – disabled get paid less – those unfortunates who lose their jobs are paid less – people are losing their homes – pension funds are under economic pressure – children are paid less – young people have no prospect of work at home and are paid less – there seems to be a pattern here
    Until – losers get paid a fortune and then it gets paid every year for the rest of their lives – pattern dies.
    So wrong!

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  • I was much happier before reading this. Thanks Journal!

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  • Shame on them all and this just goes to prove they should never be voted into office again while these unfair an unjust pay offs apply. If they really did have Irelands welfare and economy interests at heart as they have so claimed, then each and every one of them should recline these pay offs. I know you might say that they have families they need to look after nobody would mind if there was a reasonable pay off but come on this is just a joke.

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  • I guess this is what they call twisting the knife?

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  • Thank you for providing this. Where did you get the information? It would be interesting to see a table of standard TD and minister salaries and other benefits, and a description of how they accrue the enormous benefits you’ve outlined in this article. I tried a quick google on this but didn’t find the data.

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    • Patrick – the formula for working out the allowances was gotten through the Oireachtas press department over a lengthy period of time.

      Essentially, the First-Year amount is comprised of:
      - Ministerial pension (there is no severance, though it can be taken in lieu of the pension)
      - Three years’ lump sum of parliamentary pension
      - Parliamentary severance payments – 75% of monthly wage for first six months, 50% of monthly wage for the next six months

      Annual thereafter is the parliamentary pension and the annual ministerial one, if a person qualifies for one.

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    • Thanks Gavan. It’s pretty ridiculous that this information isn’t more readily accessible.

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  • Where is the Political Appetite to MAKE THEM PAY. Our F. FAILED friends were quick to Invent a brand new Bankers TAX overnight

    I wonder will anyone have the balls to propose a similar Fat Cat tax on those who were dumped this week.

    Or is it a case of Let THEM EAT CAKE while the ordinary folk Starve

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  • I always wonder how someone “earning” the kind of money our politicians earn, could possibly sit at a table and discuss cutting carers allowance, children’s allowance, student nurse payment etc. etc. etc. It really takes a certain type of temperement, or maybe, just a brass neck.

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  • any danger there might be additional hidden costs like cars and drivers and at what cost? the public will revolt soon.

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    • No doubt there could be other costs and the like, though as far as I’m aware it’s only former Taoisigh that are entitled to drivers and the like, and neither Bertie Ahern nor Brian Cowen is included in the above list.

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  • 1447 Former Green TD Eamon Ryan has told RTÉ’s News At One that both he and John Gormley have decided to put their severance payments towards the party and funding green issues.

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  • Sean 01/03/11 #

    Is there a central location for this information?
    What are Bertie’s numbers?

    He’s gotta beat Coughlan on the yearly figure.
    30 years in, 15-odd as Taoiseach.

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  • this is precisely why they negotiated the imf bailout.

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  • For anyone wondering, I’ve worked out Brian Cowen’s as follows:

    YEAR 1
    €321,746.31

    YEAR 2 onward:
    €139,569.51

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  • No performance incentive for these guys whatsoever, no result based compensation. If you’re part of this mafia, then it’s enough you show up in Leinster House once in a while, to guarantee you a royal pay – how you perform, what your results are versus goals and objectives (as is the case for all of us working in the industry), doesn’t matter a bit. They should be ashamed!

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  • does Dick return to his pensionable job and dog eared lecture folder in UCD?

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  • Money well spent, if we never see these bastards again.

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  • great piece of public information on the cost of the cleanout, it would be interesting to know what mary hanafin and dinny mcginley have accrued/recieved in pensions from the department of education.

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