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Government tastes defeat in committee vote over Anglo promissory note

The government loses a committee vote over whether to hold a hearing with Patrick Honohan – its first defeat since taking office.

Fine Gael and Labour lost a vote in the Oireachtas finance committee - even though Peter Mathews (pictured), who tabled the motion, voted against it himself.
Fine Gael and Labour lost a vote in the Oireachtas finance committee - even though Peter Mathews (pictured), who tabled the motion, voted against it himself.
Image: Leon Farrell/Photocall Ireland

THE GOVERNMENT has been defeated in an Oireachtas vote this evening for the first time since taking office – in a tight vote over the controversial Anglo Irish Bank promissory notes.

The Fine Gael and Labour members of the Oireachtas’ all-party finance committee were beaten by 11 votes to 9 on whether to seek a hearing with Patrick Honohan, the governor of the Central Bank to whom the notes are owed, before the end of March.

The proposal was passed with the support of Fianna Fáíl, Sinn Féín and independent members of the committee – even though the government commands a 16-11 majority of the committee’s 27 members, which reflects the parties’ strengths in the combined Dáil and Seanad.

In a roll call vote, the government parties were beaten by 11 votes to 9 – with Fine Gael TD Peter Mathews, who had tabled the proposal himself, voting against his own motion in line with the party whip.

The proposal means that the committee will seek evidence from Honohan before March 23, during the Dáil’s recess – crucially, in the week before the first repayment on the controversial promissory notes, of €3.1 billion, is due.

Fianna Fáil senator Thomas Byrne, a member of the committee, said on Twitter that a number of government members had been late in arriving at the committee room when the vote was called – and were locked out of the room when members were called by name to indicate their votes.

This evening’s meeting would have also coincided with the weekly meeting of the Fine Gael parliamentary party, which would have accounted for the absence of 10 Fine Gael members.

Unprecented

This morning in the Dáil, Taoiseach Enda Kenny had deflected opposition demands to comment on the status of the negotiations on the promissory note, saying he did not want to raise expectations about the talks, or put a “time limit” on their outcome.

Mathews could not be contacted at the time of publication, while committee chairman Alex White (Labour) had not returned requests for comment.

The events mark the first time in several years than an incumbent government has lost a vote at committee level. The previous Fianna Fáil-Green Party coalition was beaten on one vote in its lifetime, when two Green senators failed to show for a vote on an amendment to the Civil Registration Bill.

On that instance, however, the opposition amendment was removed at later stages. In this instance, the government cannot seek to overturn the vote, which will see the Central Bank governor appear before the committee against the government’s stated wishes.

It had been speculated that Honohan would raise the matter of the promissory notes at last week’s meeting of the ECB Governing Council, but ECB president Mario Draghi said afterward that the topic had not been broached.

Although the cash is owed to the Central Bank of Ireland, which created the promissory notes during the banking crisis to fund Anglo Irish Bank’s immediate obligations, the ECB is required to give approval of any act which would effectively increase the volume of money in circulation.

This means that the Central Bank cannot write off Anglo’s obligations, which are being met by the State since its nationalisation, without the prior approval of the ECB. When the cash is repaid to the Central Bank, it is taken out of circulation and effectively destroyed.

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Comments (26 Comments)

  • ”In a roll call vote, the government parties were beaten by 11 votes to 9 – with Fine Gael TD Peter Mathews, who had proposed the motion himself, voting against the proposal in line with the party whip.”

    Wow! Don’t I love to watch the ‘democratic’ process at full swing – hilarious!

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    • ”a number of government members had been late in arriving at the committee room when the vote was called – and were locked out of the room when members were called by name to indicate their votes.”
      Hilarious is exactly what it is … and it was held the same evening as a parliamentary meeting . They obviously decided to let this decision go our way so. They are so transparent.

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    • @ John. Normally, I would be just as suspicious of this carry on, as yourself. However, in this case I think that something more interesting may be going on. Typically, when a party whip votes along the party lines, it’s obvious that their vote is self serving. This case seems different for a number of reasons. Peter Matthew’s views and those of independent Stephen Donnelly, regarding a technical mechanism, whereby we could write off a significant amount of ” our debt “, seem remarkably similar. Donnelly is a qualified economist and Matthews is a qualified accountant. The age old question, of whether you should work as an independent and maintain your integrity, without the support and power of a party, compared with the advantages of remaining within a party and trying to exert change from within, come to mind. I think it was more a case of luck and a fair wind, that led to the government being defeated in this instance. However, the more I read of Matthews, as in his articles in the Sindo, the more I think he just might be genuine. It may of course just be wishfully thinking on my part, but I hope not. It’s too complex an area for me to give a qualified opinion, but my sense is, that he is the exception to the rule. I hope so!. Regardless, happy Saint Patrick’s day to you and your loved ones.

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  • Hang on… he tabled the motion and had to vote against it to keep the party whip?

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  • “When the cash is repaid to the Central Bank, it is taken out of circulation and effectively destroyed.” !!!!!!!!!!! so all the cash that’s been paid is actually destroyed? If that is the case then the sensible thing to do is just write off the debt instead of reducing our country to penury for a barrow full of ashes.

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    • Aidan 14/03/12 #

      Exactly, absolute madness!

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    • Madness in the fact we are at something like 120% GDP, anything from 90 – 120 is considered bankrupt and our lovely bright politicians want us to vote in the Fiscal treat which financially penalises any state over something like 3%. The 3.1 billion that Anglo created out of nothing, went into other bank accounts for developers and what not and have since been wiped out and they have declared bankrupt the most of them, so why does the average Joe on the street have to make p for this money that never actually made it into the economy and benefited anyone not even the banks or developers. It was large numbers on a screen made out of nothing and disappeared never to influence anyone yet we have to pay for it out of our pockets for the next 20 years and a time when we are sinking they are hanging bricks around our necks. Lunacy by very definition.
      This should never have been agreed to. Fearmongering bastards.

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  • Now is your time Peter, be a king amongst men instead of the lone voice amongst treasonous cretins. Lose the whip and gain your place in history thanks to your integrity.

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  • Interesting comment by Enda “This morning in the Dáil, Taoiseach Enda Kenny had deflected opposition demands to comment on the status of the negotiations on the promissory note, saying he did not want to raise expectations about the talks, or put a “time limit” on their outcome.”

    Call me a cynic but I expect Enda’s ‘time limit’ is 20 years once he has insured we have paid the 47bn Give him one thing he’s good at following instructions though they probably had to be written on a black board for him.

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  • I’m interested to hear Honohan’s explanation of exactly why we should pay this.

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  • Tut tut lads that Cheltenham racing should be on in the morning to facility you !!!
    Should be interesting though let’s hope some small or big snippet of information gets out.
    Enda will have to look for notes from the parents for the absence.

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  • It’s a rare occasion that alternative voices are heard in there. Well done.

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  • What is the point in paying these promissory notes if they money is just going to be destroyed? Seems like all it’ll do is take more money from people’s pockets, and that’s it. Ridiculous!

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  • To all you folks who like to mention the government in any story on TheJournal.ie well guess what………… Fill your boots here and keep comments on other stories relevant!!

    Let me get the ball rolling…..Grrrrrr damn government……shakes fist!!

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  • Can someone explain why Peter Mathews is in trouble over this?? He voted as he was told to in order to keep the Party Whip even though he tabled the motion. Maybe I’m having a blonde day – I dont get it!

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  • Did Mick Wallace want Cheltnaham shown on TV earlier this year in the Dail to suit the TD’s who needed a few jars after work.

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