Could and should

Thing is if doctors arrived, you won’t support them, youll be baying for their blood ,shouting they are all swimming and washing their assess with dom perignon.

We all know people who have died from cancer and this alone should be enough of a reason for everyone shuold be outside Dail Eireann calling for Reillys head on a plate. I know it was reported on here a while ago but this is article appeared today on another newsite.

http://www.limerickpost.ie/index.php/navigation-mainmenu-30/local-news/5634-debt-collectors-add-to-agony-of-limerick-cancer-patients.html?fb_action_ids=10200147205475620&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

They should do the same !!!

His job is not to be liked by the Gardaí it’s to manage the justice systems in Ireland, of which the Gardaí are only a part.

Actually what commander in history has ever suceeded without the backing of those they are in charge of.

Noone wants guards to take action but the state is forcing it on them. Do we wantour police, nurses or army starving not able to fuel their own cars? Last time I checked this was the west not a communist country.

And do you think he doing that effectively

yes Dennis he is managing the justice system not ,the justice system is in complete shatters the judges are on the take FF APPOINTED 90 PERCENT of them ,witnessed a judgement handed down by a high court judge to two brothers a couple of weeks ago i know the back ground to the case and it was nothing short of appalling the judgement,

Well said Dennis. Too many of our stupid politicians would rather be liked than take tough decisions

Don’t worry Denis, he is doing a shit job with Defence as well… Wait and see what’s coming down the road.

@Dennis Laffey, you’re dead right Dennis, his job is to manage the legal systems in Ireland, of which the Gardaí in Ireland are only part of. But you don’t hear much of him talking about reform of the legal aid system, a grossly wasteful and abused system. You don’t hear about that because he won’t annoy his pals in the law library. What about the administration of justice, the courts system, the millions in unpaid fines/penalties, that go unpaid and ignored because the criminals to whom these fines are issued know full well there is no system in place to seize such fine monies (I’m not referring to fines issued to ordinary citizens for minor offences such as road traffic). What about the archaic courts system that takes years for cases to be heard all the while barristers and solicitors are taking huge fees, very often at State expense. No no no, that’s too difficult, that would require courage, forward thinking and real reform. No, we’ll just hit the Gardaí and Prison Officers again, sure that’s handy money.

Hat is off John, most sensible comment I’ve seen here in an age.

You can chalk Callinan down for that also, he thinks he’s minister for finance, look after your men and women Martin.

Which TD from the current Dáil should we put in his place?

Gerry Adams dog would do a better job

You’re right Chris. If you look closely, you will see him flinch from time to time, I can only assume that its Mr Minister Shatter tugging his testicles. He needs to grow a pair and outline his position. He is either with his men and women or against them.

A TD who favours not embracing austerity, and who doesn’t joke about it either..

That’s true Jimmy, even in that photo Callinan looks like Shatters hand puppet!

Thats offensive!

In reply to leonard!

Oh no it isn’t.

Leonard. I would safely wager no member of SF will ever hold the position of Minister for Justice. Maybe in 100 years, but not in our lifetimes.

These are merely bully boy boot tactics from a Trade Union and when they express a lack of confidence in both the Commissioner and the Member of Cabinet with Constitutional responsibility for the Gardai at policy level you know their behaviour is wrong and they need to be put back in their box and quickly.
Why should any employee of the Public Services sector never mind the Gardai bring their Union negotiations into a public forum when they have refused to sit at the negotiating table in the first place.
Why should we tolerate any suggestion of Union activity from a Force that is charged with upholding our laws when they talk of leaving their workplace on the pretense of being I’ll as a means of getting their way.
Are the Gardai any different to employees in the teaching professions or at clerical levels of the Public Service?
In the area of employment contracts the answer is no with the exception of being denied the right to withdraw their labour for the most obvious of reasons. To do so with threats and with lies demeans them and makes their contributions to our Society less than it should be.

Oh yes they will.

its time to imform the president of the issue bordering on treason and put the army on stand by for this is a gang acting with contempt for the rules of this republic.

Any takers to suggest the next Justice Minister?

If there are TDs better than Shatter we should probably name them and discuss their suitability and alternative policies for the justice department.

To his dog. Indeed

Not one from your party anyway Dave.

Ok so someone from Labour, SF, FF or the independents, but who exactly. Give me a name?

Agreed. Plus everyone gives out about shatter which is surprising considering they also give out about property tax and the like. Paying civil servants less means less need for tax.

Richard, the GRA is not a trade union, it’s a Representative Association. The Gardaí are not allowed join a TU.
The rest of your comment is just blatant ignorance.

Goodman harry. Stress pill for you. Army can’t police, still suggestion, not enabled by law and the mistakes madewould mean another bailout by the time 6he lawsuits end :)

Police don’t want to strike but no choice when your told your already slashed pay is going to be wiped out. Nobody public or private will stand for that. Guards would quit en mass.thats what shatter wants to get force down to 10k and will force people out till then.

But under estimated the frontline.

its time to imform the president of this issue bordering on treason and put the army on stand by…. for this is a gang acting with contempt for the rules of this republic. ……………name call the minister Mr Shatter… as guardians of the peace is a verbal assault and a breach of their oath to this republic

Ming. Because he is a hero with common sense :-D

Well who would you like to see Dave?

Same old rhetoric Harry…

If not Shatter, Charlie Flanagan who was the previous Justice Spokesman. Both with legal backgrounds which is a big requirement considering the Justice Department deals with a massive amount of legislation.

Jaysus Harry, same old trash that your spouting. Your a troll who has a serious axe to grind with the garda.

But that’s just another lad out of touch with the people. Same thing all over again. We need a cabinet that have the balls to play hardball with the Europeans and not our own people

The Justice Minister doesn’t have much dealings with Europe except in the areas of cross border policing and trafficking etc.

As for playing hardball with Europe, to extend your analogy, most sports are combination of strength and skill. Ireland is a small country and one with massive debts so our strength is automatically diminished. Our best route is to use skill of negotiation.

Have you any suggestions David?

Negotiation you say David. I think last weeks so-called deal on the promissory note, proved that we can’t do negotiation. Don’t you agree?

You saying the Irish are weak Dave?
Negotiation? Fine gael wouldn’t know the meaning of the word, look at that robbery you got us on the whole prom note saga

Phil hogan !!!

And your 100% they have underestimated the resolve of the 24/7 staff, we will stand united and that will be our strength, together.
A Prison Officer

Your obviously one of his fans

legal background?

Reilly is doctor and look how that’s going.

Flanagan is in the Dáil twenty-five odd years and Shatter is thirty.

Politician backgrounds is all there lads have

@Richard Rogers. Firstly, the GRA is not a Trade Union, the Gardaí have no right to engage in industrial action. That’s why they’re such a soft target. The only way they can express their concerns is in the manner that they are. Do you think they would be speaking out if Minister Shatter had not grossly misrepresented the true situation by suggesting morale is high, when the situation is clearly opposite. Second, you pose the question are Gardaí any different to teachers/clerical grades. Are you absolutely serious? Yes, they most certainly are. The Gardaí are the first line of defence, they are most certainly and absolutely not, in any shape or form, to be compared with teachers or clerical grades. They arguably should not even be directly compared to even other frontline workers due to the unique position they hold. If the fire brigade are in trouble, assaulted, need to gain entry to a property, under threat etc. do they deal with it themselves? No, they call the guards. If nurses/doctors have a sudden death, unruly/violent patient, are assaulted or in any danger etc. do they deal with it themselves? No, they call the guards. If a teacher encounters a child welfare issue, is threatened by a parent, is assaulted or harmed in any way etc, do they deal with it themselves? No, they call the guards. Get the message? The Gardaí are the first call by everyone, for almost every emergency situation. They are entirely different and unique to every other section of the public sector.

not out of this shower.get rid of them

And what makes you think the army won’t stand shoulder to shoulder,we may not be frontline but we always end up been relied on,each week there are deductions in my pay packet and threat of cutting allowances that also make up the bulk of my salary,go to fcuk,we also ave no union but a piss arsed no balls representative association,who as of lately actively promoted members to in there private capacity to attend the protest last weekend,

@ Harry
Why didn’t you get into the Guards again!?! Was it for being a short arse!? Or maybe it was that the then Commissioner of the force had concerns your local village could never survive without its resident idiot!?!

Bring back my uncle Padraig. He would fit right into the fg set up.
Best regards,
Adebayo P. Flynn

David a legal background is not neccassary at all they have tons of advisors that make decisions for them anyway. With all due respect( which is something shatter lacks) a lawyer hasn’t a clue not a notion of running a police force you need ex police officers either Irish or foreign or at least somebody with a background in criminal psychology.

The Gra isnt a trade union, it doesn’t have a negotiating licence. Get your facts right

Replace him with one that recognises the truth one that realises the obvious that moral within An Garda Siochana is on the floor and who doesn’t fly off on soundbytes saying that everything is fine, let him spend a few hours with those on the ground and he soon will realise how fine things are. Poor cars, poor equipment, getting abuse fired at you left right and centre, always being told by someone that they pay your wages and that as a result you are duty bound to give them a lift home from the pub. Shatter is an Idiot an totally out of touch with reality and the sooner the decent people in Fine Gael realise that the better!!!!!!!

@Richard ! Is that why you hide behind a false name ? So that if you ever need the help of the Gardai they won’t know you have slagged them off on a public forum !
What exactly is your occupation Richard ?

@Stuart Hyland, my comment is made in the context of the above article and in response to Richards Rogers comment. I have a high regard for the defence forces but the reality is that the army are very different to the civil authority and the same may be said in reverse. In terms of your own campaign for better treatment, I support it, as I do all sections of the public sector. I was merely expressing my opinion in terms of Richard Rogers daft comment and his comparisons between Gardaí/teachers/clerical.

Sharter the pompous git.

So you want Martial law declared in Ireland? and if full scale Martial law is declared the highest ranking army office will become head of government. I think your in the wrong country

David higgins
I nominate you ! Minister of Justice David Higgins all in favour ….AYE.
All against NEIGH …Ooops ,

Richard Mark Rodgers
You have no idea what you are talking about….

It isn’t

You have an issue Mr Price

A Garda with 5 years service working on the regular units is set to have their paycut by €326 gross a month and work for free on a rest day if given sufficient notice by their Superintendent. This Garda brings home €1600 a month David. How on earth can you justify such a drastic paycut for people who risk life and limb everyday?

A Garda with 5 years service working on the regular units is set to have their paycut by €326 gross a month and work for free on a rest day if given sufficient notice by their Superintendent. This Garda brings home €1600 David. How on earth can you justify such a drastic paycut for people who risk life and limb everyday?

There aren’t any, they are all inept.

John
I bet your message loud and clear.
Gardai are a special case and come before Nurses , Members of the Fire Brigade , Social Workers etc.
Now it must be your opinion that once you’re “special” and because you cannot go on strike then you can break all the rules and publicly attack a Commissioner as being out of touch and publicly express a lack of confidence in a Government Minister. On top of that you can threaten to go absent from work while pretending to be ill!
And you have the temerity and gall for suggesting that I have a problem with being disturbed by these views and issues?
Have we lost all semblance of logic and integrity in this Republic?

Davy
There is no proposal on the table at the moment. Where did you get this figure?

Oh don’t worry Damian, the hierarchy in the Defence forces have the same political will as the pri*cks who put them there, nepotism is alive and well in the PDF.

Well that statement is a big load of Sh##e !!

An you know what about the Defence forces?

Well said Liam Nothing to add there only to say this whole government are a disgrace

Every other frontline service can put forward that argument that they are unique and stand alone to the other frontline service. Have you been reading animal farm lately?

Gerry for Minister of Injustice

@ Richard Rogers. My wife is a Garda and ive seen GRA calculations on proposed cuts. Sunday and public holiday reduced from double time to time & 1/2. Night duty reduced from time 1/4 to time 1/6. Twilight allowance 6pm-8pm scrapped. Saturday allowance €15 scrapped. Public servants to work an hour a day for free. This hour will be banked and gardai will be be required to attend court or special events on a rest day for no pay. If the banked hours are not used up their annual leave will be cut accordingly the following year. It amounts to a 10.5% paycut on top of the 14% already cut. No wonder they are pissed.

Spot on Suzy Chester.

Did not know there were actually decent people in F/G or Labour or F/F or S/F maybe 1/ 2 independents.

Gardai,Prison Officers,FireBrigade, Nurses,Doctors.,etc etc Should all stand Shoulder to Shoulder and should get the support of the public and I for one will support any action that is taken after all You work a roster which you all have to work nights days and Gardai have to attend cases to give evidence Prison officers are on coast escorts everyday or hospital duty with prisoners or whatever else they have to escort prisoners on funeral etc etc Fire Brigade personnel are out there doing another job that cannot be filled only trained in all aspects of the job same as nurses and doctors they see things that none of joe public would even imagine …. Yes they chose to do these jobs which 99% is a vocation choice it is not just a job . They do think of their income as all of do will my income pay my bills I know I did ask that when I was thinking of my own choice of career which was in the private sector will I be able to rear my children on my income will it even stretch to saving some for their education we all have the same worries we are after all paying our taxes and levies and Parsi and usc’s etc etc so come on folks they have a job we have a job but we as a citizen we really must stick together as one This Government have forgotten where their wages come from and who they should be working for since the took out votes and sat in their offices

Always the same when someone mentions the public services… Soldier are always ” etc,etc”

When I read “Garda body passes motion” I thought the article was going to be about that.

Well said chuck!

If you can’t handle that sort of work, don’t do it. Definitely don’t do it and then whinge about it.

“Divided”

is that what he said? wow his arrogance is breathtaking..

“These spats occurred in good times and in bad times and both parties simply have to get on with their respective jobs” courtesy of RTE

And what would Dylan do in his position?

We had an election. Live with it.

Mike
Your comment confirms the dangers of the Gardai publicly behaving in the manner now witnessed. This is in breach of all codes of behaviour and obligations under the Constitution. When the rabble rousers begin to join them the GRA need to know how much they have transgressed.

Scary thing tho mike is who else can we elect? The whole bunch that sit in the dail. FF? nope. SF are looking attractive st the monent but still doesnt sit comfortably with me. Independents like Clair daly, Ming and mick Wallace. Jesus it’s so frustrating looking at and listening to them.

They might privately…but not one of them would have the nerve to stand up and say it….to worried about their precious seats!

Too worried.

Top drawer jj

Maybe ….but a pay cut to his massive income is nothing compared to an ordinary worker’s pay !

Yes, he stood by the men and women in uniform alright.
The Garda criminals in Donegal walked away unpunished: no wonder you love him.

How exactly will that work now? With no police force or a new one with lower wage? Just wondering cos I’m not mad on the idea of a ‘blue flu’ but at the same time no Gardai at all ever kind of scares me and I’ve heard it takes 2 years to train a guard so if we’re getting rid of what we’ve got what do we do?

Bill Clear a motion of confidence in the Gardai would be carried 99.9per cent in favour of. Get a life .

From what I can make out Barry they’re not looking for blanket pay rises and the allowances they’re trying to keep are the result of the last ‘blue flu’ and were given instead of pay rises which were long long overdue at the time. Whilst I’m not a great fan of the public sector and I think it should without a doubt be made more accountable, I think the emergency services such as firefighters, nurses, Gardai, prison officers etc should not be tarred with the same ‘lazy public servant’ brush that admin and clerical staff are brushed with #justmyopinion

When I’m on duty for 24hr shift,for that duration I’m away from home whilst others are tucked up in bed,the following day i don’t rest cos kids to dropped and collected from school etc,and for that duty after tax I will come out with €23,less than €1 an hour,no fuel card for me travelling to and from work,no company car sitting in my drive.

No one earns less than €1 an hour after tax in this country..

Yes they do Barry….

Yes we do,look it up,been public servant our wages are there for all to see,full accountability to the tax payers,have the pay slip to prove it,dave been PDF will back myself up with that statement,I would hardly fcuk that kind of statement into the public domain with having solid proof,we even get little diarys each year to remind us all how much each other earns,it’s that transparent .
Look up defences.ie Entry grade rates of pay and allowances enlisted personnel ,look for sda,security duty allowance. Mon -sat (24hrs). €47.59
Mon -sat less than 24 €23.81 before tax

What do you work at? Whats your wage? Gross and net? Have you a health plan? Have you a work phone? Work laptop? Company car? Are you on call? Have you ever been assaulted at work? How much have yours wages been cut since 2006? Whats your commute to work? Are you prohibited from seeking extra work? Do you get a bonus? Do you try and contribute to society??? Answer all of above truthfully pls…. Fair wage thats all.

Do you work for free?? So why should people who often times have two degrees?? Bullcrap

I do paid work and non paid work. I’m not saying don’t work for nothing, if you didn’t realise. Head to specsavers with your next pay packet.

Who are the delinquents?

Nights , weekends, and public holidays deserve a premium rate, this issue wouldn’t exist to the same extent if government started their negotiations with that to the forefront of their minds
End of

If your too stupid to slow down and get caught speeding then your also too stupid to understand that the fine payment doesn’t go to the coppers’ pocket… So your statement is ridiculous..!!

Is that not a go-safe van that site there Tom?

It’s a fact that speed traps save lives. If that’s treating you like crap, as you put it, well you’re living in a different world to most of us. In future, stick to the limit and you’ll be richer…and safer if that’s of any interest to you.

Go safe vans have nothing to do with Gardai they are manned by civilians.

Go safe vans are privately run. Either way sticking to the limit would save you 80 yoyos

No they don’t save lives !!! Cause their set up in stupid areas where know one has died which proves its just a money making exercise , how many people do you know have died on Victoria Quay just before Heuston Station yet the van is always there , or just after Petrol station on the Chapelizod bypass ? , but never on the dangerous road where there has been multiple deaths

Off topic there, stick to the limits and they won’t be of any concern to you:)

Tom, just so you know the gardai didn’t put them camera’s there. The RSA and the government did so as to generate money for the government. They are manned by a private company.

Youre dead right tom, if a garda got into my car and put his foot on the pedal while i was driving id be pissed off too

Simple two reasons. Line of sight, need a certain distance to click speed so back roads are out. Also its about safety they need to park where you want cone around a bend and smash into a go safe van.

Also compared to the uk we have little speed checks. I’ve a clean license as I drive under the limit. Simple really

FYI the Speed cameras are a privately owned company. Google gosafe. Not Garda operated.

I’m a little baffled here – does the original commenter think that 100kph is a suitable speed to be going around a bend? So the speed limit goes down at a time that you should be slowing down anyway.. If it was a straight stretch, like say a motorway with no roads joining it, and the speed limit was cut in half for no reason whatsoever (not even the danger of animals crossing) then you would have a point..

And the other one complaining that speed checks have been put where no one (not “know one”) has died, surely the reason that they have been placed at these areas as there is a reason to think that an accident could realistically occur? Like perhaps a blind corner – just because no one has died doesn’t mean that you should throw caution to the wind. Would you prefer that some one does die before a speed check is put in place? Surely prevention is better than a horrific accident?

@tom goss, buttevant is not anywhere near tipperary.

I do keep to the limits but you obviously didn’t understand my point , or your not from Dublin and haven’t a clue where I’m talking about !

Here is a quick comparison for you a Garda with 18 yrs service take home pay after statutory deductions (tax/prsi/usc/pension levy) is 33k out of which they have to pay mortgage and medical insurance and bills . Unemployed person with 3 kids has 26k and will get rent allowance medical card back to school etc (and an increase in welfare if they have another child). So after costs are met the Garda will have less disposable income. Now I appreciate this is not comparing to another job but its a state hand out for no work (even if that person wants to work).

The Garda wage bill in 2012 was just under 1bn. The Welfare Bill was 20bn yet no proposals are afoot to cut this. Gross pay in An Garda Siochana is down 25% since 2007 yet welfare is down just 5%. Due to restrictions in protest options open to Gardai they are seen as soft targets so why not hit them again instead of tackling the hard issues like the 90m of estimated fraud in the welfare system. Tackling welfare abuse will alienate many potential voters and is the elephant in the room but at 40% of overall spend on Welfare it will have to be tackled at some stage.

Gardai on the ground are struggling with some in receipt of Family Income Supplement and some not being able to afford medical insurance for their kids due to large mortgages and these people have medical cards for the kids. I can’t make sense to be cutting at one end and handing those cut welfare at the other end. Those who are are not yet at this stage fear for the cuts and what the consequences they may have. This added to the reduced numbers, lack of transfers and promotion opportunities and lack of resources combine to drag morale as low as it has ever been in the job. When in the face of all of this the Minister takes every opportunity to state morale in the job is high it is a small wonder that the members have expressed no confidence in the man.

This is no union trying to justify itself it is merely the expression of the reality on the ground and the thoughts of a group of workers that have given all it has to give.

to quote Martin Luther King Jr “Whenever men and women straighten their backs up, they are going somewhere, because a man can’t ride your back unless it’s bent” the GRA are just straightening up their backs.

@Arbitrasure, you’re in cloud cuckoo land there lad. The GRA, AGSI and many locally based Gardaí were extremely vocal and forthcoming in their views opposing the closing of rural Garda stations and their views are on the public record. They voiced these concerns during the first and again during the most recent traunch of station closers. They were dealing with these issues before the current pay issue arose. And as for your stats on violent crime/confrontation, you haven’t got a notion my good man.

Get your facts straight.

The irish tax system takes no account of disposable income , cost of living or DEBT …even though most people’s biggest debts are held by banks that are owned by the State! ………
I remember a report some time ago about a family who were receiving 80’000 or 90,000 in benefits!
It is almost the Government are deliberately trying to break the country to everyone’s detriment except themselves and their friends and anyone involved in the Horse (both) industries! ….. What does “CORRUPTION” mean?

Out of interest, what salary is the average Garda “commanding”? Do you know? I don’t, but I’m willing to bet it’s not enough for the work they do.

Are you for real??? My brother works in boots and earns more than me! Maybe do a bit of research before making an outrageous, sweeping comment like that!

My estates full of Guards. They’re still driving BMW’s, although I did see one of their wives wearing the same clothes two days in a row.

An intelligent commentary on the debate…

Plenty of bmw’s parked outside the dole office today as the drivers were signing on… Doesn’t prove anything.

You still trolling roddy

Nah Stuart. Just injecting a bit of humour into a subject that’s starting to become boring.

Green thumb for that one

Are they 131 reg BMWs? If not then what relevance does it have to anything? So someone bought a car a few years back when the wages were decent (and they were even better in the private sector) – they bought BMW as they have a high resale value and are generally worth what you pay for them. Same with Mercs. It doesn’t mean that their wages haven’t taken a hammering since..

@ James Connolly – you will find the Garda pay rates on the GRA site. They provide Gross and Net payments for all Garda grades.

James
You didn’t know the salary levels of a Garda but you ” bet that it isn’t enough”.
How could that be anything but an unthinking and illogical statement to make.

You’re totally right Richard, I mean we all are overpaid, underworked, over resourced in the public sector.
I’m betting on experience – but of the Gardaí but of nurses. The two careers are not dissimilar.
Also, just in case you think I am underworked and overpaid, I’ve been in my hospital since 6:45am. I dare you, tell me I’m underworked, overpaid.

James
You’re on overtime and have boasted about earning seventy five thousand a year when four hundred thousand have no job and many many hundred of thousand will never see that kind of wealth. And to rub salt in the wound you earn that money as a public servant while bitching about it.

Richard, I didn’t boast about earning 75k, I said I earned close enough to it when you include overtime.
I am currently not getting overtime, and haven’t done since January 1st, which means that for my 70-90hr weeks I earn 54k, of which I take home 40%.
That is a little bit over minimum wage, and before you throw the fact that I should be contributing to my pension, I should, I agree. Unfortunately I don’t have a choice, and as the reality is for many frontline public service workers, many will leave the service before they qualify for any of that pension contribution.
I have 3 diplomas, a masters and a PhD. I hold other current certifications which I am legally bound to hold – as to not hold them would render me unqualified to do my job. I pay for those certifications myself, I am reimbursed for a small percentage of the cost which in no way resembles a sum even close to the actual cost of these certifications.
I didn’t invest so heavily in my career to A) be treated like a slave (given that I’m not being paid o/t and that I’ve already worked my 40hrwk this week, along with 12hrs o/t and still have another 24hrs to go before I finish work) and B) take on the responsibility that goes with my job (which is massive) to take home the same as your average shop assistant.

@james well said .

@James Connolly, basic gross starting salary for Garda, day 1 is €24,550 rising incrementally to a maximum of €44,116 after 17 years where it remains to retirement at 30 years minimum service. For those working nights, public holidays etc, that would be enhanced through allowances.

Gerard- that was most incoherent comment of all time.

And Kerry strikes again…

Harry I think your tin foil hat is cutting off the circulation to your brain

Great solution there Harry old boy… Forget your common sense pills today?
;)

Harry…. you are so clueless its scary. its people like you that have this country ruined. its about time people including gardai stood up to these people that are cutting their wages and forcing them to work in such bad conditions. the gardai have no choice here, if these cuts go ahead then they will be working for less than social welfare!

Well said!

Harry, i wouldn’t waste any of my precious time on you.

You don’t comment on any article on the journal save for the ones talking about garda pay . Your so called solutions border on science fiction ( call in the army etc )
You never have any constructive criticism, you only spout bile and poison which leads me to conclude that you either are a troll, or someone who has a serious gripe with AGS..

Either way, your comments are met with mostly ridicule , as the total number of red thumbs on ALL of your comments suggest.

Keep posting your muck, I will gladly retort to them all!

Good man Harry, rock of sense you are. You even look crazy…

Arb, the public service pension is part of the contract , you can’t opt out,
Many wanted to opt out during the early 90,s but weren’t let do so,
The perception at the time was that an individual could invest the money better themselves
Half wages is the norm , plus lump sum, however the old age pension is taken out and used as part of the calculation for half wage
If you low payed the job pays little on retirement, the well pay do well , I accept

Do you know the life expectancy of a guard on retirement, they give a hell of alot more than they get:-(

Was just gonna say, every guard I knew growing up always died just before or shortly after retirement, usually of a heart attack. They say its something to do with their working shift patterns and the stress of their job.

@ karolyn …excellent point …. the best explanation I heard to try to explain this phenomenon was , and no offence meant to anyone, that when someone retires they are surplus to requirements and that it’s just nature getting rid of the excess …. i know this sounds cruel … but it is a general comment designed to help …as in if you are coming up to retirement geta hobby or some interest that ay “maintain the purpose of existence” ….. sorry if I offend but it’s a very difficult point to get accross !