It gave me a laugh too alright! :D Look at the feckin’ Marys’ out in force, only too delighted to be sticking their nose in where it doen’t belong!

None of their business? To claim that is to claim there isn’t a rational for an anti-abortion stance, which a far stupider more blindsided view than the anti abortion stance itself.

You might be on the right side of this issue, but with that sort of thinking I’m pretty sure it was just pot luck.

You taking bets snookums? To answer your question, Yes, it is absolutely none of their business
For one, this is an issue that concerns only the persons involved and the ultimate decision should solely be up to the mother!
By saying that i am not condoning drive through abortions which, lets be honest, are extremely f*ucking rare. If half of these protesters set up organisations which would offer aid and support to these women should they consider following through for adoption then surely everyone would benefit!
But sadly, these people seem to follow your train of thought, and just follow up on an ignorant and inconsiderate blind reactions. This could easily change, and many lives could be saved and i would 100% support it

@CHristopher

whats my viewpoint? read my comment, I’m pro-choice you twit.

To say it’s none of their business is to say they don’t have an argument. Which they do (and one which is inevitably logically easier to balance than ours, although I think that’s through intellectual sloth rather than being right.)

Also if its ‘solely up to the mother’ then it means any term fetus has no/very little moral weight.

Also, I have no idea what you last paragraph meant, sorry.

I’m sure an explanation would be lost on you anyway but if you actually read what i said then you would see that i did not label you as a Pro-Lifer… go on take a second and read… take all the time you need princess.
I simply meant that both sides of this debate are prone to knee jerk reactions and because of the weight of the issue involved they do not offer any consideration to other solutions.

And get spell check for f*cks sake, you’re english only confirms my woes about our education system.

You are a delightfully angry man, I do apologies for my bad spelling, I cried a little when I realised I had both missed an apostrophe and an r. I realise in my hubris you will inevitably deliver a soul crushing thesis on my mountain of spelling mistakes.

BTW I honestly meant no offence about your comment, I couldn’t understand it, bad expression is common in the cut throat professionalism that is internet trolling and I myself have gave into it many times, (the bad expression, not being trolled).

Anyway back to the issue, whats ignorant about saying people have a right to debate abortion publicly and easily? There are logically valid arguments on both sides, therefore debate is valid.

So to say it is no ones business but the mothers assumes two things, one there is very limited moral significance for the foetus at all times(I do not agree) and since if it’s not our business then trimesters are irrelevant therefore there is an almost infinite explosion in moral weight in the time frame of the act of birth.

I again wouldn’t agree at all. I don’t really understand the position of ‘it’s no ones opinions but the mothers.

It seems i must apologise Conor, i just reread my last comment and it looks like i fell victim to exactly the same kind of shite i was giving out about! But you called me a twit so i’ll get over it.
My argument is that it should solely up to the persons involved because there are so many dimensions and influences in their situation that each case is different. It is not right that any random person can vehemently push their opinions on others, and in the case of the x case, forcefully take a choice away from them. Each case should be weighed individually and this is impossible when the masses unite and paint them all with the one brush.
I sympathise with the implications for the babys life but if the mother ultimately decides the go through with the abortion then i believe that she should have a right to do so

When i said none of their business it is exactly that. They are perfectly entitled to their opinion but what I do with my uterus is my business. I find it appalling that busybodies like that can and have placed restrictions on my freedom of choice. That is all.

+1 I base my pro-life argument on science, not on religion. Sadly the pro-life movement is seen as a mad religious movement when then that’s not the case at all!

The Roman Church is a poor inspiration in such issues now David. The record of the treatment of ‘born’ children by religious and state institutions surely goes to show that the defence of the innocent was far from their cause.

I’ve never been comfortable with the pro-choice ideology but I utterly abhor the pro-life one because it’s dominated by the type of person I detest – the religious. Consequently, I’ve never been convinced by either side and have never formed a solid opinion on it.

I’m wit you but that analogy has been used before, I think its the equivalent of the pro lifers shoving pics of aborted babies in ur face and if you tell them to stop they call you a baby murderer. There are extremists on both sides. But you made a better argument wuthout using the referring to tumors. I hate that one.

Fair enough Niamh, I take it back.

The argument is not about your body, it is about the body of the unborn.

@absolutely 100% correct oaklane.

Don’t think this is a feminist issue, that is a cop-out of the most intellectually cowardly. Debate the issue, the unborn.

The argument is wether the unborn has significant moral weight to override the individual choices of the woman. So it is an argument about the unborn.

(Pro choicer here, just hate bullsh*t)

Well Said!

Good to see someone wit a bit of sense here. well said.

The reason it’s not so simple is that another life is involved, the life that’s actually terminated.

@ Oliver. There are circumstances when it can save the life of the mother. What then! Or the story at hand, the poor girl who was rapped. Everyone jumped onto their agenda band wagon and as usual the woman’s rights got trampled on.
Leave people to live their lives and don’t expect everyone to live by your moral codes.

@Carlin, well said on both counts. Thank you.

What if the “someone else” is a viable baby? Would you oppose any restrictions whatsoever on the “right to choose?”Are you so arrogant as to claim that there is no rational argument against unlimited freedom of choice?

Who says they’re virgins ;)

They do ;-)

:)

I was thinking that too. I wonder what the opinions of some of those children are now?

I find it unacceptable to put young children in the front row, as support for any point of view in a demo or protest, where they are actually too young to properly understand the issues involved, and are there due to ‘guidance’ from the parents. This applies to any demo regardless of subject but especially to emotive ones like abortion.

Neither do trendy liberalism and straight answers, it seems

The person of whom the womb is a part is not only alive, but also conscious. That person also has hopes, plans, emotions, and the capacity for rational thought. A fetus, though it is alive, has none of these things. “The womb” is not a separate thing. It is a part of the body of this fully realised person, nourished by her food, water and the air she breathes. A fetus does not just exist “in the womb”. It exists inside the body of a person who has the right to decide what other creatures inhabit her body, eat her food, breathe her air and drink her water.

Wotever ur opinion I wish people would stop comparing malignant tumors to fetuses….its so far removed from what the argument is that its unhelpful. They are not the same thing.

I didn’t compare a tumor to a fetus. I said it is a form of life. It is.

Although repulsive, at least Matthew is being more honest than Aoife about the pro-choice viewpoint. It could also be said that a new born baby or a person with an intellectual disability or person in a coma does not have ‘hopes, plans, emotions, and the capacity for rational thought’.

The catholic church consulted science before forming their opinion.

I think you will find Laurence that when people (either a woman on her own or as part of a couple) decide to have an abortion, “clump of cells” does not enter into their thinking.

I’d be very interested to see exactly who is having abortions now. We’re almost indoctrinated in this country to think of the ill mother/ rape victim / young single girl – but I’d imagine there are a lot of people who previously would never have considered this course of action, now think of it as they’re finding it almost impossible to keep head above water financially already.

And in the any case, this is a decision to be made by no-one but the person themself(ves) – it’s not mine or your business.

Why?

So is wanking.

That kind of accusation demands evidence, you know.

[citation needed]

Bwahahaha,

Naughty…

Ha! Wonder if you’ll make it into comments of the week Mr Fitz…