Couldn’t agree more, but that doesn’t absolve the Quinns of their responsibilities…

Rubbish all figures changed judge was wrong and shock horror your not gonna believe this the banksters lied. When they come to steal your stuff what will you do???

Problem is the banks were not trying to steal stuff but simply execute the portion of the loan contract that Mr. Quinn signed up to voluntarily.

Not everything the banks do is in fact illegal and as you have made the allegation that figures were changed and the bank purgured itself I can only but implore you to contact the appropriate authorities with your evidence as all forms of corruption needs to be stamped out in our society

We must remember that while thousands of people took out large while encouraged by the banks, few other than the wealthy like Sean Quinn had access or means to secure advice, other than that given by the government or banks. It must also be remembered that most borrowers were looking for money to invest in a home for their families and not as in the case of Sean Quinn, for massive financial gain. Quinn was prepared to risk all his assets in the risk for huge rewards. Now the piper needs to be paid. There is a would of difference between individual investments in a family home and the failed investments of a well informed investor.

We must remember that while thousands of people took out large while encouraged by the banks, few other than the wealthy like Sean Quinn had access or means to secure advice, other than that given by the government or banks. It must also be remembered that most borrowers were looking for money to invest in a home for their families and not as in the case of Sean Quinn, for massive financial gain. Quinn was prepared to risk all his assets in the risk for huge rewards. Now the piper needs to be paid. There is a world of difference between individual investments in a family home and the failed investments of a well informed investor.

and the govt. + the banks are playing by the rules…wake up…. your tellin us that if u were n the same postion as the quinns you would hand everything over to that toxic bank and the greedy govt.

Yeah it’s typical, a priest speaks out at a protest…..for a billionaire. I have been to a lot of austerity and other type protests over the past 3 years and haven’t seen or heard priests. James plunkett had their number when he wrote strumpet city.

Leave Fr. Brian alone.He has more courage that all his detractors put together,

I agree very strongly. Joe Kernan, mickey Harte ( so let down), Sean Boylan, O rourke ( not surprised), Jarlath burns. The GAA better get a handle on this one.

Why had the gaa better get a handle on this ? These individuals know the Quinns and believe them when they say they were decieved and lied to ? If they choose to support people they believe are right then fair play to them. But you probably know all the Facts Shane ……..

The GAA organisation should not be used as a political mouthpiece / cheerleading movement for the Quinn’s. If these individuals wish to express their support for the Quinn’s in a personal capacity that’s fine, no issue with that. They have no right to express support under the banner of the GAA.

You’d swear the Quinns were innocent little by-standers.

Where’s the banner SMcB that you accuse them of appearing under ?????

@Tom
The facts are that the judge said it was one of the most devious attempts to hide assets he had ever seen.

@Mattoid, that is A FACT ………. not the FACTS

@Mattoid, yes they did hide assets, but it is in dispute as to whether the Quinns actully owe the amount of money Anglo say they do. This case has not come up before the courts yet. Quinns were protecting there assets – you have to remember Anglo took over the Quinn Group which included multimillion euro hotels, pubs, windmills and factories which is far in excess of the €450million Quinn agrees he owes.

*their assets

Tonya – don’t get taken in by the Quinnspin! If a subsequent court case finds that Quinn’s assets had been stripped illegally the court would order them to be reinstated in full, therefore there is absolutely no legitimate reason for Quinn to try and put his assets beyond the reach of the authorities. The high court clearly agrees.

Michael would say u not getting it . Quinn sold a pup by Anglo. Taxpayer sold a pup firstly by ff then told to keep it by fg and labour. Anglo should have been investigated first.

“Deceived and Lied to”, some people are really deluded, the Quinn’s may have many justifiable reasons to be angry and a genuine sense of grievance with regard to Anglo, but the public rally and the appeal for “Natural Justice” did not occur before their clandestine and deceitful attempts to move assets beyond the reach of the courts and their blatant disrespect for the rule of law was exposed. Having got caught and humiliated on video they are now staging public rallies and appeals for natural justice, this is really deluded ignorance and really only serves to further humiliate them and the people who support them in the views of the vast majority of Irish people who chose to respect the rule of law and authority of the courts established by our constitution even if we often disagree with their rulings.

@tom teemore.fermanagh.gaa.ie/statement-23-07-2012 … The photos above are also self explanatory.

If Quinn’s case is as strong as his supporters suggest and I am not saying it isn’t, why did he have to disrespect the courts of Ireland? Why did he not assert his case within the rule of law? Why is he standing up saluting a man evading the jurisdiction of the Irish Republic?

And as well as that I’m not the only person who received a txt msg (copy and paste from a pr statement) asking all GAA clubs to show solidarity with the Quinn family….

He is being robbed

He’s not the victim Matthew, We the Taxpayer are! He can f*ck off across the border with his crocodile tears and he can take them Cavan Hicks with him! There a disgrace to the Irish people.. Next they’ll be holding a rally for poor Seanie Fitz and David Drumm

Matthew,
You obviously don’t know very much about this whole thing. Quinn owed debts in the bank and put forward a plan which was perfectly legitimate and viable and was approved by banks and ministers alike. This plan would see a debt of 2.8 bn being paid back over 7 years. Anglo ignored the plan because they wanted Quinn gone. They knew there was huge money to be made in Quinn’s companies and were looking out for themselves. (IN the 28 months since Anglo have taken over Quinn groups and companies they have been paid over 400million in Salaries!!!!!!!, YES REALLY). So Anglo made the call on whether the 2.8 bn would be paid back or not. SEan Quinn was more than happy to pay it. However, Not only did Anglo ignore the repayment plan, they took all his assets off him so that Quinn had no way of ever dreaming of paying it off.THEN the Anglo-driven propaganda is saying the Quinn is the bad guy because the Tax-payer is going to have to pay this debt back(Hugely disputed as the debt is)………Anglo made the call, Not quinn…now who can we blame?
So you keep believing what Anglo (oh they changed their name didn’t they!) tell you is true….but if you do want to hear the real story, maybe you should do a bit of reading into the facts. Anglo are playing a VERY dirty game with the Irish people and Quinn.

YF
The high court made the call, not ‘Anglo’ because they considered the plan to be much less viable than Quinn would have you believe.

Food call YF

Im mean good call

Mattoid,
Who in Anglo are you? Or is your second name IBRC? I’m sure your salary is good these days anyway, forget about the little people…spread you agenda around as fast as you can

Childish comment YF.

I agree that quinn is being screwed over here obviously he didnt pay off the right people to get his hands on the strings that control our puppet politicains but at the same time the man was trying to move his money out of reach of the governmemt which would have left us with his debt.

@Y.F. Explain the Quinns secretly accepting loans from Anglo to buy shares in it? They got caught with their pants down and it may be seen as unfortunate that they are now getting spanked.

Stupid, stupid, stupid people…Irelands finished

Its getting to the stage now, that if the banks came in and took the shoes and socks of the Quinns feet, I’d feel it was good enough for them.

We have all been conned not by Sean Quinn but by the gov. Who gave us the previlage of paying for their corrupt bank . Sean Quinn was sold valueless shares by this same bank now he is angry , like the rest of us . Cannot blame him

Ellish, your really not getting it. Sean and his family took loans from Anglo, to buy shares in Anglo with the hope that an increase in share price and dividend would massively outweigh the cost if the loans. Firstly, such practice is illegal, so I want justice. Secondly, he still owes the Bank, now owned by all the Irish people 2.5Billion, and I want it back!!!

Hugh, did they really chant his name, sometimes chant his same?

All of these small minded selfish traitors should be ashamed of themselves.

Substantive matters and the merits of each sides argument aside. The Quinns have a far better argument to make than many in the Irish establishment might suggest. The Quinn’s chose not to assert their position within the rule of law but to intentionally and deceitfully disobey the orders of the Court and ignore its authority, behaving like a criminal enterprise in their attempts to put assets relevant to the substantive dispute beyond the reach of the courts.Why didn’t they hold a public rally before engaiging in such deceit and fight an open and legal fight, the PR machine has only rolled out after they were caught and exposed. You either respect the rule of law and fight your case within it or you do not, all of those who support the Quinn’s clearly do not respect the rule of law, they are an ignorant disgrace,

If you look at the banners, this is a GAA organised display of ignorance. “Kenny supports Illegality”, “No Justice here” , these people are sheep, while they may have genuine reasons to be angry and empathize with the Quinns rather than educate and inform themselves as to the law and the facts they let their anger and ignorance control them and humiliate themselves publicly for a failed billionaire who had little concern for their interest in the gambles he took with the business providing their jobs. Its sad that such ignorance is prevalent and so easily manipulated.

Mickey Harte, you’d have been nothing without Peter Canavan. Get over yourself!!!

Watch out. We’re coming to Anglo next.

For those who are critical of this rally , just have a look at FACTS SHEET on CONCERNED IRISH CITIZENS facebook page

well is it any wonder this Country of ours yes ours is in such a mess.it appears to me some of these said people did help us along the way.will Bert Brian Mick W illie will they be all there to give them support.

You are so wrong if it happens the bankers manage to steal everything Sean quinn ever had not you and not one single Irish citizen or tax payer will benefit even 1 cent. Don’t be so stupid.

Anel, the taxpayer effectively is the banker now. Can you explain how the taxpayer will benefit from Quinn’s illegal attempts to put his assets beyond our reach??

I don’t care if the taxpayer doesn’t benefit one cent. I just want to see a liar, criminal, and arrogant avoider of responsibility put to justice.

Jack, perhaps your witch-hunt would be better directed at David Drumm . . . . all of the above!!!

It’s about theft plain and simple and Sean is retirement age. Wake up

I agree, it is about a form of theft, Mr. Quinn accepting money from the bank and when not able to repay it frustration the Irish court and state in implementing the contract that was entered into of Mr. Quinn’s own free will

Well said. You make my point only more eloquently and less offensively.

Tis is an absolute correct and true summation of all that was done wrong here and why those people marching/supporting the Quinns in this case have got it so wrong!

Excellent post. Thanks for clear concise summary of events to date

Well explained and categorised.

Wonder how much taxpayers money was used by person posting this comment

Wrong on all counts

Care to elaborate Anel? (and I don’t mean by just trotting out a slogan like “the bankers robbed them”)

anel cceram troll another closet quinn supporter

@Anel

You’re a great one for telling everyone that they’re wrong and you’re right and the quinns are being robbed, yet I haven’t seen you leaving one explanation to your comments. Maybe you’re just an uneducated troll with too much time on your hands or maybe you are a very learned individual in which case I’d like to see you explain some of your comments.

Probably advertised on the local GAA club website as a meet and greet with Gaa greats. Funny thing is those kids don’t realise how f*cked their future is thanks to the chancers up on stage or that their parents are cheering for the crumbs of their table.

And before anyone says it, it isn’t Quinn’s fault that we have to deal with anglo/irbc (down to Lenihan), but it’s entirely Quinn’s fault that your insurance has gone up and the rest of us having to deal with Anglo/irbc for longer than we should.

Tell us Jimbo what facts you know on the subject???

I wasn’t at the rally Tom. Thankfully I’m about as far away from Cavan as it is possible to be on this planet.

Also, if you look just below you can read a couple of indisputable facts that I know on the subject.

I meant around the Quinn group Jimbo and it’s dealings with Anglo ?

I’d like to hear both sides Jimbo, or is there not 2 sides to this ??? We just believe the Anglo account of events

I don’t know all the ins and outs of the case, only what I’ve read online. From what I can make of it, its a very messy affair with guilt on both sides, I don’t particularly believe either of them.

I do know that both quinn-the-youngers are in contempt of court. It’s a crime, they should be punished appropriately.

The unfortunate thing is kids growing up now have to work out why banks failed and went bankrupt yet they now have to pay to save them – WHILE getting rodgered by the State every step of the way who have supported them every single step of the way. They must be also wondering how bankrupt business people, mainly developers were given NAMA – an institution which pays a lot of those busted high 6-figure salaries for ‘managing’ their portfolio’s – which really belong to us now.
If things go correctly and we get to the bottom of all this through due process we will know the full extent of what went on. Sean Quinn flew too close to the sun and that proved to be his downfall. I’d like to think it was naivety in dealing with roguish institutions and individuals that caused his fall and not being a willing party to share price manipulation. Time will only tell.
As for the rule of law it must be based on some form of equality. We’re jailing people with gusto for inability to pay fines, yet two scandalous tribunal reports have led to – nothing!
Calamities like these don’t speak well either -

http://www.emigrant.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=61029&Itemid=32

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Tribunal

If our constitution was written on the basis of equality then we haven’t served those who wrote it well. We’re certainly not teaching our kids much about how life is supposed to work because all we can teach them from our fall from grace is that we reward complete and utter failure in this country – once you’re part of one of the institutions.

I think Ireland has much bigger problems than how to deal with the Quinns. I think every leap forward needs figureheads. Sean Quinn was the Celtic Tigers. I can see why people turned out for him. In an area long kept down he brought a chance to those people, a chance to stay at home and work to achieve what ever it was in their life they wanted. When the ignorance continues on the sham politics of this country and the likes of Haughey are buried with state honours people will take the sides of anyone standing up to the glaringly obvious wrongs of this country.

Where do i sign up Feargal…?? ;-p

We could start at the Quinn insurance office in Blanchardstown, march to Drumcondra, have a pint in Fagans and them have a rally in Stephens Green outside the Anglo office, sign me up Damien

by any chance did Paddy Power sponsor the event

?5 flights to shopping centres in the Ukraine available soon.

Sandra, The quinn’s admitted to moving the assets abroad. Anglo might say that they ‘Found them out’, but Quinn admitted what he did, and yes, they were found in contempt of court. However, Why were Anglo so eager to get this case to court before Quinn’s case against Anglo? They want to get rid of him so that the truth of the corruption and illegal practices that went on in the bank never truelly come to light. They have done everything they can from the start to shut Quinn up. They are very worried and rightly so. I believe that most of us who have read the facts and not the Anglo led propaganda have smelt the coffee….maybe you should do the same

YF
He only admitted what he did AFTER the high court ruling (in which the judge described Quinn’s actions as one of the most devious attempts to conceal assets he had ever seen) – hardly a beacon of honesty!

And did you not see the Ukraine video in which Quinn jr said he would have no problem with lying to the court??

Mattoid, your facts as always are incorrect…..It was Peter Quinn, not Junior who stated that. And he was referring to a Ukranian court, not an Irish one.

OK Charlie, you have me – it was Peter Quinn who uttered the words…. with Sean Quinn jr. sitting right beside him and making no attempt to intervene.

If it is your opinion that it was the Ukranian court they were referring to then fair enough (I have a different view) but you make it sound like you think that somehow makes it ok.

For anyone who hasn’t seen it yet, here is the link to the story about the Ukraine meeting, from where you can follow a link to see the video itself.

If you are a Quinn supporter it may be an eye-opener for you…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2167136/Sensational-film-reveals-Quinn-family-trying-deal-Kiev-cash-Ireland-court-froze-assets.html

Wrong on both counts Yvonne – my only interest is as a concerned citizen and hardpressed taxpayer who is having two fingers stuck up at me by the Quinns.

So please take your conspiracy theory / ad hominem attack elsewhere.

Personally I don’t know enough about it to make a call on it. I don’t know how much Quinns were decieved by Anglo when pumping their money in to buying Anglo shares. How much was greed by Quinns ? No way of knowing the facts with the bits available to the public. What does say something is that Sean Quinn was a well established business man long before the celtic tiger and if he was a selfish greedy man out simply for personal gain, (like so many celtic tiger developers and bank managers like seanie fitz etc.)
Why do people who know the quinns support them ??
I would say keep an open mind on Sean Quinn, While it is wrong to ignore court orders, it is understandable that he does not want Anglo to swallow EVERYTHING he built over the years and certainly not if he was decieved by them

It’s very simple to me:
If I can’t pay my debts I go in front of a court who makes a decision that I can or can’t pay it back.
If I can’t pay, I’ll be declared bankrupt.
The same for Mr Quinn.
If I’m told I have to keep my assets at arms length and I start moving some of those, like my nice car, my camera, my iPad and MacBook and some cash to my brother, out of reach of the courts, I’ll be jailed.
So should the Quinns.

The problem with this country is and always has been that people rally around individuals and demand that they are treated differently because they created job, we’re so good for the local school and what not.
There’s one law and the Quinns have to obey this as much as anyone else.

Mark,
I know where you are coming from but Quinn did want to repay the entire debt (2.8), 2.3 of which was greatly disputed. He, and the directors of his company travelled the length and breath of Ireland showing his 7 year repayment plan to banks and ministers. The plan was viable and was approved very much of by most of them. Even Anglo seemed happy to go with the plan in the beginning. Then they realised that if they went with the plan, although the debt would be paid off, Quinn and his family would still have control of the companies. Now, Anglo saw euro signs, and it wasn’t for the tax-payer they were seeing them. They saw that there was potential to strip Quinn’s companies and make themselves and their colleagues a whole lot of bucks. (in the 28 months since Anglo took over Quinn’s companies and Groups they have been paid over 400 million euro in wages…..the administrators and new management…i kid you not). So a lot of people have become extremely wealthy over the last 2 years….and now Anglo are spending millions and millions of our money in pursuit of Quinn. I believe this pursuit is not so that the tax-payer is reimbursed, somewhat, but because they CANNOT let Quinn go ahead with his case against them. If this happens the S**t is really going to hit the fan and Anglo’s corruptions in their entirity will be revealed to you and I. Sean Quinn is not fooling me. I have read the facts and am refusing to be swayed by Dublin media and government/Anglo propaganda. Hard facts tell the truth. Argue all you like…but keep reading the facts ……

The facts are simple: Quinn was told, by a high court judge not to move assets. He did it anyways and now he’s in trouble.
it wasn’t Anglo or the Government who refused there 7-year fantasy plan, but it was an impartial judge that said the plans were unrealistic.

On a personal note: For a man of his status he’s showing very little dignity. He screwed up and now it’s all the government’s and Anglo’s fault: zero responsibility!
We all pay extra taxes because he and he screwed up his insurance business, trying to undercut the UK market without having the backup funds. He is Anglo! There is no difference!
I think after his admission to move these assets away was on purpose, he should be in jail, all his assets stripped and passports from all involved Quinn family members revoked.

Mark,
I believe that in all likelihood he will go to jail for contempt of court. A also believe that there are many people on this and other forums working for Anglo/ the government and making sure that people only hear on side of the story. All I’m saying is listen to the other side of the story. Every man deserves fair trial and Anglo are trying every dirty trick in the book to make sure Quinn doesn’t get one. That is not the system I want my children growing up in. Fair is fair

I find it nonsense to wave everything of as a conspiracy. The circle is getting larger and larger: Anglo, the government, the lawyers, the judges and the media all conspiring to do what?
The way i see it it’s really simple:
He admits to the wrongdoing! He had a fair trial and a fair chance, he didn’t take it. Blaming others for his lack of insight isn’t nice…

@YF
Not saying you’re wrong, but for the sake of transparency can you tell us where the figure of €400m for administrator wages comes from?

Matthoid,
I promised myself earlier that i wouldnt answer any of your questions as i believe you have an agenda over and above the ordinary irish citizen on this forum. The figure is an estimated one based on what is known has gone out of the companies in the 28 months and is a well-informed one, given to us at the rally. Mc Killop seemingly, to use one example of how tax-payers money is being used was paid 1000 euro an HOUR. Good day to you

YF
You’re welcome to your view, but I can assure you there’s no conspiracy going on here – I am exactly what I say I am, just an ordinary taxpayer who’s extremely pissed off that I’m being taken for a ride by both the former Anglo and by Quinn.

I prefer to deal in facts not hearsay, which is why I asked for the source of your figure, but it appears it may be just more Quinnspin.

That is also why I prefer to follow the High Court version of events and not the Anglospin or the Quinnspin version…

Mc Killop’s 1000 euro an hour wages were in a sunday paper about 18 months ago….i believe it was the Irish independent….anyway, write what you like….

YF
This would appear to be the link to your article:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/the-man-being-paid-900-an-hour-to-sort-out-quinn-group-2880219.html

It states that McKillop was paid €913 per hour, which I agree is completely obscene.

It also states that the total wage bill for all directors and consultants was running at €1m per week – another obscene figure.

I suspect that your figure of €400m represents the total wage bill for the Quinn group, including wages paid to all the ‘ordinary workers’ as well as the top directors.

1.6 Billion thanks to that incompetent fecker!!! It is thanks to the regulator and the government those people in Cavan still have a job..
Hang’m high, I’d say! Next to Sean Fitzpatrick, where he belongs!!!

http://www.newstalk.ie//2012/featured-5-slideshow-homepage/sean-quinn-admits-he-was-wreckless-wrong-and-foolish/

It is those who fall for the Anglo propaganda which we are also paying for, who are sheep

And put the “banjo” tune from Deliverence to the film.

You are not paying them you fool

@anel Just two words: Insurance Levy

Anel are you really that deluded??

David,

Those are very descriptive words. However, I think you miss the whole point of what is going on. There is a dispute over the validity of those debts. That is what the court case is about! You talk about the debts associated with Sean Quinn, the debts there is a dispute over. No one talks about the debts to be recovered from the Maple 10! As for your “descriptive” words. I think you should look in the mirror.

Who is protesting for an insurance company? People are protesting for injustice perpetrated on a family who have created thousands of jobs, in an economically deprived and politically unstable area.

Greed did not get the Quinn where they are. Anglo illegally lending money to support it’s own share price and Anglo falsifying accounts got the Quinns where they are today. Greed, on the other had created thousands of jobs, created an extremely profitable company and was responsible for paying around one billion in taxes to the state.

It’s even harder, it would appear from this comment, to say that you’re Irish.

Agreed!

Gerry Adams is a TD for Louth not Cavan.

Gerry Adams is a TD for Louth. This event was in Cavan.

My mistake :) however Louth people now join that list of clannish types

As you now join the list of silly commenters

Arbitrasure,

You say that Sean Quinn gambled with his employee’s livelihoods. That is incorrect. Sean Quinn took a large position in Anglo by anyones standards. However, the amount initially lost was able to dealt with. The Quinn Group recording profits of around €500million a year. It was the fact that Anglo convinced Sean Quinn to continue with his CFD positions that put huge financial strain on the Quinn Group.

You state that the dogs on the street knew that Anglo were cooking their books. I would be interested to know one person other than the very senior management of Anglo that knew this. Again, another poster remembering a time of fiction. If you know someone who knew this I would report them to the police because I am guessing they would be interested in knowing how. The one person that did know this was the financial regulator of the time. But instead of regulating and making this public the regulator instead allowed this to continue. Instead of informing shareholders and protecting their interests, the regulator allowed this to continue.

Feargal, I can see how you have been made believe this as this is the way the story has been unveiled by our very biased media. Quinn does admit the 455 million euro debt is his. Anglo have taken his insurance companies, health care company, hotels, pubs, factories and all of quinn group. Putting the value of all of these together is well in excess of 455 million. Anglo don’t want anyone thinking about that…..they brush that one under the carpet….because they think Irish people are stupid……Well done Anglo!

Red thumb counts may be all that matter to you Popcorn, but try to bring a little more to the debate than your bitterness

And do you believe that a man that built such a huge business from nothing could be so easily be led up the garden path? Don’t think so.

Whilst you are getting up to speed on the facts refrain from making long winded comments. Thanks.

A gang of gaa folk n a priest telling people what to do….never. unfortunately ireland is a country where so many people want to be told what to do…… baaaaaaaa! You cant just give hotels n companies that you dont own to your cousin.. simples!!

I agree Fiona. There is so much more to this story. And people seem to be so quick to jump on the ‘Hate Quinn /Love Anglo’ bandwagon. Quinn’s big case has not been heard yet. Maybe we should wait till then to make judgements…

“the Quinns did not ask to do business with the taxpayers”

…But don’t mind taking their money and losing it!

Be ANY individual be small or large fry – they are answerable to the Irish court system.
So far the Quinns have given two fingers to that alone.

…Or are you still willing to gloss over that and their antics still?
It seems so!

Carry on with the spin!

Poor Jeff. They don’t mind paying billons in tax over the past 30 years..billions Jeff!
They have not had their day in court as of yet….Anglo have brought various cases against them in an arrempt to stop the big case going ahead but they have not had their day.
How is that Times subscripton going? Reading about what the Quinns are wearing today??

Will you get a grip.

Charlie are you suggesting that people would simply and blindly accept the Anglo view of events ???
Do you not know that the commenters on the Journal are amongst the most intelligent, well informed, balanced people on the planet, who are experts on almost everything………

Many people at the rally have simply and blindly followed the Quinn version of events.
Personally I have followed the high court version of events.

The business model of Quinn Insurance has been adopted by all the large insurance companies in Ireland. The claims process invented by Quinn Insurance is now the norm. So if you mean a successful business model, you are correct.

kate, i think you should let us decide whether or not you are a ‘muppet’ or ‘gombeen’

based on your post, i think i would have to disagree with what i see as your rather generous opinion of yourself

Sad – just sad that Kate is so deluded!

Ed, I appreciate you feel very strongly on the subject but your anger is completely misguided. Perhaps if the national media were presenting a more two sided story, you may be better able to make an informed decision on the matter. To suggest that a community who supports a man who has done everything for that same community is what’s wrong with this country, is totallly unfathomable to me. Do you honestly believe that’s what is wrong with this country?!!? You have conveniently forgotten about Mr Ahern, Mr Fitzpatrick, Mr Neary…. the list goes on!! I would appeal to you to research the subject a little further, all you have to do is buy a regional paper.

Absolutely disgraceful remark Shane. Shame on you!

Shane,

You have a very condescending way about you. You believe your beliefs are true and that anyone that disagrees with you is a fool. As for he should stay stum over matters that go over his head, how dare you say the events that have occurred go over his head. The reality is that he is probably far better informed than yourself. Like the majority of the sheep on this board singing from the medias hymn sheet.

How dare you Shane Bradley,
You’ve taken derogatory to a new level