depends on the judge, some of them are just as likely to ignore the law as anyone else

Then appeal that court ruling until its overturned. It goes to a different judge. Apply for free legal aid so that it costs the state more to enforce this unnecessary tax.

No. As long as service was good then misspelling is irrelevant. If your Joe bloggs and its spelt Jo blogs as long as its serviced on you personally then there is no problem. Now if its a completely different name that’s a different story :)

Well it’s a completely different surname. It’s pronounced similar but not the same. First 2 letters are the only similarities in spelling.

If it sounds the same your out of luck :) because the prosecutor can just supply to amend the spelling error in court. As long as you received it then that’s all that matters. Just out of interest was it posted normally, registered or given to you by garda by hand? After all if it just came by ordinary mail and not handed to you its an awful shame how these things have a tendency to disappear before you get them :p when its registered or by police no getting out of if

Here’s my reply Vincent, Stop all aid to Africa till the people giving it. Are told where the 750 million a year is going and to whom. Attack me all you like, but you dis-credit yourself by being a FG footsoldier!

*Blunder*

34% in today’s poll with Red C. Seem to be doing well. Labour on the other hand….

The yes voters are like sh$t to a blanket. They sold a pup and they elected a Right-wing conservative government who will destroy society.

I though Brian Stanley and werejammin were talking pure dribble but jesus, you have just taken it to a whole new level!

trying to have a ‘though’ was your first mistake dave me oul flower, you know it just doesn’t work

Revolting Peasant
We know not whether laws be right or whether they are wrong
For all we know who lie in gaol is that these walls are strong
And that each day is like a year
A year who’s days are long.

[Reading Gaol]

Enjoy jail

I’m sure there is a typo in some of your rubbish if i could bring myself to read it.

you people make me laugh so much, you argue in support and uphold a system that subjugates you, and when its pointed out in black and white you refuse to see it, i could understand if you were unintelligent but this wilful denial is a mystery to me

@rory conway, enjoy jail? how so? i am not a criminal

@david if you didnt read it then how do you know its rubbish? not your cleverest comment lad

@ revolting. Obviously i started to read it and gave up fairly quickly. Not that hard to figure out you know.

@david the only obvious thing is that as usual you have nothing of merit to add to any debate

It’s well more than that mate. The thing is, they are counting “selectively” in order to shame the ones standing up to them.

That’s Irish governance for ya, spend thousands to get €100

I suppose when they finally collect that 100euro they will just send it to some church or charity anyway…..

Why blame mayo cc lol they are just enforcing the law. Its not local government you should have issue with. Actually you should be glad they are do efficient. Its the legislation and those who put it in place is who you should have issue with. FF signed us up for it FG imposed it on us

well said ill be going to show my support if i can

I wonder did enda get a summons, after all he said a tax on someone’s home was a terrible thing (pre-election) !!!

You would think a party so familiar with court appearances and criminalisation would understand how the system works. Mayo Coco are not making people criminals. People are making themselves criminals by not paying their fair share.

Vincent,

They already do pay their ‘fair share’. The people pay the lion’s share of revenue. The top 1% wealthy pay nothing.

Sorry but I’ll be busy doing something useful and productive that day and every other day. The law is the law. A tax is a tax. Calm down, sit down, do up a CV and get your arse something useful to be doing.

#Una- In this instance, “fair share” isn’t open to debate. It’s the amount required by the law of the land. This country is broke. The state can’t afford the services expected. This charge is applied to bridge the gap. Using the services while not paying the charge is inherently unfair. Not to mention illegal.

Eric,

wondering about your re-election,concerned about your state of mind if people give Kenny another landslide victory.

Vincent,

The state can afford services…they are paying € 30 billion Promissory Note to un-secured, un-guaranteed, un-covered Bondholders.

Eric Keane ,
I am so happy for you that you will are busy and will be busy,Good for you. ”You say ”Calm down, sit down, do up a CV and get your arse something useful to be doing.”
Speaking for myself , I lead a very productive life. I am retired and have always worked from 15 yrs old , raised a family, and I am now retired. I have paid my way and paid and paid and paid. Now as this is a self registration charge ,I made an informed decision not to pay this charge. But Eric you go ahead and sit in judgement of all the home owners who will not pay this charge. Cheers.

I’ll drive from Dublin to disrupt this

Eric, if you’ve nothing useful to say then do yourself and others a favour and keep your mouth shut. Gombeen.

Eric pipe down.

Do up CVs, ok I’m sure most have already done this. Next step Eric. Where exactly would you like 400 odd thousand to send these CVs too??

Trolling on the Internet isn’t productive by the way.

Now as I said Eric, pipe down pipe the hell down!

Vincent, pull your head of the sand, fair share? Nearly €400m euro is owed to County Councils by property developers. Where are their court summonses?

#MarkGrehan… No argument there, Mark.

Eric- do up a cv for what? I have a job. I also got together with the other members of our estate to fix up our estate because the council keep ignoring us. And we done it cheaper that they are charging. I already pay a fortune in tax

Unpaid day off work… €120
1/2 a Tank of petrol €40
2 Six packs of larger €16
Poster Board and marker €6.50

Fighting the establishment over the legal homeowners tax you claim you can’t afford to pay… PRICELESS

@Andrew
The amount got kicked up to €400 for six months in 2013. In 2014, it is scheduled to go up to €1000. That’s for a the SMALLEST house.

What’s more, this is a principle issue. Many of those living in a house today – in fact the majority of those who are suffering from negative equity and nosebleed-high variable rates imposed by the same banks being bailed out – have already paid taxes to own their home, some enough to have paid up for over 60 years, even at the rate the government plans to inflate. I paid over €30k in taxes when I bought my home. Should I be taxed again? There are laws against double taxation, which have not changed.

Tell me again how your sum adds that up? Idiot.

Is that for real Joseph ??

Well it’s there under exemptions of the household charge

this country has a judicial system thats the envy of many, your going down the wrong track on that one.

Leonard, Who appoints judges and who was in Government the last 20 years. All you have to do, is pass laws that suit the Government. Why aren’t judges independently nominated and appointed, also who advises the Government on Laws to introduce? Figure that out and good luck!

#Stephen- you’re such champion of the people, aren’t you? I just can’t understand why it is then, that the people of Ireland elected Enda Kenny to lead us and not you? They’re so ungrateful, aren’t they? Maybe if your insightful political and economic analysis was put on the school curriculum or something?

You’re so far up your own backside, its actually funny! Wait and see what happens, you’ll wake up then?

Every time you open your mouth Stephen I can’t help picturing you pedalling around on your unicycle in over sized shoes under the big top.

Stephen, just reading your tweets to Charlie Flanagan. I wonder whether the starving of Africa would interpret your call to stop Irish foreign aid as turning “Darkness into light”? Quite the humanitarian, you are.

My eyesight is going, my reply is back up there vinny and read it!

People who deserve to be hung and quartered…

Coco, have a wee read of the story about the new Red C poll. It would seem your analysis of our Government is not universally shared. I’m devastated for you.

So people want more taxes? Fine Gael are only up because people are determined to keep Fianna Fail out. In time, they will soon abandon both these parties and embrace the alternatives on the left

Write away. You might want to use your computer’s spell-checker feature, though.

“One may well ask: “How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?” The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that “an unjust law is no law at all.”

MLK – Letter from a Birmingham Jail

Meanwhile TDs in the dail have JUST voted a budget increase for themselves to 112ml from 108ml -”approved by 66 votes to 40″. Need to know the 66 names please and a mid-term break was also agreed. They won’t have any problem paying their 100 household charge. How can they bring in all this austerity and then vote this increase and a mid-term break!!! We are being taken for fools!

Some people will disobey it because it’s an unjust law, what paid for all the services before the household charge?

#werejammin You don’t get to decide which laws are just or unjust. The people elect a Government to make our laws. That is where they get their moral legitimacy. If everyone just disregarded laws they didn’t like it would be anarchy.

Take it up with MLK, or else get back to me when you’ve devoted your life to civil rights, social justice and equality like he did.

VD, you sound like a disease and all. This government are implenting policies by the last regime and were not given a mandate by the people to do as they bankrupted the Country. FG and Labour lied, cheated and u-turned on every election promise made. So they are continuing the last governments un-elected policy and that’s why FF/Greens were thrown out. Tell us all here, Do you have the brains of an Ass or the memory of a fish?

@vincent dolan i refer you to the penal laws and the anti-jewish laws in germany in the 30s and 40s, you say these laws should be obeyed because an elected government decreed them? you are no better than a sheep if you refuse to use your own morals

#Stephen..quite the brave keyboard cowboy aren’t you? But seriously is VD the best you got. Is that really the height of your wit? FG are trying to undo the catastrophic damage inflicted on this country by the last Government. Serious times call for serious people. Not clowns like you who reside in the wonderful land of make believe and wishful thinking.

#Revolting Lets not besmirch the legitimacy of conscientious objectors by associating tax dodgers with them.

#Ian Our beloved property bubble brought the money in to pay for services…

Vincent Dolan.
And the next government will be undoing the catastrophic mess this lot are making of the country
And the government following that will be undoing the mess the previous one made, Vincent you cannot keep using that excuse, the government of the day need to listen to people, and if they make promises they need to fulfil them.

Typical of a FG diehard or labour, They can do no wrong in your eyes. I’ll educate you, FF/greens thrown out due to the policies they introduced to bailout banks and builders. FG/Labour promises change and reforms, to get elected.They get elected and continue FF policies, because they haven’t the brains nor balls to stand up for their paymasters. If you cant understand that much, you’re thicker than I thought and the Country is Screwed!

#Stephen..I don’t need to be educated by someone with green hair, wearing a red nose and sporting a flower on his lapel that squirts water…

@ stephen theres no point in trying to reason with these people, they simply refuse to recognise the lies and deceit, let them stew in it when it collapses around their collective ears

“Brian Stanley TD ought to realise , as a legislator, that the law will not criminalise anyone. They do it themselves by not obeying it.”

Pot,Kettle,Black!!!

http://www.thejournal.ie/government-legal-advice-mobility-allowance-649033-Oct2012/

It’s not a law. It’s a tax that we have already paid, and continue to pay via income and stamp duty taxes. We are among the highest paid taxed individuals in the world, but unlike those very few peers who are taxed as high as us, we have very little to show for it.

If the FG supporters want to pay this tax, you are entitled to do so. However, the rest of Irish society will decide for themselves – not by suppression or bully threats.

Well where is the money coming from to pay the unsecured bond holders billions, from the taxpayers !!!!

Love the fine gael ‘like’ on your facebook page.

Cheers for the unbiased input.

Vincent
We all contribute , a lot.

What a waste of nine months you are Vincent .

lol wild rover thats a bit harsh

If you ever wonder, what’s wrong with this Country? Read Vincent Dolan’s Comments, he should get an Award of ‘SS member of the year’!

you can’t get blood from a stone

Bailing out speculators on the bond markets can hardly be defined as a national crisis.

#Werejammin I vote FG because of my beliefs. I don’t have beliefs because I vote FG. I’m biased by having paid the tax and my expectation that everyone should have to do the same.

#Una- all taxes are extracted by bully boy tactics if you think about it in that you’re going to jail if you evade them. The Household charge is no different.

#WildRover your comment is just about what I would expect from an apologist for tax evaders. Brave of you to use a pseudo name by the way.

And just where are the tens of thousands of prison spaces coming from. Even if someone was to be sent to prison for refusing to pay a court fine relating to the household charge – which both FG & Labour campaigned against, yet more lies – they would be in and out in a few hours max. Worth it to avoid giving more money to gambling bondholders.

vincent everyone doesnt have to pay thats why it is an unfair tax.

What do you mean by the rest of us? Us home owners who avail of the exactly same services as those in social housing who are exempt from this charge! Why should I pay when many others don’t have to?

Oh, you mean how FG and labor are contributing by… increasing their expenses and salaries? What a douche..

Yes, lets tax the Irish more “immoral, unjust and unfair” taxes while the FG and labor parties increase their own wages and expenses, while at the same time reducing taxes for the wealthy.

Yes, lets put the boot in to the bloody peasants, it’s not like they’re the people the FG and Labor are meant to protect as the government are voted in for. It’s not like Kenny and Gilmore should be standing up for his nation, oh no, an Irishman has no right to own land because the English – er, sorry – the Germans said so.

This tax is going to fill the gap left by your precious party stealing our taxes to pay bondholders.

Water is a basic right. Until mine stops tasting like pig shyte laced with fluoride then I won’t be paying

The tax is going towards deficit reduction not the bank debts, the government has made it clear they will make the banks competitive whilst they work on a deal from Europe for the ESM to make said banks be able to fill the gaps in their resources until they complete a reform program.

Water is a right, when it’s from a river not through pipes the taxpayers paid for. If you paid for your water you’d get a better service. Don’t moan about the services you receive if you don’t pay for their funding through the household charge.

@Fine Gael fan: if this tax goes to pay the services you mentioned then please explain in detail what the following pays for. Vat, paye, Prsi,usc, vrt,motor tax.

Deficit for 2012, 18 billion. Amount paid to bondholders by fine gael in 2012, 18 billion.

Take your time

utter tripe

I paid my stamp duty on this house that I moved into long before this property tax bullshit came in so I am well entitled to complain.
The sooner you lot of crooks and shysters are out the door the better, Christ ye are worse than the last lot

this tax will fund the likes of county managers on ?160000 per year. Priminister of Spain ?120000.It will be used to feed all politicians snouts at the trough. we can send ?600,000,000 plus taxpayers money abroad for charity and we have mo money ay home for frontline medical/policing etc. its dissappointing

as I was saying before my previous took of on me I am so dissappointed listening to the crap comming from the Gov’. All I hear is SPINDOCTOR and Dept Sec’s bullshit. I voted for Enda because I believed him when he said he had balls. Sadly we all now know different!

All taxes are distributed evenly across all sectors of government, if you don’t like it tough luck. Move to some far-left country which is going to go down the gutter. The deficit was €25 billion in 2011 and the banks paid back the banks debts, the decisions are beyond the control of the government at this moment in time. I paid VAT on my high-end tv, I still pay the tv license. The number of councilors is likely to be reduced dramatically at the next election and all your figures are from fairyland. None of you far-left lot pay your taxes so you shouldn’t even be allowed an opinion. How can you not afford €100 when you can afford an internet connection and a laptop? It doesn’t add up.

Absolute garbage from FG fan – that and stupidity!

Also Aidan, i’m not a member of government or the Fine Gael party, just a fan of their great work.

@Biggins31 It’s not stupidity, it’s honesty. The far-left such as yourself appear to have a problem with obeying the law and paying their taxes, that is an insult to those who actually pay their taxes like myself.

@ Fine Gael Fan

…And again as I have posted in another news topic here, you could not be more wrong about I being far left.
I am a member of The Irish Democratic Party.
Try reading or even glancing through their available documents.
You might actually learn just how far wrong you are (again!). Whats new!

I suspect you don’t want to be proved wrong – well what can one expect from someone so easily led?

Go troll elsewhere and set-up more fake twitter accounts will you?
There’s a good chap!

0 followers/following tells all it needs to know.

@Biggins31 I haven’t time to read far-left propaganda trying to claim they’re not far-left they’ll just take the actions of the far-left and i’m certainly not a troll. I might not use a personal account on this site(as I don’t want my actual name on this site for privacy reasons, as is my right). Alan, go to the Red C poll story as that explains why I do not follow anyone and if no one follows me then that’s their choice, that is beyond my control. If I could magically have followers i’d have 10 million I could market my products to by now but life isn’t that easy like you far-left think it is.

What’s all this far left stuff? Don’t get it. I know you are far out though

OMG,Michael Graham, I wasnt aware you were obliged to pay your taxes to the Irish state as I am. I also pay vat on all my purchases,prsi etc on my wages, excise+ vat on my petrol and VRTon my car,even vat on the repair and upkeep, must I go on?.I dont get paid unvouched expenses to go to work or appearence money.By the way Michael it is public fact Cork county manager ?160000.I have paid my taxes for 35 years and I love working. I wonder why I am paying 34 times more in Ireland for a packet of tablets than in the uk????.What happened to Brendan Howlins balls???? The unions to him to F off! and yes I am a Democrate Michael!

Um, no it’s not. It’s going to bondholders – bondholders who, I must add, have not even been identified.

Stop defending the powerful & rich at this stage, its like a peasant kissing the muddy boots of his overlored= its embarrassing hehehe ;-D