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Video: ‘I’m not ruling anything out’ – Micheál Martin on Fine Gael or Sinn Féin coalition

The Fianna Fáil leader also explained why his party didn’t introduce a property tax when in government and outlined his views on social media in a wide-ranging interview with TheJournal.ie this week.

Micheál Martin speaking to TheJournal.ie this week
Micheál Martin speaking to TheJournal.ie this week
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MICHEÁL MARTIN IS not ruling out the possibility of Fianna Fáil going into coalition with either Sinn Féin or Fine Gael after the next general election but said it was not something he was focusing on at this moment.

In a lengthy interview with TheJournal.ie this week, Martin said that little had changed in terms of the way politics has been conducted since the formation of the Fine Gael and Labour coalition two years ago.

“There was no political change,” he said this week. “The Dáil is still the creature of government, there is no strong parliament, there is no separation between parliament and government.

“We don’t bring in people from outside of the government, there’s no change to the electoral system. So people are rightly sort of disillusioned with the lack of any radical political reform.”

Martin said that leading Fianna Fáil, which was in power as the country was plunged into an EU/IMF bailout less than two years but which has topped a recent opinion poll, gave him an opportunity to lead it in a different direction.

“I am not ruling anything in or out at this stage. It’s far too early,” he said when asked about the possibility of going into coalition with either Fine Gael or Sinn Féin after the next general election.

On coalition with Fine Gael or Sinn Féin:



Current polls project that Fianna Fáil would win around 50 seats at the next election so it would need the support of one other major party in order to form a government but Martin said this was not concerning him at present.

“What I am more concerned about is renewing the Fianna Fáil party and we’ve a long journey to go.

“I mean I think people are jumping the gun in terms of the next election and who gets what because it’s very speculative at this stage and its based on kind of opinion polls and so on.”

Martin also explained that the party’s decision to oppose the introduction of the property tax last December was based on the fact there was a mortgage arrears crisis in the country.

He said that growth targets set out in the four-year-plan in 2010 did not come to fruition.

“The property market is very flat at the moment. We’re not really going to help it by the imposition of the property tax at this particular point in time,” he said.

On property tax and why Fianna Fáil didn’t introduce it:



Martin also said that while the recent deal on the promissory note issued in respect of the former Anglo Irish Bank was a positive step the government should have asked for a debt writedown.

He said that that any savings on the deficit should be put towards budgetary measures saying that there needed to be an “alleviation of the taxpayers’ plight”.

“The ordinary citizen on the ground isn’t getting an respite from the major agreements that have been made between banks and governments,” he said.

Asked about the rise of social media websites and their impact on politics and politicians Martin said he was keen that the government did not overreact to the advent of new media but said he had concerns about how young people are affected by it.

“My one concern would be around how children and issues pertaining to children can go viral too quickly with potentially damaging consequences to the child so there’s an issue around children’s rights that concerns me,” he said.

On social media:


More from Micheál Martin’s interview with TheJournal.ie:

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Comments (86 Comments)

  • Liam 17/02/13 #

    It’s ironic that he would be highly critical of other parties and their policies, yet at the same time have no problem going into government with them, the truth is that Fianna Fail have not changed since they were last in government, only concerned with their own personal interests, a new party is certainly needed for the next election.

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    • My god. That man really does have no respect for the Irish people. In most other civilised jurisdictions, anyone involved in the decision making process that led to this country guaranteeing the debts of unregulated money lenders, would be spending the rest of their lives in Jail. What a pathetic race we are.

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    • With all due respect, as a nation you seem utterly incapable of ruling yourselves. Is it not better to become part of the UK? You have no sovereignty or independence left anyway because you voted to give it away, so it would seem you have nothing to loose and everything to gain. I doubt any people in the world would return the very government that destroyed them into power again? You have one of the worst health care systems in the world. You have rising crime levels with a minister who seems to have no idea what he is doing and a police force that are protesting against him. Your legal system is unbelievably outdated. Your economy is on its knees yet your leaders seem completely lost and clueless. Your educational system is falling apart and none of your Universities rank anywhere in the world. Your politicians seem to laugh at you, yet you accept them and their incredibly high salaries compared to politicians in the same job in other countries….why don’t you demand they half their salaries, I mean what exactly have they done for you recently? Your elected leader Enda Kenny is a qualified primary school teacher I believe…what do you think that says about you? Other than the beautiful countryside, does anything actually work as it should in Ireland…seriously?

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    • There are two things I detest about martin… His face !!!!

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    • Why is Sophie getting so many red thumbs? Everything she says is true. If the likes of Enda Kenny, Phil Hogan and Lucinda Creighton are truly the best people we can find to lead us, then god help us all.

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    • Eamonn 17/02/13 #

      “with all due respect” really Sophie?

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    • Sophie,

      The Rothschilds own us all as we must use their money to live in this world. That includes you too. They create it out of thin air and lend it to countries at interest. Since they control the total amount that is ever in circulation, then the interest is never paid back, which is why we have world debt.

      You see, to keep the Irish under the illusion that we actually have a democracy, we need a number of parties from which to decide on and and vote for. These parties need leaders so we have a face to put to the name when we vote.

      But sadly, they are all the same. They have no regard for us as they take their orders via ‘special advisors’ appointed by the above family and their subs.

      Ireland is has a vast wealth in respect to RAW materials. They are stolen from us daily and we must borrow money to buy them back. That is why we are in the place we are. The fact that the majority of the Irish are ignorant o that, doesn’t help. That’s why we don’t riot / protest / revolt.

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    • Ouch Tom. That’s a bit uncalled for. It sounds like you may have gotten out of the wrong side of the bed this morning. Why do you suggest I’m “non Irish”? Is this because I have the temerity to criticise the way my country is run. I make no apology for expressing my opinions, but I take offence that a little faceless person such as you can refer to me as an “odious mouthpiece”!

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    • @ Eamon, what I wrote was not intended to be disrespectful.

      @Jason, thoroughly agree, well said.

      @Tom Other than me being a pesky ‘Non-Irish user’ do you actually disagree with anything in particular I wrote? Why do you feel insulted?

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    • I think the red thumbs come from Sophie’s comments coming across as condescending no matter how true they may be.
      I would liken them to one parent criticising another’s child while seeing no wrong in her own. I’m curious where you are actually from sophie because the fact that you’re on an Irish online news app tells me you probably live in this awful place you describe so the place you came from cant be a whole lot better!

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    • Elrat 17/02/13 #

      Love it!

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    • Tom, what she says is true im afraid.

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    • Sophie’s comment hurts like a slap in the face with a wet fish.
      Now that I’ve wiped my face I can see that she is correct.

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    • @sophie – u are correct . we follow the USA mainly – a failed state and one that embraced slavery .
      wheter it was FFor FG or any of main parties – they would have embarced the Neo-liberalism that ruined us – and yes FF – put the debt onto the people . Does anyone think FG would have done diferent ?

      ”leaders seem completely lost and clueless”
      However our leaders are not lost – they do waht they are told to do by their bosses – the troika and USA .
      This is a failed state – and there is no end in sight – depite the lies .
      we need a new party – that has the guts and ability to serve the people – and tell IMF to f## off .
      the Civil service do the actual day to day stuff anyway – so waht we need is a new direction – away from any neo liberal economics . Why did we not folow the social democracies of the nordic states ??

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    • Julie 17/02/13 #

      Well said Jason ! Totally agree. money was created as debt. Debt slaves.

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    • Although what you say is shamefully correct. You need to learn that you do disrespect us by saying we’re better off in the UK. Anyway, I see Scotland are doing great in this recession.

      Thanks for the tax dollars, you germans are so kind. We’ll stay “good” and pay our debts, but don’t forget the billions of German & European private debts wrapped up in our banking system too. You could at least say thank you!

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    • A new party made up of?

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  • Typical cycle of irish politics FF screw things up and a coalition government is formed by a bunch of idiots promising all kinds of reforms, they get in and the first thing they do is protect their pensions. Then they break every promise they made and blame the previous government for it. The Irish people re elect FF and the cycle starts again.
    This is Irish Politics since the founding of the state.

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    • How can this horrible cycle be broken? It appears that everyone is aware of it! Does anyone have a solution?

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    • We know what to do but some won’t vote in “terrorists”

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    • Exactly… Party Politics does not work.
      End of.
      Huge change is needed but it will not happen until people demand change..

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    • ((1)The whip system in the political parties has to go, because it is anti-democracy.(2) The seanad has to be restructured and reduced linked to local government. (3) Transparency in Government and personal conflicts of interest declared. i.e. positions held in the private sector and those held by immediate family or in-laws. Membership of fraternities religious or freemasonry past or present.(4) No immunity from expulsion or having pensions suspended or revoked. (5) Seperation of the judical system and Government (no political appointments jobs for the boys). (6) Total seperation of church and state.
      There is enough talent and political will for change in this country but the political party whip system makes sure that the status quo remains. How often do we hear the excuse had to go with the party ….sorry! which absolves the person of any personal responsibility. It is really that simple, only the waffelers will tell you change is difficult, they are only protecting their own interests.

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    • Rebellion

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    • Joe! Thanks for being clear and concise. Many points you have highlighted, I also found problematic. However, I was unable to link the problems together. Though my knowledge is growing concerning the nuances the Irish Constitution, government and judicial system… I still have a bit to learn. Using your points, I plan to research theses areas.

      The one point that I am antnamate about is the seperation of church and state. After reading the Irish Constitution. .. It implies that the church has final say as to governess of this country, then an amendment states that money from the government is not finance church functions (paraphrasing). This I find is a major issue… What I find even more perplexing. .. Is the citizens of this country are not aware of this.

      Personally… I don’t believe in a revoloution…. However, I agree with the French. Amendments to a country’s constitution can become too difficult to realize, understand and ineffective. It is better to re-assess, reevaluate and then rewrite.

      We have learned so much since the 1936. Let’s put this wisdom and knowledge into words and letall tax payers and their fafamilies benefit.

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  • So he’d basically get into bed with anyone to gain power?

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  • They say you get the government you deserve.
    Im not endorsing the current government in any way nor am I a supporter of either party, but if FF get back into power in any shape ar next GE, we should change the country’s name to : Republic of idiots and Amnesia !

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    • Nigel. We’re a population of just 4 million not a lot to choose from so need to upset the applecart and vote in some entirely different government. FF and FG are all buddies from way back. Went to same schools and even are related to each other and nobody could do a worse job in government than either of these self serving cliques

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    • Susanna I agree totally. There is now evidence of some new political formations,which by the time the next election comes around,should be well established and giving a new fresh alternative.
      Also the ‘left’ in this country are always ridiculed by the ‘establishment’ because of their fair,socilalist policies but they also ridicule their economic policies… Lets call a spade a spade,the economic policies of the parties on the right ie PD’s, FF, FG have hardly been successful now have they!!??!??

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    • The Left are always ridiculed because they spend most of their time stabbing each other in the back and couldn’t agree on a coherent policy Even the so called United Left Alliance has now collapsed due to infighting and grandstanding by different organisations involved.

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  • No real choice in Irish politics, tweedle dum or tweedle dee, a new party with new faces and new voices and no historical baggage, would be good.

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  • Desperation…. A stage encountered when glory is lost.

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  • The musings of a politician in opposition which amounts to meaningless drival.

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  • It just goes to show what a really bad Job FG/Labour are doing for anyone to think about voting FF ever again.

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  • This is info drip feed. Its planned. He is just following the script.

    And we’ll either lap it up or just complain about it to each other.

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  • I would certainly hope that Fianna Fáil would never ever get elected again in my lifetime you only have to look to the previous leaders of Fianna Fáil and see what there legacy has left us with mass unemployment in dept to billions of euro a half functioning health service Taxes on Taxes
    I would certainly agree that a new fresh party is needed for Ireland but this is impossible as you’ll have defectors from already existing parties jumping ship to join the new
    But at the end of the day it’s neither the political leader nor its party that runs Ireland it’s civil servants and major eu leaders

    So until a utopian party is formed I live in hope

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  • I’d rather let the British come back and run things again than let Fianna Fáil back into government

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  • Still at the lies.

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  • Is there a plan to day this with all party leaders? Why are Fianna Fail getting all this coverage.

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  • Hugh O Connell do you have any links to any article that you’ve ever written, that isn’t about Michael Martin?
    A relation I take it? Or just your idol?

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  • Hi all,

    Couple of you have this week have suggested that in someway I am in the pocket of Fianna Fáil or pushing their political agenda through TheJournal.ie because of our extensive coverage of our interview with Micheál Martin this week.

    To be clear this is the first of a series of interviews we intend and hope to do with all party leaders and in all cases we intend to provide the same level of coverage to these interviews in terms of text and audio.

    After all we don’t want to be accused of holding anything back from any interview we do which is why we’ve disclosed almost the entirety of our interview with Micheál Martin this week.

    As for those who asked about whether I write about anything else. Here’s a link to the hundreds if not thousands of other articles I have written for TheJournal.ie: http://www.thejournal.ie/author/hugh-o’connell/

    Thanks,

    Hugh

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  • Take a good look at this. It’s what we’ve been doing here from the word go. Time has come to wake up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEYwVb-6TeE

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  • Where do they get these Opinion polls from ..

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  • If the irish electorate vote Fianna Fáil back in then we really do deserve everything we get. Will we ever learn ?.

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  • Mjhint 17/02/13 #

    In my view ff has no interest in coalition with sf. Martin is being careful & riding these polls. He also made comments about abortion the other day in what I saw was pandering to a certain group in the electorate. He is clever & cunning but very cautious. We need a new type of politics in this country something with a fresh approach & no baggage attached. If this poll is correct we as a people need to realise ff only offer the same as before just packaged differently.

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  • As a social democrat, I would only support my party going into coalition with FF if:

    - they abolish property tax and water charges by compensating with spending cuts (entitlements, grants, wages, subsidies and a wealth tax). All the taxes in the world won’t lead to prosperity if we don’t cut spending.

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  • If you look at the percentages in the poll, all we ever going to get for the next decade or more is coalition governments.

    We’ve seen that every majority or minority party that takes power ruins their reputation and when ousted, hangs around for a bit while in opposition and gets to say whatever populist rhetoric they want, therefore gaining popularity. Then when the next govt needs to be formed they take a minority/majority position and the entire cycle begins anew.

    There is NO choice and the world is going to shake their heads in disbelief when (not if) FF reclaim power.

    We have too many parties, too many coalitions and a proportional representation system that ensures no one party can take power and enact actual change rather than a compromise, watered-down version of policy that nobody asked for. You can’t say that “you get the government you deserve” because in Irish politics, the voters’ turn up and then the parties use whatever leverage they have to slice and dice a coalition that nobody asked for afterwards.

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  • Patronising clot.

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  • According to this mornings opinion poll a large number of Irish Citizens disagree with most of the comments posted here as Fianna Fáil comes in as the most popular party for a second time.
    This is due to constructive opposition on our behalf rather than populist grandstanding. People realise that they were sold a pup with this government and are hugely disappointed with the Labour Party especially.

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  • Lads did ye see latest opinion poll wasn’t it great news altogether :)

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  • MM, I mean.

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  • To say one positive thing, I think his views on social media are good!

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  • He is not ruling anything out ,but the people might

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  • It seems that no matter who’s in power in this country there will never be any accountability for the mismanagement and corruption that goes on http://t.co/u6l3YjBx The current government has attached a financial noose around our necks ensureing business as usual for the banking elite while the ordinary people of this country fight over the scraps! Rise Up!!

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  • we certainly got a pup alright mr conaghan but the wolves disguise in sheeps clothing for now are still the same as ever i would like to describe them in more colourful language but it not be listed

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  • Yawn..! Come on journal , any real news today?

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  • Those polls are bullshit. I think FF and FG should merge and SF merge with Labour. Then we’d have one party right of left of centre and another left of right of centre. We’d need another new party to have at least 3 choices. Then if we reduced the number of TDs to about 50 and make them accountable for what they do and spend we might just have a chance to bring this country back up off its knees otherwise it’s just talk.

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