I think you must be commenting on a different article.

The history of Israel started along time before 1948. You may want to review your thoughts about the Israel/Palestinian issue when you take into account what happened in the Middle East before WW2.

In 70 years Mayo will be apologising for the generational cleansing by emigration imposed by the Troika’s extractive financial reich…Drumcondra will by under the rising sea so they needn’t be troubled. The beat goes on.

That might be your opinion Patrick, but what’s racist about what i said? And I am educated so don’t throw those comments at me, you don’t know me, only difference is I do my own research and not just regurgitate everything i hear as you do, that’s why you go for cheap shots like “idiots and racists” heard it all before!

@George We still await the point that you hadn’t got the balls to make in the first place. Instead you decided to allude to a point about the Ukraine that had absolutely nothing to do with the Norwegian apology. So,you say your educated, in what? cheap shots, trivialising the deaths of millions through deeply flawed biased research.

You seem like a very nice lad Stephen by the way you talk, very well educated. Actually I did make my point but it was deleted. I was making the point that because some Norwegians backed the Nazis and they apologize that the Jews should apologize because a large number of Jews were Communist killers who killed millions of Ukrainians. You obviously didn’t see that point, if you still don’t get it I can draw you a nice little diagram with pictures and colours if you like?

@George that is exactly the way it read to me as I saw exactly what you were alluding to. I would have much preferred that you made the point straight away. Of course the point you are making is highly dubious, unfounded, and utter nonsense. The Ukrainian famine was the result of the policies of the Soviet regime and cannot be attributed to a single cause. The Soviet regime was composed of people from many backgrounds, so taking your logic that the Jews who were part of that regime should apologise then so should the Orthodox and Roman Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Buddhist, Poles, Ukrainians, Turkmen, Russian, Georgian, Moldovans, Belorussian and all the other countries and religious groups that made up the regime. That kind of logic dilutes the point you are trying to make I think. No need for diagrams George, or colours, we can see the exact colour of your post by its content.

Well, as you know, certain things are acceptable and unacceptable to say online and those which some consider unacceptable are usually deleted in a hurry so my comment was giving a hint and if you can’t read between the lines well that’s your problem. I know about what happened in Ukraine and if you knew half of what you let on you know you would know that the early Bolshevik movement had a significant number of Jewish Commissars, Lenin, Trotsky (Bronstein as is his real name), Beria, Yagoda etc. etc. Obviously they were not all Jews but they were over represented in the ranks of the Communist party and the NKVD. You made the point that many Ukrainians dies of hunger, well the same could be said for the Jews in the concentration camps but the Germans have to pay reparations and the Jews don’t. And now you’ll say the Germans did the damage, not all Nazis were German, they came from all over too. Do you not see the double standard, why are the Jews always the blameless victims.

@George I never claimed to be an expert on the Ukraine and its famine, so I am not letting anything on. Again your analogy is fatally flawed, for a start both the Soviets and the German National Socialists were extremist regimes that imposed their policies on geographical areas where they were in control. The Jews were not a regime they had no country or government system to impose anything on anyone, so your point is pointless. Your point on starvation (there was no corresponding famine though) in the concentration camps is valid, however, more people were killed using the industrial methods than can be attributed to starvation. I hope you are not attempting to trivialise the deaths through deliberate extermination policy of approx 12 million people during the war. Only half the people killed were Jewish, and if the policies had been fully implemented they would not have been at the top of the casualty list, unfortunately they were first, and thankfully the Germans lost the war before they could finish their work. George, I detect that you have a bit of a beef with the Jews. Are you an extremist? be honest with us George L Rockwell, are you a neo nazi?

George, given your line of thought, who do we blame for the high number of Nazi phycopaths many of whom were Roman Catholic?

@ Stephen, look my point is not all Germans were National Socialists same as not all Jews were Communists but the Communist movement had a huge number of Jewish leaders, Marxism itself is a Jewish doctrine but the whole of Germany has to pay (and has paid so far aprox. 80 billion dollars to Jews) but the Jews get away scot free. Look at their crimes for the past few decades as a nation in Palestine, imagine the palestinians demanded reparations the way they do, they’d be laughed at. They are always trying to bleed a bit more guilt money out of anyone, the Swiss, the Swedish, the Germans and so on. Why them? Were they the onle ones to suffer? That’s my point, they have a special victim status that no one else is entitled to and if you highlight this you are denounced as a “hater”. the holocaust and the camps, that’s another discussion for another day because I have too much to say on that to briefly say here. Finally to answer your question, am i a Nazi sympathiser – I am an admirer of Adolf Hitler. Why did everyone go to war against Germany? According to the official story they teach you on discovery channel, to ensure Polish freedon right? Well who had Poland after the war? Who had half of Europe by the neck? Bloodthirsty Communists.

Reg, you clearly recieved your history education from Steven Speilberg. But who do we blame for the “nazi psychopaths” – Who pays the reparations? Is it the so called Nazi psychos as you say? No it’s the whole German people, most of whom weren’t even born back then.

@George Though not all Germans were National Socialists, a great many of them were and gave the regime their tacit support. However, you cannot make the case that Marxism is a Jewish doctrine, for a start Marxism rejects religion; therefore it cannot be a Jewish doctrine. To make a comparison, and if we imply your logic Fascism we could say is a Roman Catholic doctrine because many of the Fascist leaders were RC (Franco, Hitler, Mussolini, Pavelić, et al) again the analogy falls down because it was not a religious doctrine and was never adopted by the church. Both Marxism and Fascism as experienced by the peoples of Europe in the 20th century were examples of extreme authoritarian regimes whose policies and practices caused much suffering. These political ideologies stand on their own, as purely political, you cannot make a valid case that one was Catholic and the other Jewish.
The compensation paid by the German government for the Holocaust is a negotiated settlement unlike the reparations for WW 1, it was not something imposed on Germany by others (the figure you quote in compensation is exaggerated by about 10 billion) it is up to the German government to decide when and if they have paid enough. Overall though (Jewish compensation aside) Germany has got off very lightly for the devastation and chaos inflicted on the continent in WW2. The US and Western European countries decided after the war that it was better to rebuild Germany as an ally rather than impose crippling reparations on her as had been the case after WW1.

It depends on whether you consider Jews to be a race or a religion, I consider them to be a race as do the Jews. Let me give you a couple of examples, in the Jewish book entitled Who’s who in world Jewry they list an Atheist Jew names Lev Bronstein, better known as Leon Trotsky. Another example, all Jews are entitled to Israeli citizenship, this includes Atheist racial Jews. And to say Germany got off lightly is something I find very offensive although you’re entitled to your opinion. Millions of Germans were uprooted from their homes in the East by the Communists because they simply were German, over a million women and girls were raped by the red Army when they entered Berlin, and who do you think orchestrated that? A Communist Jew named Ehrenburg. Don’t take my word for it, look it up and you’ll see for yourself. I can go on and on and on and I bet you you read any of these things in a standard textbook. I did my research, I’m not an expert but I compared both sides and I can see that the atrocities that the Nazis committed are dwarfed by the atrocities committed by the reds.

@George you are cherry picking facts without contextualising them, I know about the displacement of German populations, the rapes, roundups of young men, mistreatment of POWs. Not justifying these terrible deeds you purposely fail to mention the murderous policy of racial extermination inflicted on the east by the Nazis beginning with the murder of the Polish intelligentsia in 1939 and the killings implemented in Russia, murderous anti partisan operations, roundup and murder of Jews, Bolsheviks, the mass starvation of Red Army (Over 2 million) POWs and civilians caused by deliberate German policies with a civilian death toll from all causes reaching up 18 million. The atrocities of the Nazi’s are not dwarfed by the Communists, in fact the Nazi atrocities dwarf all others believe me I know about the war on the Ostfront. George if you had done proper balanced research you would not be here making the spurious one sided claims that you have. Reading something off Google or Wikipedia is not research, neither are the unsupported articles on the neo nazi sites research, what you are doing is putting forward an argument by trying to selectively pick facts that suit your view, and ignore all the others. I do not read textbooks as you call them but I have done some research (works by properly qualified esteemed historians whose work has been subjected to peer review in renowned third level institutions) on the Ostfront and have studied German history from Frederick the Great up until the Cold War. Now do me a favour George and do not use any more spurious statements that are not soundly based on historical facts. If you really want to learn something open your mind and let go of your prejudices. You can admire any historical figure you like, but use the evidence to see them for what they really were, and make sure thats not some fantasy of an uneducated white supremacist, pillow case wearing, skinhead fool.

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@George I dont know what happened but this should have been part of the post ending……after WW1.
You should rephrase the question to, why did Germany go to war with everyone? Britain and France declared war because of German aggression, Appeasement, Austria, Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia. The invasion of Poland was not the cause of WW2, it was the final straw. Taking Britain and France out of the equation as they declared war, here is a list of countries attacked by Germany: Poland, Norway, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Yugoslavia, Greece, Russia, and then the declaration by Hitler of war against the USA in Dec 1941. As to the fate of Eastern Europe after the war it can be attributed to German aggression against Russia and war weariness after the defeat of the Nazi’s. I admire your honesty admitting your admiration for Hitler, I can see some merit in claiming that maybe there were some characteristics of the man that you admire, however as a package there is nothing admirable about a man that caused the deaths of millions, (note I am understating the case here) devastated a continent and left his country in ruins with a murderous legacy. I would see your admiration of him as based not on proper critical thinking about his character and regime, but more of a case of wilful blindness.

That is what they teach you in school or in university or on discovery channel but if you look on the flip side you’ll see that it’s could be disputed. Germany was given an unfair and humiliating defeat after WWI, losing much of their territory and under the terms of the Versailles Treaty Germany could not form an alliance with Austria, which the vast majority of Germans and Austrians wanted. The areas which Germany annexed such as the Sudetenland, the Rhineland and Alsace and Lorraine were Germany territory with German majorities living there , suffering persecution in the case of the Sudeten Germans at the hand of the Czechs. Same as Poland, Danzig and Prussia were essentially German and despite the German populations there demanding a referendum to rejoin the Reich it was refused and polish militias were carrying out attacks on German civilians hence the invasion. Hitler also gave numerous warnings and was left little alternative. Britain and France then declared war but I can assure you it wasn’t for Polish freedom, they 9as always0 have their own agenda. The Nazis did occupy the likes of Belgium, Norway and the Netherlands, but people done seem to ask why. They were strategic locations necessary to win the war. Also every allied nation invaded strategic countries, Britain invaded Iceland for example. Hitler had much intelligence to suggest that the USSR wanted to invade Europe so he carried out a pre-emptive strike, when his army arrived they found the incomplete mobilization of the biggest invasion force in human history (Hitler halted the Communist invasion) Before the USA entered the war they were certainly not taking a neutral stance, they were attacking German vessels both merchant and Kriegsmarine. When their ally Japan attacked Pearl Harbor through provocation then Germany declared war on the USA. Europe was devastated because of allied bombing raids and communist occupation, I sincerely believe Hitler was trying to avoid war and just achieve his aims laid out in Mein Kampf. The victor writes the history book and the more you research the more you find out that we’re being lied to

The Russians and the allies were certainly must more brutal during that war than the Germans, far worse. And although I do check out a few what you would call Neo Nazi websites / forums I always, as they suggest look into it further and do my own research and find that it’s always true. I even check Jewish sources. And believe me, I never check my facts on Wikipedia, I think they even still suggest the Nazis made soap from boiled fat from murdered Jews. This would be a laughable statement if it wasn’t such a vile accusation.

@George Do not attempt to lecture me, on WW2 history, your ignorance of historical facts is shocking, you use innuendo as if it is somehow acceptable in historical discourse, it is not, you are getting lost in your own sick fantasy world that has absolutely no basis in reality. You accused Reg of learning history from Spielberg, well your version is worse, its absolute and utter speculative fantasy. You cannot dispute facts without evidence your dispute of real history is rubbish, and face it George you are talking Pure regurgitated neo nazi s**te. You claimed to be educated George, however, I do not see any evidence of education in these posts. I see lots of evidence for regurgitated bigotry, denialism, racism, extremism, Nazism and sheer unadulterated ignorance. I reiterate you have not done any historic research whatsoever you show total ignorance to its meaning, you have read some nazi pseudo history which you regurgitate, so stop fooling yourself.
I think I have wasted enough time on this post. I can see that you are a deluded admirer of a sick murderous regime that inflicted death and destruction on the people of Europe in the name of racial hatred and bigotry with a lust for absolute power and control. You are a denier of undisputed historical facts and a hater of peoples you and your ilk would classify as Untermench. You are a foolish Neo Nazi. Nazism is a failed ideology that has been rightly rejected and that belongs on the rubbish heap with the rest of the sick ideologies and denialists The Flat Earth Society, 9/11 deniers, Young Earth Creationism and all the other extremists Communism, Zionism, Islamic extremism, Christian Fundamentalism, Anarchism, and all the rest of the lunatic fringe. Take a look in the mirror George are you a true Aryan superman, tall, blonde, blue eyed, handsome, racially pure? I think not, keep hiding behind Mr Rockwell, because I know you are too embarrassed by your own silly ideology to admit your real identity. By the way all my German friends and relations found your posts very amusing. Goodbye, George or whatever your name is. Do not waste your time replying, as I will not be reading this post, instead get yourself Hitler by Ian Kershaw ISBN-13: 978-0141035888 and read it you might learn something factual.

You have just resorted to scathing and abusive insults which I didn’t resort to. This goes to show a lot about your level of intelligence. That may be your opinion but it means very little to me as I’ve heard it all before. Everything I have said to you is serious fact that you are just denouncing as “fantasy”– it’s not, and if you had the guts to do any real research you’d know that it’s true and it’s backed up by many credible sources. And you say you showed your German pals my posts and they found it funny – it says a lot about what Germans have become, Angela Merkle has publicly denounced her nation and accepted German responsibility for everything on numerous occasions – decades of Communist oppression will do that to a people but not all Germans are so brainwashed to hate themselves and their grandparents / parents. And what have you argued with? Personal insults and zero facts or evidence, just a bunch of garbage that every 11 year old in school is told. Where’s your fact, where’s your evidence, what are your sources, one book!! That’s all you can provide, please don’t make me laugh! And you started to debate with me before you got over excited and started crying like a girl, in future if you can’t handle alternative points of view don’t enter debate.

It is about time that the Norwegian police apologised for their role in the deportation of so many innocent people. It is very obvious that their is one enthusiastic supporter of the murderous policies of the nazis. Despite his attemts to shut me up, his efforts will fail just as the nazis failed.

Pretty ironic to decry anti-Semitism in one breath, while engaging in Islamophobia in the next. But you probably can’t even see that, can you.

It’s a good thing that Norway has acknowledged the misdeeds of the past, may it never be repeated.

One thing that always strikes me as a sad irony in the current situation with Palestine is that Israel’s impunity is undermining laws inspired by the Shoah, aimed at preventing such a thing from happening again.

This prevents a robust system of international law and enforcement with regard to war crimes from coming in to existence, and denies civilian populations of nations like Syria and the Congo the protections they would otherwise be due, condemning them to a similar fate to Europe’s Jews.

It’s hardly ‘Islamophobic’ to report facts. The sexual crime rate inflicted by ‘oppressed’ Muslim minorities in Europe is absolutely chronic, and particularly bad in Scandinavia. Just google it and be enlightened; in 2010 even the Oslo police admitted that almost 100% of ‘stranger rape’ assaults were committed by Muslim migrants.
But PC fascists like you prefer to ignore this, of course……..

Thought not.

It’s hardly a thing that you’ve been cogging that nonsense from extreme right wing websites in Israel? Because the Norwegian police think otherwise:

Statistics regarding assault rapists:

The Oslo Police District has given a report of rapes in Oslo in 2010. The report shows that for all types of rape, except assault rape, European perpetrators are in the majority, and they are mostly Norwegian.

Assault rapes covers only five identified unique person. These have all a foreign origin. The number is however, so low that it does not provide a basis for drawing conclusions with regard to country of origin. Two of them were very young (under 18) and two had severe psychiatric diagnoses and cannot be regarded as representative of their ethnic culture. It is highlighted in the report that generalizations like “Oslo’s rapists are foreigners”, which have been seen in media, are wrong. The report gives no statistics regarding religion of rapists.”

Yours Sincerely,

Grethe Kleivan
Deputy Director General

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/12/gil-ronens-fabricated-statistics-about-oslo-rapists-being-all-muslim/

Btw, don’t think I’ve ever been called a fascist before, well done to you for popping my cherry.

Hi Sean, I’d say there aren’t many Sean Mcguires in Israel. How did a jewish lad like yourself get such an Irish name? Can you point to an Israeli version of thejounal so I can spread propaganda with a little bit of an Anti-Gentilism thrown in. Cheers in advance.

This is what happens when you outsource your propaganda effort to the world at large, you never know what kind of nutjobs will jump on the bandwagon.

Islamopobia, just like anti-Semitism, is vile. You remind me of some kook saying the Jews control the money supply.