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New insolvency regime may not help troubled mortgage holders – Troika

The Troika has raised concerns about the effectiveness of the new personal insolvency law that is aimed at helping the country’s many distressed mortgage holders.

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THE TROIKA HAS raised concerns that the new personal insolvency legislation may not be sufficient to address the problems of the average Irish mortgage holder in distress.

The long-awaited changes to the personal insolvency regime are expected to come into operation from the beginning of next month and have been billed as fundamentally reforming how personal debts are handled in Ireland.

Among the key changes are that it reduces the period of bankruptcy from 12 to three years and allows for a person with debts of between €20,000 and €3 million to a enter a personal insolvency arrangement if they become insolvent.

However a leaked European Commission document obtained by TheJournal.ie raises concerns about how this will help average mortgage holders who are struggling with debt.

The document says that the €3 million cap may be “unduly high” and could encourage banks, lawyers and insolvency practitioners to focus on “big-ticket cases” rather than deal with “smaller but much more numerous cases of average debtors, who are likely to be facing greater distress”.

Jeopardised

The document notes that the average mortgage debt in Ireland is around €300,000 currently.

The Troika raises fears that the new insolvency service, due to be established within the first quarter of this year, could be overloaded with big cases at the expense of smaller but more numerous cases, many involving struggling homeowners.

The document warns: ”The efficiency of the system could also be jeopardised if the Insolvency service is overloaded with large complex cases, which could involve a multitude of interconnected debts concerning not only a debtor’s principal private residence, but also those associated with investment properties or sole-trader businesses.”

The new personal insolvency regime has been criticised in some quarters because any debt resolution process requires the agreement of the majority of a person’s creditors, meaning the bank retains an effective veto over whether to relieve someone from their mortgage debt.

Despite the concerns raised, the Troika does acknowledge that the new regime “should help facilitate a step-change in the resolution of unsustainable debts”.

- additional reporting from Gavan Reilly

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Comments (35 Comments)

  • The insolvency deal is a good for one group only, the banks. Get rid of the veto and get people in and out as soon as possible. The Irish taxpayer has already given the banks money to deal with this, but predictably they squandered it on their own pensions and balance sheets.

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  • So once again FG and their Labour lackies are more interested in looking after their friends the Big Gangsters instead of concentrating on the stressed mortgage Joe Soap.Even that capitalist Troika body mentions it.Is there not a clear message here????

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  • The banks have been abundantly clear they will operate to the limit of the law not worth the paper it’s written on

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  • Nothing new here. Banks have said they don’t care, they will chase you for 5 years after 3 year bankruptcy period ends.

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    • Can they do that? I thought that once the 3 years are over, your debts are no longer?

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    • Ben Gunn 11/01/13 #

      No debt existing prior to bankruptcy can be pursued after the bankrupted person has been discharged.

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    • Well said Thomas.
      Add that to the 4-5 years that most people in this situation have been suffering for, and you have 12 years maybe more.

      These corrupt/criminal banks are only using people to housesit for them, until they can sell off their home to one of their cronies for a song, whilst all the while milking them for part payments that don’t help the homeowner in the slightest.
      This is Criminal.
      Financial Genocide!

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  • Should have looked to UK debt resolution model….it’s straight forward non punitive and gives smaller debtors as well as larger ones room to breath again and in most cases to start over again without hamstringing the overall economy….and for the nay Sayers red thumbing with the why should I have to pay for someone elses problems argument risk is spread across the system….people with premium credit ratings now may not have that rating in the future due to changes beyond their control so we should help people deserving of help to overcome financial problems by having an intelligent insolvency system

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  • Just proves again that the Troika were stupid to expect this Government to do anything but look after big business

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  • I can’t believe they don’t just write down boom time mortgages and the government regulate the mortgage market more responsibly so it doesn’t rise to the levels it once did. It really does seem that the are merely hoping for the best.

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  • yes i voted fg, prayed for change, but nothing same crap only they are showing they only care for rich and not the poor of this land, bankers still getting bonus, bus eireann big lad got 50 bonus for showing a loss,, but he met his criteria,,, its all a joke on the tax payer, anyone who has money does not bank in this country ie, bono,, why pay taxes but then claim to be Irish,, the Irish are the ones left here suffering tax up on tax they cant afford, but then we cant afford enda and his yes men,, ie labor,, sad state of affairs they are running this country into

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  • Sure of course the system will have been deliberately designed by Noonan and his cronies to be of more benefit to criminal bankers and their cronies that to the ordinary needy average mortgage holder….did anyone expect anything else?

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  • I’m in negative equity. I’m on interest only on my mortgage. My partner has been out of work for 14 months, she has done a pointless computer course, where she actually taught other people on the course. When she applied for a course she wanted to do she was questioned wether she actually wanted to do the course (which of course she did as she has a pain in her hole of being unemployed and wants to get on with her life) but most of all it’s something she’s actually interested in

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  • I’m shocked :P

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  • Write down all personal mortgage debt for primary residences?

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  • Would be interesting to see how people not in negative equity with there houses but unable to sell due to lack of lending feel on this? And please remember there are borrowers out there who may not have a large mortgage
    outstanding and fallen on hard times ,I for one do not buy into the notion of blaming it on the previous goverment
    alone when there were those in oppisition pretend they could’nt see the wood from the trees,

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  • Yes let’s just write down everyone’s debt and force the taxpayer to pay for it through another bail-out (which won’t be forthcoming). The ignorance of the posts on this thread. If you bought at the top of the market, it was your decision. Accept your personal responsibility and pay your debts. If you genuinely cannot pay then you need to cut a deal with whomever you owe the money. I doubt a free lunch will form part of the deal.

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    • Get real. People could pay their debts if FF/GREEN/ & FG/LAB hadn’t diverted/continued to divert all if their earnings to pay bond holders and bankers who in case you haven’t noticed accept no responsibility for their actions. There again, they can’t accept anything right now because their grasping hands are full of our cash.

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    • The debt to bond holders arose because a bunch of FF crony developers could not pay their debts. This has nothing to do with Joe Plod paying his debts. The idea that banks can simply tear up debts without consequences is pure fantasy. Why should the taxpayer who borrowed prudently so that he can pay his debts subsidise the foolish who didn’t or who want to use the current crisis to dodge their own responsibilities. Those who can’t pay need to strike a deal with their creditors. Those who won’t pay are deadbeats looking for a freebie on the back of the taxpayer.

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    • Eric..be careful throwing around such terms as dead beat to describe the tens of thousands of our fellow citizens who did nothing worse that take a peace of the pie when it was full and offered to all of us by buying into our new found prosperity and buying a home or enjoying the benefits of long hours and hard work…economics is an inexact science and the road of finance is full of curves and unexpected bumps…..heaven forbid that you ever find yourself in the vulnerable and precarious position of being insecure in either income or accommodation….nobody on this thread is suggestion debt forgiveness at your or the taxpayers expense rather the argument is being made for a more intelligent and better thought out way of helping many of our fellow citizens, family members or friends who thru no fault of their own face financial ruin and many years out in the economic wilderness unless we all pull together as a country and help each other……a former deadbeat who is well on the road to recovery…..

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    • Some of us bought out of neccessity not greed. I have special needs child fell down stairs of previous on number of occasions. Could have killed him. Moved away from dublin . Family . Friends. Support network. To country to house same sq ft as previous . You tell me. House now worthless im nearly. Fifty. Never pay it back. So dont be a sheep and jump on that divide and conquer shit. You dont know why all are in this situation. I wasnt stuffing coke up my nose for ten years. And then when the party is over buy a cheap house. Get a grip….

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  • The big cats in the bank might be one thing but guarantee none of u would be able to do the job for one day that the people on the ground do they are the ones supporting these people in difficulty trying their very best to get resolutions for them get a break for them restructure them that’s not easy day in day out. This won’t make any difference to anything be realistic but don’t slag off the people who try their best for people in trouble

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