Andrew, your last sentance is spot on, well put!

Excellent point!

Andrew we already know how Enda will do against Merkel & Co. It’s called the fiscal compact.

Exactly Andrew! also if he is using the excuse of Vincent’s former comments (which very clearly were not about suicide) he should be ashamed of himself. You can be sure that Enda understood exactly what the intention of the comments were.

And IF he didn’t understand then there is absolutely no hope for us. And as everyone else said:spot on Andrew.

kenny is hiding from credible journalist who will tackle him on his manifesto that disappeared after election

My family have experienced suicide and I take no offence over what VB said, it was just an old saying with no malice intended. I take more offence over the fact that Endas policies and failure to stand up for his people have directly or indirectly led to many suicides in Ireland.

These bas**rds have to be kicked out before its too late for the next generation, our children will never forgive our stupidity and ignorance.

Love it Paula!

Worse Paula. Had bush allowed americans to be blackmailed so a foreign power could have its dictat inserted into the american constitution, you’d be hearing the words ‘grassy knoll’ in the news a lot.

Ditto, theres a day that’ll always be there for me on walking into a room and having to deal with it in reality.
He’s a bloody coward.
He needs to be able to defend his position or move from it.
D

Who is Gay Mitchell?

Why should he? He knows only too well that as a nation we are thick and will let him away with it. If he knows he doesn’t have to talk to Merkel (his best friend of many years in the european peoples party) in the interests of his people, why on earth do you think would he bothered to do a vincent brown or matt cooper interview?

People better start bloody waking up in this country before its too late. I have children, those of you who are ignorant destroy their future also

Thats the point of the whole thing, just as if you are in management at any level your personnel feelings can’t come into it. you represent a company.A company cant have bad mood days ect, In this case Ireland is the company, kenny God help us is it’s boss

VB could easily have allowed Matt Cooper chair the debate.. Matt is a regular on that show anyway.
I would love Journal.ie to put out a poll on which of the following folks should chair the debate… I am deliberately leaving RTE presenters off the list for obvious reasons…

1) Vincent Browne
2) Ursula Hannigan
3) Matt Cooper

Hear hear on the poll. But seeing as though Vin B is out of the equation due to indas cowardice, it may be a bit pointless to include him unfortunately.

Not sure about Hysterical Ursula, she reminds me of an annoying Aunt, Hmmm, Matt Cooper? not sure either, Kinda sad that after all these years TV3 have such a poor selection of heavy weight candidates generally, I gave up watching their Plastic news coverage, from Disinterested Cantwell to the Hillariously robotic Brian O Donavan, its appalling stuff to watch.

hehe

Hey Craig! Don’t you have to firstly, be a man before its possible to man up?????

It was Paul Krugman, the Nobel Prize economist and Nouriel Roubini the lone voice who predicted this, quiet accurately over the last 5 years, that have referred to it as an “economic suicide pact”.

Is this true??? Why did this not come to light during the elections last year?

I read this story in America last year actually. There was a big write up about Enda Kenny calling some leader a ‘Ni**er” That’s absolutely incredible!!!!!!!!!!!

Why doesn’t the media of Ireland take him to task over that? I wonder would it be different if it was the likes of Gerry Adams….

Oh wait I just remembered, Enda’s friends include Dennis O’Brien (who he travels to NY with on a private jet for dinner) so I guess that explains that.

This guy and the muppets with him have to be kicked out of government before its too late, seriously

Enda told the joke in front of Irish journalists – they or most of them remained quiet.

http://bit.ly/Racist_Enda

Paula
I would like to hear more about this and Kenny’s comments . Also about his trips to New York would be good to hear in light of the Moriarty tribunal.

Paula
I would like to hear more about this and Kenny’s comments . Also about his trips to New York would be good to hear in light of the Moriarty tribunal

I’m surprised someone hasn’t contacted one of the major news networks about this story. I imagine the likes of FOX for example would love this story, they welcome tips for stories etc. Barack might not be so welcoming to the clown next St Patricks Day.

He is not working with him, he is answering to the people on a important matter. If he is that childish he shouldn’t be in charge of the country.

Yet Adams and Sinn fein are expected to (and do) work with the representataives of those who were specifically trying to kill them a decade ago. Likewise for the unionist politicians.
Secondly, the “bottle of whiskey and revolver” line is no more than an old saying used by VB which I reckon had no malice in it.
Thirdly, VB later made an public apology to Kenny.

Kenny’s a coward, he has also refused (for 18 months now) to come on Matt Coppers radio show. A show with the largest under 45′s listenership in the country. Says it all really….

Again Journal this is not my account and not my cxomment . It is a false Twitter account set up using my name . Please Journal block it .

Enda Kenny is a coward ., He has shown this continuously . His refusal to go on the show with G Adams is pure undiluted cowardice. The man is a joke

So he will only be interviewed by people he can work with? Maybe he should go to America where you can get a news network dedicated to your party’s views.

Lets get this straight, Vincent Brown never told Enda Kenny to commit suicide! Never ever!

Thank you Journal .
Can you let me know if this problem is finally sorted . Please.

Niall i feel adams would show up his weakness as a debater hence would put this referendum in the hole ,so he took the only option he could take run.

Barry
You can get a news net work dedicated to FG/Lab party views here too. Its called RTE .

The point is that a moderator should never have a personal connection to one of the speakers (positive or negative). You cant say it will be impartial with that shit between the two no matter how professional they behave. Logic!

Looks like he will do it with another moderator, if thats the case, those who call him a coward should eat their words.

So much conjecture here :(

I’m fed up with everything to do with this referendum. I was ready to vote no as a statement over bailing out the bankers at the cost of the people but since receiving the no vote leaflet which opened with an attack on eastern European immigrants, they can all frankly fxck off now. I will be withholding my vote in protest.

If he is such a coward with Vincent Brown and and Matt Cooper, is it any wonder that he is terrified to stand up for his people in Europe with Merkel etc,

When will Irish people wake up to the fact that they have possibly the worst leader in the world who could not care less for them?

When will Irish people realize that this man cares only about his life long political friends in the European Peoples Party and his pensions.

When will the country wake up? We are the laughing stock of the world, seriously! Have any of you even seen how the foreign media coverage of us?

I voted yes!!! You a problem with that Niall?? Browne’s comments were disgraceful prior to election so Kenny is spot on to treat him with contempt.

Well said Paul. Fact is we need political leaders that aren’t liked in Brussels or Frankfurt. They should be stirring it and kicking furniture around the place at every summit.
Kenny et al are euro-gimps and if Merkel & Draghi aren’t insulting them in public then they aren’t doing their jobs.

Just as any good Dictator would do Enda.

Niall, you should watch his interview with Ian Bailey , it just might change your mind about Brown.

@ Anne De Croix, I received the same leaflet through my door, it’s from the EFD Euro parliament group which has NO Irish members. There is a picture of Nigel Farage on the front who is a UKIP MEP.
This leaflet has nothing to do with the Irish anti treaty parties.

Caroline, Anne De Croix is a member of FFg/Labour … when all else fails, tell porkies about the opposition, hopefully some of the mud will stick, even if its not true… Don’t worry Ann, we hear your type of BS in here all the time.. Enda is still a chicken sh*t.

OMG ‘Paula’ – are you saying that people would create fake social media profiles just so they can spam boards and things with the same message over and over again? What sort of a person would do such a thing?

Thanks Cal, these snakes still need to be answered!

Guess whos afraid of big bad Vincenzo Browne? , in fact Kennys underpants are the same colour as Mad dogs surname

Vincent Browne said a stupid, offensive and deeply insensitive thing. Suicide in Ireland is a very raw topic and as taoiseach, I think Enda was right to take a stand against it.

He may be controversial, but that doesn’t mean Vincent Browne is any good. Let’s face it: He’s a very poor quality, biased journalist and a terrible presenter.

As long as the taoiseach makes himself available to a broad range of decent, impartial journalists, then I think he has the right to exclude any individual he feels like.

There are dozens of Journalists who don’t get anywhere near the taoiseach simply because their outlet is too small, their reach is too specific, they are biased or unprofessional or irrelevant, I don’t see why it’s any different excluding Vincent Browne.

Alistair, its a fact that suicide rates have tripled in the last 5 years…and based on the data, its primarily being driven by economic hardship and sense of hopelessness. I know of 2 people that committed suicide, they saw no way out. VBs comments, as everyone with a brain knows, was not meant to be taken literally, it was a Political expression… similar to the Lethal Injection Kenny himself made yesterday. But don’t let the truth get in the way of your excuses and hiding.. Kenny is a chiken Sh*t and has shown the Irish people what a lie this treaty is.

Anne De Croix..that leaflet was Farage, UK Independence party and nothing to do with the Irish No campaign, i agree it is off putting but hopefully there will be a proper leaflet from the Irish No campaign soon, as far as i know funds are not good. Please dont let that leaflet put you off.

Why is there even a question as to what Browne meant? It is obvious that he was referring to offering his resignation, unless Kenny actually carrys a sword… Does anyone honestly think that Browne was saying he should kill himself? Its ridiculous. The.majority of us have lost someone to suicide but there is no way I would take offence to a phrase that is around since Roman times. Kenny is being petulant if he is using that as an excuse.

Donal Mc Carthy
Yes they do create false twitter accounts (one falsely used my name only today) and they used that account to spam this site with awful comments as if I had typed them . But it is blocked now and good riddance ,too. Only thing is tho If they can do it once they can do it again….. There are some sly foxes out there capable of many underhand tactics to propagate their views .However most people see through the tricks.

There is no real question Niamh. Its manufactured, like indas original outrage at the comment, to provide cover to the taoiseachs inability to debate or excuse the inexcusable.

The fine gael underlings are under direction to push the narrative on public forums that Browne made a disgusting suicide reference to kenny. He did not. We all know he did not. These people are disgracefully using the subject of suicide to push a fake alternative talking point to cover their party leaders cowardice. Lowlife politics 101. They’re fooling nobody and are having their arses handed to them in full public view.

Sure you voted for him to your leader

Too Trueleft – you are a commentor who appears to have created an anonymous social media profile solely for the purposes of making anti-Government comments on The Journal.

You guys really have no sense of irony whatsoever.

I’m not anti-government Donal by any stretch of the imagination, I’m anti-lies, anti-blackmail, and anti-cowardice. If this goverment were fighting our corner as mandated, instead of obediently following dictats from Germany, I would not be so vocal.

Oh and you’re either completely wrong or purposely misrepresenting me by saying I post ‘solely’ anti-goverment posts, I’ve posted in any number of other pages on this site that has nothing to do with the government.

Anything else?

Donal, ditto on” Too Trues” comment

Do you want me to post all the links where i praised new bills introduced by Shatter, Reilley etc… I can do it, but i have the feeling that if i do post them, you will still label me as a ‘Shinner’

Here, Cal, did you notice Donals comment about me just so happened to be posted right after I mentioned fine gael shills carpetbombing social media sites to distract from kennys cowardice?

Quick, look over there….LOL!

I voted no, but can understand why Enda Kenny’s supporters would prefer not to see him make a fool of himself.

enda kenny has not got the balls to face Vincent Brown , He could not tell the truth if his life depended on it
and Vincent Brown would waste no time in proving that , kenny and co lied their way through an election and we are now paying the price . A SIMPLE QUESTION : – If we do vote to go in to this thing and every thing goes pear shaped can we opt out at a later date . I do not thing so . if other countries are delaying the vote until they know more about what is going on in Greece and other countries then it only makes sense for us to delay

I originally defended Enda Kenny in this thread and his right to snub Vincent Brown. I still stand by that.

However, now Enda has said that he won’t take part in a debate chaired by Ursula Hannigan either. I can’t back him on that one. Ursula is a decent, fair journalist with integrity – there is no reasonable justification for saying no. He looks weak.

Well said Stefan. I too am voting no.I hope the people of Ireland take off the sheep clothing and vote NOOOOOOOOO

Perhaps in the world when you take everything into account.

He is less drunk than Cowen though…

Only if you are dressed in drag as his long life European Peoples Party friend Angela Merkel

Hear Hear.

Sorry Joe but he was never in touch with the people who elected. The man is all about looking after himself and his cronies.

I’m still honoured to be an Irishman… no political party will ever take that from me!!

It is still an honour.

the Kenny lad is a scared little girl boo hoo

How can this person fight for anything or anybody? This person has the personality of a dead dog…

bee baw, bee baw, bee baw, bee baw

He didn’t keith, but qwe all know that. Vincent Browne used the well known ‘whiskey and revolver’ metaphor.

Is enda really that pathetic that junior members of his party like yourself have to misrepresent the words of a man who has already apologised on national TV for using the metaphor?

Hes a gobshi*e, he can’t make a statement about anything unless it was wrote by his assistants and writers. It says a lot about us as a nation that this bufoon is the most popular leader ever.

Shame on you Ireland, explain it to your grandchildren when they ask why were we so dumb.

Sheep!

Kenny couldn’t care less about that comment. What he is afraid of is facing browne in a public debate on national tv which hundreds of thousands will be watching. Kenny is a loser, deep down he knows that, and it’s what he gets up every morning to fight against. god help him. he prob has more demons than we know about *shudder

Oh let’s not get all “outrageous comment and I’m so offended, it’s an absolute disgrace to be making comments like this.”

Silly comment the likes of which we all would make from time to time. Hands up who has never cracked a racist joke in their life?

I don’t know if its a racism issue Sean. Cracking a joke like that in a room full of people with members of the press present, I think its more of a competency issue.

He sighs at the people who refuse to answer a straighforward question that he’s asked them multiple times. Theres a youtube clip doing the rounds of one guest that he asks the same question to ten timmes and won’t give a straight answer to. I’d be sighing as well.

No place for a coward

VB is a well known anti Shinner. So what is Kenney scarded of? Is he realy that weak that he won’t deal with anyone who won’t toe the party line, Even if they have a well known antitipitiy to his oponent? No wonder he didn’t have the balls to ask for a write down of debt like he promised.

Donal : “Vincent is very entertaining and very clever but he is also a boor and a bully”. You contradicted yourself in the one sentence … Either he is entertaining or he is a bore… which is it??

Cal: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/boor

Donal, just clicked on the link you sent and it says … and i quote:

1. A person with rude, clumsy manners and little refinement.
2. A peasant.

So Enda should not lower himself to talk to ‘Peasants’… that sums it up really…..
FFg/Labour are so far up their own backsides, they have now resorted to calling non-party supporters ‘Peasants’… Have you read animal farm perchance … 2 legs good, 4 legs bad????

Cal, the trick with dictionaries is that, when a list of alternatives is given, as in the text you posted, is that not all the meanings necessarily apply.

Vincent Browne is many things, but a peasant he is clearly not.

“The refusal by the Taoiseach to appear with Browne could be down to something simpler than we think. And it’s something Enda has not been called to account for, as far as I know.
The familiy of Patrice Lumumba, the assassinated first democratically elected Prime Minister of Congo, have demanded an apology from the Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny, who called the revered African liberation hero a ‘n*****’ in a racist joke almost 10 years ago. At that time members of Lumumba’s family – including one of his six sons and seven of his grandchildren – were living in Tallaght in west Dublin, after fleeing political persecution in the former Zaire.

Over to you Enda. Do you still think that the first ever democratically elected President of the Congo is just “” some “n*****” who died ‘dans la guerre”” ??” (Andrew Brennan)

I guess Enda knows about insulting people, not just one person but indeed an entire race of people. Whats your answer to that FG SHEEP? Pathetic

On RTE the chair of the debate would ask Enda what was his favourite colour and what did he do on his holidays. Browne, on TV3, would ask why is it that Irish citizens have to suffer impoverishment over a crisis they had no hand or part in creating!

Spot on. That’s exactly what Browne would do.
I rest my case.

Tom, you are right about the comment but Vincent Browne has offered to step down and allow some one else to host the show. I can’t think of one show Enda has been on to explain why we should vote YES. That’s very concerning.

If you watch Vincent’ show on the debate – http://www.tv3.ie/3player/show/41/48150/1/Tonight-with-Vincent-Browne, it’s scary that both sides didn’t have answers to a lot of important questions, avoid questions, gave answers that didn’t answer the questions. I’m wondering if I can have another choice instead of YES or NO!

“The refusal by the Taoiseach to appear with Browne could be down to something simpler than we think. And it’s something Enda has not been called to account for, as far as I know.

The familiy of Patrice Lumumba, the assassinated first democratically elected Prime Minister of Congo, have demanded an apology from the Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny, who called the revered African liberation hero a ‘n*****’ in a racist joke almost 10 years ago. At that time members of Lumumba’s family – including one of his six sons and seven of his grandchildren – were living in Tallaght in west Dublin, after fleeing political persecution in the former Zaire.

Over to you Enda. Do you still think that the first ever democratically elected President of the Congo is just “” some “n*****” who died ‘dans la guerre”” ??” (Andrew Brennan)

My family have been affected by suicide also, I do not take offence by anything VB said, it is just an old saying. I take more offence with the fact that FGs policies and refusal to stand up for their suffering people are the indirect (some would say direct) cause of many suicides in Ireland. I guess by the same ‘princi“The refusal by the Taoiseach to appear with Browne could be down to something simpler than we think. And it’s something Enda has not been called to account for, as far as I know.

The familiy of Patrice Lumumba, the assassinated first democratically elected Prime Minister of Congo, have demanded an apology from the Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny, who called the revered African liberation hero a ‘n*****’ in a racist joke almost 10 years ago. At that time members of Lumumba’s family – including one of his six sons and seven of his grandchildren – were living in Tallaght in west Dublin, after fleeing political persecution in the former Zaire.

Over to you Enda. Do you still think that the first ever democratically elected President of the Congo is just “” some “n*****” who died ‘dans la guerre”” ??” (Andrew Brennan)

On ‘principle’ I guess Enda shouldn’t be the a head of state allowed to greet Barack Obama or sit with him on St Patrick’s Day in the white house. I wonder did he share his ‘Nig*er*’ joke with Barack and his wife?

My family have also experienced suicide and I take no offence over what VB said, it was just an old saying with no malice intended. I take more offence over the fact that Endas policies and failure to stand up for his people have directly or indirectly led to many suicides in Ireland.

sorry about that….pc messed up

Christine can you delete that long messed up comment of mine above please x

Tom, I have personally been affected by suicide, but have the common sense to realise that Vincent Browne was using a well known metaphor in relation to the political situation enda kenny was in at the time, nothing more.

For the leader of a country to cower behind such a serious and devastating issue rather than face some tough questions is cretinous and an insult to people who have had their lives blighted by the specter of suicide. He is not fit to run a bath, never mind a nation in crisis.

Do you disagree with all metaphors then? “I’ll kill you” the well known threat to murder someone after a friend does something to you? Or for people to go “down with the ship” obviously telling people to allow themselves to die. The metaphor Vincent Browne was well known and was never meant as “Enda go commit suicide” Vincent already apologised for this off the cuff remark yet FGers, rather pathetically use this to excuse the cowardice of their leader.

What about Matt Coopers program? Coopers a year and a half trying to get him on for an interview. He’s a coward.

Has the ‘taoiseach of the country’ and leader of the ‘yes’ campaign better things to do then explain why he’s advocating a ‘yes’ vote to his fellow countrymen and women? He should be front and center hammering this thing through if he really believes its a good thing.

So you support Enda abdicating his responsibility and not debating the issue with the leader of the No camp!!!!! It will 100% hand victory to the No’s in the upcoming refernda, but at least Enda will have stood by his principles… Those principle included negotitating the reduction in our debt prior to the last election, but since coming to power, our sovereign debt has increased by 64 billion euro… What did Merkel do that Enda couldn’t debate the banking debt with her? Did she make a whiskey gun remark too? Damn, the Irish people are so proud of our Taoiseach standing up for these personal principles, while we rack up billions in private banking debt… Way to go Enda …

Fearghal

You have much more gumption than Enda for admitting you voted yes, thats for sure!

I should add Cooper would be my preference.

So Enda is for free and fair speech – unless he has to speak. And Browne is against free and speech because he wants Enda to speak!

Thanks for clearing that up.

Enda has no problem saddling up to Miceal Martin…. But then again, FF only detroyed the lives of 100,000′s of people…. Enda has no shame at all.

Micheal. I’m online from your Garden shed, which I use as my office.

The dail doesn’t do debate Paddy. All that happens in that chamber if questions and answers with most of the answers scripted by civil servants.

Yes, you can count on the politicians in Brussels to look after their interests and the interests of their people very reliably.

No offense to Brussels. They have bigger things to worry about than Ireland. You’re being extremely naive putting your faith in them, just because of the way things work in the real world.

Bullcrap. If I ask you ‘is it time to fall on your sword’ am I asking you is it time for you to sacrifice your political career for the greater good of the party, or am i telling you to stab yourself to death?

Its fooling nobody, just like your comment.

Philips comment saves me another 50 comments ridiculing our ‘leader’ FG supporters were recently ordered to swarm social media sites…Let him on, more please Philip :)

Has anyone ever told you to go take a running jump??

what if the said stop being so sensitive about yourself like a lil girl boh00..bigger issues at stake here miss…

Colm, I kind of agree with you to a point but it is a metaphor(as disgusting as it is) for politicians to resign. also, Vinny apologised unreservedly to Enda, his family and those offended (everyone). Enda needs to build a bridge and a pair of balls while he is at it!