Diary full? Think he has used that before during the general election.

Matt has lodged multiple requests, enda is being kept off the airwaves. This is what Ireland voted in.

Spot on Scarr, Matt Cooper said on his show yesterday that they have been trying to get Kenny on for 18 months now. His program has the highest listenership of under 45′s in the country and Kenny refuses to come on!
Some f*cking “leader’ we have..

wish I could give this comment several thumbs up. matt cooper would be even better than VB!

we will never see kenny as strong and capable, now or ever. he has shown his spineless, cowardly nature by not even being to at least asking for negotiation on the treaty. feckin eejit is what he is!

In fairness, VB once said something about Enda needing to be sent into a room with a bottle of whiskey and a gun. I don’t know whether he ever apologised for it, but I wouldn’t blame Enda for not entertaining him as a moderator – for one thing, he clearly wouldn’t be completely impartial (although it could be that he just hates both sides).

I agree with earlier commenter – ask Matt Cooper to do it.

Even if he never made that statement, Enda still wouldn’t engage in a debate on his program. He is afraid of him and you know it.

In fairness tho Vincent Brown has apologised several times for what was obviously a joke. Enda, on the other hand was happy to make Michael Noonan Minister for Finance, a man who while Minister for Health was willing to drag Bridget McCole through the Supreme courts while she was dying from his department’s ineptitude.

Enda is spineless. We all know that he would never have been able for a debate with Gerry Adams, even though we all know Adams would not have got a fair hearing from Vincent Browne, at least he was willing to go.

Pity we can’t send someone with the negotiation skills of Adams over to EU to get a fair deal for Ireland. #NotOurDebt

well said. ill do likewise.

I bet his wife and family thought ,that’s ok then.. It was only a metaphor, how amusing.

Well said and I fully agree . Kenny is acting like a petulant child :) In his case a good slap of reality could help but maybe he is beyond help .

David, I’m definitely NOT a Lucinda Creighton fan but I thought she handled herself fairly well on the VB show last night. She can take the verbal trashing that VB deals out I think because, just like Beverley “Class act” Flynn, she has a neck like a jockey’s proverbials.

I cannot stand the woman, she is so irritating, she was speaking over others. So annoying and i didn’t agree with anything she said. She is a puppet for the government.

Anyone want to feel sorry for me today – Calamity Creighton is my TD and I cringe everytime she opens her mouth. She sputters and splutters and is very good at making stupid faces. She is not paid to do well on the VB show (your opinion not mine) and isnt it a pity she doesnt do well representing the people she is supposed to.

She does pull some mad faces, she is like a Bull dog with a wasp in its mouth.

@reada
Suicide is no joke, I bet his wife and family weren’t laughing either.
Browne is a class journalist but really crossed a line with his comments.

Suicide certainly isn’t a joke Sean. And to see our Taoiseach use this issue to try to hide is particularly offensive. Enda Kenny continues to sink to lower levels, day after day.

Sean if Edna was sincere about taking umbridge to what VB said over a year ago, he should happily accept this opportunity to tell VB off on air before the debate starts. The man has no balls.

Sorry but as someone who has watched the Vincent Browne show it’s flupping painful. Personally I have no desire to see him on the show.

Gary Clowry et al FG supporters
Haha ! Seriously Enda Kenny is the biggest joke this country has ever seen . He is weak , heis disloyal and now finally we see his ultimate shame COWARDICE.

Susie believe whatever shíte you want but I personally find the VB show painful to watch most of the time. I think there should be a debate, just not on VB show and with whomever the government and opposition agree on.

Tut tut Gary
Vincent Brown is (only) a TV presenter but Enda Kenny is our An Taoiseach… No comparison except Enda has proved himself to be a COWARD. He has bottled it and run away . I am ashamed (yet again) of him. There is no excuse .

Gary I agree that were Enda to be on the proper Vincent Browne show it wouldn’t be worthwhile in terms of this campaign as it would (as has happened before) be like leading a lamb to slaughter. However, given that this would be a debate between the Taoiseach and a strong opposition leader which would merely be moderated by Browne I think it is a missed opportunity.

I thought Browne did well at the last debate, and while he asked a few questions the panel did over 95% of the talking. Enda may not be the leader of the Yes campaign but I think he does have some responsibility to take the reins given what’s at stake. I can see you’re a strong Yes advocate, but you can’t deny that his defense in this regard is a little weak! As others have suggested perhaps he would agree to debate Adams with a different moderator?

Browne isn’t an impartial moderator as anybody who saw him on the Presidential debate would attest. Once he has an agenda he make it clear to the detriment of his guests. And given that he has clearly shown an agenda on this debate he isn’t the right person for it.

The only issue would be whether he could forget his distaste of Adams for long enough to agree with him.

Niall there should be debates, no doubt about that. But we should be looking for the best people to appear in them. We should be looking for the facts. Christ there is some outrageous nonsense being said about this treaty on a daily basis.

Gary
So now you are saying that kenny is not the best ….I agree wholeheartedly . He is utterly useless !

And there lies the truth, and we knew this before the election

Now you said it Tomas ,very worrying !

It’s too late Robert! Everyone has him well figured out at this stage! The mans a complete fool! He’s also a barefaced liar! What happened to that famous five point plan? What happened to the hundred thousand jobs? What happened to not paying bond holders? The man should be in prison for treason! In most other countries he would have been removed from office and hauled off to jail a long time ago!

To be fair to Kenny. How can he defend the indefensible?

Would you want to stand in the same room with someone who suggested you should go into a dark room with a gun and a bottle of whiskey ?

If he was using it as a metaphor, which he clearly was, then yes. Just like if he advised me to ‘fall on my sword’, ‘take one for the team’, ‘walk the plank’ etc. then I don’t see any reason to not take the remark at face value.

Then again I’m not enough of a lowlife to twist the remark and hide behind the spectre of suicide rather than answer some tough questions.

Ireland needs a leader with a bit more about him if he/she is going to drag Ireland through this crisis.
Patently, Kenny does not have the mettle to fight Irelands corner if he’s still crying in his milk over Browne’s insensitive remark.

Sean De Burca

Yes I would just to piss them off.

Vincenzo vs Enda vs Gerry, brown pants time for Enda, hasent got the bottle to take on Mad Dog Browne in fact Pampers Nappies said they would even sponsorEnda for the debate

I dont think people really care,….we are sick of the lies..

Enda is becoming more & more like an Irish George W. Bush

FFg and Labour Members all over this country, must be soooo proud of their leader… NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT ….
He will use the Dail and parliamentary privelege to throw out total lies and innuendoes rather than answer a question straight.
FFg/Labour supporters, i hope you can see what is supposed to be negotiating the Bank debt on Irelands behalf. This is the leadership your leader gives… He would rather duck and dive, than fight a cause that is supposed to be good for the Irish people. The mask has come off. I hope you guys are proud of your leader today.

Well I am going to follow my leaders example….I do not do Austerity or Household Tax

He’s afraid of being found out for the spineless German he really is!!!

Heywood,

needed pampers myself after reading that one. Funny, and much more so because it is so true.

Weekend at Bernies?

@the burning bush,
Htf do you assume to know who I vote for.
I campaigned for Obama 2008 in Virginia.
I don’t think you’re capable of making an informed choice yourself if you are making assumptions like that.
Time to crawl back behind you bush

Hmmmm, is that Virginia in Cavan? Didn’t know Obama was running for the local council

That’s right burning bush, you go hide behind yourself!!? Right on Obama campaigner, goooooood one!

Sean De Burca nee Galway

Ummmmm……. it was a wild guess.

Eh, Enda IS the ass in there…….

Brilliant idea Censored.

@censored
What I missed about Ireland over the years of touring all over the world is people like you.
Always ready to know better or put someone down.

What I missed about Ireland over my years of touring all over the world is people like you.
Always ready to assume or put someone down.

Sorry just after reading the rest of the article, maybe not!

So Sinn Fein can do buisness with Ian Paisley and Peter Robinson, but Edna doesnt have it in his heart to forgive VB for a remark he made over a year ago!! Not to mention that Edna lied to 4 million people to get his hands on a big fat pay cheque and yet another pension to add to his list, and thats supposed to be alright with us. He can take a principled stance over this but cant do it for the people whose blood sweat and tears pay his his wages – lol the man is not only a fool but an unforgiving coward. If there was anyone in the Dail this week that felt aroused about anything its Edna remembering he has a card up his sleeve when it comes to VB to get him out of this debate with Gerry Adams.

How easy it is to stand and debate in the Dail when you have your party sitting around you to heckle your opponent. Me thinks that it is Edna who does not believe in his own campaign and knows he’s fighting a losing battle with the voting public.

You know this nonsense is starting to get to me. We are having austerity because we spend way more money than we take in. Growth would be great but how do you pay for this growth when you spend way more money than you take in already.

The Germans are postponing the vote in their parliament as they cannot get enough votes to back it. The Italian (unelected) PM was told by his main backers that they are against it.. The French and the Dutch are against it. Apart from Sarkozy and Merkel, who actually thinks that this treaty is a good idea.

Fagan’s, whether what you say if true or not it is mostly irrelevant. The targets set out in the Fiscal Compact already exist in other EU treaties, of course the enforcement is being changed so countries will actually stick to them. We are already spending far more than we take in now. So our overall position doesn’t change whether the treaty is scrapped or not. What will change is countries will be forced to be more financially prudent. Fiscal prudence, imagine… how could anyone want that.

Gary
We know all about austerity , it is inevitable,..until 2015.We know this.The thing is article 3 and not having it enshrined into our constitution forever and a day,if you vote yes. Vote NO Gary it is the only way out of this incredibly difficult mess ,Be BRAVE !

The treaty is unclear about how structural deficits are defined. Hard to take it seriously. No one is against fiscal discipline, but no one believes that this treaty will lead to that either. It needs to be scrapped and a coherent and well defined agreement put in place. It is also just a way for the EU to avoid the mess that is now the Eurozone. Even if this treaty is implemented, even if it is successful, it will be a decade before the results come to fruition.

I can’t see this treaty being implemented, whether it is voted for or against.

Fagan’s why do I suspect that if there was another treaty you’d campaign for a no vote to that too.

Gary, why do i suspect that if Enda told you Black was white, you would believe it?

I’m guessing it is because you are the type of person that draws faces on their knee.

Cal. Can you guys ever stick to the point without going after the person? I say (yet) again.. I am not, nor have I ever been, a member or long-term supporter of any political party or organisation.

Fagan’s. I’m the type of person who draws faces on someone else’s knee.

@ Fagan

Well to answer that question – Gary, Declan Cotter, David Higgins, Nucky and Paul Carr.

Susie. maybe you should explain to us about this article 3 and how it gets “enshrined into our constitution forever”?

Gary
The purpose of a referendum is to make legal changes to our constitution. There fore it follows any changes made to our constitution will be enshrined …. Simple really ! So I suggest that you read Article 3/1/e….AND Article 3/2 where the words ”binding force and permanent character ”…….. Have a read Gary !

What exactly is added to the constitution? And why can’t we just take it out again if we don’t like it?

Gazza,
you obviously werent watchin lucinda cretin the other nite.
her contention was that decisions once made are irreversible…
It is actually the best argument for not voting Yes

Joseph here’s what is inserted into the constitution…
“Article 29.4:
10° The State may ratify the Treaty on Stability, Coordination and Governance in the Economic and Monetary Union done at Brussels on the 2nd day of March 2012. No provision of this Constitution invalidates laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by the State that are necessitated by the obligations of the State under that Treaty or prevents laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by bodies competent under that Treaty from having the force of law in the State. ”

Not very exciting at all. Now back to you scaremongering.

Brilliant, Gary, I don’t speak ‘Political Bullshit’ very well, so can you explain it in English for us not so educated people… Because what i understood was that whether or not we vote Yes or No, we still control our own budgets, which is a total lie, because Lucinda Creighton said the other night that we would be fined for not complying to the treaty requirements.

Is it not amhain when counting objects? am only learning…

So who are you then ? ?
I’m on the no campaign by the way..

That’s me
I do travel a lot as most musicians do
So your name is…..?

Just as well Vincent stepped aside so. I’d like to see Claire Byrne take it on…

Literally Lol Philip

You are so right Paul – they know it’s only three weeks to “NO DAY”!

Meanwhile FF are campaigning for both a yes vote and a no vote.

He is not old enough for starters

Someone should point out the blueshirts disbanded in 1933. Can we ever move in in this country?

Gary

Right back at you. The troubles ended 20 years ago, but you keep banging on about Sinn Fein and their links to the IRA. Tu est un hypocrite

Ann I hate to break up this fantasy of yours but I’ve never mentioned Sinn Fein’s connection with anyone. I practice what I preach. I personally don’t vote for Sinn Fein because their economic policies are rubbish. Not a fan of the amount of times they tell people what they want to hear either.

Sorry about that so Gary, I’ll take that back.

Then please accept my apology Gary, I’ll take it back.

No problem Ann, appreciate that.

TV3 are hosting the debate, your bird brain. How did Adams pick the ground.

Journal
Everyone knows my views and the above comment from Susie Chester ttwitter account is false . Please do something about it and get it blocked . Thank you .

Great comment from a burning bush

Thank you Sean, unlike you I vote for leaders that lead, for leaders who can fight their corner and take on whatever or whomever comes their way.

A leader who cowers and hides in the trenches whilst munching away on vacuous soundbites is not the way to make porridge.

I wonder how Gerry Adams might have responded to a patronizing pat on the head from Sarkozy. He has no balls, and to date your venerable leader has done little else but serve Ireland up on a plate to the lowest bidder.

I don;t think this will help Enda this time :D The Irish people wanted this debate, to help the undecideds… They are the key to either side winning… But i am hearing a few people at work saying that they are not going to vote Yes, if their Taoiseach wont even fight the yes corner… Its definitely going to backfire, a little like Noonans threats last week… It backfired too. Irish people dont like to be threatened and they dont like cowards. We have the whole shibang with this Government.

Cal’s world………everything FG does is bad, boo boo boo……… Everything Sinn Fein does is good, yea yea yea…….. the simplicity of it :)

I think it’s reasonable to characterise the leader of the ‘yes’ campaign and the country refusing to debate his position on television and radio as ‘bad’. Do you not? Think it’s convincing people to vote yes?

All we need to do is make him ‘leader of the yes campaign’ even if he isn’t.

Who then, Gary, is the leader of the ‘yes’ campaign if its not Enda??

I didn’t realise there was a ‘leader’ of either campaign or was one required.

LOL! Cheers for that gary. so inda, the head of the country, will have his photo taken surrounded by ‘yes’ posters, stand up in the dail most weekdays advocating the ‘yes’ vote, and accuse gerry adams of not being sincere in his campaigning. But is not the head of the ‘yes’ campaign.

no wonder he lets people rub him on the head in public. you probably cheerlead him letting that happen as well….

When martin becomes relevant?

How do you measure relevance?

I can’t see why a debate with Micheal Martin would be relevant. He is the leader of the 3rd sized yes party, and they have more able performers in FG.

I can see though why Kenny from a political point of view, wouldn’t go out of his way to give the leading opposition figure a chance to shine as well though. There really is nothing in it for him.

Political strategy hat off “bawk bawk bawk Kenny”.

TBH Sinn Fein would be better off sending out Mary Lou or Pearse Doherty. They’re much sharper.

I agree with that Danny. It was TV3 who requested Adams though.

I think it is natural for parties to nominate spokes people for a campaign.

A lot of this over Kenny is making controversy, is part political strategy. I would like to see it happen though.

Exactly VB is like many his age not pro SF….. He is however critical enough on the treaty as well….. And more eloquent than Adams……. GINGER IS AFRAID

So given that you acknowledge that Browne is critical of the treaty how do you expect him to be an impartial moderation? Or is that you don’t care about that.

I’ve been having the same issue all day Susie – Journal please fix. We have extremely important things to say to Gary if we want to get him to vote NO – lol :O)

Halligan would be as neutral as Ian Paisley chairing a debate on a United Ireland. She has already made clear she is voting YES to the Austerity treaty. Matt Cooper could easily and professionally do it.

Enda is the Taoiseach and the leader of the Yes camapign. Adams is the leader of the largest No party. Micheal Martin is the leader of the 3rd party in the Yes Camp, he is not in Govt. What has Micheal Martin got to do with any of this. He is just not relevant to this campaign.

Besides. I can’t see Simon Coveney agreeing to let him have much more of a say. He’ll be asked and reminded at every turn about o’Cuiv not being on board, and this will drive a lot of FF core voters in to the No camp.

He’ll continue to keep Micheal Martin off air and working in the back ground.

Mwaaa the best….?
But I doubt Adams would have had advantage from VB

vinnie browne is ex labour not a blueshirt

I have reported this comment .

Why Susie? You’re awful jumpy these days… The paranoia over the treaty must be getting to you.

m in good company :) http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/11/puerile/?smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto

Lee, the ‘whiskey and revolver’ metaphor is a famous one used many times by commentators. The fact kenny spun this into something it was not and hid behind a subject as serious as suicide rather than face Browne was the lowest of the low.

Don’t be taken in by kennys cute hoorism. If browne had commented ‘is it not time for Enda to fall on his sword’ we would have had to listen to kenny bullcrap on about standing in the homes of stab victims instead of victims of suicide.

Anyways, Browne apologised on national television. Is our taoiseach really not magnanamous enough to accept it and move on, or is he just hiding behind an issue as devastating as suicide rather than have his arse handed to him? Think about it. Regular as clockwork we see Vincent Browne embarras and expose the governemtn by comprehensively taking one government TD apart after another. Why is inda REALLY not appearing?

I agree with you….. However Kenny suggested Adams was giving Ireland the lethal injection…..
VB did apologise.. So get over it… Or take the advice given

Eh? Enda Kenny is directly reponsible for suicides? What a thing to say about anyone. I would flip my lid if anyone accused me of that.

Surely that is pure slander?

Do you even know the meaning of the word “Directly”?

The “dark room” comment is being taken out of context to suit Dame Enda. It was said in the middle of the leadership battle for FG and of course was not to be taken literally….
Enda had no problem forgiving those within FG who stuck the knife in his back at that time….yet, he can’t forgive Vinny, even after Vinny publicly apologised for those comments
Enda is a bottler, be it in TV3 studios or Europe….

Let’s read the full quote Ed, personally I agree with him.

“Politics is about people and their lives and their careers and their opportunities and that’s what I deal in.

“I have no intention of delivering a lethal injection to the Irish economy by trying to bridge that extent of the deficit in one year,” the Taoiseach said yesterday.

Incorrect Lee, the “go into a dark room with a bottle of whiskey and a loaded gun” phrase is a well-known political metaphor for resignation which dates from the aftermath of the American Civil War. Enda Kenny is lying through his teeth when he claims that Vincent Browne was somehow mocking the victims of suicide.

Lee

NO EXCUSE!!!! He is supposed to be the leader of OUR country. By doing this he has made it very clear that he does not have the balls to stand up to Merkel or Dhragi who stated last week that WE MUST

….”“accept the delegation of fiscal sovereignty to a central authority”.

VB made a public apology for his remarks. Big yourself up Edna and grow a pair.

Ann I’m amused that you seem to think that leaders don’t delegate in all sorts of situations. It’s very odd for leaders not to delegate, in government, in business or wherever.

Eh Gary. “Kenny is the one going around saying this referendum is more important then a general election. Given he attaches that much importance you would think he would attend a leaders debate on the referendum? As he is refusing to attend I can only conclude his advisers think he is not capable of debating the fiscal treaty’s merits. Given that I would urge anyone who has any doubts about this treaty to vote no as how could you trust Kenny’s judgement if he cannot debate the treaty live?

So you think that we must “….”“accept the delegation of fiscal sovereignty to a central authority” and do what super Mario tells us. You may choose the word delegate and not see this as handing over our sovereignty, but most of us see this for what it is. Enda doing as he is told.

Once again I will ask you do you think it is right that we give total control of our economy over to people and an instituion that are above and beyond the law? And please Gary unless you can provide me with a link to any article that backs up your theory that those who work in the UN and other institutions that are completey immune from the law dont tell me that this is situtation is immoral and unethical.

that sould read “isn’t immoral and unethical”

Oh let’s not get all uppity. We have all used a bit of dark humour once in a while. He apologised and that should be the end of it. Kenny’s duty is to the nation and he should lick his wounds and get over it. If there was any insult it was to families that have been victims of suicide, it certainly wasn’t Kenny.
He won’t do the program because he won’t come out of it well.

Okay lads let have some honesty here, many of you are clamouring for Kenny to appear *because* you think he’ll do badly and/or Vincent Browne will have a go at him. Not because he’s taoiseach or leader of Fine Gael or ‘leader of the yes campaign’.
All I personally would like is the person who is representing the treaty to actually know what they are talking about. Same way I’d like the person proposing a No vote to know what they are talking about. This is what we should what. Facts.

Oh and Ann on …”Once again I will ask you do you think it is right that we give total control of our economy”. This is utter utter rubbish. I wouldn’t agree to this, then again that’s not what’s happening so I can ignore it. Christ the scaremongering is getting worse.

It is truly hilarious that the YES side is constantly accused of scaremongering when its blindingly obvious that the vast majority of the scaremongering and insults come from the NO side. “Lifetimes of Austerity, blah, blah, blah. Loss of sovereignty, blah, blah, blah. Nasty Germans, blah, blah, blah” Its endless. Not one positive argument or a plan as to how we can survive and cope if we reject the treaty and ESM. As Mr Gooding Jnr said in Jerry Maguire, “Show me the money!”.

By the way who elected TV3 as the arbiters of what debates can take place on television? They have every right to issue invitations and those people have every right to refuse those invitations. If TV3 were serious about a debate they would have discussed this in private with the leaders and come to an agreement as eventually happened in the General Election. Instead they issue a declaration and demand attendance. Well you know TV3 don’t have that right and about time somebody pointed that out to them.

Gary

as Jack Nicholson once said – “You cant handle the truth”. What I am saying is FACT, I dont deal in fiction. I can only conclude that you have no argument to put forward when I ask you this. So once again I will post the FACTS about the ESM treaty.

ARTICLE 35
Immunities of persons

1. In the interest of the ESM, the Chairperson of the Board of Governors, Governors, alternate Governors, Directors, alternate Directors, as well as the Managing Director and other staff members shall be immune from legal proceedings with respect to acts performed by them in their official capacity and shall enjoy inviolability in respect of their official papers and documents.

Now please send me a link to an article which verifies that this is the norm in any other international institution. Can you provide me with one? No you cant.

@Ann

Thanks for the truthful post. Anyone in their right mind would vote no on these issues. And it seems like Edna who won’t answer to VB, Gary too can’t answer your question directly, without a side step. I’v seen you ask him for an answer multiple times but none surfaces! GL with that my pixilated friend!

The light has dawned. It’s actually the No side which is scaremongering.

Enda “Lethal Injection” Kenny is totally innocent of any scaremongering tactics and has proven that he can be trusted to represent us, the Irish people.

Look Gary and James, you can’t win a debate by hijacking the issues and pretending the opposite of the truth. That’s a shabby tactic.

Ann you posted Article 35 which doesn’t show anything about ”Once again I will ask you do you think it is right that we give total control of our economy”. There’s absolutely nothing in this treaty that does that.

Gary have you read the articles on the ESM you know which follows on from this referendum?

@too trueleft : can u give me examples of public speakers using that exact terminology ? whiskey and weapons

You guys really need to ignore Gary lol

Well they should get on like a house on fire so

V insightful journalcsi

Prejudiced moron

The search for Enda’s balls has begun!

good luck with that censored.can’t be found if they aren’t in existence x

Angie you are delusional. Vincent in a national treasure.

Browne used a well known metaphor for the situation Enda was in at the time. He apologised on national tv for the remark. Kenny is a coward.

A politician should be leading by example and setting example to boot.
Forgive and forget, move on for the good and sake of the country
(You know, like the once paramilitaries up North!).

…But then we have Enda (and Gilmore) so that idea is now mute!

Whatever about the context VB used that phrase in, he has apologised, and Kenny’s indignation is wearing a bit thin to say the least. I’m sure Kenny has had debates and conversations with far more odious people than VB as have most politicians. He’s behaving like a child on this and the more he does the more people are being convinced that the emperor has no clothes.

Enda accepted Miceal Martins apology pretty quickly… we see FFg/FF standing shoulder to shoulder all the time… but then again, FF only screwed this country over so badly, 70,000 people per year are being forced to leave it (life-style choices according to FFg).

Declan, can you post a link to the ‘smirked’ apology please. The only one I remember was the one Vincent Browne did on national television and I don’t remember him smirking.

Was there a second, less sincere, apology as well?

Yes, I don’t think you need to be a Sinn Fein hater to see that Adams has no head for detail. Remember 2007 when Micheál McDowell repeatedly humiliated him? I’d say the only reason he agreed to this was the expectation of an easy ride from Vincent B.

Scary that people are willing to vote for something that is not going to pass in France and then will be amended…. They might add on ‘prima nocta’ for our superior leaders in Brussels or is it Straßbourg….. Not a bad idea since the irish lack the balls to say no…..

Adams was unprepared that day and he did poorly. He performed well in the last debate’s though that he has been in, last years elections.

Strangely enough, given that he lost the debate, it turned out that McDowell was spinning the economic lunatic approach, and the economy dead on the floor is his legacy, that and Bertie Ahern in power for years.

Kenny doesn’t come across well in debates, he gets flustered, self conscious. He knows if Vinny B is being his usual bull dog, that he’ll fall off the cart.

I can understand why he would avoid that.

Redbird got it right, the Irish don’t have the balls to say no.

Alan

Come June 1st the Irish people will have stood up to be counted and we will be sending a resounding NO to Edna and his European puppet masters.

Brilliant, Gary, I don’t speak ‘Political Bullshit’ very well, so can you explain it in English for us not so educated people… Because what i understood was that whether or not we vote Yes or No, we still control our own budgets, which is a total lie, because Lucinda Creighton said the other night that we would be fined for not complying to the treaty requirements.

Actually declan, he is also the leader of the ‘yes’ campaign, and despite constantly telling us we should vote ‘yes’, he is purposely avoiding every opportunity to debate why.

Says it all.

He’s leader of the country, where does it say he’s leader of the Yes campaign?

His party is supporting the yes vote and he is the leader of his party, therefore he is the leader of the yes side. Simple logic.

Em no that isn’t logic, with that logic he must be directly responsible for every last thing that happens in government. He’s Taoiseach so like any leader of anything he can and will delegate to the person best suited to the situation. All this ranting about it is total nonsense.

Dont throw too much truth at Gary, he can’t handle the truth… And Enda can’t handle himself in public. What a sleazy, self-serving manipulative piece of garbage Enda has shown himself to be. When the No’s are counted and the final tally is done, Enda Kenny must resign as Taoiseach immediately. No Taoiseach should carry on in his role, if he was offered a chance to push the undecideds in the country, but instead sends out a clear message that the vote is not so important as to warrant the Toiseach of the country to face off against the leader of the No side.

Gary
He is Leader of the yes Campaign..
I will vote NO <NO < NO

Lads it’s pointless talking to you. You’ve just elected Kenny as leader of the Yes campaign and are then insisting he debates it, and on a specific show as well. We should want the best person so we find out the most factual information. Of course that wouldn’t suit many of you with your exaggeration and scaremongering.

kinda funny hearing ya gary defending the glorious leader,
whilst at the same time talking outta the other side of ur mouth
with “Im not a member of a political party……really”

the lady doth protest wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much :-)

I’m defending against hyperbole and exaggeration which just happens to have Enda Kenny in the middle of it. It’s absolutely unbelievable to get thumbed down for suggesting the *best* people debate so we get the *best* information. Ignorance is indeed bliss.

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Lisa, the real scandal with the ink cartridges is how much the taxpayer is being charged per unit for them.