Who in their right mind finds a “sport” that involves scaring the crap out of small animals entertaining?

As bad as bull fighting. It should be banned,what fun is there seeing an animal being terrifed and being chased by 2 dogs 10 times its size. Fun are you for real?

Of course. We shoukd have moved on from that a long time ago. Animals have feelings and emotions too.

I think there is probably something mentally wrong with people who enjoy watching animals being frightened, oh yes, and theyre called ‘psychopaths.’

in the interests of fairness, the first question that will be asked by the press council shall be why was the ICC not contacted by the author in regards to this article? Why was it only a statement from cacs? John you are upset because your free reign of saying what you like in the media has been dealt a huge blow due to greyhound nuts. The coursing world is far from reeling!! The only time the coursing world was reeling was when anti campaigners deliberately strangled a hare whilst filming it! we were reeling in disgust at what so called animal rights campaigners are willing to do.

@robertkelly Are u for real? Did it ever occur to you why some of us are so concerned for animal rights? It’s because people like you and the government don’t care. Animals don’t get a vote. Hunting is not a sport, in a sport both sides should know they are in the game. Your comment about animals being our property is sadistic. Animals were never our property just like black people were not made for white people, or women were not made for men!

Yes absolutely!!
Cruelty in any form is still “cruelty”!

Reminds me of Cromwell, he dident have much time for our native language. What’s the difference between a Rabbit and a Hare, a Turkey or a Fish..

“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.”

John they did not hand over the footage to the gardai as they are being sought by the gardai for breaking and entering!

your points B C and D are ridiculous and read like a chapter in a conspiracy theory novel, how can so many coincidences occur at the same time as this film was taken, people can see through this mesh of lies john.

finally for point E the irish coursing club are still offering €25k for information leading to the arrest of the perpatrator of the hare strangling, the reason they have offered this is because they know it was due to a break in and was staged by the anti campaign with their vicious web of lies to protect their charity cash cows!

p.s john, elvis is dead

John,
Can you explain why the hare population in the UK decreased by 50% when hare coursing was banned?

This fact alone blows a massive hole in any argument you put forward, it is a fact that Coursing is of great benefit to the hare population, they are very well adapted as a prey animal and if you attended a coursing meeting you could marvel at their speed and agilty while they make foolos of the dogs, thats a big IF obviously as you seem intent to describe Hare Coursing in a manner that is alien to those who go to coursing meetings.

The name of this years Derby Winner was Go Home Hare, it is a phrase you will hear time and time again at any coursing meeting you could possibly attend, if you attend i am sure any man, woman or child you speak to will tell you what the phrase means.

It is not just the coursing there is also the blooding of the dogs to take into account. Coursing clubs will pay over one hundred euro to a poacher for a live hare to blood their dogs with. This is barbaric and illegal as Hares are a protected species. Should coursing be banned ….. absolutely but maybe the authorities should be checking these poachers out too!

It’s a no brainer….barbaric

Some facts for those interested;

Coursing operates under license (22 conditions) from the Minister for Arts, Heritage & Gaeltacht; it is supervised by the Wildlife Department and monitored by the Department of Agriculture, Food & Marine. Surely it is better to regulate an activity, set standards and procedures, rather than implement a ban and suffer the consequences of a significant layer of protection and resources currently provided by coursing clubs being removed.

The evidence of what happens when coursing is banned is freely available throughout the UK Department of Agriculture (DEFRA). They state that since coursing was banned, the most prolific wildlife crime in the UK is hare poaching (36%), conducted by non-coursing people and they report a significant decline in the hare population. That is because coursing clubs prevent and report illegal hunting on a twelve month basis, they work with local farmers in managing the habitat of the hare and assist wildlife rangers when required.

Individual coursing clubs contribute significantly to hare conservation and this is reported by Queens University following independent research whereby they found that where coursing clubs exist, there is 18 times greater hare density than in the wider countryside. The last hare population survey was in 2007 and hare numbers in southern Ireland were 565,000. Coursing clubs play an active role in the conservation of all hares.
The illegal, prolonged and relentless hunting down of hares in the wild by unmuzzled dogs should be of greater interest to him than government-regulated pairs of muzzled greyhounds chasing a carefully selected hare for 20 seconds.

The hares are returned to their habitats under Wildlife Department supervision, and while they are being held in hare parks, they are examined and treated for a range of diseases to which they are exposed in the wild. They are in fact returned to the wild in better condition than when they were captured, Coursing clubs return an overwhelming percentage of hare to the wild (98.90%)

I agree that we shouldn’t humanise animals but to have a respect for wild creatures is important. The argument that hares are born to be preyed upon and hounds born to hunt, does not add up in the context of coursing for a number of reasons, the first and foremost being that the whole thing is rigged by man as a ‘sport’. Very few hares get chased by dogs in the wild under natural circumstances without the dogs being unleashed by man.

In terms of farmers and their land etc., as much damage and gates left open are caused by coursing clubs collecting hares as anything else. Farmers I know have banned clubs from their lands because they are straying onto neighbouring lands where they don’t have permission to be.

I was once on business at a venue that hosts hare coursing. One of the guys in the know was telling me that the hares are fed on an American corn, receive the best of veterinary care, rarely get caught by the hound and are released into the wild after a number of events. He couldn’t understand what the fuss was about and it was all good country fun.

I was left wondering how a hare raised in captivity, fed top notch food and has the animal equivalent of a free medical care could survive in the wild afterwards!

Well if England has banned it, what does THAT tell you?? Of course it should be banned. I was a member of The Irish Council Against Blood Sports over thirty years ago. I was out of Ireland for 20 years so am a bit out of the loop. How can this “Sport” still be tolerated?

The hare is a prey animal and is well adapted for the chase, it would want to be as it happens every day in the wild with foxes being a constant threat and a far tougher adversary than a couple of muzzled dogs, there is no escape for the hare to run to from the the fox.
You know the hare population decreased by 50% when coursing was banned in the UK, it is not the hare you worry about, or the horse, or any animal for that matter, it is a sickness that you need to get on top of and I wish you well in that task.

John

The more we dig, the more we expose your campaign for what it is, a propoganda spin to generate funds for your questionable ‘charities’.

You seem to have gone off debating the facts, prefering to latch onto the this perception that some field sports supporters have copped onto your own tactic of voting and manipulating these trumped up polls. Putin would have nothing on you, but your techniques are old hat at this stage.

As for our image, well if any one is interested, come to the next coursing meeting and see for yourself, the most decent, law biding, hard working and generous people you will ever have the pleasure of meeting. That will be the true image, and not the one that you care to paint through your campaign of villification.

But as I said, its a war with you, and ‘Truth is the first casualty’, particularly when your donations are at risk. I see you took the opportunity to again market your diatribe book earlier in the thread, never miss a chance do you.
Well I shall leave you to earn a crust. Little is the time I have for voting on these polls or warbling over the keyboard with you, I have to dig my way out of a recession.
HiHo, HiHo, its of to work we go!!!!!!

John
Nobody is reeling here but you.’hoist by your own petard’ as the old bard once recounted. The remarks relating to the ICC member who has had a crisis of conscience is laughable, true comedy you must admit when the dust settles following this debate. Not one of your finer moments in your quest, but its excusable when your back is to the wall, I suppose.

The simple fact remains is that anybody can attend a coursing meeting when the season opens again next Autumn and see first hand the sport, that most likely was enjoyed by their forefathers. You will see there is no cruelty involved, and the more they learn about animals and nature, the less concerned they will be as to the welfare of the animals, instead they may in fact come to realise the important role field sports organisations play in sustaining biodiversity in Ireland and the void that will result if less informed and misguided people influence our statute makers, (who lets face it have shown that they certainly have no monopoly on wisdom, and tend to follow rather than lead, when votes are at stake).

My message to the true independent on here, is to get informed. Don’t listen to either side, but go and see for yourself. You will be pleasantly surprised I suspect.

It was great to hear a radio stating announce today the results of the poll stating that the majority of people were in favor of coursing, the presenter went on to state that the hare population in the UK decreased by 50% after the ban came in over there and that the Conservative Party were in the process of reviewing the ban.
He gave a detailed account of all the good work the coursing clubs do around the Country with regards hare conservation.

@ Robert Kelly …. Animals are not “Property”, they are our “Responsibility”! Our Family! You may not abuse your pets, but your attitude towards ‘allowing’ (by not interfearing) (hyperthetically) your neighbor to abuse his pet/dog/cat/horse/rabbit is absolutely rediculous! It IS your MORAL RESPONSIBILTY to REPORT ANY animal cruelty you see or hear to the RSPCA or similar animal anti-cruelty facility! I hope to god that your neighbors are responsible animal owners/lovers because there are way too many a/holes in this world who get away with way too much already!!

Put the proponents of hare coursing in a field and have them chased down by some muzzled ferocious wild animal that’s ten times their size and see how they like it! This is the told blue-shirt horse and hound faction having their way.

No brainier. Of course it should be banned.

Most people who support coursing place emphasis on the point that the animals are rarely physically hurt. They conveniently ignore the stress, fear, and anxiety caused to the animal by the human ‘sportsmen’.

John, it is you clutching at straws. All of your and your fellow anti’s comments are either not true, or based on your opinions (which we can see is the opinion of the minority) The coursing people have shown how they stick together, how they are willing to spend time and money in protecting the hare. They have also supplied factual evidence to 1. Back up there arguments here at home with percentages and studies etc, and 2. Shown how things are not so rosey abroad where you suggested the ban has been beneficial. In summary, hares are MORE prevelant in Ireland thanks to the coursing community and less prevelant in the uk since the ban. The antis have been on greyhound nuts for some time now trying to fish for information so no need to pretend otherwise. 
We have been exposed as a people working very hard for the betterment of the hare. So thank you for the poll to shed light on this. 
You are like a boy who has lost his pacifier, you failed with your poll so you now run to the journal to pull the poll. 

John,
You seem somewhat confused with your own views of the sport. You stood outside Clonmel with members of Aran who have called for a ban on Track Racing which uses a false lure as its is said that this is cruel for a greyhound to chase a lure. Then on the other hand you are calling for a BAN on live coursing in favour of useing the false lure instead. So in your view it is ok to send greyhounds after a false lure in a coursing field but not on a greyhound track. Very Strange Views !
Do you think ARAN are undermining this alternative solution to coursing IE drag racing by calling for a ban on track racing ?

this extract was taken from the association of hunt saboteurs in regards to the video, it proves john is lying in regards the students (probably fictional) handing it in. people must think, who would do this to a hare, a club with regulation and with wildlife officers in attendance or an association that call themselves hunt saboteurs……….
here is the quotation……The AOHS requested a full Gardai Investigation when the video was handed in to Gardai Headquarters by us on 6thApril 2010. Preceding that date two Garda stations, Finglas and Clonmel  said that no investigation was in progress.

I live in West Waterford and I have no affiliation to any coursing club, but since the club in my local area set up wild hares have thrived, mainly thanks to good predator control. It has put a stop to illegal meetings where animals were torn apart, this can only be good. It seems that many of the opinions being expressed here are put forward by people who wish to see an outright ban on any hunting, whatever the consequences to people livelyhoods. Those same so called do-gooders who think it is so cruel should stop and think about what the meat on their plate for dinner this evening went through.

John, You strike me as a kind man that does not like the world you are living in with animals being consumed by humans.
I saw on your facebook page that you want to save a vast array of animals ,(all animals probably :), its commendable and aispirational but at the same time very child like.
We consume animals, we have them as pets, we have them for sport!
For animals to remain on this earth they have to be of use to humans, you can see from the Queens University report that hares are far more prevelent in hare coursing santuaries than in the general countryside.
You may choose to discount the findings of Queens for your own reasons but you can surely understand that animals are a resource vital to humans, a few vegans make no difference to the world in reality.
The white lies have become tedious after a while even if it is from a well meaning child.
The coursing you describe might be from your own experiences but I can assure the vast majority of coursing people do not recognise your ramblings as anything but the fairy stories of a child.

Are these “animals rights campaigners” the same people that released the mink years ago and now responsible for thousands of animals being killed for no reason (a mink doesn’t just hunt for food) and now the government has to offer money as reward for every mink caught in order to prevent what they’re doing.

Are these the same “animal rights campaigners” that sedated a hare last year and strangled it to produce a video to serve their own agenda?

Coursing protects the hare – fact. The dogs are muzzled. The hare is taken in during the harsh winter months when there chances of survival are reduced, they are inoculated, and fed and housed. They come out stronger, is it any reason hares are 27 times MORE plentiful in coursing areas? Fact.

If you get rid of coursing (much like the release of mink) the hare population would drastically an dangerously fall. And illegal hunting would be rampant.

Just to comment on this “terrified” hare comment. The hare, after being coursed, eats grass and food immediately afterwards.
One would think after being hunted and being “terrified” that you could not eat as the blood rushes away from digestive organs during flight/fright and goes to the peripheral areas to stimulate muscles an therefore leaving food the last thing on your mind. Fact. Yet, a hare eats! Because it is natural for them to be hunted. This is fact. Don’t talk in feeling, it doesn’t help your agenda. Talk in facts! Hare coursing is good for the welfare of the hare and is not a cruel sport, FACT.

Humans are animals too. So until it becomes legal to hunt humans for sport, the hunting of animals for sport should be banned. End of!

Coursing is Conservation. Biodiversity ensured through a major , primarily voluntary organisation that covers every county in Ireland.

All the arguments against coursing are moral arguments, generally informed from misinformation and propoganda, or deliberately espoused to generate funds for very questionable ‘charities’.

Even this poll is set up to generate interest and funds for ‘Crusties’, that contribute very little to society, yet require the State and the gullible to keep them in their bohemian lifestyles.

If you go and watch coursing, and still don’t like it, or don’t recognise the overall good the befalls the hare population, through parasite control, habitat conservation, protection from vermin and poachers, including mink released by the very misguided and misinformed animal rights ‘Charities’, or don’t see the economic benefits, then fair enough, but please come up with a sustainable alternative , before you try to ram down your moral beliefs on the rest of the population, fascist style.

Its actually an established fact, based on an independent survey conducted by Queens University in Belfast that the Hare population in the wild is up to 18 times more numerous in areas where Coursing is carried out.
This is because all the hares netted for coursing meetings are released back into the wild in the exact area they are caught in following the meeting. This is supervised by Wildlife Rangers.
Hares are only coursed once each day of a meeting by dogs that are muzzled, this is supervised by Wildlife Rangers
All hares must pass Veterinary Inspection before coursing, also to the satisfaction of the State appointed Wildlife ranger!
Coursing is probably the most regulated sport in the country and I as a coursing club member have absolutely no problem with that.
The other reason hare numbers are so numerous in areas where coursing takes place is that Coursing clubs monitor their areas and police against illegal poaching which can be widespread.
A well run coursing meeting does not involve cruelty in any shape or form, hares are well fed and trained and dosed and inoculated against disease much of which they pick up due to proximity in the wild to farm animals.
People should educate themselves a little about coursing before jumping on the bandwagon to preach about animal right and cruelty!

when the meeting is over the hares a released back into the wild and while at the meeting these animals are dosed and fed daily and its around for hundreds of years so why ban it ?

Would there be this much hassle over child abuse???

Anybody who considers this a sport is clearly an idiot, as are the other idiots who go Beagling.

What are you complaining about fitzy?
Rigging polls is nothing new to the animal rights crusties, you have some great film makers in your group.

Such activities are barbaric – even pretending to tear an animal apart for sport is animal cruelty. What right have we to use animals for sport or profit? If you think it’s a God-given right, then that’s a different God than I know. It is a human decision that gives us the right to terrorize and destroy other creatures, as humans we can instead be humane, fulfilling our better nature.

It’s a known fact that areas where hare coursing is widely practiced the are greater numbers of hares than in areas that it is not done. Due to conservation and habitat protection Done by the people who love there sport and the countryside

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I agree with you on one thing and that is the hare is a great animal, a veritible force of nature. He has evolved into a magnificent animal.
However, I will share one fascinating fact with you to consider regarding th hare. A male hare, known as a buck, will kill any leveret, ( a young suckling hare) he comes across, even his own offspring. Not very Noble or gentle. However, hares don’t share our moral positions or hang ups, and thankfully so.
Naturalists believe this instinct has evolved to ensure a dominant hares genes are carried forward, but it has the obvious other benefit that the young leverets are well hidden by the does after birthing, assisting in avoiding predetation by other foes. She will distribute the young leverets to distinct and seperate forms to minimise the risk of detection.
Nature is red in tooth and claw in all levels, and we are part of nature too, wether you think it or not.

I urge all to watch Nathans video, to get a view of what these ‘activists’ are really like.

A bit off the subject but saw a pheasant being run over this morning the driver could have avoided him but didnt even try. Totally senseless.

My sister lives in Texas. She wrote last week that she thought she was living a life of isolation.
“How’s that?” I asked.
“Well this morning I found myself shooting jackrabbits with my 30/30 from the front porch dressed only in a bra and panties.”
She doesn’t see her neighbors much.

Are you having a bad hair day fitzy?

John Fitzgerald haspractically dedicated his life to this cause, and thats his own perogative, but it is fair to say that he is also benefitting financially from his self initiating campaign, and when this occurs perhaps independence of his position is somewhat tarnished. When one requires the argument to sustain you it does not suit to deal in facts, or come up with workable alternatives that provide the same protection to wildlife conservation that Gun Clubs,Angling Associations and Coursing clubs etc provide. Truelly independent minded persons that are viewing this thread need to consider this before making up their mind on coursing.

Many who promote this campaign and others related depend on the controversy, and they have a policy to divide the issues to attack each one seperately, but their ultimate goal would be to give the ‘other Sentient ‘ beings parity with humans. Lets put it this way, they will never be travelling to Cheltenham, unless it was with a placard to protest.

The best thing for anyone to do before they decide to cast a vote on this topic is to inform themselves. Do this by getting to your local coursing meeting, which will not be on until the seasons opens again next autumn. In the meantime you can join the club and assist in the conservation measures while the hare stocks breed during the Spring and Summer.

Also, some of the comments I’m reading aren’t far removed from similar statements made when slavery was legal…

For people only interested in the hare, ye sure do spend a lot of time on the coursing people’s website?
Do you get on this site using false information? A bit like the false information you post on here?
Working on any new videos bernie?

If hares were stored in small boxes and never let out, should that be legal?
If instead of for sport it was for profit….
If instead of hares it was chickens…..
I wonder how many people could agree with the chicken farms operate, there are many types of intensive farming that far more cruel and unnatural then killing animals for sport. I’d rather be a wild animal hunted then a farmed animal that never lived.

The problem with polls like this is that they are presented to an audience of people who know little or nothing about hare coursing. They are not making an informed decision.

Hares have been chased by other animals, be it foxes or dogs since time began. They are not distressed by beging chased, it’s in their nature to expect to be chased, and there heart rate returns to normal within seconds of a chase finishing.

Hares used in coursing are probably amongst the best looked after animals in the country and hare coursing clubs do more for the preservation of hare stocks in this country than other group.

Don’t ban it.
Replace dogs with Tigers & Wolves
Replace hare with coursing dog owners and throw in some bankers and government officials!

We really are getting fond of just banning everything, arent we?

Check Roberts fridge I fear he is the next jeffery damher !

I’m against the proposal to ban coarsing…… it’s a part of nature for some animals to be predators and some are prey. Why do people have such issue with hunting and coursing, but no problem with other sports such as fishing? Fishing is completely acceptable to society, nobody ever seems to complain about that, however I can’t see how fishing is any less “cruel” than hunting/coarsing etc. I think most of the people commenting here about how cruel coarsing/hunting are should go and witness them first, instead of forming opinions based on media propaganda!

Looking at the amount of No votes is depressing. No wonder our society is in such a mess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF3L7BplMwg&list=UUZYWK6FXIe8MIIdXbP1V2-g&index=7&feature=plcp

Did you ever get around to having the swedish film makers that made this film excluded from your animal rights organisation?
It was appaling to see this sort of thing manufactured to further the agenda of the animal rights terrorists, were the names given to the Gardai that investigated it?
I seem to remember that they were secreted from the Country very quickly after the STRING AROUND THE HARES NECK was found.

Actually John, there are strong indications and support for a return in the UK. Very much so with the conservatives. Also, I think you should be an animal psychic if you can understand feelings of the hare being “terrorized” because as I said earlier, a hare can eat directly after a course or hunt which is something a human cannot so we cannot possibly claim to think they are terrorised or terrified. The physiology is completely different in that regard.
I think the lads above are just trying to show the type of people involved in certain movements like the Cac so they can understand the type of people whose arguments they are reading.

a hare will eat a rabbit a turkey will eat a fish….. and we’ll eat the lot of them….

My whippet lurcher and I go on an adventurous walk daily meeting, bunnies,hares, foxes, rats and even the odd deer. We both arrive back with huge smiles on our faces having caused huge excitement with some of the latter. Very seldom do we actually kill anything but it does happen. Is this cruel? Certainly not it’s NATURE. Urban ignorant people should get a life or stay out of ours!

Robert, do yourself a favor and educate yourself and come back when you have an even close to an idea about what you are spewing, your intelligence is underwhelming :-(

Big development: Advice has appeared on the Irish “Greyhound Nuts” pro-coursing website advising coursing fans to vote more than once in the opinion poll and HOW TO CHEAT Have a read: (you need to scroll down a bit, there’s a lot of this….) Following is directly from the pro-hare coursing Greyhound Nuts site:

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John Henry Newman was correct. We have to respect animals. He was also a great hunter all his life. Hunting and Animal welfare go hand in hand, they are not as you think mutually exclusive. Animal Rights however and any Hunting, Farming, Working or Testing with animals is mutually exclusive.

This is about animal rights and the generation of publicity and donations for animal rights.

and throw in Róisín Flannery and see how she feels after

It would be interesting if people could say whether or not they have attended a coursing meeting and they if actually understand the goal. Most of the information people see is released by the anti-brigade and their “information” is made up or outdated. There is an animal welfare officer and vet at all meetings. Reports have shown that there is no effect on hare population. Watch The Last Waterloo Cup Documentary, and see what happened when hare coursing was banned in the UK.

Hare coursing a “sport”? Have a look a this footage of the “Irish Cup” hare coursing event, held at Limerick racecourse in late February…http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL741E0B6DA3CBB057

I think that events like Dressage, dog shows like crufts etc. are more cruel to animals than coursing or hunting. If they ban coursing, what next ? fishing, all hunting, feeding live crickets etc. to pets. We need to get a grip, focus on the real issues and leave the minority to their enjoyment.

there is double the amount of hares in ireland now than there was 50 years ago and that is down to coursing as all the hares are fed exceptional and looked after well which includes them gettin vacinated, so to be fair, coursing is the reason more hares excist nowadays so whoever is wasting their time voting yes, why dont ye go off and complain about something else in yer miserable lives!!

Ah all the city slickers on here. ROFL.
Rural Ireland Says Enough. Now feck off to your semi skimmed latte’s produced by some poor kid in Africa and your iPods produced by exploited Chinese.
And don’t forget your love of Pennys either gotta keep those little children knitting two euro garments.

Our Country is on its knees – unemployment, emigration – it is quite scary what has happened to this country. I am in total dismay that 2 elected TD’s from inner Dublin have nothing better to do but to be puting their energies into banning a sport that they have in no doubth not attended – I have been attending coursing meetings all my life, it is an integral part of rural Ireland. It is a researched fact through a university study that the hare population is in fact greater in areas that hold coursing meetings – It is a healthy and cultural day out for any family and I can guarantee you that every coursing enthusiast has the Hare’s well being as priority.

No way! It’s a great day out for the family. It’s part of our great culture, with its roots going back centuries.

Re Film makers, Many videos have been posted on UTube by coursing fans showing hares beingmauled and injured…We didn’t make those films Nathan.

Is that an admission that your lot did make the hare strangling video?
It looks very much linke it Mr Fitzgerald.

Hare populations actually rise as a result of hare coarsing. Hares are given medication and food by the hare catchers. I have never seen a greyhound catch a hare, they are fast feckers. City people telling the country people what to do once again !!

The most natural function of a greyhound is for him to hunt .He is a predator . It seems to me that the best “sporting ” function is for him to hunt for his food/prey in open countryside .Like most predators his killing is not a cruel exhibition — but a quick ,clean immediate result .That is how the planet works at a natural level .We may not like it but it entails far less cruelty than keeping a predator in captivity and feeding him canned food that is also animal sourced — often with barbaric cruelty for the animals being processed into the cans .It seems that coursing is the result of trying to make a spectacle out of the greyhound’s natural behaviour — whilst “sparing “the prey . It does not work for either the predator or the prey . It only provides a dubious exhibition of one aspect of a greyhound’s skill . It seems to be a convenient “arrangement ” that benefits showground organisers . To my mind ban coursing exhibitions and open up private countryside for working people to hunt for food !!

Go moan about the dog and cats that are abandonned every day because nobody wants them. Coursing is a sport practiced and watched almost exclusivly by animal lovers where no harm comes to any animal.

In reply to Brian Kennedy…The Utube video does not contain any reference to or evidence of any hare killed or injured or otherwise ill treated by non hare coursing personnel. There was, however, an incident in which a hare was filmed by Swedish students who visited a coursing event in 2010. The hare, on coursing club property, appeared to be in a state of distress or possibly dying when filmed and seemingly had a wire attached to it around its neck. The coursing clubs denied all knowledge of this and the ICC (Irish Coursing Club) offered a 20,000 euro reward for information leading to the conviction of those responsible for this act of cruelty. However the reward was offered only AFTER the brief film of the hare’s plight was posted on UTube by the people who had exposed it. Nobody has been charged with the offence. Meanwhile, many more hares have been ill treated, mauled, pinned down, and subjected to horrific injuries at coursing events. Because nobody has been formally identified as the culprit in the “dying hare” incident, the coursing clubs have been desperately trying to imply that non-coursing people were involved. In fact, there was nothing unique about the incident. The use of wire restraints is common in a practice called “blooding” wherein a trainer teases a greyhound with a live hare or rabbit to improve the dog’s running performance. That is the most likely explanation for what had happened to the hare in that incident referred to. “Blooding” is quite common in coursing and even greyhound racing. Ace journalist Donal McIntyre caught some prominent greyhound industry bigwigs red-handed doing it a few years ago on a track in County Tipperary. Here is an excerpt from his acclaimed film expose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q33yiORJfXs

“No proof that hare coursing has a significant effect on hare population”! What a stupid and ignorant thing to say. It’s cruel, it’s very wrong. If there is a problem with the population of an animal, hares, badgers, pigeons, rats, magpies etc. they should be culled properly and let it be as painless as possible. But to call this a sport, is discusting.

This is going to sound like I’m picking on the catholic church, but I actually know a priest that goes to hare coursing. Personally speaking, I think that’s very wrong.

Since the ban on coursing in the UK , hare poaching has become the number one rural crime. There is no ‘hue and cry’ about this from any of the animal rights organisations. Simply , there is no money to be derived from this. A study br Queens University Belfast – no , not the Irish Coursing Club , found that hares are 18% more plentiful in areas where coursing clubs exist . The answer is simple – there is no poaching , farming is done in tandem with the coursing clubs . I have a list of vehicles I watch out for in my area – I have disturbed poachers – reporting late on a Saturday night with the gardaí are pre-occupied with night club revellers is the usual . I’ve never seen any ‘do-gooders’ out to help. The list of registerations is with the local garda station. I’d love to see John Fitzgerald or Mr Burke take on a van load of poachers in a dark valley on a windy night ! Now that would be a scene from Deliverence!!

I love animals, but at the same time I feel nature has designed the hare to be chased! And man has designed the grey hound to chase, so I don’t think it should be banned!

I’m sorry but were you not happy when you previously did this vote and it came out as more in favour to ban coursing? are you going to keep asking until you get your desired answer?

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Sure it’s only what happens in the wild when a fox chases them. Least this way no one gets hurt :-)

Rabbit stew anyone??

“Do gooders” one pro-coursing guy calls us, while another tries to throws mud at individual campaigners having failed to make any logical argument as to why the bloodsport should be allowed to continue. Protection of animals from extreme and deliberate acts of cruelty is backed by a huge majority of the Irish people. That stuff about coursing clubs “caring” for hares has been trotted out for years. They were claiming at one point that hares ENJOYED being coursed and that their cries of pain were really shrieks of pleasure. I’ve heard their pathetic excuses and sham expressions of concern for the animals they abuse for their sick fun

Its amazing how some human predators claim to love, or care for for, their victims. But that isn’t caring. It’s a sick addiction to something most human beings abhor and reject.

This debate has played itself out in many lands…and hare coursing in the end always got the thumbs down. The backwoodsmen (they remind me of that film Deliverence) here in this country who cling to this sadistic practise can easily switch to drag coursing if they really just wish to see dogs compete. If they are saying that live animals MUST be terrorized to complete the “sport”…then we know exactly what that means. If they really just want to see one dog outwit another, then leave the hare out of it. Eventually hare coursing most definitely be banned in Ireland, but why not do it NOW. Why should the minority who derive pleasure from inflicting cruelty be granted another stay of execution? What sad people…who need the fear and terror of a timid creature to enjoy life.

To Messrs. Brett and Kennedy, you are tackling the ball instead of the man as they say in hurling…throwing mud at people doesbn’t make hare coursing any less cruel…showing up some individual activists in other countries doesn’t in any way strengthen the case for terrorizing hares and using them as live bait. If we opponents of hare coursing were to adopt that tactic we would be focusing on the type of person who gets into the activity these days instead of the actual cruelty itself…and believe me many people would would be quite shocked to know…including possibly the top coursing officials…but that would be a diversion. Hare coursing should stand or fall on its own merits…We know it fell to progress and compassion in other lands. Here too, in time, it will be consigned to its rightful place in the statute books…alongside dogfighting and cockfighting. Look at the the history of hare coursing elsewhere. I don’t see any of the countries that banned it even contemplating its return.

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Why is Conservation and Animal Welfare seperate issues?

Reply to Tom O’ Connor…conservation and animal welfare are seperate issues. Talk about conservation of hares or the number of hares etc has nothing to do with the cruelty factor, any more than the actual number of dogs affected by dogfighting motivats opposition to that fieldsport. Of course people should inform themselves. There are numerous videos of hare coursing events, all filmed secretly due to the “All Unauthorised Photography Strictly Prohibited warning on events cards. These videos clearly show hares being mauled, tossed into the air, or otherwise injured at these “sporting” fixtures. Remember…the debate here is nothing new: It’s all been thrashed out before in many jurisdictions, and the result has always been the same: Abolition of hare coursing. Today in Australia for example the fact that hare coursing was EVER legal there is now deemed an embarrassment to the country’s greyhound industry, and none of the drag coursing clubs that operate there are calling for the return of live hare coursing. Hare coursing has a grizzly and shameful past. It has no future. The timid beautiful creatures that those gangs of netmen and animal baiters enjoy tormenting and terrorizing will some day receive the protection they deserve under our laws. In the meantime, the coursers will be pursued and challenged, even as they act as predators on a gentle creature that has never threatened them.

Of course this should be banned. It is barbaric and cruel to have a frightened animal chased by other animals whose desire is to rip it to pieces and all this for sick human entertainment. Animals are their own being and not ours to be owned, exploited or used for for our own ends. When did so many people lose their compassion?

Correction: You are confusing different issues. The objection to abuses in greyhound racing was a seperate issue, arising from ill-treatment of the dogs thermselves, and the practise of killing or abandoning unwanted greyhounds or ones that didn’t perform well etc.. The Welfare of Greyhounds Act was a response to those concerns. The objection to hare coursing arises from the well proven cruelty to the hares. Drag coursing eliminates the suffering of the hare, but leaves intact all the action, gambling etc. You still have the test of speed and stamina of the copmpeting dogs. You can still drink in the pubs and hotels afterwards. All you are missing is the “turning of the hare”, a small sacrifice you are being asked to make to rid Ireland of an appalling blood sport.

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If view of this organised attempt at “rigging” the poll I call upon Journal.ie to declare it null and void immediately!

The hare coursing fraternity has been comprehensively exposed. This important development will be brought to the attention of all politicians. The inane comments from the pro-blood sports side make their position even weaker. Re comment from Mr. Roberts…it was a member of the Irish Coursing Club who supplied the pages from Greyhound Nuts.

Bloodsport lovers remind me so much of those hilly-billy rednecks………….I can almost imagine them at the race-track, tongues out in the hope of tasting the blood in the air………..

Tom. when you’re in a mighty big hole, stop digging. It’s YOUR SIDE that’s been caught redhanded in an attempt to rig the outcome of the poll. Our tactic? simply to campaign for an end to the well proven cruelty of hare coursing (we have all the evidence, stacks of it)

The “backbone” of the coursing fratetnity? A handful it seems…sitting at computers madly pressing buttons and each of them voting dozens of times to falsify the result of a poll they feared would further undermine their already battered image. All has changed…this time you’ve really shown Ireland who and what you are.

Correction: None of the groups opposed to hare coursing spread glass on coursing fields. These acts were the result of infighting between rival coursing clubs, as I make clear in my book Bad Hare Days where I address this issue in considerable detail…http://banbloodsports.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/bad-hare-days2.pdf…NO member of any animal protection group in Ireland has ever been convicted of such actions, but a member of a Co. Cork based coursing club DID plead guilty to burning haybarns taht belonged to coursing fans…this was again the result of infighting among coursing clubs. Again, I emphasise that throwing mud at anti coursing people does not make hare coursing any less cruel. It’s just silly name calling.

Re. the laughable accusation that anti coursing people “murdered a hare”…the hare in question was filmed on coursing club property and the resulting film was given by the film makers to Gardai to facilitate an investigation. This was because, while it is legal to organise cruel hare coursing in Ireland, actual blooding of dogs with live hares is illegal and the hare filmed was most likely used for that purpose. How concerned coursing folk are about that hare…the same people who have caused thousands of the same animals to be terrorized and injured for a laugh every year! Brian, when you’re in a hole, stop digging. You can switch to drag coursing and still enjoy teh chase…no need to engage in a game of chance wherein an animal is tortured. Great to see a former judge come out against hare coursing by the way.

Re Connor Flynn’s comment…There is no prospect of hare coursing comeing back in the UK. A very strong anti blood sports lobby now exists within the Tory party itself. Even those Tory MPs who wanted fox hunting back have largely disowned hare coursing and regard it as an embarrrassment. Re the hare recovering post-coursing. In fact many hares die after coursing due to Stress Myopathy and injuries sustained on the coursing field. Reports from wildlife rangers prove that muzzling has NOT eliminated cruelty from coursing. Only the removal of live hares from coursing will do that…

Correction: I have to correct you again Tom because, quite simply, your allegation is complete and utter rubish. A film was made of a hare suffering on the grounds of a coursing club, a familiar enough sight at such a venue. The film makers are NOT the culprits, and they were not members of any group here in Ireland, but, as I have explained, two visiting Swedish students.

The person/persons who used the hare for blooding are the ones you should be directing your anger at. You are attacking the messenger, which is never fair or reasonable. Not that they(the coursing personnel responsible for ill-treating the hare) were much worse than the other coursing folk who have similarly ill-treated and tortured thousands of hares nationwide for decades.

Yes, Mr. Gormley was shocked by th eincident…but shocked at the cruelty caught on film which was clearly the work of coursing personnel. He has never criticised the two students who filmed the incident and who then, as civic minded people, made the footage available to Gardai. Their actions were all times commendable in the matter.

The manner in which the coursing clubs tried to blame others for that incident is typical of the kind of trickery they resort to in their effort to bolster their appalling image…the massive exercise in poll rigging on Journal.ie is just the most recent example of this deceitful strategy.

Sinister people? We seek merely to have the Irish Hare protected from cruelty. It is the coursing clubs that engage in the type of activity that you refer to in the case of the “strangled hare” and animal rights/welfare people who seek to prevent such cruelty. You can blow as much smoke over the horrific record of coursing clubs as you wish, but people now increasingly see through all the bogus claims and trickery that has for so long kept hare coursing alive in this country.

The exposure of the poll rigging scandal is the beginning of the end of hare coursing on this island. The times are a-changing. Thank God for that.

In answer to your queries, Eoin:

A) The two Swedish students did hand over the footage to the Gardai to investigate the incident in which the unfortunate hare had been subjected to injury on coursing club property. They handed over ALL the footage and were absolutely upfront about what they filmed at the National Coursing event in Clonmel on the day.

B) They did not, obviously, film the actual injuring or ill-treatment of the hare that led to the animal’s distressful condition. This had occurred prior to their arrival at the “scene of the crime”.

C) The hare was obviously taken to the enclosure by the person or persons involved in using it for blooding purposes.

D) There are not two different versions. When a hare hits a post on a coursing field, or is otherwise injured, it is no longer of any use to the coursing people…except as blooding fodder. Coursing folk don’t as a rule use healthy hares for this purpose, but mainly ones deemed of no further value to them as runners.

E) The failure to locate the culprit or culprits responsible for the incident enabled certain coursing fans to allege that “the antis must have done it to make us look bad!”. This ludicrous accusation has no basis in fact and, significantly, the originators of this farcical “conspiracy theory” just happen to be…wait for it…the same personnel who sought to rig the opinion poll on Journal.ie!!! That speaks volumes for the credibility status of this “theory”…

Your highly personalised insults to me Eric serve only to diminish your own credibility. I have not subjected you to such treatment. The Swedish film makers DID make the footage available to Gardai. FACT. They had no problem doing so because they had nothing to hide, unlike the coursing fans who were behind the incident.Oh yes, the offering of a huge reward for the appprehension of those who ill-treated that particular hare was a nifty PR move by the coursing clubs. But the reward was offerred only AFTER animal protection groups highlighted the incident. I have never heard of a coursing club prior to that incident offering a reward for information on hare killers. There would a lot of rewards to be handed out if they did, and a lot of coursing fans in the dock. Incidentally, I am not not the one lying on this forum Eric, or misleading anyone, despite your childish and vindictive remarks. YOUR SIDE HAS BEEN CAUGHT ATTEMPTING TO RIG THE POLL. Accept your shame like a man. It wasn’t animal protection people who masterminded that episode. The evidence is there for all to see: Cheating on a massive scale to exaggerate the level of support in Ireland for organised animal cruelty. I suggest that you and your pals reach for a big bar of carbolic soap and wash your mouths out Eric. And I suggest you do it before the water charges come in, because I suspect you’ll be needing a lot of it!

You are not comparing like with like and are obviously clutching at straws. The coursing world is reeling under the impact of this scandal.

This is an online poll to determine the level of support of otherwise for a ban on hare coursing.

Pro hare coursing people have been caught attempting to rig the poll by cheating. What this means is that the outcome is meaningless and has no value, unlike the result of professional opinion polls…and ALL those show that a huge majority of the Irish people favour the abolition of hare coursing in Ireland.

Further pages from “Greyhound Nuts” site have since been made available by the Irish Coursing Club member who has had a crisis of conscience. These reveal further powerful evidence of vote rigging.

The Clonmel-based ICC should now make a statement on the matter and tell us all if it condones the vote rigging scandal.

This episode reflects not just on the credibility of coursing fans or “the Greyhound Nuts” site…but on that of Journal.ie. If this matter is not resolved fairly, it will be forwarded to Press Council for consideration.

Animals are property, people should be allowed to abuse them as they wish. I think it’s wrong to abuse animals but I also admit that I have no say over other people’s property and no authority to impose my will on them.

The hare in question was most likely used in a blooding incident..as thousands of other hares have been. The wire around its neck was the givaway. That’s a calling card of the trainer or owner who uses a live hare cat or rabbit to bllod a dog. Again the name calling. That’s what you do when you’ve lost credibility and your case is blown away. The pathetic attempt to frame animal rights people for what coursing fans did is on the same level as the widespread organised cheating by coursing fans and senior coursing officials in a botched effort to win the Journal.ie poll. If was only a few coursing fans in a pub or something…but on that scale! And involving the leading site promoting the greyhound industry. I wonder what the ICC boys will think of this? I’m sure they’ll be proud of G Nuts and all those computer wizards!

Tom, I have no criminal record of any sort and have never in my life been convicted of any offence. In the book Bad Hare Days I recount an episode from the 1980s in which opponents of hare coursing, including myself, were wrongly accused of engaging in militant actions against coursing clubs. This matter was cleared up when a member of a County Cork based coursing club freely confessed that it was in fact he who had committed the offences, which included burning a number of haybarns in Counties Cork and Limerick. Your allegation re the DPP dropping a charge on a technicality is also false and is defamatory. I will not enter into a discussion about this with you as it clearly is not relevant to the question being debated here which is: should hare coursing be banned? If I were to descend to your level I would be drawing attention to certain other issues that I imagine you might not wish to be aired on a forum such as this. You are flirting with libel. I have never in my life engaged in what you describe as “unsavoury” activities against anyone. By contrast, Tom, you have advised people on the “Greyhound Nuts” site to engage in what any fair minded person would agree is indeed unsavoury.

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Would also like to know why the journal deleted my original comment?? obviously not in your favour either then?!

I find the discussion here quite fascinating. It’s really interesting to find commnentators here who are appalled at hare coursing but who get very wound up at the suggestion that there should be any restrictions whatsoever on abortion.

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