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Column: We must introduce paternity leave – for the sake of women, too

Paternity leave isn’t just an issue for fathers, writes Senator Ivana Bacik – it would help women finally achieve equality in the workplace.

Senator Ivana Bacik

AS A FEMINIST, I want to see fathers’ rights recognised in Irish law – through the introduction of paid paternity leave. This may sound odd, but it is entirely in keeping with the founding principles of the feminist movement.

The word ‘feminist’ itself has come to provoke extreme reactions. Many men – and women – see feminists as man-hating, dungaree-wearing, dangly-earringed monsters. The popular image of feminism is stuck somewhere back in the 1970s, that deeply unfashionable decade. But at the same time, an ongoing anti-feminist backlash keeps insisting that feminism has been far too fashionable – so much so that women have really ‘gone too far’, that men are now the victims of these power-crazed ‘feminazis’.

The increasing numbers of women entering their thirties without being married or having children; the audacity of those who actually dare to forge their own independent careers, even the smart, sassy dialogue in films like Bridesmaids. For those unreconstructed reactionary journalists, politicians and writers who can’t bear the thought of women’s rights, all of these things just go to show what’s wrong with feminism.

Unfortunately, the facts as always are rather more complex. As a member of that dying breed – a self-confessed feminist – I have to admit that while feminism has improved the lives of many women, it has not (yet) changed the world. Women remain infinitely less powerful than men; economically, politically and socially. Men still dominate in the workplace, in public office and in private life. This is as true in Ireland as it is worldwide. And that is exactly why we need to change the law to allow men to take leave from work when they become fathers.

I became even more convinced of the need for feminists to support the idea of paternity leave, when I conducted research into discrimination in the legal professions in Ireland. In Gender InJustice (Bacik, Costello and Drew, Trinity College Dublin Law School, 2003), we found that male lawyers still overwhelmingly outnumber women at the top levels, although women have been entering law in larger numbers than men for years (two-thirds of all law students nationally are female).

‘Women get trapped under glass ceilings’

We also found that over one-third of women lawyers had experienced the use of sexist language; 30 per cent felt excluded from social networks essential to furthering their careers; and 14 per cent had been harassed or bullied in the workplace. When asked to identify the reason for the differential treatment of women, those whom we surveyed answered overwhelmingly that it was ‘children’. What they meant was that women’s childcare responsibilities tend to be seen as an obstacle to their career progression – a very poor reflection of our society’s view of children and parenting.

Across other occupations, the same conclusions can be drawn. In general, women get trapped under glass ceilings or stuck to sticky floors in workplaces and careers. The majority of low-paid workers are women, and after nearly 40 years of equal pay legislation, there is still a huge pay differential between men and women. Much of this disparity results both from the failure of workplaces to accommodate family responsibilities – and from the cultural assumption that women are always the primary carers for children.

Of course, many women do choose to give up or reduce their work in order to care for children; but the marked disparity in earnings between men and women mean that it also usually costs more for a father to give up work to care for a child. Feminists have always recognised this, and have campaigned for mothers and fathers alike to have more choices – but choices would be easier if fathers had legal recognition in the workplace – especially the right to paid paternity leave.

That is one reason why the feminist movement in Ireland needs to take on the cause of paternity leave. Of course, there are other powerful social reasons to give fathers time off when their children are born. To put it simply, a right to paid paternity leave – even for a token period of one or two weeks, as in Britain – would make an enormous difference to the quality of life for newborn babies and their families.

So all of us who are proud to call ourselves feminist should campaign for women’s rights; for equality, for access to high-quality affordable childcare, for reproductive rights – but also for the right to paternity leave for men. After all, stereotypes aside, feminism is not about disempowering or weakening men. It is about creating a better society, in which individuals are judged on their own merits, not on the basis of gender or cultural assumptions. It is not that feminism has gone too far towards this goal. It has not yet gone far enough.

Ivana Bacik is a Labour senator and Reid Professor of Criminal Law, Criminology and Penology at Trinity College Dublin.

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Comments (30 Comments)

  • I agree wholeheartedly, and hope that in my lifetime fathers will be recognized as absolutely essential in the parenting role. Women will (automatically) take the major role in the parenting, especially if breast-feeding, but the input from the child’s father is priceless. Fathers (many) need to appreciate how valuable their place is in a child’s life, and the huge impact this has on the whole of their child’s life. This applies to both male AND female children.

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    • Whats up with the thumbs down on this comment ?

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    • Some Fathers need to be reminded of the fact that they are important in a young child’s life. some men find it all too easy to turn there backs on the children without a backward glance!

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    • In 2006, I competed a confidential qualitative survey of a top 4 law firm in Dublin (it was conducted online to ensure confidentiality). I offered open ended questions on a variety of issues, and found that this issue dominated.

      What I found supports much of what Ivana states. There was an imbalance in the firm at the top level and this was partly due to the effects of childcare and the desire to be home for your kids while they were still awake. The affect was particularly acute due to the long working hours demanded of solicitors. Women appear to have been prevented from promotion in fear that they would need to take maternity leave or their ongoing desire to have a reasonable work-life balance. It is a problem that needs to be rectified and manifests itself in the topline figures we see.

      However, people defending the position of these women seem to think childcare is a responsibility and a burden. That family is an archaic institution, and that some women are ONLY housewives. This is simply untrue for many women and men. There is a clear desire to have a family life and career progression. Weighing up a desk job or taking care of children, there are many that would gladly choose taking care of their home and family.

      What is needed is not a ”token” two weeks paternal leave, which would probably not come into affect in the private sector, but rather something far more extensive and clever to ensure that it actually happens. It is also up to women to accept the concept of a stay-at-home father, something feminists rarely champion but does far more to address their movement.

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  • “Of course, many women do choose to give up or reduce their work in order to care for children”

    Its great to see a feminist admit that. Its about giving people choices rather than forcing everyone to be the same. True equality recognises differences. The one thing I did object to was the term “unreconstructed” used to describe those who disagree with feminism, which I found elitist.

    Rather than introduce statutory paternity leave, instead I think it would be better to allow parents to split the time taken off between them. Again giving options rather than putting pressure on people to do things.

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  • Well in the event of a complicated delivery a man has no facility to stay at home and nurse his partner back to full health. If you already have a toddler in the family then I don’t see how its practical to dump a stitched mother at home with a new born and a toddler who is coming to terms with a new arrival. These are the accepted solutions.

    1) Take unpaid leave until such time your partner has recovered!!!
    2) Expect family or friends to do the job for you!!! Providing your have them of course.

    Personally I shouldn’t be penalized holidays/wages or forced to choose between looking after my family or working.

    A career is not compatible with the idea of raising a family. Its not profitable for companies to have people drop out to raise families. Our entire focus is on work. You can of course have a child and then immediately return to work and pay someone else to raise your kids but that leads to more severe issues later in life. Our heads are up our own arses. We are chasing status. We are completely focused on a carrot that some corporate firm dangles in our faces. Its not a discrimination against women. Its a general discrimination against family. Men were lured by promotions and bigger cars, now women are too. Die at 70 after retirement because your feel worthless and have no family, just a house full of shit that cannot comfort you. If corporations actually spent effort embracing family and men had equal facilities to assist in embracing a more complete parental role them corporations would have a greater selection of skills from both genders at their disposal.

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    • Todo 12/12/11 #

      I totally agree with you Niall but I can’t see the corporate world changing to that extent and doubt if any law can make it happen. Without also changing the anti-family culture, we would be only facilitating a more equal distribution of lower pay that goes with “lack of commitment” to the corporate way of life (as it is seen by corporations today)

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    • Nicely said niall. I’m ‘up the duff’ and have a toddler,I’m a stay at home mom too. I’m expecting to have another section as I did the first time around. Dreading the home recovery but luckily my husband has a very good job and I can’t see them having a problem with time off,paternity pay for that couple of weeks would be sweet but it’s not the done thing. Is it 3 days that men get in ireland? I think it’s Sweden that gets 3 months?

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  • It’s a genius move for both parents to be entitled to m/paternity leave. Hopefully it will stop employers viewing women as merely “wombs”.

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    • (As an aside. Please look up the Labour party ethos and vote accordingly Ivana. Unless you want your vote annihilated at next election and want to become the new FF. I still remember the fallout of the Spring tide. I don’t want to give up the hope of having a left government in Ireland.)

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  • Glass ceilings are fine but….. Feminists supporting equality might consider parental responsibility alonside maternity and paternal leave. While there is no denying that women carry the heavier load (excuse the pun) joint responsibility for child rearing needs to be highlighted. Parental responsibility must be recognised outside of employment also. In the Family Courts men appear excused from responsibility of childcare and some judges are not granting maintenance to women if their partners are on Job Seekers. The opportunity for seeking employment is severely restricted when the mother has care of the family.

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    • Sharrow 10/12/11 #

      I think that making sure that there is paid paternity leave will cause a cultural shift towards the thinking of father’s as being equal as parents with the bulk of the responsibility being assumed as being the mother’s.

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  • Why not do it because its the right thing to do? Because its fair and equitable?

    If you DONT support it you are a hypocrite (not to mention sexist).

    But no, the compelling reason given to support this is because its actually good for women. Well, thats alright then. So long as the women are getting something, eh?

    Get gender out of law because its the right thing to do not because it feathers your own nest.

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  • Ivana Bacik’s party has dumped a crisis on lone-parents and children in Budget 2011.

    Interestingly, whilst discussing feminism in the above column she fails to recognise
    that poverty is a cause of marginalisation in education and politics. Effectively with
    huge cuts to the most-poor, the Labour Party have actively discriminated against children
    without fathers.

    But sure write a column about paid paternity leave and ignore the issues surrounding the
    repurcussive impact of created-poverty. ‘A better society is achieved’ when equality of opportunity
    is not taken from the poorest people by a party that abandoned their platform (as did the Greens)
    upon getting into power, this includes cuts to the NWCI.

    (or stuff it Ivana , am uninterested in Labour Party optics)

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  • P Wurple 13/12/11 #

    Ivana, making maternity leave transferrable to the father in full or in part would be much more useful than 2 weeks paternity for men, and should be cost and welfare neutral instead of incurring additional employer and government expense.

    It has to be flexible enough, and NOT at employers discretion. ie, employer cannot refuse to give the leave to the man.

    By flexible I mean the parents can choose how to use those 26 weeks themselves. ie, can take the first 2 to 6 weeks concurrently (useful c-sections or premature babies), and then the woman uses 6 weeks by herself, and then the man takes the rest while she goes back to work. Or any other combination.

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  • Sharrow 10/12/11 #

    I’d like to know what Senator Bacik think of Article 41.2 which says [The state is required to ensure that "economic necessity" does not oblige a mother "to engage in labour to the neglect of [her] duties in the home”.] both as a feminist and in light of the cuts to lone parent payment esp the changes to the provision which will require mothers to go out two work when their child is but 7 and without state provisioned child care.

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  • Todo 10/12/11 #

    Has there ever been a survey comparing the income of stay at home men with stay at home women or CEO women with CEO men? It’s not so much the sex as the life choices that dictate how much you take home. Feminists tend to forget that men who put family first generally get paid less than those who don’t. Many men also hit the same glass ceiling and are not as surprised that they do.

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  • Several studies have been done on men as carers. Men have different issues around caring. I thought we were talking here here about statutory parental responsibility and how legislation could go a long way to addressing discrimination of both men and women. It is essential to keep gender in focus when seeking to make change which offers the possibility of real social change. It is not always about income but so often boils down to finance.

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    • Todo 12/12/11 #

      Quote frim the Senator “The majority of low-paid workers are women, and after nearly 40 years of equal pay legislation, there is still a huge pay differential between men and women.” My point is that, in general, any men who take the same path as the majority of women take in working life are faced with the same results but feminists seem to only see it as gender related instead of role related. If more men take up the role, we will simply have more lower paid men joining the ranks of the lower paid women. I dont see any way around the fact that people who dedicate themselves to work tend to be more powerful and better paid.

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  • Hear, hear, Conor. I suspect some people have no opinion but like to stir the pot, so to speak. A bit limited – but it takes all kinds, etc. etc:)

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  • Who are these journalists, politicians and writers who can’t bear the thought of “women’s rights”? Can the author name names? As for paternity leave, it might be great in principle(I am past benefitting from it) but this is not the time for token gestures that make employing staff more expensive than it already is.

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