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Column: We’re dedicated Labour members – but we’re not happy with the party

Labour is ignoring its core values and policies in coalition. A group of members are trying to change that, writes Neil Warner.

Neil Warner

THERE IS A movement developing among Labour Party members to promote what we perceive as the genuine Labour Party values and policies which have so far been neglected in the party’s coalition with Fine Gael.

The movement is driven by growing dissatisfaction ordinary members at the direction of the current government.

The Campaign for Labour Policies, as our group is called, will be officially launched at a meeting open to all party members in Dublin this Saturday.

The group has been gradually developing since the beginning of this year. As frustration with the progress of government has grown, so has the impetus to found a concrete group to propose an alternative. Initially over a hundred members met in January to voice their frustration and formed a less political group to air members’ concerns called the Labour Members’ Forum. By May of this year, however, a sense was building that something more explicitly political was also needed.

Many of us felt extremely frustrated with the way in which the party conference in April was railroaded in a very undemocratic manner. This was followed quickly by confirmation of punitive changes to lone parents’ allowance in the Social Welfare Bill.

As a response, many of us have been meeting over the course of the summer to draft an alternative set of policy proposals which will be put to the wider meeting of members on Saturday.

There are five things that Labour could be doing differently…

These have been built around five basic points . Firstly, given the continuing poor performance of the Irish economy, we want to kick-start investment and domestic demand with an additional €2 billion from the state’s own resources in 2013. If paid for either through the National Pension Reserve Fund or the state’s current liquid assets, such a stimulus would not add to the national debt.

Secondly, we believe that public finances should be repaired by taxation on high income groups. Ireland current taxation level is among the lowest in Europe while public spending is also well below the European average. This means that much of the savings which need to be made in Ireland’s finances could be done by increases taxes in way which would still not be particularly burdensome in international terms.

Yet, perversely, the majority of budgetary savings so far enacted have focussed on spending rather than taxation. This is in spite of the fact that spending cuts have a more deflationary effect on the economy than tax increases, especially those targeted on people with high incomes. What is more, even those taxes which have been implemented have often been highly regressive – such as the VAT increase of last year. We find this state of affairs to be utterly repugnant to the basic egalitarian values of the Labour Party as we understand it.

Thirdly, there should be no sell-off in semi-state enterprises. Instead, current enterprises should be used to stimulate investment in the economy. This position also fits with a mandate adopted by the Labour Party conference in Galway in April 2012, when delegates voted against any sale of semi-state assets.

Fourthly, we are calling for an increase in workers’ rights, again to bring Ireland in line with basic European norms. Specifically, we want to legislate for the right to collective bargaining and for part-time workers to get access to full-time work if it is available in their workplace – something which is already demanded by a European Commission directive. Again, these are fundamental Labour Party principles in which there has been no progress since the formation of the government and seems to be no sign of progress.

Finally, we are calling for the suspension of all promissory note payments and negotiation of a new deal based on a complete write-down of bank debt.

The Campaign for Labour Policies is very mindful of the restrictions imposed by coalition government and of the difficult decisions that need to be made by in the current climate. However, we also believe that if a party is to commit itself to government, it must feel that in some sense its basic values are being promoted. The course of government so far, and the increase in inequality which Ireland has experienced since 2011, has not really given us anything that can make us feel this is being done. For this reason we have really felt left with no choice other than to propose and fight for this alternative path.

Neil Warner is secretary of the Campaign for Labour Policies. See http://www.facebook.com/CampaignforLabourPolicies and
https://twitter.com/Campaign4Labour for more information.

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Comments (78 Comments)

  • Interesting development. But maybe to little to late?

    Neil can you clarify what you mean by “higher income groups”?

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  • Shame it’s Frankfurt’s way

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  • The Labour party is not the peoples party any more.MR.Gilmore has got very arrogant since he got power.

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  • Labour sold out the ordinary members,not to mention the Irish people just to get power.But then again Labour has form in this regard.I predict a much smaller Labour party after the GE,maybe thats why they want to keep the Seanad.

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  • alan 12/09/12 #

    this is a good idea. there are lots of Labour voters who are in strong disagreement with current party initiatives. statemetns like Gilmore’s on health cuts (all he could manage was that they are ‘regretable’, completely ignoring the fact that he endorsed them and then coerced dissenting party members to endorse them too)are bound to alienate true Labour supporters. similalry, self seeking reality TV PR stunts like Quinn’s do nothing to alleviate the failing situation with regard to education cuts.

    probably worst of all is the way that the labour leadership are trying to create a sense of inevitability with regard to what they are doing, giving the impression that there are no alternatives must be having a detrimental effect on Labour supporters who are trying to resist this process

    my worry would be that a token resistance group within the party cannot really achieve much (and will be spun as ‘Labour is democratic and tolerates all shades of opinion in the party). but i sincerely hope they manage to create something worthwhile

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  • About bloody time…Gilmore Rabbite and Quinn smoked salmon socialists…they have destroyed the core values of the labour party pandering to the fatcats and pushing working class into poverty

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  • Why are government salary levels so damn high, as compared to the balers-out? Joke’s on us!

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  • The choice is simple for the Labour party. Collapse the coalition before the water and house taxes, or be obliterated next election.

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    • I wonder where your personal interests lie when you hide behind a name like that. What doe you believe would happen to the Irish economy if someone took such foolish advice and collapsed the Government in the midst of such an appalling crisis. Economies are about sentiment and at a stage in our recovery from the brink of disaster you want to do further damage and probably a coup de grace to this State for selfish reasons.
      You’re either completely unintelligent or an appalling anarchist.

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  • Barring a complete split by this group along the lines outlined above, then the party will just be deemed to be playing both sides of a coin in the hope of avoiding a ‘Green’ scenario when it comes to the next election, whenever that might be.
    All the same, it’s good to see someone saying the right things that reflect on large portions of the society. The Eamon Gilmore of 2 years ago seems to have been replaced with someone else. Howlin, Quinn and Burton were given poisonous portfolios by a shrewd Fine Gael. Doesn’t say much for Labour strategy. It’s a pity they sold out last year – they could have led this country.

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  • Labour are finished; if they had any self respect & wanted to try redeem themselves they’d tell Kenny & the Troika to fuk off & force an election. Except they won’t, those who have power fear it’s loss but live for its benefits.

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  • The end is nigh….

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  • Fifty shades of red

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  • Labour has no clear left wing ideology.
    Its leaders complain that they are governed by the Troika and are content to inflict cuts on the most vulnerable and the poorest sections of society. Extra taxes can be raised through a higher rate for higher earners. Those that earn in excess of 80,000 should not qualify for child benefit. People that have substantial pensions should not by virtue of their age be entitle to medical cards. The same should also apply for free bus travel. These are just some items a true left wing party would pursue before attacking the poorest in society. However , turkeys wouldn’t vote for Christmas!

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  • Connolly has left the Labour building

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  • I hope they go from strength to strength or am i just being naive here. We desperately need an alternative.

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  • Gilmore’s got a leaf on his head… Just saying…

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  • Too Late, The Damage is Done

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  • Sounds to me like a 5 Point plan, now who was it had one of those????

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  • Sinn Fein will benefit from Labour’s
    abandonment of the most vulnerable in society. Their betrayal of the electorate that placed them in power to fight for the ordinary man will not be forgotten at the next election. The Labour party will resemble Fianna Fail then, including the leaders retiring with their fat pensions!

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    • Agreed. I’ll be switching my vote from Labour to Sinn Fein come next election, which will be soon I hope. Let them have their chance, 80 years of civil war partys in power has decimated our country

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    • Don’t think for one minute SF will be any different than Labour once in government. At the end of the day we have lost our economic and perhaps political sovereignty to the powers that be in Europe. Government is now strangled with austerity policies. What is so galling about the whole thing is Eamon Gilmoe et al who were totally irresponsible per election in making promises that they couldn’t deliver and they knew this at the time..

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    • I’m willing to give them a chance, like I did labour. Everyone else has had a shot and look where we are…

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  • Those in labour with their ministerial pensions don’t give a flying F about the people. They have achieved what they always wanted.

    Now those who don’t have the same benefits want to split into a new new party? Get real they will bow out as soon as they get that big juicy untouchable pension.

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  • This seems a perfectly legitimate thing for Labour members to be doing. Remember, the government is not a Labour government, its programme is based on compromise, and its perfectly natural for Labour members to feel that they are the ones who have done most of the compromising. Right now the Labour members of the government have to commit themselves to the compromise, but the rest of the party still have every right to be vocal in highlighting what Labour (not Government) policy and positions are. And its no harm for those members of government to be reminded by the people who went out and campaigned for them (as opposed to those who now rely on them for their jobs as advisors), as to what they were elected to do, i.e. implement as much of the Labour programme as possible. I wish this initiative well, I hope it doesn’t morph into a new ‘Labour Left’ which ultimately lost its way and became simply an Emmett Stagg support group…

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  • Good luck. Organize yourselves and give it everything.

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  • Basically this is how they,ve fukd the country big time;

    Ireland’s economy, weighed down by the legacy of the near- collapse of its banking system, is struggling to grow as international growth prospects weaken. The IMF repeated its call for Europe to help the state lower the cost of rescuing its financial system, which has cost the government about 64 billion euros ($82 billion) so far.
    Irish Economy 2012: Preliminary estimates for the first quarter of 2012 show seasonally adjusted volume declines for both GDP (gross domestic product: -1.1%) and GNP (gross national product: -1.3%) compared with the fourth quarter of 2011. However, the Central Statistics Office (CSO) says that compared with the same quarter one year ago there were constant price increases in both measures: GDP (+1.2%) and GNP (+0.2%). 2011 GDP was revised up to +1.5% while GNP remained at -2.5%. The current account was in deficit with a value of €1bn in the quarter.
    The Balance of Payments current account was €1.04bn in deficit in the first quarter of 2012. A merchandise surplus of €8.28bn was more than offset by an invisibles deficit of €9.33bn
    Irish GDP growth was 1.4% in 2011, double the 0.7% indicated by the previous release;
    The revision reflected stronger exports (5.0% versus 4.1% in the first release) and a shallower (2.0%) decline in consumer spending;
    An upward revision in nominal GDP from €156.4bn to €159bn means that the government debt/GDP ratio has been revised to 106.5% from 108.2%.
    The quarter 1 figures for 2012 were somewhat disappointing, showing a quarter-on-quarter GDP decline of 1.3%, but the seasonally adjusted quarterly data need to be treated with particular caution. Exports were still growing, but there was a significant spike in imports; this may well be reversed over the coming quarters. The imports increase may also be a precursor to stronger export activity over the remainder of the year. The annual figures show that services exports grew by 12% in Q1, which is reflective of the overall strength of the technology sector in recent times.”
    To put this in context; the direct cost of €64.1 billion is equivalent to :
    - 41% of GDP
    - approximately seven times what the state spends annually on education.
    - over four times what it spends annually on health
    - over three times what it spends annually on social protection
    - almost twice the state,s total tax revenue
    28 November- the European Union agreed to a €85 BILLION rescue deal of which €22.5 BILLION from the EFSM, €22.5 BILLION from the IMF, €22.5 BILLION from the EFSF and bilateral loans from the UK, Denmark and Sweden.
    24 Novemeber 2010: Cowen unveiled a four year plan to stabilise the economy by 2014;
    - Drastic cuts in social welfare
    - lowering of the minimum wage
    - increase in value added tax
    - maintaining the state,s low corporate tax
    On 21/07/11; ENDA Kenny announced that an agreement had been reached by Eurozone leaders to reduce Ireland,s interest rate by 2% and extend the repayment period.
    ENDA Kenny also said that it will move Ireland towards a manageable DEFICIT OF 3% of GDP BY 2015.
    In 2011,s Budget;
    - public spending was cut by €2.2 BILLION, and taxes were to be raised in the amount of €1.6 BILLION.
    Also ENDA Kenny said; we,re shutting down dysfunctional banks and we,ve recapitalized the remaining one,s at a lower cost than expected by imposing losses on some bondholders (lies).
    The main purpose for 2011,s Budget; and their four year strategy was;
    - creation of jobs four our people ( in 2011 more than 100,000 people LOST their jobs and he only plans on trying to create 100,000 jobs over the next 4 years and we,re supposed to be grateful?????)
    -we will leave income tax untouched
    This is what was involved in the 2011 Budget;
    . No reduction in state pension (how convenient)
    . €10 reduction in Child Benefit rates
    . €8 cut for social welfare, jobseekers payments
    . 4c on petrol, 2c on diesel from midnight ( which government will not suffer due to “fuel allowances”)
    . Revised air travel tax of €3 from March
    . €40 payment for fuel allowance recipients
    . New minimum wage not in tax net
    . Public service pay will not be cut
    . Public sector salary capped at €250k
    . Public service pensions over €12k cut 4%
    . Taoiseach salary cut by €14k; ministers by €10k ( however taoiseachs salary was raised back up to €211,000 a few months after).
    . Next President’s salary to be capped at €250,000
    . Employee PRSI/health levy pension relief gone
    . Income/health levies to be replaced by single universal social charge. Rates on the charge will be 0% below €4,004 a year, 2% up to €10,036, 4% from €10,036 to €16,016 and 7% above this level
    . Pension contributions subject to PRSI and Universial Social Charge
    . Employee PRSI contribution ceiling removed
    . Increase in the PRSI rate for the self-employed, higher earning public servants and office holders
    . 1% tax on residential transactions up to €1m; 2% over €1m
    . All stamp duty exemptions abolished
    . Car scrappage extended for six months
    . No change to Ireland’s corporation rate
    . Value of tax bands and credits to be reduced by 10%
    . DIRT increased by 2%
    . Online betting will be subject to the same betting duty as in bookie shops
    . Carer’s Allowance for those under 66 to be cut by €8 to €212 a week
    . Disability Allowance being cut by €8 to €186 a week
    . Business Expansion Scheme to be revamped
    . 15,000 activation places for unemployed
    . Third-level student charges are to rise by €500 to €2000
    . Student grants are to be cut by 4%
    . New passport fees for over 65s
    Notice how it’s all the average joe soaps of Ireland who suffer, and come 2012,s budget we will see our salaries slashed even more, 2013,2014,2015 and 2016 will see the worst cuts imaginable brought down on the citizens of Ireland whilst the high up classes keep their nose up the ars of the banks, IMF, ESMS and ESFS.
    They couldn’t run a brothel!

    http://www.change.org/petitions/supporting-the-irish-nation-step-down-from-government

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  • “Public finances should be repaired by taxation on high income groups” – if you are the “true” Labour, why don’t you go after the corporations??

    Seriously, how many people with 100K or more income are there in Ireland (the total labour force is just 2.2M)? How much money do you plan to generate this way? Do you think that at the most a couple of billion will help you fund pension liabilities, all the social programs, investment programs, etc? (and I’m not even talking about the fact that one can’t milk a dead cow forever and the adverse effects of over-taxation)… Get real!

    In 2010 corporate share of tax contributions was 11% (corporations paid just under 4B)! The labour force forked out the rest – 89%… Now, everybody’s saying that 12.5% rate is “sacred” and corporations generate employment, and if we raise tax rate, they will leave Ireland, etc. OK, the EU’s goal is tax harmonization… How long do we hope to manage to keep 12.5% rate untouched?! (rhetorical question)… Why not go for the biggest pot of money – raise the rate, say, from 12.5% to 13-14%? Will the corporations just pick up and go?! (and BTW, how many corporations are just incorporated in Ireland and have no meaningful presence here?)

    You, guys, should have some economists crunch numbers for you before you come up with your manifesto…

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  • If Labour are not careful they might just go the same route as the Greens did

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  • I hope the labour party suffer the same fate as the greens after the next G E as 1 seat would be too many Glad i did not vote for them or ff or fg

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  • Remind me what Labour core values are? Do they include maintaining civil servants on six figure salaries?

    Oh and please could people stop posting comments longer than the article being commented on?

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  • This is pure faff. Labour trying to be in Opposition & Govt simultaneously. You can’t be both!

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    • That is pure nonsense. This is clearly a group trying to change government policy, not walk out on it.

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    • Agree , Paul. How can they be dedicated Labour Party members and be so fundamentally opposed to what the Party is doing. Far from dedicated members.

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    • FF managed it for quite a while then.

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    • I will tell you how the can because the top people in Labour are now Fine Gael lackeys. Gilmore Rabbite and Quinn have there snouts firmly in the trough and they will all ride off into the sunset with their big fat pensions before the next election. Their Labour Party is not what the grass roots and working class people in this country voted for. They were fooled by there election lies and promises

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    • This is a grassroots campaign. I know FF tends to only be as big as its parliamentary party (which makes it fairly small these days) in terms of internal discussion and criticism, but not all party’s work like that…

      Loyalty to the Party and loyalty to the Parliamentary Party or the government are very different things, but it seems Paul is unable to grasp that…

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  • All of this tension between Labour and FG, and Labour “members” starting out various groups and ranting away reminds me of the Greens when in government with Fianna Fail.

    Have the smaller coalition parties no balls? Have Labour in fact, no balls? Christ, the country is in some state and they knew very well what they were getting into when elected. Now when the going gets tough, they start to bottle it.

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  • More smoke and mirrors.
    Trying to convince their electorate that they’re in their corner and are not happy at all with the quisling labour party and their appeasement of the FG tyrants….nothing will come of this only a shrug of the shoulders and a pitiful – “ahh we tried but it was better to influence party policy from the inside than out” spin.

    If they were true to their ideals they would have begun a bill right from the start to massively reduce their own wages, perks, expenses and obliterate the shameful waste instead of reaping the ill deserved benefits and preaching austerity on everyone else.

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    • This is a grassroots campaign Dermot – I don’t think many if any TD’s are involved in it. None of the people involved here stand to benefit personally from this. They care about the Party and where it is going – that is why they are trying the internal reform route. I know many of the people involved – hard as it may be for you to believe, they are genuine. Do you ascribe such ill intentions to everyone you read about on the internet, or just those you’ve never met before?

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    • I have no ill intentions towards anyone, do you ascribe assumptions to everyone you see commenting on the journal.ie or just those you’ve never met before?

      Regardless of that surely you can acknowledge the cynicism people have now regarding anything that comes from the labour stable, it’s on a par with FF’s pathetic opposition.

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    • I never accused you of having ill intentions, I accused you of ascribing ill intentions to those who are involved in this campaign – trying to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes or engaging in smoke and mirror tactics as you called it.

      I also pointed out that this is not something that the leadership or the politicians (the ones with the wages, perks, and expenses you where talking about) dreamed up. It’s a gathering of ordinary members – ordinary people with ordinary lives who have ordinary jobs if they’re lucky enough to have one, but who decided to become active in the Labour Party as they saw it as a vehicle for progressive change. They are opposed to what the leadership is doing in Government, but see the party as bigger than its leadership. They have gotten together to formulate and present an alternative to austerity, while keeping a core-labour perspective, and to try to spread that message to as much of the party as possible.

      What I don’t understand when I read comments sections like this, is that I come across several posts from people who are pretty clearly not happy with the Labour Party. That’s fair enough, to each their own opinion. Then, when a group forms within the Labour Party to try and change its direction – the same direction so many of these posters so angry with the Party in the first place – they throw scorn at the people involved. Sometimes you just can’t win with people it seems

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  • Great idea Labour supporters,fire Gilmore and Rabbit bring down the government and let’s start running the country without the Unions.

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  • The first of five basic points: Raise €2 billion for a stimulus, “from the state’s own resources … paid for either through the National Pension Reserve Fund or the state’s current liquid assets”

    “Thirdly, there should be no sell-off in semi-state enterprises”

    The goals of this wing of the Labour party are very clearly “We want our cake and to eat it.” Lets raise taxes, because “internationally” it won’t have a major impact… What sort of a leap of logic is that? Firstly, ignore a whole load of economic facts about our tax burden; and then say that, well, internationally big tax increases won’t do anything bad to the economy…? Domestically I sure bet it will!

    This is the wing of the Labour Party that needs to hop, skip and a jump back into opposition, wherein they can be safely insulated from having to make any decisions in the real world and can never be proven wrong in their logic.

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  • How come it took 18 months and two resignations for you lot to suddenly “rise up?” When you see the writing on the wall it is too late. You are already too close to the wall to stop. Adios!

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  • So how do u get your enemies on your side throw them a few scraps and convince them you are part of the same agenda. Labour party finished in next election , remember what happened to prog. democrats after following Berthie..

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  • Love his hair

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  • When the Labour party members finish their tug of war over ownership of the red flag (much faded), one side will have the shreds, the other side the tatters. The rest will lie as rubbish for the dust bin of history. Meanwhile, the serial party destroyers will waddle off to live on big fat pensions. Some pigs are more equal than others, brothers!

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  • Top little – too late.
    Possible PR spin too!

    Labour and Fine Gael have turned into massive u-turn artists and national traitors to the Irish people.
    They are a disgrace to the workers and unemployed of Ireland.

    Shame on the lot of them as they over this weekend and the weeks to come at their “think-in’s” at their luxury hotels, drink and golf away while the rest of the country suffers more at their hands!

    Two faced, CRIMINALS the lot of them!

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  • roll on the next election both parties will go the same way as the last shower. interesting times

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  • Fair play to them, if you want to know more about where they got their policy ideas just visit http://www.SinnFéin.ie

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  • What happens when lefty idealism collides with the real world

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  • First item on the agenda, The Split.

    Well intentioned but only washes laundry in public.

    Do your lobbying within the party, like the rest of us!

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    • alan 12/09/12 #

      like the rest of who? labour party (paid) councillors?

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    • It’s not like that route hasn’t been tried Keith – if you where at Conference then you’ll remember the amount of railroading done there. Many substantive motions where referred back. Members need an outlet (Conference has ceased to be that outlet) and are breaking no rules by organizing themselves as a faction.

      Besides, they are not seperate from the party, so their lobbying happen within the Party.

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