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Dublin: 8 °C Tuesday 21 May, 2013

Column: Yes, Ireland is special but fewer care than we think

We’ve done well for a small island nation, writes Mark Boyle from Japan, but we shouldn’t overstate our sense of exceptionalism: it doesn’t serve us well abroad.

Mark Boyle

“YOU’LL NEVER BEAT the Irish” sang the full-throated fans in Poland as they watched the Boys in Green getting soundly thrashed by three obviously superior teams. The euphoria and tear-blinking pride in these words distracts one from the fact that we have been beaten many times, are currently being beaten by economics and assuredly will be beaten again. But that’s not a comment on us: it’s the truth for any and all nations.

Exceptionalism is the belief that whereas others may fall within the same bell curve of virtues and failings that everybody else does, you are different, you are the exception and the Irish are divils for it.

This tendency to some degree is a normal human trait so is nothing to feel too guilty about. A majority of people believe themselves to be of above average intelligence even if you point out how statistically unlikely it might be. In effect this translates to everybody saying to themselves “there sure are a lot of stupid people in the world. I’m glad I’m not one of them.” Statistically speaking, some of us have to be below average so that others may be above.

But the Irish have always known ourselves to be special. We are a small, resource-shy island that historically had the misfortune of being placed between the cold wall of the Atlantic and the stifling abuse of another, larger country, ambitious and aggressive enough to be at one point the most successful colonial power in the world. Yet here we sit in relative prosperity and self-appointed authority, engaging in the adventure of nationhood like our erstwhile oppressors.

We punch above our weight economically with the fourth highest GDP per head in the Eurozone. We have a history of excellence with four Nobel prizes for literature and scientific pioneers like Robert Boyle and Nicholas Callan who made some of the greatest discoveries in sciences’ history. On our emigrant backs were populated both the nations of Australia and America, not to mention the great industrial cities of Liverpool, Manchester and Glasgow. In short, we’ve done pretty well.

“We draw on the achievements of every Irish person in our history, from Katie Taylor to Fionn MacCumhaill”

All nations go through times of change and transition. Germany as it is now known was only conceived of in the late 1800s and fledgling nations like Kosovo and Southern Sudan even now are shakily trying to secure recognition for the very idea of their country.

Perhaps it is the fact that we are an island nation and our borders have the undeniable permanence of the sea that has made it easier for us to look back at previous inhabitants and absorb their victories as our own. For if they lived on this island, we can say confidently they were Irish. Such
certainty gives us a long memory and allows us to draw upon the achievements of every Irish person in our history, from Katie Taylor to Fionn MacCumhaill.

But who else knows about them or us?

When I first came to Japan as a teacher in 2010 I thought a good way to introduce Ireland would be by showing off our more internationally renowned sons and daughters. Head and shoulders photographs of Liam Neeson, Bono, Oscar Wilde, Roy Keane and Mary Robinson were run off on the school printer and I decided to test them out on my co-workers.

“Here are some pictures of famous Irish people,” I announced.

“Oh are they [blank face]? Mmm… [nods] very nice.”

There have only been three occasions that someone came up to me, interested that I was Irish as opposed to just foreign. Once was when they saw on the national news the grim humiliation of the troika coming to Dublin.

Another was when a colleague wanted to talk to me about the Icelandic volcano as he assumed (as many do here) that Ireland and Iceland were the same thing. “Is your mother alright?” he asked gravely.

Finally one of my sixth-class students called me over a few days ago and as he is a bit of a chancer I expected the worst. Perhaps an inappropriate comment about me or my girlfriend was on the cards but surprisingly he shouted “Ireland! Soccer!”

“Yes!” I thought, “they finally understand where I’m from. Not Iceland, England or America. Ireland!”

“Mark-sensei, Robbie Keane is unskilled.”

“Um. Thanks.”

“I had gotten ahead of myself in how I saw Ireland compared to the rest of the world”

This was not what I expected when I came out, my assumption being that the Irish were as internationally de rigeur as we are always led to believe. Perhaps it is a bit much to expect my students to know who Mary Robinson is; after all who among us can name the Japanese Prime Minister?

I had gotten ahead of myself in how I saw Ireland compared to the rest of the world.

More recently glimpses of this could be seen as countless financial and European commentators were pressed in the media on the question of what would be the outcome if Ireland voted No in the referendum, would it derail the Eurozone nations’ attempts to consolidate fiscal policy across the Eurozone states? Time and again it was pointed out Europe had no intention of waiting for such a minor player in Europe.

One could argue that there was a measure of it driving John Delaney to ask FIFA for a 33-nation world cup in 2010, although to be fair, the flailing foolishness of heartbreak also played its part.

As well as we have done in the past, if we allow our geographical isolation and historical awareness to compound our natural tendency towards exceptionalism, it may only embarrass us internationally at a time when we can ill-afford it.

All countries think they’re different and perhaps Ireland has a better claim than most, but in any claim it would behove us to remember how small we really are.

That would be very small indeed.

Mark Boyle is currently working with the Japanese Exchange and Teaching programme, teaching English in rural Japan.

Update, 9.45am: A reader emailed to ask that it be noted that not only have Irish people won four Nobel Prizes for Literature, but also two for Peace and one for Physics.

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Comments (81 Comments)

  • This ends abruptly. Where is the second half? As it is, it might be wise for the Irish people as a nation to worry less about who other nations see them, and more about how the quality of life can be improved in the country itself. Would you rather live in a house that looks better on the outside than in the inside?

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  • I went to teach in Korea around the same time as the author mentions arriving in Japan, and I have to say, most of my experiences were the polar opposite of what is described in this article.

    Korea’s history is very similar to Ireland’s, and the actual topography of the country is a mirror image too. In my time there, people’s attitudes noticeably changed when they discovered I was Irish. They were able to tell me about Roy and Robbie Keane, about how beautiful Ireland was, how Ireland (at the time) was voted the best place in the world to live, how Dublin was (and still is afaik) one of the most expensive cities in the world to live in. They always wanted to know if I was from the North or South, believed I had an inbred dislike of the English, and had a huge interest in whether or not I was teaching American English, English English, or Irish English.

    One Korean professor from another university sought me out to help her with Irish/Korean pronunciations for a book she was writing about the parallel histories of the two countries, another professor wanted help comparing the history of the literary greats of Ireland with those of Korea. My students used to take me to Nore-bangs (karaoke rooms) where they would have Irish nights and sing Irish songs. (Van the Man’s Brown Eyed Girl was a favourite amongst the female students for obvious reasons). I learned more about Westlife, Boyzone, and The Corrs on those nights than I had, or wanted to, while living in Ireland.

    The Korean’s actually enhanced my sense of “Irishness” and I embraced it more while living there. So, while I can understand the author’s point of view, and can agree that when it comes to politics, in general, foreigners know as much or as little about ours as we do about theirs, it is all a matter of perspective. My brother lived in Japan at the same time as I lived in Korea, I have a Japanese sister-in-law, and forgive the generalisation, but I’ve found the Japanese a far more insular culture and largely focused on home affairs and local politics, rather than international news. Using them as the basis for “fewer care than we think” is an easy example to support the theme. National identity and pride is abundant in every culture and country, the fact that more people prefer to focus nationally, and on the things that affect them on a daily basis, rather than internationally, is no great surprise.

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  • Living in the UK even, I’m always amazed by how many things I thought were world-famous about Ireland; that in reality nobody has a clue about.

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  • When I was in Cuba people were genuinely surprised to know that the major part of Ireland is independent of the UK and that the remainder is increasingly autonomous. I suppose that suits the authorities.

    Additionally I’ve encountered many people from various countries of varying intelligence (including here in Ireland) who enjoy to perpetuate the myth that Ireland is a plucky little country fighting still against the might of the UK when in fact it’s not.

    All countries think they’re different and perhaps Ireland has a better claim than most

    All countries are different, none more than any other. Of course in some ways all countries are the same.

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    • In many countries geography is not compulsorily taught in the schools and therefore their level of ignorance of the outside world is higher than other countries. The US is a fine example of this. Peoples in all countries are ignorant of other countries in direct proportion to the distance from themselves be it cultural or geographical.

      Their main encounter with Ireland is through studying history which they would not encounter if it were not for the Irish struggle against a superpower which accounts for their out of date perceptions. Of course recent internal wars in the United Kingdom serve to enhance these false perceptions.

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    • My favourite comment has to be (from an American woman who is normally reasonably sane) “The English invaded Ireland and stole all their potatoes”, the conversation went downhill from there.

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  • We put a map of Europe on our bathroom door recently as my daughter is beefing up her geography. I had no idea how many countries, twice the size of Ireland, I know nothing whatever about. Yet presumably the proud citizens of Byeloruss and Moldova think they, too, are very special – and they are right. Lets all be special together!
    Ps – does anyone know why there is a piece of Russia beside Poland, completely disconnected from the rest of Russia, without its own name? How are they supposed to feel special?

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  • “You’ll never beat the Irish”

    Well obviously it’s not meant to be taken literally.

    It generally refers to the manufacturers of any dairy products.

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  • Living in France and in Brittany to boot can give one a false idea of where the other world populations place Ireland if indeed they ever think about it at all. The Bretons see us as cousins, the French as the perpetual enemies of the English and therefore playing on their side. The Pub is the symbol, the four leaf clover the emblem, the red hair the visual. I am often surprised still by the number of people who think Ireland still part of the UK. The fighting Irish is a misnomer but important to the mindset of USA Irish. The fact is that the Irish seem to be happy even with the economic woes, the weather and the place of Ireland set well within the Europe of today revels a real ‘bonheur’. Past glories, the Celtic Tiger and the Nobels are our remparts against reality.

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  • The fact is that although an international image is important national pride amongst ourselves is more important. we should take pride in our achievements and strive to do better and build a better society for all our citizens. on the flip side of the start of this article I’m sure if you showed Irish people the pictures of 4 famous Japanese people do you mean to say they could name who they are? I know who emperor Hirohito is but couldn’t pick him out of a line up!
    a sense if national pride is a good thing and shouldn’t be diminished but encouraged

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  • When we were in Ecuador several years ago we were advised for our own safety (and in no uncertain terms) NOT to go into Columbia for a day trip as anti-Irish feelings were running very high at the time after a certain three individuals went on ‘holiday’ there on false passports to visit the FARC rebels…

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  • D Griff 03/07/12 #

    We are unique
    Just like everybody else!

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  • i was in poland and we also sang, (to the tune of yellow submarine) all the way to poland and weve hardly kicked the ball, hardly kicked the ball, hardly kicked the ball

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  • Mark, I’m surprised that you would expect Japanese people to know about the history or culture of Ireland. We are geographically and culturally so far removed. How much do you think our average 20 year olds know about Japanese culture? but could anyone name a famous Japanese writer or actor or their most famous baseball player?

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  • In my travels abroad I always found a welcoming tone as soon as they knew I was Irish. In my experience it was because we were known for our friendliness, willing to have fun, and sense of humour. When Irish eyes are smiling. To me its a sense that no matter what happens, and a lot has, known once as the land of saints and scholars, then came the hundreds of years of oppression, the famine nearly wiping us out, and then the mass emigration all over the world, despite all this, we’re still there. More important than a few games of football, we’ve still survived, and like any nation should be proud we are known to many as a smiling one. Keep smiling and tho they may not know your present day celebrities, if you do well, they’ll know the sense of humour and fun the irish have been known for by many, in my travels anyway…

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  • Talk about stating the obvious. It’s like saying ” Non Irish people dont know much about Ireland, even if they come from Japan.”

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  • Mention Leifiado Hearn to any Japanese person. The son of an Irish man, who traveled and settled in Japan in the 1800’s, married and wrote down the Japanese spoken myths, legends and folklore.

    To be fair though, my misses is Japanese, and she didn’t have a clue about where Ireland was before she was offered a contract here in 2009.
    Citizens generally only know the names and loations of large countries and their neighbours, it’s hardly surprising that not many Japanese know who the Irish are.

    We’re still a great bunch though, with more determination and passion than most other nations, apart from the US

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  • Reminds me of the summers I spent in Spain. Would be asked if I’m English. When I replied with “No. I’m Irish” you could literally feel the mood change for the better. We have a reputation abroad for being the happy-go-lucky group that will be friends with anyone. It is a great identity to have.

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    • I had exactly the same experience living in Italy. Once they realised I was Irish the conversation dynamic changed and they’d want to ask loads of questions about it, they were genuinely interested.

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  • The people of this country have been already made to feel small enough! If not through years of imperialist rule, then more recently, through the arrogance and greed of the politicians elected to replace it. Why on earth would you expect Japanese kids to know who Mary Robinson is? Half our own kids don’t even know. Show some irish people pics of Japanese people and they’ll hardly be able to tell you oh, that’s Hayao Miyazaki!nI couldn’t really believe my eyes reading this actually. We’ve been struggling through 5 years of recession now, the quality of health and education services being squeezed to the bone so that money can be diverted to pay off extraordinary debts that never belonged to us, yet through all that time we felt bad enough and unsure of ourselves that we generally swallowed the idea whole and submitted to whatever the government told us. We put up with the humiliation if the troika and out budgets being discussed in german parliament beforw half the people in the Dáil had a chance to see it. Why? Because we feel small and insignificant. What’s the point in protesting, we say. They will just do it anyway. We can’t change anything!!nSo I absolutely reject the premise of this column. I would argue that we don’t feel proud enough! We are so lacking in pride, that most of us argue for the language of our forefathers is useless and defunct. That learning about Irish and Irish heritage is a waste of time and won’t help us out there, in Europe, on an international stage. We shower scathing remarks and hatred down on the heads of people who seize the moment and stood up for their people, because behind our disdain lies a mortal embarrassment that we didnt do more to help, that our abstention fuelled it. Any policy that even thinks of putting people first is dismissed as populist, that’s how little we think of ourselves. We are less important than money. nIt seems clear to me that the author is the one whO is struggling. it is unfair to blame Ireland for this feeling, and perhaps it is he that needs to change, after all, if we did magically think exactly how he thought we should, he would still be struggling with feelings of disconnection and seeming small in foreign land and language and with different people on the other side of the world. nnn

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    • mcbab 03/07/12 #

      Ailis. If there was a thread on here about cute fluffy kittens you would find some way to blame the government and the Brits cause the kittens were not fluffy enough! Grow up girl.

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    • The irony is, I think it’s you Mcbab, that needs to do the ‘growing up’ judging by your playground comment to that girls well written post. Whether you agree or not with her point of view is another matter.

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    • mcbab- one of these days you’ll bowlnme over with surprise when you post something of substance! I look forward to that day.

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    • JustMe 03/07/12 #

      Struggling? When there’s no money to bribe parents with child allowance money every month then you’ll know about struggling.

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    • JustMe- I can’t make head nor tail of your comment- what are you reacting to?

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    • We live in a country that since independence has had a brutal civil war,then handed power to Rome ,then to a cabal of property speculators , we have desecrated our countryside with one off housing; any TD who is found to be dishonest doubles his majority ,inefficiency and poor service are still the norm . The language will be gone in twenty years and sadly no power on earth can save it . The vehement reaction to this modest and truthful article shows how far we still have to go in terms of growing up and casting a rigorous eye on our own failings . The infinitely sad spectacle of the fans singing in the face of defeat shows how all our singing ,booziness and approachability is still seen as a wonderful virtue instead of as a smokescreen for our failings .

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    • JustMe 03/07/12 #

      In your post you mention about people struggling. That is what I am referring to.

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    • @JustMe- I realise that, but what you said seems completely out of context of what I was talking about. I never said I was struggling, never mentioned child allowance… What gives? What’s your point? nn@Paul Ringrose- right so you actually agree with much of what I said, since the examples you cite point to a nation of people who already feel bad about themselves. Where we differ I suppose, is that you think we SHOULD feel bad, since you agree with the premise of the column also. But are you a corrupt politician, have you peddled the agenda of an archaic institution such as the catholic church at the cost of another Irish persons dignity, did you sell a tinderbox of a flat to a couple with 3 kids who have since lost their jobs and been kicked out of their home because it’s about to fall down around them? Yes there is a lot to feel bad about, the humanity in us can’t help but empathise. But why then should we be told now don’t dare rise above the bar now, because you don’t matter, you are simply too small and Japanese people don’t know who Marian finucane is. nYes I know in the universal scale, none of us matter. But while we are here, what is wrong with being proud of who you are and where you’re from? respecting its history, it’s myths, it’s music and art, it’s achievements, what is wrong with that??? nThe answer is nothing. Nothing is wrong with that. And if we didn’t already feel small and downtrodden enough, we’d know this without question.nAs Irish citizens, we have a certain responsibility to create the sort of Ireland we can believe in, how do we ever get off the ground when everyone is telling us how much we dont matter?

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    • JustMe 03/07/12 #

      Ailis, I think you may have missed the point. I wasn’t referring to you personally but to the sweeping generalisation that Ireland and the Irish are struggling. People are worse off than during the Celtic Tiger days but there are still loads of new cars, new houses, shopping being done. Unemployment is high and young people are leaving in droves as always in down times, but struggling? There is so much government money available to families who chose to have children (why should my taxes pay for their lifestyle choice? Why isn’t child allowance means tested?) that to say, as you did, that people are struggling is an exaggeration.

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    • Ok JustMe, I see what you are saying. In my original post I said the author of this column is perhaps the one ‘struggling’ with feelings of being small and insignificant, and if I implied that people are struggling here, I meant purely in the way of overcoming our sense of unimportance, that we are generally not guilty of exceptionalism. nnWhat you are talking about seems another matter for another article, though as a side, I do agree that children’s allowances should be means tested.

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  • mcbab 03/07/12 #

    Good article. Yes it’s good to be proud of ourselves but we should when we travel show respect and interest in whatever country we are in. We can sometimes be like that person (we all know one!) who only wants to talk about themselves.

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  • Paul 03/07/12 #

    I have traveled and lived all over the world. In all the places I have ever been I have always been embraced for being Irish. People genuinely (in general) are a lot more aware of Ireland than say other comparable in size Western European countries (think guinness, leprechauns, U2:-(, drinking, Westlife (in Asia), fights with the neighbours and so on). I don’t believe we are exceptional, but I do believe we put ourselves out there and punch well above our weight. I am currently about to relocate to Italy and I know being Irish is something that will help me greatly getting set up and making friends. In fact the only place in the world I have ever received anything other than a lot of love for being Irish is Belfast, which really makes you think!

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  • I only speak for myself, but as a Nationalist and Gaeilgeoir I thought it was a timely and perceptive article. There is a difference between pride and neediness.

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  • “On our emigrant backs were populated both the nations of Australia and America, not to mention the great industrial cities of Liverpool, Manchester and Glasgow. In short, we’ve done pretty well.”

    We’ve done pretty well? At what?
    We’ll be doing well when we can finally stem the flow of emigration out of this country.

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    • Why would you want to?

      Many of the more rounded Irish people I’ve met are those who have lived outside their country for an appreciable period of time.

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    • That’s a non argument.

      These people aren’t leaving to embark on an Irish version of a Walkabout.They are leaving because this country has nothing to offer them.Many of the ones who returned during the alleged Celtic Tiger now regret coming back.
      There is nothing celebratory about the successive generations of Irish people who have felt compelled to leave their country.

      On a side note,i find the positive reference of Irish emigration to Glasgow particularly unfortunate.That’s been an absolute disaster.

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    • Damocles 03/07/12 #

      When they return they continue to be more rounded and contribute more significantly to their own society.

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    • censored 03/07/12 #

      More well-rounded? Yeah, you can see the impact of that on Irish society and politics alright.

      Listen Damocles, don’t be fooled by Noonan. Emigration has been a tragedy and a curse on Ireland. We would be far better off if our people were able to stick around and help build this country instead of being forced to foreign shores. It’s not a gap year trip we’re talking about here.

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  • Great piece. although you have fallen into the trap that most people in ireland do and forget we also have a Nobel prize in physics. Ernest Walton for spliting the atom and arguable starting the era of Nuclear power, bombs and medicine

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  • I think it was a good article. Irish people do have an overinflated sense of pride, especially considering what we’ve done to our country over the past few years. I agree that we should be proud of our part achievements but we also need to recognise that they were few and far between. Several people have said that we are an insignificant island but I doubt they are doing anything to rectify that. It’s the typical Irish attitude “I’ll complain but I won’t do anything productive and if someone else does try do better themselves or this country I’ll put them down a peg or two”

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    • focusfan 04/07/12 #

      The traits of slyness and cunning which severed us so well during imperial rule have had a destructive impact when we used these traits against each other let’s face it we are not straight we always telling stories

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  • Great article Mark. We need more thinking heads in Ire-land, rather than talking heads. Would recommend Desmond Fennell’s article in Irish Times yesterday. Sick of the Irish love of misery. We need to get over ourselves or we will get left behind. More forward thinking, less 1950s shite.

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  • Who cares? I don’t. I am Irish and all I care about is if as I country it provides a good quality of life for all it’s citizens and a future for its children. A fail on both counts. Spare me the punching above its weight stuff please!

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  • This article seems a classic case of th’dreaded “Irish begrudegery”. I mean, it’s a miserable au’fella saying “How dare you think you’re special! Back in your box!” Wrapped up in a rather superficial & cursory look at our history. I mean, while accepting that you only had a certain amount of space, if you’re gonna create such a broad (& deeply offensive) sweeping premise, one would hope for a little mote than pseudo-intellectualism.
    Your argument is that Irish people are somehow particularly proud of their history & culture, & seek to pass both a moral & arithmetical judgement on this. Somehow, our pride in our heritage & historical achievements is not only quantifiably greater than that of, say e.g. Japan, & this is quantifiably a bad thing.
    Gimme a break!
    That my Grandfather is proud of my family’s role in defeating the world then superpower or that my Mother is a proud gaeilgeor (& can probably even spell it, unlike me!) Or that I’m proud of my heritage doesn’t make me some sort of deluded Irish version of Newt Gingrich, dismissing American exceptionalism to replace it with Irish… Begrudegery. Be gone!

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    • Exactly what I was thinking. I knew once the crowd sang us out of the euros that journalists like this would latch onto it for a raft of who-do-we-think-we-are articles. Lazy journalism. After all the hammering we’ve taken over the last few years, it feels like these journalists simply cannot stand us to feel proud of ourselves for anything, perpetuating the doom and gloom at every possible opportunity. Every countrys citizens are entitled to feel proud of themselves sometimes, just bloody let us would ya.

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    • I can see where he s coming from.worked in new York 23 years ago and always got vacant looks from taxi drivers co workers and even some wealthy up state new Yorkers when mentioning that I came from Ireland.”oh is that near London” was a typical good response. Just thought then that they were missing from their geography class but after a while got used to the idea that everyone knows us. But sure it’s grand as long as we re recognised for the right reasons by those who matter .

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    • Ehhh yeah, whatever he said!!

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    • Maybe his students wrote it?

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  • Oh my, what a negative piece. In my opinion this is a condescending article aimed at the Irish at home and abroad who are proud of their Irishness, how we conduct ourselves and how we are percieved. We need at this time leaders and influencers who will encourage and motivate our people, not trod on them and give them this inferior notion of themselves. For too long this unfortunately has been one of our not so good traits; this begrudging and miserable attitude to put people in their places for fear they would get ahead of themselves. No offence personally but from reading your article, it is probably no harm you are in Japan as it is one less miserable sod here to contend with. We need positive, dynamic and strong personalities here to get us through these times.
    And ‘you’ll never beat the Irish’ is not meant to be taken literally. Its the Irish spirit that will not be beat. I for one, will never give up on my country. I am not deluded, for I know that there are many problems and that we must face and we have made many mistakes along the way. But I have that Irish spirit that I am thankful for, and I know many more of my fellow Irish brethren have it too. I know, that we will prevail and that Irish spirit will never be beat!

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  • As long as we continue not to question the fundamental policies,ideologies and people/organisations directing Irelands/EU economy and social policy we are in trouble.
    Microsoft pays a few million in tax here(80-90M) but yet can send billions back to the states and its widely accepted as nothing less than a miracle that they continue to stay here..
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/business/microsoft-profits-soar-to-euro800m-118753.html.

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  • I have been abroad plenty of times and to be honest most foreigners could not tell you where Ireland is on the map. We are such a small and insignificant country in the scheme of things and to be honest i think we blow our own trumpets too much,yes we have our history and great poets etc but go to the likes of Italy or other Med countries this all pales in signifance.

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  • Excellent Journal. I really enjoyed it thanks for sharing

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  • SeanR 03/07/12 #

    Japan is a much more populated country, has a bigger economy and has been around as a country for centuries. I can’t think of one famous Japanese person much less identify one from a line up of photos. Once in a Tokyo bar a guy asked me where I was from. When I said Ireland, he said “ah yes, boom, boom”. My colleague said England and the guy stared at him blankly.

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  • HI yes after living every ex pats dream i returned home to ireland after many years in (to quote above) effing japan! lol haha…
    anyway after virtually being brainwashed into it’s societal and linguistic ways dominating my total human living experience …i now come back and find all that remains is the tiny small print of a word ” Tokyo” on the weather pages of reams of countless english language newspapers lying about, channel number 507 on the 1000 channel Sky digibox and the the dictionary on the floor in my room… funny that, like it could all have been but a dream…were it not for the language now etched firmly into my heart and mind forever…thankfully i took away the best souvenir a person can take from a foreign country… and if it wasn’t for my studious watching of you tube and yahoo japan etc i would be none the wiser to the existence of any of it’s news stories…anyone know about Ozawa and the tax consumption bill over there? or the Aum Shin ru Kyo developments that have been dominating the summer headlines? no didn’t think so..how could we over here on RTE?? it’s amazing how insular all our nations and islands truly are ..but anyway prepare for this weird micro inversion of your living reality on your return that i am now going thru, reduced from it being your everything.. and by the way don’t expect any great shakes from rural Japan! it can be even more backward and paddy than we are ! i sadly found out! … particularly about foreign english languages and people too but that’s a whole other story ! just listen into a few japanese conversations and you should pick up fairly quickly!…Of course we all know the BIG Headline stories like KAGAWA Man U and FUKUSHIMA DAI ICHI etc these things permeate globally similarly like disasters for us THE TROUBLES in the NORTH and similarly sporting stars like ROY KEANE etc ..these are the only stories of global exchange i guess..anyway ariagtou gozaimashita and odaijini! by the way hows the weather over there? rainy season again huh..mushi atsui ne! well you be glad to know it’s the same out here in The Far West ! RAINY Season but cold!! only difference is the temperature after all kana…jya ne !yoroshiku!

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    • JustMe 03/07/12 #

      Have a look at NHK television for a taste of Japan and a non-Eurocentric view of events.

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    • hi yes i watched it for the last 5 years, thats why i watch NHK World channel 507 now. my only eye on the outside world was CNN which i got on cable. BS, Asahi, TV Tokyo, FNN etc are all great to as is Fuji et al, and BS ..EL Mundo, Every, News watch 9 ,i used to watch news 7 religiuosly!

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  • U live in effing Japan. Who cares if they know nothing about us. Idiotic and needless article….

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  • The Irish a great bunch of lads!

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  • Daniel R 03/07/12 #

    I think we’re exceptional in the way we handle downturns, partly because of the way we were treated for hundreds of years that now we just think what’s the worst they can do to us. Also I think it’s in our mentality to say “fug it” when the game is up. I think we’re one of the few countries that never had a lot of money until the recent Celtic tiger RIP and we realise that we were probably happier because of it. I wouldn’t be surprised if the phrase ‘Not the end of the world’ originated here. I think the Irishman’s philosophy neatly sums it up

    There are only two things to worry about:
    Either you are well or you are sick.

    If you are sick,
    Then there are only two things to worry about:
    Either you will get well or you will die.

    If you get well,
    Then there are only two things to worry about:
    Either you will go to heaven or hell.

    If you go to heaven, there is nothing to worry about.

    But if you go to hell,
    You’ll be so damn busy shaking hands with friends
    You won’t have time to worry!

    Why worry?

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  • Sentiments of belonging to a country of one sort or another are increasingly irrelevant. The world is much smaller now than it once was, and it is controlled my money and corporate interests more than governments. The nation state as we know it is less than 500 years old and may well disappear in the future. Ireland has it’s good points and bad points, the national character does tend to self delusion however. Being Irish is just an accident of birth, it seems ridiculous to claim some sort of kudos for the achievements of others who happen to share that fate. Bono and Mary Robinson aren’t connected to me or influence my day to day life nearly so much as corrupt Irish politicians and businessmen (for example).

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  • I don’t really get the point you’re trying to make! I don’t see how being proud of where you are from could “embarrass us internationally at a time when we can ill-afford it.”
    I think using Japan as an example is not the best because Japanese people know of two different sets of people…Japanese people and foreign people! I’ve been living here 6 months now. They all know who Robbie Keane and Roy Keane are, but apart from that, not too many other Irish people!
    To be fair though, how many Irish people would be able to name famous Japanese people? All the football fans would know Shinsuke Nakamura and now Kagawa as he has joined United, but apart from these two, oh and Mr Miyagi, it would be pretty limited! Different language and culture, and not to mention both being a few thousand miles away limits the familiarity for both!

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  • Great article

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  • Very nice article, I liked it and told it as it is…. I always felt that Ireland is very special and I am SURE that this recession is hard on many but Ireland is one of the country who will come out best of the collapse. They are never afraid to change if things go wrong and they KNOW how to deal with hardship so they are not afraid! Good article and finally LET US FOCUS ON THE SMALL BUT MANY SMALL THINGS WHICH ARE THE IMPORTANT ONES ANYWAY AND IRELAND HAS THAT IN ITS BLOOD!!!! <3

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  • Ed: Four Nobel Peace Prize winners by my estimation: Betty Williams, Mairead Corrigan, John Hume and David Trimble.

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  • ETERNAL VIGILANCE IS THE PRICE OF FREEDOM.THE IRISH TO A LARGE PART SEEM TO HAVE TAKEN MYTHS AND OPINION AS FACTS. THE ADDS FOR THE LOTTO, TV LICENCE, 3E, IE, JOXER GOES TO POZNAN, ARE A DEPRESSING TAKE ON ASSUMED MASS STUPIDITY. ALL GOVERNMENT RELATED. ON THE OTHER HAND, NO ONE EVER WENT BUST BY OVER ESTIMATING HUMAN STUPIDITY

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  • You’ll never beat the Irish. A trip into any town in Ireland late at night on the weekends and you will see there is no need to fight the Irish – they are killing themselves. Most are out cold on the street in a heap with no chance of standing up for themselves. And our kids ate not much better. Not too many Chineese, Muslins, Protestants, humanists, or any other ethnic group just the good old catholic Irish idiots.

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  • sorry i meant at the start- “living every ex pats/emigrants dream, living and coming back home to Ireland!”

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