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Reply: Our parliamentary process is open and accessible

Mark Mulqueen, Head of Communication in the Houses of the Oireachtas, writes.

Mark Mulqueen

WRITING IN THEJOURNAL.IE yesterday, Sarah O’Neill of Dáilwatch.ie said that while debate arounds TDs’ expenses is welcome, it should be just one part of a larger conversation around transparency in Irish politics in general.

You can read O’Neill’s full article here.

Today, Mark Mulqueen, Head of Communications in the Houses of the Oireachtas, replies:

TO BE CLEAR, the call for an independent body to determine the pay and allowances provided to those we elect to our national parliament was proposed by Kieran Coughlan, Secretary General of the Houses of the Oireachtas. He did so at a recent Houses of the Oireachtas Public Accounts Committee meeting.

In an article on www.thejournal.ie Sarah O’Neill joined others in repeating the call as part of a wider series of comments about the resourcing of the Irish parliamentary system.

Sarah makes many of the progressive comments we have heard before. She says, “This debate around TDs’ expenses should become part of a larger conversation around transparency in Irish politics in general, rather than simply a weapon with which to attack our political representatives”. Indeed. Unfortunately, by ascribing a simplistic and wholly negative headline to Sarah’s article, TheJournal.ie could not resist doing the very thing she called on the media to desist from doing!

By the by, we are obviously not so good at being secretive when one considers that details of all Oireachtas salaries and allowances are published on the Oireachtas website here.

In fact, a headline like “Secrecy around TDs’ expenses is typical of Irish political culture” is actually more typical of Irish political commentary. It is about as intelligent and useful to any meaningful conversation as the old canard ‘they are all in it for themselves’. Neither slogan is true despite how often they are inferred and implied to by our public commentators.

Sarah goes on to observe that “the secrecy around politicians’ allowances is indicative of a broader, national acceptance of the inaccessibility of government affairs and perpetuates the notion that Oireachtas business is a distant practice, inconsequential to the everyday lives of ordinary citizens”. Another baseless if populist comment.

Of course the intermixing of government affairs with parliamentary affairs is a common fault of Irish commentators but it doesn’t excuse the fact that the level of public engagement with the Irish political and parliamentary process is actually quite high. If Oireachtas business were actually a “distant practice, inconsequential to the everyday lives of ordinary citizens”, the national media wouldn’t be encamped in Leinster House day after day pumping out hours of commentary about what happens in it. The fact is that Irish people are renowned for their high level of interest and participation in politics. Moreover, those whose job it is to sell newspapers and the advertising that sustains the media, know this. This is why so much space in our media focuses on parliament and politics. (Note how slender the newspapers are in the weeks when the Dáil isn’t sitting.)

In fact I would go further and argue that Irish people know very, very well how consequential to their lives the business of the Oireachtas is. This is why national protests are made at the gates of our national parliament and not somewhere else; this why we are constantly serving the demand from the public and public interest groups to access Leinster House; this is why we have 100,000 visitors every year and this why our parliamentary committees spend a huge amount of time meeting and engaging with the widest possible representation of public groups and bodies.

You probably won’t read it in a newspaper or hear it said on the radio or TV, but our parliamentary process is very open and accessible. Not only can every one of us both watch every minute of Oireachtas business live and read the record of the parliament on-line, citizens are also constantly invited to contribute to the Oireachtas business directly via the committee system. Far from being secretive, every aspect of Oireachtas business is in public, it is accessible and it’s actually participative.

There is great public frustration and anger abroad. This should not be taken as a license for some to simplify public scrutiny of the political process or to debase public discourse to a negative, one-dimensional portrayal of our parliament and the role of its members. That’s not in the public interest.

(Note from Susan Daly, TheJournal.ie editor:

There was also a subhead on Ms O’Neill’s article which expanded on the issue. It read: “Yes, expenses need reform – but we need a larger conversation too.”

On the subject of transparency on political expenses, the Oireachtas website does list the amounts claimed by each TD and senator and what each is entitled to at every grade of the political spectrum. However, the lack of breakdown of the spends, the practice of unvouched expenses and the need to invoke the Freedom of Information Act – which is not yet a free service – to get further clarity in some cases does not make it as transparent as it could be. This, in effect, is why PAC – as advised by the SG of the Houses of the Oireachtas, as Mr Mulqueen points out – recommends that “all expenses incurred should be fully vouched and receipted”.

It is appreciated that the business of the Houses has been opened up to the general public via online livestreams and public meetings, but it is not the case the whole of political life in Ireland is open to the public, which is why I believe the headline on Ms O’Neill’s article to be relevant.

She argues that the lack of transparency in the breakdown of how expenses are incurred and the public (and yes, media) interest in that issue reinforces, rightly or wrongly, the perception that political discourse as a whole is not entirely accessible to the man or woman on the street. Relevant, yes, but something which they feel they have an influence on past the results of a general election? No. That, I would think, is why people resort to taking a protest to outside the gates of Leinster House.

On a positive note, addressing failings in the expenses regime which – noted – falls under the remit of a Government department rather than Oireachtas business, will surely only help to improve the public’s relationship and interaction with political culture as a whole.

Incidentally, TheJournal.ie publishes a daily Oireachtas agenda which – thanks to information available from Oireachtas.ie – highlights what is happening in the Houses on a given day, and shows how to access livestreams.)

Previously: Column – Secrecy around TDs’ expenses is typical of Irish political culture, by Sarah O’Neill>

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Comments (20 Comments)

  • What about unvouched expenses??

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  • So Mark can you shed any light on the question of the 13 ministers and if they are claiming a tax rebate on a second house? Or possibly give details on who’s laundry is being paid for by the tax payer?

    Openness and transparency means direct debate on the issues of the day not set times to listen to pre-written scripts provided by public servants to ministers and then 2 minutes for the questioner to respond. The Dail is not fit for purpose currently as it provides no useful platform for the opposition or even a government back bencher to question and interrogate ministers actions. Witness the farce over minister Reilly the question on how and what method he used to select 2 primary care centres has never been answered. Mr. Kenny is also very adept in refusing to answer questions as well. What point having a parliament if those in government don’t answer the questions?

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    • Do our Councils have expenses too? What about the Limited Companies they set up which they say are separate legal entities but totally paid for by the Taxpayer. A Non-Elected Council within an Elected Council but a Limited Company owned by the Council. If this makes sense to anyone could you please explain it to me? The Council won’t.

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    • Kerry – just on the issue of political salary and expenses, industry professionals who work 60 hours plus a week, with little free time and lots of travel get paid well, otherwise they don’t do it – that is part of the capitalist system. Politicians, regardless of how capable we judge them to be, can often work similar and longer hours.

      I have more of an issue with the unelected civil servants who earn equally large amounts, with large pensions and little recourse if they fail to carry out their function. At least we can boot the politicians out of office and stand ourselves if we think we’re good enough.

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    • Still too many of them

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  • I’m not sure that an editor’s note longer than the article was necessary.

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  • Thank you for your response, engaging in the issue and giving your perspective.
    At dailwatch.ie our main aim is to facilitate such discussions about the Irish political system, increase transparency and aid the collective understanding of the realities.

    The intention of the article was to recognize the PAC’s recommendations as positive and necessary but long overdue and part of a wider need for reform.

    If Irish citizens felt they had a forum to voice their concerns and the ability to meaningfully participate in the decision-making process other than at election time, there would be no protesting outside Leinster House. According to the most recent Edelman Trust Barometer only 10% of Irish citizens believe that the government is listening to citizen’s needs and feedback. This is a stark statistic.
    Protest is an expression of frustration and shouldn’t be noted as an indication of the government’s relevance to citizens’ lives.

    The Houses of the Oireachtas website does not provide a breakdown of how each Members’ allowance is spent. Citizens deserve to know exactly how this money was allocated and in line with standard business practice, all TDs and Senators should provide receipts for their expenses. This was recommended by the Committee and my article was commending this proposal as progressive and necessary. Without this information, the subject becomes hearsay and contributes to a more distrustful political environment.
    ‘Baseless’, ‘populist’ political commentary can only be avoided within a transparent, accountable system.

    Indeed, I am aware that all business of the Houses of the Oireachtas is viewable live and that the entire Dáil record is online. This is an extremely important service that the Houses provide but it does not necessarily mean that Oireachtas business is accessible. Although the information is up there, it can be difficult for the average user to navigate through, and as Ms Daly of the Journal.ie said, Irish politics does not begin and end in the chambers of Dáil Éireann.

    As you acknowledge, there is great public frustration and anger in Ireland today and the only way to turn this around is to rebuild trust between citizens and their representatives. To re-build trust, we need to have a more transparent and accountable system.

    I appreciate your response, this level of engagement between citizens and the Houses is necessary if the system is to be meaningfully reformed. My article was not simplifying the political process but commending the progress and recognizing its importance as a step in the right direction.

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  • Can I get a transcript of the meetings held in government buildings between our Taoiseach, Minister for Finance, Dept of Finance officials and Banking officials, on the night of the Banking guarantee, then?
    Thanks in advance,
    Bob.

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  • “they are all in it for themselves”
    you get elected as a legislator. you spend your time in the dail looking after local issues to ensure your re-election.
    you neglect your duties to the state, then it’s re-election time. all aboard the gravy train again!

    every single td, including Edna, is convinced that they earn every cent they get. most keep it, some use it to help their re-election by giving some of it to local charities.
    Bottom line is, 99% of them are only in it for themselves.

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  • I would love to see a egovernment system like the uk were people can sign an create and sign an official government petition and if it reaches a number make eligible for debate by the government

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  • ‘Oh no we don’t’ ,well it is pantomime season !

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  • this transparency the oireachtas PR man talks of http://www.thejournal.ie/tds-vote-abortion-legislation-694550-Nov2012/#comment-761412 when thejournal journalists struggle to find out who was paired with who when for a vote, things like this should be publihsed automatically by oireachtas

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  • Yes, But as useful as a Holed Bucket!

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  • Séamus 09/12/12 #

    Nice pic

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  • I have just received the answer to this Question from a Dublin City Councillor in relation to the disposal of Land beside my home without Consultation.
    Question
    Is this Public Land as in owned by the Citizens of Ireland?
    Is it Council Land as in owned by Temporary elected councillors to do with as they please without public consultation with those affected by their decisions?
    Is it Land owned by Ballymun Regeneration Limited to do with as they please without public consultation with those affected by their decisions?
    And the winner is Number 2.
    It is Council Land as in owned by Temporary elected councillors to do with as they please without public consultation with those affected by their decisions.

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  • There is also the issue of what i refer to as the Gag order on Ballymun. Do Not Say anything Negative about Ballymun. The Media Stick to this to this Day. While no area should be subjected to Negative publicity just because it is a Particulars Area. This Gag Order Stops People like myself getting answers as to what the €700 to €900 Million is being spent on. The Quality of the New Houses and Apartments. The Narrow Roads, lack of amenities and so on.
    I have asked the City Manager and Ballymun Regeneration Limited for access to the Details of how public Land was disposed of beside My Home without Consultation. Ballymun Regeneration gave No Reply and the City Manager referred me to their Freedom of Information Department. I sent in the Request with My Money and have just received a reply to state that it will be dealt with by Their Limited Company Ballymun Regeneration Limited.
    Should I be Angry?

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  • The debate around pay and expenses needs to be right out in the open ,for anyone drawing a state paycheck ,I was just censored for saying Mark McQueens salary and wishing him luck in his new job maybe a little sarcastically ,I was just trying to get the author into the debate among the comments.the head of communications should surely want to engage with the public,you know,communicate!

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