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Column: The Seanad must be a real balance to Government power

Legislation is not being properly vetted because the Government can simply force it through, writes Senator Katherine Zappone.

Senator Katherine Zappone

SENATORS STARTED receiving large numbers of e-mails shortly after the 2013 Budget Speech was delivered. These e-mails, from people all over the country, asked us to intervene. They pointed out the flaws in the Social Welfare Bill 2012 and that challenged us to vote against it. The public, rightly so, were looking for a political system of ‘checks and balances’ that works. It is, after all, one of the key functions of the Seanad in a country like this.

So my group of Independent Senators (those nominated by the Taoiseach) examined the Bill, particularly in light of Government claims that the budget was ‘fair’ and ‘progressive’, and we found it wanting on three fronts. It was wrong to cut the respite care grant, wrong to reduce child benefit in such a way that it would disproportionately affect low-income households and wrong to give powers to the Department of Social Protection that could push people into destitution when the government recovered overpayments from social welfare recipients.

We put forward amendments to correct these wrongs. If Government is making a genuine mistake, misjudging the needs of the people, the Seanad must do its duty and point this out.

When the debate ensued at Committee stage the Seanad was not given enough time to debate all amendments put forward by the Opposition and Independents therefore we voted in unison against the Government. Our goal was to make sure that at the next opportunity, what’s known as the “Report Stage”, we would have time to debate the amendments properly.

Disturbing

The Government won the vote, but only by three. However, the next day the Cathaoirleach ruled all of our amendments out of order at Report stage – meaning we could not debate them again. This was particularly disturbing given the rationale provided for ruling them out of order– that they would cause a charge to the Exchequer. A rationale that could have been applied earlier in the process, at the Committee Stage, but was not. It seemed that we would be allowed to discuss the problems with the Bill only in circumstances where we could not properly air the issues. Once we manoeuvred for more time to debate the Bill properly, we were shut down.

Article 43 of the Irish Constitution says that if the Seanad does not pass a bill, it is sent back to the Dáil for review. The Dáil can then either amend the bill or must pass a further resolution to enact the bill into law (usually within a period of 180 days). This power of the Seanad would require the Government and Dáil members to review the controversial aspects of the Bill again.

That was our ultimate goal – to force the Government to take a second look, to consider the points we’d raised and to decide their course of action only after due consideration. But even with so many of us that might be expected to follow “party lines” choosing not to – the Government still had a majority.

Friends and relatives

Right now, it is all about some straightforward maths. Armed with a substantial majoritiy in the Dáil the Government parties can and will pass whatever legislation they believe is needed.

That means some legislation that really should be looked at again will not be.

Yet this is precisely the time when we need the Seanad to vet legislation to try to make sure that it does not have unintended and lethal consequences for our weakest and most vulnerable. That phrase has been so over-used, particularly in the run up to the Budget that it has lost meaning. Our weakest and most vulnerable are may be our relatives and friends. Anyone we know who is without a job, who has a disability (whether temporary or permanent), those dealing with mental health problems and the many that find themselves poor for the first time or who have been trapped in poverty their entire lives. Those are the weakest and most vulnerable and they are measured in hundreds of thousands.

And democracy is failing them.

Having a situation where the Seanad’s membership is controlled by the parties that wins most seats in the General Election just means it is an extension of the Dáil.

It should not be. It was not intended to be. We need to fix that now. By reforming the Seanad rather than abolishing it we could have a system of checks and balances that works.

This is why the Seanad Reform Group, of which I am a member, has put forward proposals for radical Seanad reform.

Nominations

What my colleagues and I have suggested is (1) that nominations for Seanad membership should come from a much wider representation of Irish society. As it stands now, just 101 organisations are registered to nominate candidates to the five Seanad panels. We think there should be more. For example, let’s consider the Administrative and Voluntary panel with 14 nominating bodies, one of which, People with Disabilities Ireland, has had its funding removed. That leaves 13 organisations (including, unusually, two representing deaf people) nominating on behalf of every voluntary group in the country as well as representing those responsible for administration.

The second thing we’d like to do is get rid of the sub-panels of Oireachtas members who can nominate candidates. There are already 11 members effectively chosen directly by the Oireachtas, we hardly need any more.

But the most significant issue has to be who gets to vote. Analysis of the 2007 Seanad Election (the most recent we could find data on) showed that a total of 1,096 people were allowed to vote to choose the members of the five panels. Of those, it was estimated that their party affiliations were as follows:

Fianna Fail: 406
Fine Gael:  353
Labour: 125
Independent: 100
Sinn Fein: 58
Progressive Democrats: 26
Green Party: 24
Socialist Party: 4
Workers’ Party: 2
South Kerry Independent Alliance: 1

So 884 out of 1096 were from the three largest parties – in and of itself, a significant majority. All were political in some form or other. We think that every citizen should have a right to vote for Seanad candidates from the five panels, ‘one person one vote’ – so that 43 seats of the Seanad will be directly elected by the people.

Senator Feargal Quinn and I will be bringing forward legislation early this year to make this idea a reality. And that’s one of the other advantages of this approach; there is no need for a referendum. In fact, the goal here is not to change the constitutional underpinning of the Seanad at all, but to allow it to be opened up to the excluded, to provide the balance that our Government and its huge majority require and to give it back to each citizen.

Senator Katherine Zappone is an independent member of the Seanad.

Senator Katherine Zappone, Senator Fiach McConghail and Senator Jillian Van Turnhout will hold a meeting of civil society and arts organisations on February 7, giving details on Seanad reform and how organisations can apply to become a nominating body. For full details see here.

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Comments (33 Comments)

  • Sorry Katherine, unless it’s directly elected by the people of Ireland it is just an expensive talking shop. Have elections at the same time as we elect the president.

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    • “The Seanad must be a real balance to Government power”

      Says an appointee who dutifully votes with the government.

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    • Not sure you that would work Pierce as you would just get a smaller version of the Dail in which case it would serve not function.

      The best idea is to try and get a system in place where experts from various sectors (academia, economy, NGOs, citizens groups) with diverse views can debate, argue and vote on legislation without having to worry or concern themselves with what “their” electorate think.

      In Ireland we do very little politics by policy – we need more. It amazes me to look back and reflect on when the Maastricht Treaty was being debated the issue were; neutrality and abortion and literally not a word about a single currency.

      If we had a decent second house what would have happened is that some of the smarter ones might have gone “hang on what are the implications of this single currency” and changed the entire debate and perhaps policy following.

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  • The Senate is beyond a joke – jobs for the boys and failed politicians.

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  • Imagine a senator wanting to keep her job who would have thought

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  • They had their chances over the years and have proven to the electorate that they have no intention of standing up.
    We do need a second house that will keep any future governments in check but they should be elected by the people and be chosen on track record of work and honesty and from all parties.

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    • The Taoiseach, and thus the government, is elected by the Dail and the Dail is directly elected by the people. What difference would it make if the Seanad was directly elected? It would be the same public who picked the TDs. How would your suggestion lead to government being held more to account? Genuinely curious.

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  • Catherine Zappone has just written an article that describes just how useless the Seanad is and why it should be abolished. Pointless, expensive, undemocratic.

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  • Too late. Scrap the Seanad. It serves no purpose other than lining the pockets of Greedy Politicians

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  • With the greatest of respect the senate has had years to cop in and clean up its act. It’s now too late I’d imagine the days are numbered people realise that we can’t afford this luxury club for the elite I for one and anyone I’ve spoken to will be looking to have it done away with. Use the saved money to help community projects or the elderly.

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  • Hmm. So the suggestion is to basically replace a lot of worthies appointed by government with a lot of worthies from representative organisations and NGOs.

    No thanks. Plenty more worthwhile areas to spend the money. The attorney general, courts and president already vet legislation.

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    • My thoughts exactly – People with Disabilities Ireland which Katherine Zappone mentions above. What she conveniently omits is that up until the end of 2011, when the funding was pulled, PwDI was in receipt of almost e1 million per year. The majority of this was spent on salaries, rent and admin costs and didn’t go anywhere near the majority of people it was intended to support.
      The HSE recently conducted an audit of some service providers in the Southern region, and large organisations like the Cope Foundation and Irish Wheelchair Association were found to have significant funds in their bank accounts, while frontline services are being cut. The thought of the “worthies” from the NGO and “voluntary” sector being granted even more power is seriously frightening.

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    • Yep. Remember Mary Davis? She trousered a rather handsome shilling from sitting on loads of these.

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  • A publicly funded radio station with no music. They do have a great selection of opinion pieces.

    Loved the article though, especially enjoyed the bit where the writer mentioned something about a system of checks and balances that works. Checks, balances and works in the same sentence, from an Irish political representative.

    After the next election, check in with Brendan Howlin, he will most likely be at a bit of a loose end and should be available for a small fee to consult on that checks and balances Committee, inquiry, Board or whatever.

    If all else fails you can submit this article for a Nebula award, they love this kind of stuff.

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  • No no no. The Seanad has had years to reform but the members couldn’t be bothered. Now it’s about to become extinct we get articles like pleading for a stay of execution.

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  • Also, please tell me how a shoe-in from The Cross Border Intergovernmental Committee For Gender Theory in Sub Saharan Africa is going to be any better than what’s there already?

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  • We need something similar to the first Seanad, made up of non-partisan, independent experts who can review and propose Bills with the common good of the people at the centre of the debate. Extending the franchise to all citizens qualified to vote in the Dáil, increasing the number of nominating bodies (as pointed out by Sen. Zappone) and eliminating the Constitutional Provision for Taoiseach’s appointees would go a long way in this regard. The powers of the Seanad should also be altered (only in conjunction with the above however) to give greater oversight powers to the Upper House in terms of Governmental Bills and Appointments as well as European Legislation. Open it, don’t close it.

    At a cost of some €8.2mn P.A. a year, it could be a cost effective way, given only minute constitutional changes, to get some real political oversight into the Oireachtas. The case of abolition is based on a fallacy that it would save money. The Government is paying for “Special Advisers” and External Consultants to give their expert opinion when there exists a chamber that could democratically elect same expertise and give them some constitutional powers.

    The calls for Seanad abolition is a smoke screen for a further centralization of power to the Cabinet and a removal of any threat of oversight into what they do. I hope the people see through this.

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  • I agree with Katherine by and large and want to see the Seanad reformed, not abolished. Parlimentary systems worldwide operate better when there is two houses to parliment to provide checks and balances. The House of Lords polices the House of Commons, the House of Representatives police Congress and so on right throughout the western world.

    Our problem is that the powers that be have moulded into what Katherine describes as “an extension of the Dail” where the largest party has ultimate control. Instead it needs to be a true check and balance on the Dail. The TD’s would love to see the Seanad abolished because then they can point the public to their ‘political reform’. But instead what they’ll have done is pulled a three card trick and eroded our democracy even further.

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    • Nothing has ever or will ever police politicians in Ireland. These individuals are covered every which way by legislative instruments designed specifically to insulate, obfuscate and enrich the incumbent. The rest of the world may work well enough with two houses, however where Ireland is concerned the less houses you give them the better as these happy campers are an extraordinarily expensive lot when compared to their friends and neighbors elsewhere.

      One house alone has effectively sent us completely broke and lets face it, the Seanad doesn’t really count as a house, it’s more along the lines of a garden shed full of rusty old tools and rubbish bags bursting at the seams.

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  • I totally agree with the headline.

    However the problem is that the Seanad is not elected equally by all citizens of Ireland.

    The last time I looked my passport said “Citizen” and the following is stated in the constitution;
    Article 40
    1. All citizens shall, as human persons, be held equal before the law.

    But then again we all know Government has nothing to do with the law, so that is why I fully expect the failed trachers leading our current Government to abolish the Seanad.

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    • What has that constructional provision and what’s on your passport got to do with the Seanad? Piss poor point.

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    • Alan

      Have you read the constitution regarding The Seanad? I guess not from your comment. So I will try to make it simple for you.

      Only a select few in Irish Society are allowed to cast a vote for Seanad “Elections”, some even get to vote more than once. Even then the Government of the day can appoint members to The Seanad.

      So the point I was making( for the slow among us) is that even though Article 40 of the constitution states “All citizens shall, as human persons, be held EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW”, Article’s 18 & 19 which cover Seanad Éireann, excludes vast numbers of citizens from having a vote. Therefore the people who do not have a vote in Seanad elections are NOT TREATED EQUAL.

      In other words, under Law everybody must be treated equal, but equality does apply when dealing with The Government.

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    • Alan

      Forgot to add the front of my passport says “citizen of Ireland”.

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    • Yes I read your comment and understood what you’re getting at the first time. What is your point though, are you criticising the constitution? Or are you saying the Seanad is repugnant to the constitution, the very document that gives rise to it?

      Also what that part of the constitution says is that all citizens shall be held equal before law. What has “before law” got to do with Seanad elections? Are you aggrieved, on that basis, that you don’t have a say in how the Taoiseach is selected because only TDs can vote on that?

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    • Alan

      I thank you very deepley for proving that Irish Governemnt has nothing to do with he law.

      Did you noticed I used the phrase “election” when talking about how the Seanad is put together? This beause in the case of the Seanad we have is not elected within the true meaning of election.

      I have no problem with openly and freely elected members of Leinster house electing anybody. I have a problem with these elected people appointing people to political positions.

      The fact that I have no say in the “election” process for the Seanad while the elected members of Leinster can appoint whom they want. Some of the people they appoint have actually run for election to Leinster House and been rejected by the voting citizens. This very undemocratic appointment is the problem.

      Again thank you for proving that Government has nothing to do with the law and for proving it has nothing to do with being democratic. For if it was democratic all citizens would be treated equally and be allowed to vote in Seanad elections.

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  • I am 100% in agreement with the views expressed by Senator Zappone. The present Government has the majority it has simply because of the massive protest vote against Fianna Fail at the last General Election. There was no realistic alternative candidate choice for disaffected FF voters to make, other than individuals from within the FG and Labour grouping. There were a number of prospectively good independent candidates but not sufficient to make a difference. It is a truism that absolute power corrupts absolutely. It is also true that the mechanism of the Guillotine is used by Governments to stifle debate on likely continuous issues and get associated unpopular legislation quickly into law. If we are ever to be a proper Republic we, the people, urgently need some counterbalance (like a properly functioning and meaningful Seanad) to ensure that all legislation being formulated in our name gets an appropriate airing in the full Houses of the Oireachtas.

    As far as the current Government is concerned, It is clearly a case of a small Labour tail wagging on the tail end of a large Fine Gale Dog, such is the disproportional power inherent within the present majority. It is an insufficiently balanced coalition. Typically one would expect coalition to ensure that the likely excesses of either side in a shared Government may be tempered by the presence of the other party or parties. However, this is definitely not the case at present where political arrogance seems to be more the order of the day.

    Roll on the next General Election.

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