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Column: Domestic violence is an issue we’re encouraged not to think about in Ireland

Following the horrendous Magdalene revelations, can we continue to pretend to ourselves that abuses aren’t happening right here and now in our society and in our homes, asks Paula McGovern.

Paula McGovern

IN THE AFTERMATH of the Magdalene report last week there followed an outcry of questions – how could this have happened? Who let this happen? What’s wrong with society, the state, that people could be abused and yet nothing was done to help? Is it the fault of institutions that allow abuse to happen or do we all have a part to play? One commentator wondered what other abuses are going on right now that we are pretending to ourselves isn’t happening.

The reality is that male violence is the primary cause of death of women aged 15-44. Women worldwide are more likely to die or be maimed because of male violence than because of cancer, malaria, war and traffic accidents combined. Of the female murders in Ireland since 1996, half of the resolved cases were committed by a husband, ex-husband, partner or ex-partner.

Social systems

The issue of domestic violence is virtually invisible in Ireland and we lag far behind other western countries in how we deal with it in our social systems. It’s not even enough to say that it is hidden here – it is an issue we are actively encouraged not to think about. In Ireland domestic violence is not listed as a cause of homelessness, which means that women struggle to get housing places even if their lives are severely at risk. Domestic violence is not recorded within gardaí/HSE protocols as a form of abuse which means it can get hidden under an anti-social issue or similar. Both of these factors means it can be difficult to record its prevalence and helps to keep the issue under wraps.

All domestic violence related court cases are held in camera so we don’t hear what happens at court and consequently there is little accountability. And when a woman is murdered by her partner, domestic violence is rarely named in the reporting of a case even when there is a long history of violence. It is not linked to the wider issue of domestic abuse and the case is reported as a singular event.

It is worth noting for example that 30 per cent of women who experience domestic violence are physically assaulted for the first time during pregnancy. In any event asking for domestic violence to come out of the shadows helps all victims, male and female.

Minimal debate

All of these factors do help to cloak the issue in a veil of secrecy or silences what minimal debate there is. In effect, victims are doubly victimised – by an abuser and by a system that does not want to acknowledge their experience.

We haven’t, as a society, yet learned to maturely name domestic abuse and adequately deal with it.

Last week I heard from a woman who went to her local garda station on advice of her doctor. She has been abused by her partner for some time with the abuse steadily getting worse and more violent. Her doctor is fearful for her life. At the garda station she was told that they didn’t have the resources to deal with her and to wait until there was a more serious incident to come to talk to them. She asked them were they saying she had to go home and wait to be beaten up again for something to happen. She was effectively told yes, but they said they were sorry there was nothing they could do and that her case wouldn’t go anywhere in court without more evidence so she would be wasting her time.

I spoke to a local authority official about another case he had come into contact with at the housing placement desk. He said that he knew that sometimes women wanted to leave home because of domestic violence, but he couldn’t ask the question because it wasn’t on the forms.

Turned away

He said that there was one woman in particular he had dealt with that seemed edgy, upset and had bruises all over her. There was a suspicion something was amiss but no questions outside protocol were asked. Ultimately her application for housing was not successful because she didn’t have serious enough reason for housing – she already had a local authority house in her name with her partner. So she went home – possibly to a dangerous abuser.

The really awful thing is there is really nothing awful about the officials in question – they are doing their job in highly pressurised environment within the confining bureaucracy of their organisations.

But it is a flawed bureaucracy that is at best deeply ambivalent to women and children escaping domestic violence and at worst deeply obstructive.

Our societal structures are also not the only problem. We are all complicit and responsible in the hiding of the issue. When I tell people where I work I am now accustomed to the pregnant pause of awkwardness that ensues. ‘Oh, er, domestic violence?’ Eyes shift, heads bow, fingers fumble. ‘That must be… tough’.

There is nothing wrong with people’s discomfort either, however the unwillingness of people to ‘go there’ is part of the problem. The silence and unwillingness to tackle the issue allows abuse to continue with impunity along the lines of that that oft misquoted phrase – all it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing.

Not my business

Domestic abuse is a crime –  that’s one thing many people seem to forget in the ‘oh I don’t want to get involved’ and ‘there’s probably two of them in it’ kind of logic. The fact it takes place in the home doesn’t make it any less a crime, but it does make it harder to prove. The fact there are emotions, sometimes children, and family entanglements involved can also cloud and hamper the whole legal process – which can be a cold, mechanical place to find yourself at a time when your whole world is turning upside down.

Our silence and our own inability to talk about this issue fosters a culture that says domestic violence is not an issue at all. And so if it happens to a woman or becomes part of her experience, our societal norms tell her that she is the one with the problem and there is nowhere for her to go. Or worse – she tries to get help and her feeling of isolation is compounded by being actually told there is nothing that can be done and there is really nowhere for her to go.

Is this really the legacy we want for our generation? That we carried on with the same shameful silent tacit tolerance of abuse in the home in the same way previous generations accepted the Magdalene laundries and clerical abuse?

Michael Palin has a fantastic quote that is so apt for this country and how we deal – or don’t deal – with our shadows: ‘Torture is a dark area of human experience but if we are afraid to look into it we condone it.’

Paula McGovern is policy and communications officer with Sonas Housing. Sonas provides support housing and refuge to women and children homeless because of domestic violence. www.sonashousing.ie. To read more articles by Paula for TheJournal.ie click here. An international campaign called V-day One Billion Rising was launched this week on Valentine’s Day, demanding an end to violence against women. Events took place all over Ireland with a public flash mob dance happening in Dublin City Centre. Check out the Facebook page for more details.

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Comments (78 Comments)

  • The Spanish have changed the law in regard to domestic violence in recent years, now if the violence is witnessed by a member of the police force the perpetrator will find themselves arrested and taken to court regardless of whether the victim is prepared to testify or not.
    A change like this in Irish law would be very welcome.

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    • It already exists. It is the state that takes criminal cases via the DPP from evidence of the Gardaí, if a witness is uncooperative they are just that. The Judge will take the evidence of the Gardaí and rule accordingly.

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  • As a mother I have discussed this issue with my daughter . I have told her the first time a man she may get involved with lays his hand on her she should walk , no excuses , no apologies etc . All I can hope for is that she has taken our discussion on board .

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  • Very good article, Paula. My father beat my mother, me, my sister and probably my brother too. The old codger went to his grave without so much as an apology to my mother (at least as far as I know). Yet, I am under no illusion that this just affected my family. Domestic violence is a virus that affects the entire nation of Ireland.

    Domestic violence must be talked about. Institutions, be they the Government, the HSE, the police, housing authorities and so on must acknowledge the existence of domestic violence and its serious consequences. People with a high profile in Ireland, be they politicians, celebrities, business people and so on must break the ice and talk publicly about their experiences as a giver or receiver of domestic violence. The cocoon of stigma that surrounds it must be torn apart.

    As Paula says, we must look into the darkness, be that the human trafficking operations of the Industrial schools, the ophanages, the Magdalene laundries, the so-called care-givers of yesteryear as well as the darkness that continues to this day, the darkness of domestic violence which affects all homes regardless of socio-economic background.

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  • There should be mandatory jail time for a man or woman convicted of domestic violence.no excuses.

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    • 8 cowards beat their partner

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    • 13 faceless people beat their partner. If your going to red thumb leave a comment with your picture, have some integrity when your discussing domestic violence.

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    • Anger management and counselling should be part of rehabilitation.

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    • Meh 17/02/13 #

      Justin, both sexes can have moments of weakness and by your standards automatic criminalisation should solve the problem. Hmmm I don’t think the criminal justice system is of any use in this regard but for the most prevalent and extreme cases of domestic violence.

      Counselling , anger management and communication skills would have an overall reduction in the majority of cases of Domestic violence , because that is the root of the problem. Criminalising people for being weak or making bad judgements at the time of conflict or intense life pressure sounds like the type of mentality that the Madgdalene system thrived on.
      But throwing everyone in jail seems to be the solution because that would mean fathers and mothers who otherwise function quite normally would be seperated from their children for periods of time and we all know that’s a good thing.

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    • Prevention is better than punishment, but we are a society wracked with taboos, status quo bias and hatred of mature discourse. I mean FF at back at the top of the polls after their actions shifted the suicide rate from 150 in 2005 to 500 in 2009. We are just a nation in an altered state.

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  • Domestic violence has no gender!! We have women’s aid and shelters but there is nothing here in Ireland to support battered men!!! Human rights and equality for all!! Gender should not come into the equasion!!!

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  • It’s very difficult for the Garda. They can press charges only for the victim to drop them or they intervene in a domestic only for the female to turn on them when the break things up. Change the law so that once a charge is made it can’t be dropped or if violence is witnessed then a fixed sentence is put in place.

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  • I fail to see how an article about domestic violence against women is a feminist rant, or dismissing the cases of abuse against men. It is great to see that abuse against men is being spoken about more often. But I cannot understand the attacks on this article because it speaks about women. I come from an abusive home. My father beat and raped my mother. He didn’t beat the children, instead he used psychological and mental abuse towards us. He wasn’t charged after assaulted my six month pregnant mother, even when I could’ve been a witness. He then engaged in tactics that over time made me beLIEve that it was all my mothers fault. I could’ve easily been tricked into testifying against her – that is how cunning and manipulative he was/is. He spent three years text stalking my mother after she separated from him and the Gardai could do nothing. The advice she received was to leave the country. I know men can be as easily abused, but it would be comforting to know that my mothers and siblings safety, as of all those in a similar situation, would be taken seriously, and domestic abusers faced criminal charges and jail time, irrespective of gender.

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  • Of course its not just a ‘women’ thing. Look at how similar it is to what happened in christian brothers and all that continues to come out about priests. Or the recent scandals surrounding bankers and/or politicians. This is not about victima per se its about how we, as a society, allow such things to happen. Shocking things are happening all around us and for some reason we are not engaged with it. Take recent scandal over meat products… time is coming for us to stop trusting those that are supposedly representig us an start looking into, and standing up to all these things ourselves.

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  • Even more taboo is domestic violence against men; which does not need to be physical. Psychological violence is perhaps the least spoken about. Throw into the mix the lack of rights of men in this country with regards to access to their children when there is a dispute and you have another sorry state of affairs in our banana republic.

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    • It is my understanding that evidence and research in Ireland shows that domestic violence is perpetrated fairly equally between the genders but that men find it virtually impossible to report. The same research shows that while men principally use their superior size and strength through their fists that women more than adequately compensate by using the nearest available weapon such as knives pots or pans or even scissors.
      If this is true then there is a shocking and deliberate isolation of male victims that the Authorities and representative groups ignore for reasons that are nothing short of disgraceful.

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    • I’d love to see that data if you had a link to it, Richard.

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    • Hi shellymc, Here’s a report that was commissioned by the Department of Health and Children in 2002. http://www.lenus.ie/hse/bitstream/10147/46733/1/1789.pdf It takes a balanced approach looking at both male and female perpetrators and victims. in it’s conclusion it calls for “A more inclusive approach to domestic violence should not create competition between victims by minimising the experiences of men at the expense of women or vice versa. Although we have no firm evidence on the true prevalence of domestic violence in Ireland, at least not with respect to male victims and female perpetrators, it seems unlikely that it should be significantly different to other English-speaking developed countries such as the US, the UK, Canada or New Zealand. For this reason, it would be reasonable to proceed on the assumption that domestic violence against men is a significant problem and mutual violence is the main form in which domestic violence tends to occur. That is the basis for a more inclusive paradigm
      of domestic violence and the starting point for a more comprehensive approach to both prevention and the development of services for the victims and perpetrators of domestic violence.”

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    • Fantastic, thanks :) I really appreciate the commentary there as well — that we shouldn’t create competition between genders or use the existence of one type of violence to minimise another.

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    • Hi shellymc, Thats no prob, glad to help. It should be about working together to end violence regardless of gender.

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    • “Men use their superior status..” Huh?!

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    • Sorry u said size and strength.. Misread! Apologies

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    • Rebecca. your point is ….?

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    • There is a popular theory that there is just as much violence by women towards men as by men towards women; however, the figures for killings – enormously more women killed by men than men killed by women – suggest that this cannot be so.

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    • Meh 17/02/13 #

      @ Sinabhfuil
      There’s also 4 times more males committing suicide than females. By your logic are you implying that suicide is mostly a gender issue that really only affects men? Should we consider the female perspective in regards to suicide or do the facts bear it out that perhaps a more slanted campaign should be drawn up whereby suicide prevention advocates can write opinion pieces about how Suicide is only really a male issue and ignore or pay only the slightest of regard to the female suicide problem?

      Suicide is Suicide Problem not a gender issue
      Domestic Violence is a Domestic Violence problem not a gender issue

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  • @Karla, here in Australia we Anger Man and Counseling for men as well as women, a Perp.,of violence can be directed to counseling etc all you want, only works if he /she takes ownership of his or her actions, 2% victims r male remainder r female, 1 in 3 women r battered.

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  • I feel there is a strong correlation between alcohol consumption and domestic violence, both rates in Ireland are above national averages in developed countries. Issues such as this need more emphasis placed on them than the likes of Maths, the impact of domestic violence and alcohol consumption needs to be made clear to our youngsters so that they can bring about long lasting change for generations to come.

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    • ‘One commentator wondered what other abuses are going on right now that we are pretending to ourselves isn’t happening’.We live in a dog eat dog world where the rich corrupt politicians abuse the citizenry and are unaccountable to their electorate. Your telling people not to drink alcohol. Eat more horseburgers instead.

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  • Domestic violence is a serious issue and should be properly dealt with.

    That said, it makes my skin crawl to see people jumping on the magdalene bandwagon. Let the magdalenes have their day in the sun without trying to hijack their cause.

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    • My thoughts exactly, The laundries were run by nuns who did horrible things to other women yet the thrust of here article is the violence men perpetrate against women. Talk about twisting a situation to meet your own agenda. Shame.

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  • Oh ffs any article about women’s rights and we get a shower of men’s rights obsessives jumping all over it like they just hang around all day waiting to comment en masse. How many men have been killed by their partners in Ireland in the last 20 years and how many women? I’m not denying domestic violence against men happens but serious physical injury or death is much less common than it is against women. I thought this was an excellent article and It’s a pity it’s been hijacked by men’s rights whataboutery that does their cause no good whatsoever. Historically when different groups of people are trying to highlight injustice they have found it better to act in solidarity than sulk that other groups are getting all the attention, especially to the extent that half the time they come across as bigots themselves. How far would women’s rights have come if they had spent all their time moaning about how racism got all the attention when women were much worse off. Men’s rights activists should learn something from this as all those marginalized in society have a common interest in supporting each other to fight oppression.

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    • So your basic response to men who highlight a very real domestic violence issue is to basically tell them to shut up and to stop complaining and exaggerating things as they don’t really have it that bad? We’re all suddenly “men’s rights obsessives” after a single comment? That’s just the sort of patronising and dismissive attitude that women used to (rightly) complain about when they highlighted similar issues. Well done you.

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    • Well done you. That’s exactly the sort of patronising and dismissive response that women just to get when they reported instances of domestic violence.

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    • Gavin I don’t think that is what she is trying to say, as crude as it may seem what she is saying is right, the level of domestic abuse towards women is far higher than that of woman to men, and too many women in this country die at the hands of their husbands/partners.Violence towards Men is equally disgusting and is sadly even more of a taboo everywhere-hopefully the current Corrie story and Fair city’s highlight the issue of male domestic abuse and will make it easier for men who are in this terrible situation to speak out.

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    • Fleetingwhim

      I wrote one of the original posts by a male here. I had no hidden agendas. I am a member of no representative organisation. I am a normal Joe, married with kids. I am not a serial poster and do not lurk around forums.

      I wanted to make a point where not alone was the topic discussed taboo, but even more unspeakable in our great republic was men’s ability to speak up and be heard in similar circumstances because of social mores and legalities.

      I hate any form of domestic violence. This is not a them and us situation. However I find your comments only go to maintain the perceived status quo that domestic violence only applies to women. Read some of the other posts which quote research showing the incidence is probably 50/50. Maybe your issue is that you don’t accept these findings.

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    • There are few sounds more pleasurable to the discerning ear than the outraged spluttering and moaning of the howling misogynists who call themselves “men’s rights activists”.

      As Fleeting Whim notes above, pretty much any article dealing with violence against women or the oppression of women in any field brings them scurrying out from under their rocks, yelping and spluttering and shouting “what about the men”. So some might fear that the very predictability of this patter might eventually cause boredom to set in. That their entitled whining might lose its musical beauty. That their tears might lose their shimmering majesty. That their foaming at the mouth might lose its comedic charm. But fortunately, long experience has taught me that no matter how often woman-haters appear, no matter how repetitive their lies, no matter how otherwise boring their arguments, their cries retain their enchanting quality, and their tears retain the stark individual beauty of a snowflake.

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    • This mere uneducated mortal will need to put that through Google translator !

      Don’t know why I bothered to put up a post at all. Think I will just slither back into hidden Ireland……

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  • Maybe there was some ignorance on my behalf by not looking at this article to be more about victimisation of women as well as men. I guess i was more drawn to the broader angle that the author tried to address in the intro such as , ‘Whats wrong with society…that people allowed [such things] this to happen’, be it atrocities that happen to men, women or children. All those that are vulnerable and do not have loved ones to protect them need others to make a stand. I think.most of us now realise that the ones that were supposed to be supporting those most in need in society have made an absolute shambles of it. Were we naive to trust them from the beginning? More importantly what are you and i going to do about it now we know those we trusted with such things exploited them and us on every level. Its not only terribly challenging to think about how we take autnomy back and make a differene but, our whole culture needs to change so that we start to take responsibility and therefore accountability at individual level.

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  • While we have an economic social research centre we don’t have a pure social research centre like sfi.dk. I think conservative and corporate Ireland would not allow something that could upset their quests or spotlight the flaws in their arguments.

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  • Any figures on the even less reported incidences of female violence against male partners?

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    • It’s not a competition Gavin.

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    • Read an article on this recently, the level of Abuse in relationships was very similar, both in the high twentys but the level of reporting was very different. About one third of male on female incidents of domestic abuse are report while for female on male only 4% was reported.

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    • tom 16/02/13 #

      Still needs to be recognised.
      I don’t have figures but I don’t recall harsh sentences being passed on women who kill their partners in comparison to men.

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    • Not one comment about the face on the woman’s back……..

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    • Certainly not a competition and all such violence is to be condemned. I just thought it was ironic that an article purporting to lift the lid on the taboo of domestic violence and how aspects of it are not discussed ended up being an example of just that. For decades women rightly complained that domestic violence was not taken seriously and I think that has changed althought there is clearly a lot further to go. However, I think violence against men in the home is now where violence against women was a few decades ago – hugely under reported, stigmatised and with reports not taken seriously. The fact is that either gender can be the victim of domestic violence so I think articles like this do a disservice to the issue overall

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    • Violence against women is despicable but this column is even more despicable and typical feminist, one sided drivel. I will respond to the whole piece in due course as it needs to be shown up for what it is. A very important message hidden among feminist man hating claptrap.

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    • Meh 17/02/13 #

      Loads of red thumbs Niall –
      It seems that feminists don’t agree with your statement ” Violence against women is despicable but this column is even more despicable and typical feminist, one sided drivel.”

      Everyone knows DV is not a gender issue, it’s most often reciprocal , but there is an whole industry out there for victims, and like any industry it needs more market share to create more victims, Safe Ireland is a prime example of dealing with a human issue from only one side. It leaves out the fact that there are lots of other relationships that are not male/female where the level of violence and abuse is more endemic and less reported.
      The people who are looking for funding and donations such as sonas housing need to realise that most people recognise that it takes 2 to tango and yes you may need funding for your salaries if they are not already subvented by the HSE, but without the full picture you are sounding less authoritative on the subject than the everyday person who sees what is really going on outside of your DV industry perspective.

      Tired of the Journal allowing unchecked articles taken as gospel by vested interests, these articles tend to be sexist and unrepresentative or the majority of men in society today.

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  • Sexist article deliberately ignoring half of the problem, violence and mental torture and abuse perpetrated by women.

    Yes male abuse is terrible and should not be tolerated, equally female abuse should be treated the same.

    Deliberately ignoring it is tacid approval, the taboo on women has to be lifted, be it this abuse…the matriarchal nature of the laundries aswell (run by women, and the young girls forced there often by their mothers)

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    • magsR 17/02/13 #

      The author of this article works for sonas housing who look after female victims of domestic violence. Doubt there was any sexist intention there at all!! It’s a very well written article and clearly outlines the issues some women are facing.
      Of course there is the issue of domestic violence against men, no one is denying that, in fact it would be very refreshing for someone to write an article on that important issue instead of people griping on here!!

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    • The matriarchal nature of the laundries? The women and girls were sent there by men. The body that could have done something about that human trafficking operation at the time, our top law-making body, the Oireachtas, was pretty much entirely composed of men, as it remains so today.

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  • Such a well written article. It’s all so clear and yet it is such a shame Ireland can’t get their head around it.

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    • tom 16/02/13 #

      I find it gender baised and shamefully exploiting the magdalene women.
      But if its sits easier in your head by demonising men and seeing women as just victims then we all have a long way to go.

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  • Excellent article paula pity you dont talk about the other way round more men being beaten by their spouses and wont talk about it because they are ashamed sure arent they the stronger ones but maybe thats why they dont retaliate because they are men so they suffer in silence till they have to leave their kids behind i know through personal experience

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  • Just look at Tyrone.

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  • ref to horse meat was part of wider point that most of us in society are generally clueless to what is going on around us be it in laundries, domestic abuse cases or, even animal welfare issues… turning a blind eye to any of these is morally wrong yet weve been doing it for years. Everyone acts shocked when a new scandal emerges and looks for someone to blame but perhaps we need to look more closely at ourselves (not just those elected to represent us) and consider how engaged we are in contributing to a ‘just’ society. So no disrespect meant at all but thank you all the same for accussing me of being disrespectful for talking about issues i am passionate about and wanted to contribute to. Perhap next time you should employ some diplomacy tactics rather than insults just because you have not understood someones point.

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  • While this article on DV sees it primarily as a female issue within the traditional family unit and has been pushed as a feminist issue by Woman’s Aid.

    In fact DV is an issue for men, young couples, youth gangs, same sex partners and even by children with Emotional & Behavioral problems towards their patents.

    Bottom line it we avoid DV because we have traditional notions of family. We should be looking at ‘care’ being central to Irish life.

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    • There’s something very wrong with our society when it’s turning out people (Male & Female) who go on to abuse their partners, education is required from both parents & schools in order to teach children the simple basics of living, how to treat people with resepect, show compassion towards others etc. There’s enough exposure to violence through movies, t.v., video games etc., yet there seems to be very little done to counter balance this exposure.

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  • Fair play to you for painting this as a men v women issue. Domestic abuse against men is even more of a taboo subject and yet you don’t once mention it in your article. People lose interest when they see you have an agenda.

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  • Good article!
    Needs a lot more exposure. We refused to believe any bad about the church in the past; we still continue to protect men against exposure now; it’s time for that to change, the Irish male psyche is psychopathic!

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  • it most take a special big brave boy to beat up a girl.

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  • A cursory glance at this Wiki would have revealed that the arguments in favor of classifying gender based violence (domestic/intimate) in which one gender is shown to experience it differently from the other is a moot point. Clearly the majority of comments related to this article miss the point all together (of the article and the subsequent comments).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_against_men

    Violence, whether domestic or intimate is ALWAYS a gender ‘issue’; identifying in what way is the challenge, is it not? Then we might be able to respond more effectively to it. Not surprisingly, the contributions from many Journal patrons displays an absence of many things… not least clarity, understanding and consideration.

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  • even today DE nun s will never say sorry wear everyone else has compromised as a child dear wear DE cruelest of Dem all every convent had its kickers over 10 wear hand picked to carry out DE abuse on all age children things wear beaten into you it did not matter to them some of them even enjoyed it i know i was dear even when they wear caught out by overwhelming fact s de say it only hearsay their will never be closer on till they say dear wear wrong even doe i won my case against Dem de still deny de truth i would love to hear them say it once sorry be in always safe xxx

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  • I am frankly appalled and disappointed by all the men vs. women commentary I read above. The author has a vested interest into female victims and it’s plain obvious by the lack of reference about male victims which is taboo in a still to machist society.

    Unfortunately seeing domestic violence as a gender issue and not as a disgraceful vertigo of the human psyche that has no gender nor age, and affects equally men, women, children, same sex couples, and the elderly, will fail to find the required support for the holistic and organic introspection of the society as a whole, that is required to resolve or mitigate the problem with awareness, counseling and reporting.

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  • @Patricia Ann McCarthy Moore I am not telling people to abstain from drinking alcohol completely. I merely stated that I believe more emphasis needs to be placed on domestic violence and the impact alcohol can have, there is a clear correlation between the two. I believe the best way to do this is by placing more emphasis on the subject during the foundations of our childrens’ education. It is clear that this is of far more relevance to our daily lives than subjects such as Maths. I fail to see what relevance “horse burgers” has to this sensitive and important issue, please show some decency, and respect.

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