SF & Independents should be given a chance.

Here’s why:

- SF are more connected to local issues than any of the mainstream parties (FG / FF / LAB)
- SF oppose property tax and will likely abolish them if elected to power in 2016
- SF are the only party to pledge REAL cuts to ministers pay, expenses, etc
- For the middle class, SF would be a credible alternative.
- Keep in touch with your local SF TD/Councillor

Well I wouldn’t be opposed to that Mark, we haven’t had a left-leaning government in power since the creation of the State. Centre or centre/right is all we’ve known, so I wouldn’t mind seeing the others get a chance. If they make a balls of it, fine. The people will decide on that. What I find most encouraging about this poll is that less than half the people were prepared to vote for either Fianna Fail or Fine Gael.

@Mark Dalt
1. More connected with local issues? That’s the problem with Irish politics. You elect TDs to legislate and hold the Government to account, not to get perks for their constituencies.
2.Oppose a property tax? But in favour of a wealth tax? What is a wealth tax? A property tax is a tax on wealth.
3.Real cuts to ministers pay and expenses etc? A drop in the ocean of our budget deficit. What other cuts would they propose as well?
4 A credible alternative? you haven’t set that out. So your argument is circular: SF are a better alternative because they are a credible alternative. This argument makes no sense.
5.Keep in touch with your local SF TD/Councillor? Not a reason.

And don’t even get me started on FF

A centralized government is unaccountable to people.
A decentralized government is more progressive and people-friendly because it listens and works for local issues. A centralized government tends to abuse its power by unelected policymakers who have to justify their existence.
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A property tax fails to distinguish between wealthy people and middle class people because the vast majority of households are middle class people on incomes between €10k-€80k gross. Also, Ireland does NOT need a property tax: it is a regressive tax on a family home. Taxing property equates to penalizing the people who spend into our local economy. Instead, we should be cutting our spending and no need for a property tax. Let’s encourage the wealthy 10 per cent to pay their fair share of taxes. THEN, let’s talk about cutting social spending.
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You cannot legislate for every damn thing – we must stop this nanny state mentality of “legislation is the cure”. We should start becoming a liberal country for a change.

For example:
- Abolish the RSA and simplify getting a drivers license for younger people
- Enable people choose their prospective profession without overt-regulations or ‘legislation’
- Change our constitution to enable retrospective measures on core issues of national interest
- Abolish the requirement for ‘state approved’ suppliers or ‘state approved’ services (this reduces costs)
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Ask the Irish people how they feel about their future in EMU by holding a referendum and commencing a debate on Europe and whether Ireland is better off in/out of either/both. A democratic say is required in any case regardless. Iceland is flourishing right now.

Remind me, it’s how many years to the next election?

Justin how long is a piece of string?

@justin, a year and a half I think

This government will run close to it’s full term if only because the best chance they have is to stay in long enough to hope that things will be improving & that people will have short memories.
While I agree that politicians, especially some of the ones we vote for, are not the brightest, one thing they do have is a well developed sense of self preservation & there is no way that FG/Lab will commit hari kiri one day sooner than they have to. The flakier elements of Lab have gone and Willie Penrose is back in from the cold.
With politics it is very hard to see what is going to happen more than a week from now, but as things stand the coalition will tough it out remembering the old saying, “We had better hang together or we will surely hang seperately”.

What could be an idea is if all the “left wing” independent TD’S came together with other left wing party’s such as sinn fein and labour to have a totally left wing government…. that could be a fairer government

The thing that stops Sinn Fein being a reasonable alternative for the middle classes is that they are either murderous thugs or else half wit cretins, of course excluding Marie-Louisa formerly of Rathgar.

ECB also told FF to piss off (Trichet letters)

What’s the plan @Mark, semtex or armalite, that might just piss them off completely.

When a government doesn’t listen to their voters, it will lose….

Keep dreaming, Ryan. You show me a party in power and I’ll show you a drop in support between Election Day and the mid-term. Bearing in mind that they have front loaded the tough decisions I’d say FG are happy enough with their standing.

ff in the boom years if it is down it will only be slightly and show a jump back up where they seen a mistake and corrected it..anytime fg have got into power it is short lived 2nd choice next government is ff/sf if you want a one way ticket when this happens il offer to pay(one less fg follower spreading propaganda)

@eric- this isn’t “anytime”, these are extraordinary times. And thanks for your kind offer to pay for my trip but I’d rather not be caught in possession of Northern Bank notes. Launder them somewhere else.

@vincentyou said ” show me a party in power and I’ll show you a drop in support between Election Day and the mid-term”
i even helped you by giving you a choice from around 8yrs and your best answer was a cowardly libel remark.you obviously are a fan of accusing someone of criminal activity to defame their character but in reality if you did meet anyone of such criminal background i am sure you would not have the balls to say it to them more worm your way like a little childish pup.
slander is always used by you when the facts are put to you and your comments ripped to shreads

@eric- I’ll be honest with you, your English was that bad that I couldn’t understand what you were saying.

haha,god its easy to wipe the floor with you..your my new play toy, im going to enjoy this

This is the reason why sf are gaining support because all FG and labour supports/ministers are throwing shit at sf and the people of Ireland are starting to see through it people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones

fg are living b@stards. that’s why their support is dripping away.

Shocking that 1 in 5 still support FF

Very few have mentioned abortion as a possible reason for Fine Gael’s poll drop.

The age group most in decline for Fine Gael is 55+

Fianna Fáil gained a lot of this vote, just by keeping quiet on the issue or expressing their “concerns” about new legislation.

@david,fg just useless as history has shown,sooner ff/sf get in the better

Does my English help? Vincent you are a total bell end : )

@keith- yes, your English is perfect thanks. And it shows you to be pretty common. Kudos to you, so.

Vincent. Your childish insults are pathetic, tiresome, and profoundly pompous. I don’t need to spell out what that says for your character as a person as the thumbs say it all (a reflection to FG).

I will have a smile on my face Vincent, when I revoke my FG vote. And you can keep your LYING, Europe loving, bondholder paying, no bank deal, promissery note continuity FF party to yourself.

Enjoy reading the sunday papers especially the fourth consecutive decrease for fine gael in the polls. Good day :)

Slippp slidding awawwyyyy

@ryan- unfortunately revoke means to take back- and you can’t take back a vote already cast. Hope you don’t feel dirty over the next three years as the Government uses your mandate to continue on its current path. As for your next vote, it’s probably for the best. You & FG aren’t a match really. Ordinarily when breaking up I’d say: it’s not you, it’s me. But in this case? It’s you.

I do not think that the abortion issue is the reason for the drop for F.G. It is all the lies that they spout and the fact that Kenny along with most of the ministers do not interact with the people of Ireland

I can’t believe Fine Gael’s not getting your vote. Unions are such a positive force in Irish life.

Vincent- FG end is coming down the tracks, they’ll get a bigger kicking than FF and will have to join them or die.

No poll has yet predicted FG losing as many vote as Fianna Fáil did in 2011.

Between 2007 and 2011, 24% of the electorate moved away from Fianna Fáil.
Between 2011 and today’s poll, only 8% have moved from Fine Gael.

@Nuala- Gerry Adams. Martin McGuinness. Dessie Ellis. Need I go on? Not associated with the Provo’s….please.

They’re the old-school you’re referring to Vincent.. Mary Lou McDonald, Pearse Doherty and the likes are the new face of Sinn Fein, articulate, sensible and not fair game for slander.. You are running out of ammo Vincent..

Adams & McGuinness are not to be so easily dismissed as old Sinn Fein. They are it’s leadership, it’s very heart & soul.
As for new Sinn Fein, would that include Mary McArdle a convicted killer appointed as a “special advisor” to a Sinn Fein minister in Stormont? Not as cuddly a figure as Mary Lou I think!!

Justin its getting tiresome, this constant sniping.. be you FF or FG, do you not think it might be time for a wee bit of change? just to see how it looks?

Wasn’t Mary Lou originally in FF?

I’ve said this many times, and I’ll probably be preaching this message for years to come: get involved in politics – join a party and put forward/debate policy, or set up your own one. The best way to make sure that you’ll continue to pay the price is by never taking responsibility.

why does ming cause the independants reputational damage?

Fiachra,

My partner recently left FF because they didn’t listen to any of her proposals regarding taxation (we are a middle class couple and oppose FF’s policy of introducing a property tax). Sinn Fein oppose a property tax. Our local FF politician didn’t seem to understand our concerns and in his reply, he cited irrelevant stuff about “other countries” – this is Ireland. We don’t need to copy what “other countries” do. We are different.

The solution is simple: Abolish property tax in the next election or risk being kept out of office.

If you keep taking money off people that can’t afford it your hardly going to get voted back in, but does it really matter their all the same. Germany owns us anyway

Jay, the past four opinion polls have proven decrease for FG. It may be changing for other parties but not FG, down yet again! Very very worrying I’d say.

An awful lot more I guarantee!!

That’s a joke right? Angela Merkel looks better, Jesus Enda looks better!!

Perhaps we could clone Ming?

maybe, or red C could start sussing out in more detail why people are choosing independent. might be a new ming or wallace party in it or not.

@Vincent………. lol excellent!

To be sure,to be sure! Where’s he gone?Was it taken down?

What have you against the Poles? Or hugs from prostitutes from that matter?

This person hates Polish people and prostitutes! Anyone with a name beginning with ‘P’ be weary!

a nun who doesn’t like poles and cuddles off hookers…omg…what next?

Lol Robin these Sinn Fein-IRA people are absolutely delusional. They claim most people in the South support Sinn Fein-IRA or are going to support them in the next election. Why has there not been a Sinn Fein government, president, or Taoiseach then? Sinn Fein are the most sectarian political party on this island. There’s no doubt that FF, FG, and Labour are corrupt to the core but no one wants terrorists running the government. If Sinn Fein were in power Ireland would be in default on its loans. The people who keep saying that the British state were behind the Dublin/Monaghan bombings are just people who admire people like Dolores Price. The British don’t even want NI to begin with.

Lol these people are absolute morons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwZkvLuBk-g

Though in fairness he didn’t post the same message twice.

There’s an added comma there. Not sure it adds to the post’s message though.

George, you have a unique talent. Everything you write is as equally harmful on the eyes as it is the brain. Very few people have the power to do that. Congratulations.

is that you wee willie?

C’mon Cliftonville!!

George do you recall the Hep C Scandal and Noonans disgraceful role in that. His threats to the late Bridget McCole? And do you remember the shabby treatment by Noonan and Howlin of the other women and their families at that time?
You might also recall that those same people who are in power now were in office in 1996, during a period of ramptant criminality Veronica Guirin was murdered.
Now again crime has skyrocketed with elderly people being attacked in their own homes.
Also you seem to forget those who have lost their lives as a consequence of policies implemented by this FG/Lab Govt. not least the two people who died of hypothermia in Dublin recently.
There is hardly a political party any where who do not have blood on their hands. And certainly not FG,FF or Lab.

With over €80billion at stake I’d take Gerry Adams to a negotiation over Kenny & Noonan any day.

Have you seen SF policy’s in Northern Ireland, they are all for cutting spending, (welfare cuts) and whatever tax they can use to get revenue.

Have you seen SF policy’s in Northern Ireland, they are all for cutting spending, (welfare cuts) and whatever tax they can use to get revenue.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/sam-smyth-sfs-policy-is-hypocrisy-on-both-sides-of-border-3107921.html

A reason why people should not vote for them, liars and scam artists

Sean, northern Irelands budget is decided in westminister, and the assembly up north are strictly forbidden in raising any extra revenue through additional taxation. So the austerity of the Cameron government is also imposed on the 6 counties.

Eric
Its “Ticofaidh not “Thiocfaidh” lol

Clumsy thumbs

@Justin: It’s ‘Tiocfaidh’.

FFG supported and colluded in the cover up of mass murder in the 1970’s. The collusion has carried on to this day, supported by every FFG sitting TD who refuse to support official investigations into the single biggest atrocity of the troubles. FFG are terrorist supporters, i just can’t believe they have duped the country into believing their lies, when it comes to supporting terrorism.

Oh yeah, i forgot to add … Cue the red thumbs :D

Cal..you’re spot on, but include omagh too.

Most Journal readers couldn’t give a damn though.

Sounds just a little paranoid Cal.

Cal is not paranoid…the fact is that the british army bombed dublin and monaghan, they also planned omagh and got patsies to carry out that bombing for them…

while all the while Irish civil servants and politicians with british sympathies aided and abetted them.

@Cal1- do you live on a Grassy Knoll, by any chance?

Did you get your history from George Orwell? Your regular comments here explain why SF will never gain sufficient support to be involved in government.

You are aware that Brendan Hughes’ Boston tapes interviews were widely available BEFORE Adams topped the poll in Louth, yes?

Water charges – won’t be long…
Bills for the Household Tax won’t be long…
More levies and lies from a despicable government won’t be long…

Seamus, the best form of defense is attack… God love the FFGer’s, imagine what an insult it must be to their dignity, to see some voters moving to SF, away from the FFG spin, lies and propaganda. Denis O’Brien’s rags are going to have a lot of crap to write over the next few days to try and put some sort of positive message on this.

@seamus- West Belfast’s Gerry Adams topped the poll in Louth because Fine Gael were too busy bringing home two TD’s and Labour a third.

Brilliant. Such begrudgery makes SF victories all the more sweeter.

@seamus- if thats SF’s definition of victory there’s something wrong. Though it does explain how the 6 counties remain in the UK, I suppose.

Hey Seamus, what other SF “victories” have you celebrated?

Biggins,
You forgot to mention:
Won’t be long before re-mortgaging our children’s future for the next 40 years and calling it a “break-through deal”.

Vincent, Genuinely, i believe the story here, is that the Irish electorate voted FFG/Labour in on certain promises, and they feel they have nowhere to turn, now that the mask and lies lay bare for everyone to see. The electorate realize the emperor has no clothes, but his party faithful keep attacking the messengers, rather than the message.
Kenny and Gilmore brought this on themselves. There is a need for a new right wing party, that will deliver on commitments made to the electorate at election times. Otherwise, your right wing Utopia is gone forever. The Irish are moving more and more towards SF as a direct result of the screw ups of FFG/FF/Labour.

Yes, Sinn Féin the party of the protest vote, nobody would ever vote them into government, well apart from the people who have already voted them into government in the north. But apart from them…

@seamus- we have a Democracy down here. They have a power sharing executive up there. It’s a totally different scenario up there than down here. The only similarity is that SF are signing off austerity measures in the North much like our Government is in the South. And there’s a household charge on both sides of the border, of course.

The problem is that elections are all about empty promises – if any party goes for election and is honest enough to say the country is a mess and they’re going to have to make tough decisions they won’t get in because the public will believe what they want to hear e.g. like the ridiculous promises that SF made in the last election. if Sinn Fein got into government and delivered on all of the things they promised this country would be 20 feet under water by now

Cal1- the average Fine Gael voter doesn’t feel betrayed. The FG voter expected belt tightening, cutbacks , tough times and slow but steady improvement overall. And they’ve got that. And the core promise around income tax has been kept. Labour voters, yes feel let down but the country returned twice as many FG TD’s as Labour so this Government was never going to deliver what they wanted. That’s Democracy for you. But as I’ve said before, come election time Labour will play the old PD “put us in the keep them honest” card and will do better than expected. If you compare FG & Labours fortunes to the Tory/Lib Dem coalition they’re doing relatively well.

If SF got into power id live off the money tree they would plant for me in my garden to which they will cut for me on the street where i pay no bins hahaha

What patronising drivel. Sinn Féin was the only party in the north that saw its percentage of the vote go up at the last Assembly election and that was after 4 years in government. Sinn Féin is a party that can be trusted in power. Democracy in the 26 Counties, paying unsecured bondholders while cutting child benefit…

@jay- you’d want to be careful using the money leaves from that tree. Issued by the Northern Bank, apparently. Some places won’t accept them for some reason.

Lies Vincent. There has been no “steady improvement” and no reform. They’ve proven themselves as adept at feathering their own nests as the other lot.

Wont cant we pay off the bondholders wit some northern rock sterling haha

@vincent,you really love your propaganda dont you,time after time you are3 told that the house tax in the north of ireland and uk are collected from every house regardless but in return they all get free medical/refuse collection etc..our house tax just pays banks and monster pensions.
i see from your comments on here your basic understanding of how a country is supposed to be run are very limited to the point i hope someone else looks after your finances or else you must be living in a box getting free wifi from the local mcdonalds

i can see sinn fein getting into power in the forseable future. i wouldnt write them off.

If you’re going to try and be a smart arse about a political party being involved in a bank robber because you have no real political insight, at least get the name of the bank right. It’s Northern Bank, not Northern Rock.

No use the promissory notes you tit !!

Awwww poor Vincent. Tiocfaidh ár lá mo chara

The only alternative to Sinn Féin in the North is the SDLP, and pretty much everyone agrees that they’re going nowhere. Voter apathy in the North is at an all time high, with a turnout of only 54% in the 2011 Assembly Election.

@seamus- I think I covered the whole : politics in the North is different to the South bit, no? Should I use sock puppets to explain it for you? The long & the short of it is that if Sinn Fein couldn’t make a meaningful breakthrough at the last election, they never will. Fianna Fáil were obliterated, the country was in a shambles, FG had an unpopular leader- that was their time. And they failed abjectly. SF remains an irrelevance in the South. Nobody will get into bed with them, they’re just there to make noise and give out about things. There’s no route to Government buildings for them. A vote for SF is a wasted vote. Fianna Fáil will claw back it’s support from them and the usage of ink cartridges in Dáil Éireann will return to pre-2010 levels.

@eric- thanks. I’m touched by your concern. Very kind of you to worry about my welfare.

vincent i think it is you who needs it explained to you but i am unsure that
1.it could be done in a life time
2.you would even grasp the basics
3.i dont think anyone could be in the same room as you for longer than 5min

@censored- why is it that the rest of the developed world sees a steady improvement in Ireland’s status and you don’t? Do I need to go into the plethora of economic indicators that definitively prove you’re wrong, that we are better off than two years ago? You see I think you misunderstand. When I say things are “improving”, you hear me saying “everything’s great”. Because you demand the magic wand / quick fix solution. I hope someone finds it, I really do. In the meantime I choose to recognise progress along the hard path.

@chris- when? What could possibly happen that hasn’t already happened that could elevate SF to power? With the exception of a war. We’d need to know where all those bunkers are if there was a war. I’ll grant you that. Or if there was a global shortage of ink cartridges.

@fiachra- I’m pretty sure I heard about some DUP party? And an Alliance Party? And a UUP party, no? None would get my vote but they exist, no?

@vincent,its the hard path alri but its also the most unhelpful to the economy,we are not going along steady in any way we are still going further and further down hill this is reflected by the constant drop in property/increase in people unable to meet loans/rise in cost of living/live register growing weekly need i keep going…

@eric- you cut me deep.

Claims Sinn Féin are “an irrelevance” on a story about Sinn Féin gaining more support. Too. Much. Irony.

Vincent, ah… do you expect nationalists to vote for the DUP/UUP? And the Alliance Party’s constituency is basically upper middle class liberal unionists, with a dash of upper middle class liberal nationalists on the side.

vincent
your government have failed miserably,
whats this i hear on the other thread possibly another bailout, no deal on the promissory note, poverty unemployment and emigration at record levels.
i have listened to your drivel for months and everything you have said has been wrong
again i ask you
take off the blue shirt before you and your likes support your inept government into destroying this country

@eric- no need to keep going but if you could throw something in that was true, that would be great.

@seamus- the green puppet will be the excited SF member, the blue puppet will be the voter who says in a poll two years in that he will vote SF and the puts a big dirty X beside a different party entirely at election time. In sure I covered that earlier. It’s a bit like people who say they’re going to vote for the Monster Raving Loony party in the UK or put “Jedi” down as their religion in a census.

@fiachra- I merely pointed out that there are other parties. If nationalists choose not to, that’s their prerogative , of course.

@frank- you’re getting very grumpy this weather. Think happy thoughts

@Vincent: so far so good, said the man as he fell past the 52nd floor.

You know well that none of the root causes of this crisis have been tackled. We are being praised by foreigners desperate to prove that their insane austerity policies can work.

I’ll call it a “steady improvement” when I see a plan that will ultimately result in a better life for the majority of Irish people, even if there is some pain along the way. That’s not what FG is delivering.

@vincent for someone who spends most of his day commenting on here on every political story do you read any of them??if not where is your information to prove me wrong(anything connected to fg is not usable due to the lies already told by fg)
i presume your next comment is going to try defame me rather than answer which leaves it that you are wrong

In your dreams cal!

By the way, I’m not eager to see SF in power but I can see that day coming. They are certainly no worse than the rest – and I’d argue they probably have more guts/integrity. The NI peace process didn’t just fall out of the sky, it took some courage to make that happen. I realize SF/IRA have been involved in many atrocities, but that’s the heritage of ALL political parties on this island and many of those in other countries. I’m glad to see them make their case using the democratic process, and can’t see why so many of you have a problem with that.

That said, I’d like to see an alternative political party rise out of this fiasco. Thought it might have happened by now, but I’m still hoping. A party that actually represented the citizens of Ireland, hopefully not stuffed with innumerate refugees from the 1970s. Call it the tax payers party :D

Vincent you know right well ( or at least you should know ) that people always under-declare support for Sinn Fein when being polled directly. Some people are still a little bit embarrassed or ashamed to admit they vote Sinn Fein ( and part of the reason for that is the demonising of the party that yourself and others like to partake in ), but those people have no such qualms when it comes to the privacy of a polling booth. I get the impression that you are grasping at straws..

@censored- to borrowed your analogy, we’ve stopped falling. That’s something in of itself, surely? Could we be climbing back up faster? Of course.

@eric- you haven’t said anything to contradict. It’s hard to counter rambling.

Too right Vincent.

@vincent,on two comment threads i have blown your un supported rants on both you had to resort to childish abuse because you were proven wrong..i love catching people like you out and exposing your propaganda lies.
if you have not got facts to back yourself up keep your fingers in your pants

sinn fein probably best summed up by passing a motion at their 2011 ard fheis congratulating siptu’s fair hotels campaign and urging people to back union shops, then holding their border conference in a hotel that isnt part of the fair hotels campaign.they are no different to ff fg labour the greens whoever else there is.working peoples party my rear end.

@censored- we’ll have to agree to disagree re: a comparison between SF and any of the other parties. You’re probably right about a need for a new party. The amount of independents illustrate that there’s an electorate there for one. It’s a pity FF didn’t disband. The vacuum could have cleared the way for a new mainstream centrist party without their baggage. And the Government needs a competent opposition with moral authority. That doesn’t exist at the moment. The country also needs a different option for a coalition should FG & Labour fall out.

@Jamie- then why did SF not match the polls from 12 months earlier at the last election?

@eric- are you 5?

How many times do u have to be told that Sinn Fein nor anyone in the democratically elected assembly in north of Ireland has NO fiscal powers what so ever. They are allocated a budget from London on a make do basis. Can this please penetrate ur thick bias skull for once and all.

@vincent,for your sake i would hop i am not 5 if i was you just got whopped by a child..you still have not answered any of my comments bar to lower the tone of the otherwise fruitful debate

Vincent, I’m a FG voter and yes I expected a bit of ‘belt tightning’, however I didn’t expect to be strangled with the damn thing. There is not one party at this moment in time that I would vote for. None of them are worth my vote.

Party of protest ….. History lesson …… F/g the largest opposition party for over 10 or more years failed to get rid of the ff government because they were so bad … Eventually f/f imploded and as a “protest” were voted in , if you think for one minute f/g got in because they were so good in opposition your a fool …. And as in opposition there true colours are showing for all to see as a bunch of “b” team politicians …..

vincent i can’t,
were in trouble
and were sinking fast

@john
your intelligence just bowled me over

Nice work Seamus, totally agree with ya : (

Ha ha ha ha. Holy shit, how ridiculously silly is that comment

@darren- actually for ten years Fianna Fáil were buying elections with what has proven to be one big massive Ponzi scheme- but hey, lets not let the truth get in the way of a good rant, eh?

@keith- just had a look at your profile there. I just stunned that you’re an Irish Sun reader. Who’d have thought, eh? An intellectual colossus like you?

How very dare you

So ? We are already under 20 ft of water what’s your point or are these just things one says at election time

Government was never going to deliver what it promised that’s democracy for you Lol correction that is telling the voters bare faced lies !

Vincent you sound like Enda pathetic put downs that the people can see through

@Noel- should I try the populist rhetoric you spout instead?

you are not a normal person…

Time to move forward paddy, stop dwelling on the past…. good lad.

Lol Sinn Fein represent the past and constantly dwell on it when it doesn’t conveniently involve their own past.

Lol

they would be better at negotiating than the blueshirts and the lefties.

Very easy to negotiate with a gun in your hand

Which dark days are they learn your history I have pictures of young Fine Gael marching through Charleville in cork in military unison all giving Natzi salutes in league with a man that gassed and burned millions
Fianna Fáil took power with the bomb and the bullet there life long slogan the Republican Party

Free medical,refuse etc up north so can’t be comparable…fg propaganda not worth a breath

Free medical,refuse etc can’t be comparable to here,fg propaganda or someone who knows little of politics in the south and nothing of that in the north

Westminster imposed a property tax on the six counties – Not Sinn Fein.

Mark he probably thinks Westminster is a pub

you must feel welcome here…it’s full of west brits

Come on cliftonville, Tiocfaidh ár lá

Would be fantastic , finally a bunch of people who ain’t in it for the money or their eu status cuz we all know Enda just kiss eu ass , but in it for the Irish people! Joining SF you know you get an average industrial wage therefor these politicians are passionate about politics and take it as an honour to be elected to represent the people, not as a way to pay themselves lavish amount of tax payers money and while their at it let get allowances and expense just to make sure we only spend our salaries on the up keep of our extravagant lifestyles